YTSEJAM Digest 3422
Today's Topics:
1) KevMo vs. The Blonde Bimbo
by "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
2) Re: You Not Me, live
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Kevin Moore versus... Mike Portnoy?
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3421
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
5) The return of BV et al...
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3421
by John Sansone <inanna@globalserve.net>
7) Radio and prog
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3418
by "ProMark707" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com>
9) You Not Me
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Jaxx ho
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Berklee Alums, KM lyrics
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
12) Derek Sherinian
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
13) Xmas CD '97 (No Spoilers)
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
14) silly
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
15) preference
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
16) hahah :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
17) Derek's sounds and playing
by Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:33:34 -0700
From: "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: KevMo vs. The Blonde Bimbo
Message-ID: <01bd1bdd$d1493480$7fe21ace@korgx3>
Well, I've seen this debate going on since someone posted about Derek's
first DT gig where he'd spent 2 weeks learning the material and flubbed some
of the samples (playing hold on, wait a minute... during the intro to 6:00).
To any of you who complain about KevMo being better than DS, you're not
thinking in relative terms. One man's horse is another man's dinner. You
must remember one thing, Kevmo quit of his own accord, the band didn't fire
him. The band enlisted Jordan Rudess first who was in for a very short
amount of time and then picked up Derek who at the time had long hair and
was made fun of by Mike for being Mr. Arena Rock, so Derek showed his
enthusiasm by lopping the bangs and not wearing large hoop earings and tight
leather pants. (At least I HOPE he quit doing that.) heheh. Anyway, image
has nothing to do with it...
Derek has a different style than Kevin, that is obvious. But Derek wasn't
picked because of his playing style, he was picked for his skill. He was an
able player with experience in the music business and a college degree.
(From Berklee) I'm sure Derek wasn't the "perfect" replacement, and he
wasn't invited to join the band until halfway through the Waking Up the
World tour while on a ferry crossing the strait between Germany and Denmark
(forgive me if the geography is wrong).
Even though you might think I'm a Derek fan, I'm actually a Kevin Moore fan,
myself. I like the more classical moods of Kevin's playing, but it doesn't
give me an unfavorable impression of Derek, either. With Derek, I miss the
subtleties of the instrument. The mellow interludes, a la, The Mirror, and
the peaceful melodramatic phrasing a la Wait for Sleep will be sorely
missed. Yet, how can we not say whether Derek won't use them in the future?
Derek brought new vibe into the band, breathing new life into the old style
and melding it into a solid conglomeration of aggression and intensity, yet
solemnly placated it in places you wouldn't expect or notice without a
second listen. The choice selections of samples used in the right places
melt in your mouth like an M&M on a sunny day, moreso than Kevin's, IMO.
After all is said and done, remember the IMO's. This whole discussion is
completely based on relative information that is solely the descretion of
each author's interpretation of the music. Keep an open mind and don't
hastily make an angry retort against something you disbelieve in, because
the other person really doesn't care what you think. (No offense, we don't
really know you. :P )
I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, I need to practice my typing skills.
Washburn Ecksthrey
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:57:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: You Not Me, live
Message-ID: <199801080257.VAA23996@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: "Russell Joseph" <RussellJ@bah.com>
> Subject: You Not Me
>
> I've seen a lot of people ragging about "You Not Me", how pop it is,
> the whole Desmond Child bitch-fest, etc... I was just wondering what
> people think about the live version. I saw them do it at the JAXX
> show and they really kicked it out. DT has done a pretty damn good
I have to agree here... while I don't believe YMN is the best of DT
songs, I still do like it, but it really kicked some ass live. It
somehow had a different sound to it... more ... uhh... hmm, more
something... but it was definatly very cool seeing it live...
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:14:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kevin Moore versus... Mike Portnoy?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980107190338.21802A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Hey all...
At this point, I don't give a rat's third buttock who's playing keys.
Both players do a good job (well, one *did* a good job, and one's doing a
good job...), and I enjoy them both.
HOWEVER...
I must admit that I miss Kevin Moore, for one reason alone -- lyrics.
Since Kevin left, Mike has taken up his slack. While he has a few clever
phrases turning around him, his skills aren't what Kevin's were (shrugs
and waves "hi" nervously to Mike).
I wonder if Derek writes lyrics... and if he does, what are they like? I
think that question is key to how the next album will turn out. With DT
getting some exposure (cover-out displays at Tower and Borders around
here, listening stations, radio play, etc.), the next effort (not counting
Metyropolis II -- although, we might have to...) will be key. Lyrically,
DT has "grown up" in the sense that their subjects are steeped in
experience rather than fancy. Some question the importance, but, as a
writer, I listen to the lyrics, read along on my first few listens, etc.
I think Mike will only get better as a lyricist. Really, he's making up
for lost time. Who knows how old those lyrics are? I mean, he wrote part
of a song for I&W, none for WDADU (except the
unreleased-until-a-ton-of-time-later ACOS, which coulda-woulda-shoulda
been on I&W), and one song on Awake. Now, he's got what, three or four
song credits on FII, and is suddenly thrown, practically "newborn and
naked" into the spotlight lyrically. He's just got to work on those
poeyrt muscles, methinks. And I think he will. He's DT's biggest fan
(how many of us have a boot of every show? ^_^), and as such can
appreciate DT from a fan's point of view. A unique situation.
Now I'm babbling. I'll stop.
There. I've stopped. ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:27:42 -0500
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3421
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980107222742.006a7dc4@postoffice.ptd.net>
At 06:27 PM 1/7/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Ehhhh, not YET. But I hope I can look forward to hearing it at my
>first DT
>>show.
>Well, if you're too impatient to wait to hear it live for the first
>time, get the MP3
>at http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ if ya want to.
Thanx, I'll be sure to check it out.
cArPe DiEm,
bRiAn
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:02:34 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The return of BV et al...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980107210234.007a72c0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>> 2) DT News of the week.
>> by "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
>> 5) Another Dang Jaxx Commentary
>> by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
>
>As Cartman would say: "Kick ass" :)
>
>You guys were severly missed...seriously
Damn, I hope that if I ever leave for a while and then come back to the
list, that a whole bunch of grown men will drop to their knees for me, too...
haha : )
Jon
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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 01:19:33 -0500
From: John Sansone <inanna@globalserve.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3421
Message-ID: <12CEFEF5.26CB@globalserve.net>
You can sit back and trash either keyboard player for what they aren't
or you can sit back enjoy who they are. Sure KM was one the most
important aspects of DT but he blows on the new Fates Warning album. DS
has an amazing sound that really adds new quality to DT, but I noticed
his keyboard had no patch chords or midi out when it came to Metropolis
at their show in Toronto. You cannot compare these to players, but you
can respect the fact that they are a true aspect of DT.
Now that being said, I would like to comment on the new album. It
rocks! It took me a little while to ajust but I can say that their is
one song on the album I can't enjoy. You have to respect a band that
can put out 5 albums that all rock and are all different. I'd like see
Metallica do that. People that say DT has sold out should take a look at
the real sell outs: Metallica, Queensryche and I Mother Earth and start
looking for a new sound like The Tea Party and Big Wreck.
Dream Theater did not sell out, Just wait until you hear Metropolis II!
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:06:44 +0000
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Radio and prog
Message-ID: <19980107191001.AAA24103@sni.pananet.com>
> The way I see this is that radio has always forcefed its listeners, even
> before the great video revolution. Look at the top 40 charts throughout
> rock history. Do you think ELP's tarkus will ever be appreciated on radio?
I dont think its a matter of 'forcing' listeners into anything. Its
simply that not as many ppl like prog....or most *radio listeners*
dont like prog. Radio only plays what their listeners want
to hear. Same with MTV.
Ern
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:20:27 -0600
From: "ProMark707" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3418
Message-ID: <000e01bd1bf5$22d89a40$0a70d9cd@default>
Speed Kings!?!?!?! YEA, those are the first pedals I ever played with, but
when mine broke (many moons ago), I couldn't find one that worked for me. I
also used DW 5000A with the Delta Upgrade but once I played the new Pearl's
I traded the DW's for them.
I play both heals down and up, but heals down only on softer stuff. Mostly
heals up.
Curtis "StickS" Toler
ProMark707@DigiScape.com
http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/sticks.htm
Mr. Slate's Web Site:
http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/default.htm
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:33:11 -0600
>From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
>i am probably going to show my age but i use ludwig speed kings
i can't imagine that anyone still plays with heel down or am =
>i wrong?
>
>mike
>homewks@sound.et
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:23:59 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980107222357.00695b18@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey,
Got a question fer ya'all. On the radio version of "You Not Me", is the
guitar solo lengthened or trimmed down? I heard it on the radio tonight,
and the solo section sounded quite different than on the album. Maybe I'm
imagining things, but maybe I'm not :) Thanks for any info.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:36:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jaxx ho
Message-ID: <199801080536.AAA09484@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> As a keyboard player of almost 20 years, I take both approaches. I like
> imitating sounds, I also like creating new sounds. Depends on what is
> called for. Nothing can ever replace an organ sound except an organ sound.
> I like to get pretty close for organs, pianos, guitars, basses, drums, and
> electric pianos. There are some sounds I like to have around, like classic
> moog sounds. If I were able to, though, I would definitely create my own.
> That is what gives a keyboardist his individuality.
Amen, brother. The reason I prefer Derek to Kevin is that Derek <while
still using the old standard B3, rhodes, etc.> creates sounds that look
forward and Kevin used sounds that look backward. Obviously a Rick
Wakeman influence and there's nothing wrong wit that, but I want to hear
something I HAVEN'T heard.
> >Lowlights: The freaky freaky woman who was rubbing her body against the men in
> >the front row in an attempt to make them submit to her charms and give up
> >their railing spaces.
>
> Man, I already mentioned her in MY post show review. Funny how everyone
> noticed...
> She's the one who fondled Steve Z...
>
> Leonard, Space Monkey, wrote:
> >Yeah, although I must admidt she was hot! I was in the second row on the
> >left of the stage and she asked me "can I have the honor of standing in
> >front of you" and I seriously thought about it, but held firm. She was
> >obviously using her "charms" (both of them) to try and work her way up to
> >James, and it was obvious the rest of us wouldn't have a chance. After a
> >while of sensuous gyrating behind me, she worked her way over to you guys.
>
> She wasn't that hot. Maybe you were drunk. Were you the Studious Boy Wonder
I don't know, Kevin. I thought she was pretty schweet when she was
fondling me. Of course, maybe it was because she was interested...and
drunk...and there. :)
The funniest part was afterward when she wanted James to sign her breasts
and James, the good married man that he is, opted to sign her hand
instead.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:49:16 PST
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Berklee Alums, KM lyrics
Message-ID: <19980108054918.4152.qmail@hotmail.com>
Derek graduated from Berklee, eh? So that makes JLB the only DT member
now who did not attend that fine institution.
This interests me, since next week, I will start my first semester as a
Berklee student. :-)
As far as Kevin's lyrics go, I must admit that almost all of my favorite
songs by DT, both lyrically and musically, are the ones that Kevin
wrote. The most notable exceptions are Metropolis(JP) and LSoaD.(JM)
But PMU, WfS, Lie, Surrounded, all of them just grab you by the heart
and take you along! That is the reason I like DT.
I just got FII today(finally!) and I must admit that it doesn't grab me
like the others did. Maybe it'll take some getting used to, but maybe
having Kevin gone has caused something to be missing. :-(
Hopefully, they'll get it back!
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
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Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:49:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek Sherinian
Message-ID: <19980108054900.11495.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com>
Hi Jammers!
Someone wrote about Derek Sherinian being too 'over
the top'. What does it mean? I've listened to FII
(see? I'm using acronyms too!) many times now, and
the thing that has me most impressed, is the fact
that I can't hear DS as much as I used to hear Kevin
Moore. At times, I even forget that he's in the
band!! I try to concentrate in the keyboards, but
after a while, the drums and the guitars fill the
sound, so I end up being swallowed by what I think,
is the part of DT that has more presence.
I joined the list a few weeks ago, so can anybody
tell me what other keyboard players DT considered for
the position? When I first heard of Kevin Moore
leaving the band, I had imagined Rick Wakeman's son,
Adam, to fill the spot. Adam is quite talented, but I
knew such a thing would have never happened!
Regards,
Bernardo
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:19:23 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Xmas CD '97 (No Spoilers)
Message-ID: <34B46FEB.4EDF@goodnet.com>
Hi all!!
To those of you who caught the Simpsons Christmas episode, remember
when they went to the old folks home and Jasper "couldn't feel nothin'
below his chin"? :) Well, the teeth are gone and the nitrous sure was
helpful and the painkillers they got me on now are fantastic. So I'm
expecting near-zero lost work time, given only that I can't drive while
I'm on this shit, I should get plenty done here at home.
This is an example of how awesome 1998 has already been to me so far: I
get home from the surgery, and the Xmas '97 CD is waiting for me in the
mailbox! Huge kudos to Neil, Denis, and Steffen!! And man, to a person
like me who screws with sound for a *living*, hearing the contents was a
real blast. I won't go into any further detail than that, to preserve
the surprise for others. I for one am QUITE content with the disc as it
is.
--
- Mike Bahr / Prism Records
- durnik @ goodnet . com
- http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:52:08 -0500
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: silly
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108015208.0068ae44@ee.net>
>don't, I don't. Fortunately, I enjoy every Dream
>Theatre song, so I don't have to skip.
you can call 'em ray, or you can call 'em jay, but ya
doesnt have ta call 'em Theatre :)
Im just being silly man...I don't flip out when people
spell it Theatre instead of Theater, it just amazes me
that there are so many fans that still "slip" on that.
buster
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:06:12 -0500
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: preference
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980108020612.00691b18@ee.net>
>Derek's sound (basically the sounds on Lines, and JLMB which I consider the
>epitome of Derek sound) so much like a guitar. I was curious as to what
>people on this list prefer.
I know this isnt much help, but I prefer to here it
however DT decides to play it. If I wanted something
else I would buy or listen to something else. I guess
I just have trouble finding fault with what those guys
come up with and the way they record it...but then again
I'm not looking for it.
buster
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:58:15 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hahah :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980108015814.006d2228@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 03:27 PM 1/7/98 -0800, you wrote:
>We'll come back next year with "Let's Hunt and Kill Kenny G."
>
"Oh my God!!! They killed Kenny!!!"
;)~
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:54:33 +0100
From: Peter <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek's sounds and playing
Message-ID: <34B4A258.79E2@speed.eik.bme.hu>
ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) wrote:
> I really like Dereks sound because its really unique.
Is it really? Buy a Trinity Plus and you get all of his patches.
It's there, he doesn't even edit the preset sounds. Want a guitar
sounding solo patch? Try "Monster Lead". Want New Millennium's
intro sound? Try "Anafuzz".
What I prefer in Kevin's playing that he created moods. I think
he really wrote and still writes songs from the heart, from
his soul. And I just can't feel it from Derek. He plays like
an ordinary rock keyboard player on his hammond.
Maybe the point's that I like Kev's classical influences
better than an Elton John fan's poppyjazzy whatever.
Anyway that's my opinion and maybe you don't agree but
I think that Kevin is the very man who has unique style.
Look at those Moorewannabe keyboard players in other
prog bands (eg. Shadow Gallery, Lemur Voice, etc).
They all use that analogue moogish sound for soloing
(like Kev's sound in Ytsejam, PMU, UAGM, LTL). And I believe
that Chromakey's "Dead Air for Radios" will be much better
than FII. In sensible lyrics and real emotions for sure!
"all my dreams were lost and found
set them up and knock'em down
she's gone two thousand years
I can't stand here waiting" (Kevin Moore: Shallow)
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