YTSEJAM Digest 3421
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fan club stuff
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
2) Re: WAAF's response to playing Prog-metal
by "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@cris.com>
3) Fasten Your Seatbelts
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
4) Re: keyboard thread
by "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@cris.com>
5) Drums Again
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
6) well, looks like I'll have to leave the list
by they cover you in flowers when they bury you <afn39111@afn.org>
7) KM vs DS
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
8) Re: DTIFC (fwd)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br>
9) fan club
by EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com>
10) Re: Poll results?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
11) DT comments from GEPR
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) coinkydink
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
13) Re: KM vs DS
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
14) Re: KM vs DS
by belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3419
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Skipping?
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
17) Re: To those of you who can't read...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:24:32 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fan club stuff
Message-ID: <34B3F290.2096DBED@sydey.net>
L. Jason Hartman wrote:
>
> My check hasn't been cashed either. I sent in my subscription renewal
> a couple months back. I sure hope that CD is gonna show up.
>
> A friend of mine received his yesterday but it was broken!! He said it
> wasn't shipped in a jewel case. It has a small crack just at the outside
> edge and as a result, it screws up the last track. He wanted to know
> what his odds were of getting a replacement. I mean, he didn't really
> pay for it ("It's free, asswipe!") but I don't think he deserves a
> broken CD.
>
> Any suggestions?
Since I got my CD on Tuesday, I have been waiting for someone to bitch
about the CD coming without a jewel case :) In my experiences jewel
cases
that are send in a normal envelope have a very good chance of arriving
in a 100 pieces. Mine came all the way here intact, the cardboard sleeve
seems to be a good idea, considering it is free and sending it in a
jewel
case would have been costlier postage wise.
My suggestion is to contact the president of the fan club from where
your friend got the CD from.
graham
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:48:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@cris.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: WAAF's response to playing Prog-metal
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980107164645.11836A-100000@viking.cris.com>
The way I see this is that radio has always forcefed its listeners, even
before the great video revolution. Look at the top 40 charts throughout
rock history. Do you think ELP's tarkus will ever be appreciated on radio?
What about ACOS? Forget longer pieces right off the bat, what about
Watcher of the Skies from Genesis, Siberian Catroo from Yes, or any
current prog from Enchant, Magellan or whatever. Radio has always dumbed
down america and abroad. MTV just carried it through to televission.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:57:44 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fasten Your Seatbelts
Message-ID: <113A23EBF1F6D011B8A90060971611D519CC06@BUDLITE>
Last Jam, Brian Larkin said:
>>Ehhhh, you haven't heard the "Fasten Your Seatbelts" version of The
>>Ytsejam.
>Ehhhh, not YET. But I hope I can look forward to hearing it at my
first DT
>show. And where did I write that I only follow(ed?) DT for Kevin
Moore? I
>just think he's a better keyboardist than DS . . . or rather, I prefer
his
>STYLE. I guess I just miss the warm, beautiful atmosphere his keys
gave to
>songs like AD and IF. FYI, I LOVE DS's work on ACOS (every second),
and
>there's still that atmosphere I mentioned in SOME FII songs (HK, ToT .
. .).
Well, if you're too impatient to wait to hear it live for the first
time, get the MP3
at http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ if ya want to.
Laters,
Bogie
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:14:34 -0500 (EST)
From: "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@cris.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: keyboard thread
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980107171313.11836G-100000@viking.cris.com>
As a keyboard player of almost 20 years, I take both approaches. I like
imitating sounds, I also like creating new sounds. Depends on what is
called for. Nothing can ever replace an organ sound except an organ sound.
I like to get pretty close for organs, pianos, guitars, basses, drums, and
electric pianos. There are some sounds I like to have around, like classic
moog sounds. If I were able to, though, I would definitely create my own.
That is what gives a keyboardist his individuality.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:21:41 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drums Again
Message-ID: <85256585.0052527F.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Drummers,
>>i can't imagine that anyone still plays with heel down or am =
i wrong?<<
I play heel down sometimes. It really matters how much volume I am trying
to get out of my kit, and how fast I am playing. It really helps me with
my dynamics. I think it is good to learn both styles. It is similar to
using traditional and matched grip. There is no right or wrong way, but
each technique has its own unique sound.
>>i am probably going to show my age but i use ludwig speed kings with =
tama double sided beaters.<<
I used to have a pair of speed king pedals. I sold them along with my
first kit back in 1988. I never should have sold that kit (60's Ludwig 7
piece kit with a Slingerland Radio King snare in a black oyster finish-same
finish as Ringo's kit) . I love my "new" kit even more, but I'll never be
able to get another set of vintage drums like that first kit.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:56:31 -0500 (EST)
From: they cover you in flowers when they bury you <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: well, looks like I'll have to leave the list
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980107174652.184372A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Won't be able to post much, cause I'll be leaving for California. Just got
offered a show. It'll be on ABC Wednesday nights.
It'll be called "Let's Hunt and Kill the Spice Girls." Once a week we'll
let loose the Hounds of Hell and chase down each one of those no-talent
mongoloid herpes-ridden corporate whores and put a shotgun in their
mouths, like a big black cock of death, and pull the trigger and save the
world from a third Spice Girls album.
We'll come back next year with "Let's Hunt and Kill Kenny G."
(Anyone who can identify the man I just plagiarized is truly a great human
being. 50 pts.)
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:25:30 +1030
From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: KM vs DS
Message-ID: <199801072254.JAA00276@goliath.camtech.com.au>
I originally posted the KM and DS message, and I just wanted to reflect on
other jammers' comments.
I don't HATE Derek's keyboarding - actually I quite like his style - just
not as much as I liked KM's. Although, if Kevin Moore was still around for
FII, I probably wouldn't like it as much. The first time I listened to FII,
I wasn't sure if I liked it much, but the second time (about 3 minutes
later) I loved it. This was the first time I had actually heard Derek, as I
haven't got ACOS - yet :)
In 3420:
> > while I also like the keys only part of "Wait for Sleep" (seems
> > quite a long time since someone mentioned this song, huh?
> > Maybe people don't like it very much...)
> Hey, you know how it is. If they continue to play wimpy songs
> like WFS and HY, I just may never buy another DT disc...
I think that if you're a TRUE DT fan, you need to enjoy and respect all of
their songs. If there's a song you don't like, just keep listening to it,
and you'll eventually like it.
As Mark Bredius said:
> > I never skip any songs on any DT albums :)
I agree with your opinion, as I also never (or hardly ever) skip tracks on
my CDs.
On an off note, does anyone here ALSO spend hours on end making MIDI files
of DT songs? I'm making one of 6:00 at the moment, and I'll probably post
it to Under A Cyber Moon ( http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ ).
Keep jammin'
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-- Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Lifting shadows off a Dream once broken She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" - DT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:00:14 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DTIFC (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980107205552.10442B-100000@jaca>
Ok.
Don't know if this is enough DTC for you crazy people :-))), but I'm *SURE* some of you might like hearing it from the horse's mouth... See the message below.
I apologize for Neil about sending the private message below to a public forum, but I don't think that it has any particular "private" information, and I also hope that this forward will cut him a lot of work (replying to a bunch of people asking him the information below a thousand times is something kind of boring, you know).
Hope some of you enjoy knowing about this (P. Cashman :-) ), Roger...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:55:32 -0500 ]From: Neil Elliott To: "INTERNET:rbrito@ime.usp.br" <rbrito@ime.usp.br> Subject: Re: DTIFC
>Neil, I sent the $15 to the New York address as you told me to >before Christmas (I have to check the exact date on the little paper that >the girl of the post office gave me), but I'd like to know if you have >received it or not.
Not yet. There is a hold up in New York at the moment which they are currently dealing with. So hold tight.
Neil Elliott - DTIFC
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:04:56 EST From: EricD91011 <EricD91011@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fan club Message-ID: <36e76c15.34b40a21@aol.com>
Well since everyone is concerned about their cd (including me) is there an email address to write in order to help everyone rest easy? I mean I would hate to flood Neil Elliot's mailbox but people have a certain right to now. Just a thought, take the time.
-Eric
"And even the waves can't carry me away" Kevin Moore
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:15:29 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> Subject: Re: Poll results? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980107181508.5507A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
Look for thre results of the poll this week!
- mike.
* * * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm
(c) 1997 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:22:50 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT comments from GEPR Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980107182248.0068a9bc@mail.ici.net>
I was browsing through the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock, and I came upon a couple of quotes about OFB that I thought were pretty ironic, given the current discussion about the "commercialism" of FII. To wit:
Quote 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >I eagerly awaited {**********} ... even managed to get a copy in the UK before >the UK release. I was *very* disappointed. There are some really terrible MTV >tracks and I threw my CD away in disgust (honestly). They have, if only >partially for now, sold out big time. This is ironic given >how the first album was dedicated to a warning about selling out! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
Quote 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >When comparing them to other 90's progressive acts, they remind me of Djam Karet >the most (not in style or sound though) because they have incredible potential >but lukewarm delivery. Bands like Nuova Era, Episode, and Ozric Tentacles have an >edge up on these guys and I feel that Dream Theater is never going to live up to >their potential until they scrap the desire to be successful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------
And the album both these people were referring to as being too commercial, too pop, and too much of a "sellout?"............
Images And Words
Kind of points out to me the absurity of *anyone* claiming to know the band's motivations for recording the music they do. _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:35:44 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: coinkydink Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980107233544.006b2dfc@pop.pipeline.com>
Bafu, of the travelling Bafus said: >Lowlights: The freaky freaky woman who was rubbing her body against the men in >the front row in an attempt to make them submit to her charms and give up >their railing spaces.
Man, I already mentioned her in MY post show review. Funny how everyone noticed... She's the one who fondled Steve Z...
Leonard, Space Monkey, wrote: >Yeah, although I must admidt she was hot! I was in the second row on the >left of the stage and she asked me "can I have the honor of standing in >front of you" and I seriously thought about it, but held firm. She was >obviously using her "charms" (both of them) to try and work her way up to >James, and it was obvious the rest of us wouldn't have a chance. After a >while of sensuous gyrating behind me, she worked her way over to you guys.
She wasn't that hot. Maybe you were drunk. Were you the Studious Boy Wonder who was jocking her from behind and jumping up and down? Or were you the tall dude in the middle? I think you were Studious Boy Wonder. You tossed Leather Jacket Man pretty well there at the end...we were right next to you all night (on your right).
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 14-3 26-11-8 at San Francisco 49ers at Dallas Stars
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:12:26 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KM vs DS Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980107220954.7582A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Woolcock wrote:
> I think that if you're a TRUE DT fan, you need to enjoy and respect all of > their songs. If there's a song you don't like, just keep listening to it, > and you'll eventually like it.
I'm sorry, but this is brainwashing. It's not being a fan.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:21:06 -0500 (EST) From: belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KM vs DS Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980107191417.11053A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Woolcock wrote:
> I think that if you're a TRUE DT fan, you need to enjoy and respect all of > their songs. If there's a song you don't like, just keep listening to it, > and you'll eventually like it.
A true DT fan does NOT have to like every song they put out. That is just a fan following their favorite band blindly. There is such a thing as good DT songs and bad (albeit few) DT songs. "Anna Lee" is ok, but I haven't listened to it in about two months. And even if I listen to it over and over again from this point on, I am sure that I won't like it any more than I do now.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:23:12 +0000 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3419 Message-ID: <19980107152625.AAA20171@sni.pananet.com>
You know, lately the jam was missing something. I was really losing my interest for it, and then in one jam, it came back...2 - fold:
> 2) DT News of the week. > by "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net> > 5) Another Dang Jaxx Commentary > by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
As Cartman would say: "Kick ass" :)
You guys were severly missed...seriously
> his sound, i.e. guitars, bass, etc. The reason I post this is because of > Derek's sound (basically the sounds on Lines, and JLMB which I consider the > epitome of Derek sound) so much like a guitar. I was curious as to what > people on this list prefer. Something more keyboard sounding, closer to ELP > or the of the keys imitating another instrument like Derek. Just a thought. >
I really like Dereks sound because its really unique. Its like he's shifting between a guitar and a moog sound, and it comes through with so much balls. Kevin had a more traditional sound, which i dig too, but i always go for the more innovative stuff:)
>can't understand this weak work of keyboard there. KM was much >better, he could play the same passages with JP in the same time. I >don't know if Derek can do it like KM, probably YES,because he is a >good player too, but he doesn't do it! Maybe this is the reason of >critical opnions about him.
Derek can pull off all those unison solos (Metropolis, TTT, etc) perfectly live. And you know JLMB? The part where the keys and guitar alternate in the L and R speakers? Live, they play that in unison. And i dont know on keyboard, but on guitar that is a bitch to play. Other than that there arent any parts that need doubling...the songs are different.
Ern
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Skipping? Message-ID: <19980108013422.12254.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com>
Hello! I want to comment about the skipping of songs, which seems to be controversial, but I don't know why. I treat a recording as a whole piece. To skip a song would mean to delete an important part of the recording. I listen to classical music too, and though they're 'somewhat' different (I really think they're very similar in structure) I think it would be inappropriate to skip a part of a concerto or a symphony. On the other hand, technology lets you skip or repeat a song, which not necessarily has to relate to the rest of the album, and that means that a song today might be the equivalent to a concerto or a symphony 150 years ago. I accept that it is a possibility, but I choose to not alter the order or the content of a CD. If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't. Fortunately, I enjoy every Dream Theatre song, so I don't have to skip. Neither do I like to play a CD randomly. The order of a CD was given in an ‘as is' basis and I would not alter it. It was meant to be had like it is. Please don't insult me. It is my point of view! In the case of Yes (my favorite band), I choose to fully listen to all of their albums with the exception of ‘90125', ‘Big Generator' and ‘Talk' (what a coincidence: the albums with Trevor- I can't speak his name!-Raven-er sorry, Rabin), and I do skip the songs by Rabin in the Union album, that's the only exception! Regards, Bernardo PS: Banner? No Banner!
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:13:55 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: To those of you who can't read... Message-ID: <199801080213.SAA17045@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Steve Godbout said: > > >I will remind these two guys (and those who cannot read) that in my >post, which caused these reactions, I said, not once but twice, at the >beginning AND the end, that this was only MY OWN opinion. I also know, >having read many jams since the album came out, that I am not alone. So, >this being my opinion, it surely makes it my problem :-). I just hope >that the jam is still a place to post opinions, ideas and thoughts about >DT. If opinions are not your cup of tea, here are a few facts:
If you're gonna put your foot in your mouth, stop chewing on it...
-The Doc
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