YTSEJAM Digest 3418
Today's Topics:
1) Chaos Theory (SDTC)
by JE78674@ltu.edu
2) email change
by Damon Fibraio <damon@injersey.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3416
by "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
4) Re: KM vs. DS
by WazooDust <WazooDust@aol.com>
5) re: MP interview - DT needs Mo' Money!
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
6) Re: To those of you who can't read...
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
7) bass drum pedals
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
8) WAAF's asses, er, masses & other stuff
by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU>
9) Re: WAAF's response to playing Prog-metal
by "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com>
10) Jaxx - preshow music ID ? ?
by Martin Schoch <mdschoch@bellatlantic.net>
11) Re: Problems
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
12) boo doodliee doo bop whaaaaa
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3417
by Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com>
14) Japanese FII
by Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
15) My Review of the Hartford Show
by Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net>
16) Marillion
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Chaos Theory (SDTC)
Message-ID: <01IS2ENLHQFM91W19F@LTU.EDU>
I recently downloaded the Living In Fear track from Chaos Theory. I must
say that I am very impressed. It's like a I&W-DT/APSOG-FW/Superior
feel all wrapped into one. The vocals are done very well and fit the
music perfectly. Just one question....when is the CD from these guys
going to be released? I know it's supposed to be on Magna Carta's label,
but I checked their web page and saw nothing relating to Chaos Theory.
If anyone has any info on these guys, please e-mail me. I would like to
purchase their album ASAP.
Thanks,
Jeff E.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:53:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@injersey.com>
To: SJU List for Families of the Blind <BLINDFAM@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>,
Subject: email change
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980106185032.29887B-100000@nj5.injersey.com>
I have a new email address and don't remember how to change the info for
the list. My new email address is damon74@concentric.net, I think.
Actually , whatever it is, I need to know how to change my subscription to
this list. Send mail here, damon@injersey.com or to
damon74@concentric.net. I hope I get mail there. Anyway, if that doesn't
work, try damon74@chris.com or damon74@cris.com, one of those should work.
Thanks in advance.
-- Damon Fibraio - (keyboardist, vocalist, college radio nightmare) eMail: <damon@injersey.com> "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside." --Emerson Lake and Palmer------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:29:51 -0800 From: "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3416 Message-ID: <34B2F6AF.F23@nji.com>
Hello, Jammers:
Daniel Gomes writes:
> I recently got a cd from a band called NOCET. They're (as Angra) > a prog metal band, but IMO a bit superior to Angra. > ((I also played some of their songs on Iparty to Mosh and Gaz, ask them > about :)) > Their harmonies and melodies reminds me old DT (WDADU and I&W), Fates > Warning. And the singer is very good too. > Their songs are full of time changes, odd signatures, while they > have some wild guitars, with some Holdsworth/vai solos. The keyboardist > is quite good too, he does not only add atmospheric chords on the > music.
Can anyone tell me if this is available in the U.S.? I'm in the process of compiling a CD library of DT-influenced progressive metal, and this sounds essential. Thanks to all, especially those who have previously helped me.
Tim
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:41:50 EST From: WazooDust <WazooDust@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: KM vs. DS Message-ID: <a677af38.34b2cf4f@aol.com>
Personally I like Dereks sound and VERY much appreciate the fact that he doesn't follow JP around all the time. Of course his sound is going to be different, he's not a clone, has everyone forgotten his work on ACOS ? He played with the style that the music led him to. If they made another IAW or Awake, I think he'd be on par w/ Kevin, different, but as good. Just enjoy it and stop whining, DT couldn't have done any better, after all, they didn't kick Kevin out, he left. If DS really sucks when Met2 comes out, I'll switch camps, but I don't see that happening.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:56:11 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: MP interview - DT needs Mo' Money! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980106165611.006d2a50@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Hey all, This interview gave me an idea...
>MD: How would you say the band has progressed? > >MP: Well, it's been three years since the last full-length album. That's >a long time in anybody's life. Three of us have become fathers--my wife >and I had a daughter--so any time you have a significant change like >that in your life it's going to reflect on your music. The band has a >mature outlook now and a feeling of responsibility, and I think that has > >MD: When you mention the word "maturing" it gives me the impression that >the new music is going to be more mainstream. > >MP: We obviously want to be as successful as possible. And besides, .. >pigeonholed into a progessive stereotype. At the same time there is the >added pressure of the reality that this is the music business. The >hardest thing that we've learned, especially in the pas three years, is >how much of a business it is. We've been through a lot of changes since .. >want to continue to do this we have to somehow CROSS OVER INTO THAT >MAINSTREAM AND SELL RECORDS. .. >MD: Are you worried about dissapointing your "progressive" fans? >MP: I Just hop we can find that balance between success and >credibility.
Well, I guess that's straight from the horses mouth. It all boils down to responsibility and the need for cash. Understandable. It's not fun being a starving artist.
Any solutions out there? Maybe we can find them some day jobs that pay enough so that they can make the music they want, without any sales pressures.
How much money does it take? Most people can live pretty well these days on $100K/year. That's about $50 per hour for a full year's work. How long would it take for the guys to write and record some kick-ass progressive music? They're pretty fast. Maybe somebody out there with a love of progressive DT and equipment could donate some studio time and disc making services. And we could all chip in to pay them $100 an hour to crank out some killer tunes! Ytsejam could become the Ytse-patron! F**k the mainstream! F**k the music business! Let's get some music that's more art, less business.
* Then again, rumor has it that Magna Carta might do this for you. They just don't pay enough...
BH
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:11:14 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: To those of you who can't read... Message-ID: <34B2D632.A054F537@sydey.net>
> I will remind these two guys (and those who cannot read) that in my > post, which caused these reactions, I said, not once but twice, at the > beginning AND the end, that this was only MY OWN opinion. I also know, > having read many jams since the album came out, that I am not alone. So, > this being my opinion, it surely makes it my problem :-). I just hope > that the jam is still a place to post opinions, ideas and thoughts about > DT. If opinions are not your cup of tea, here are a few facts:
And let me remind you that you said 'we dedicated fans' you said 'WE' which implies that you are speaking for more than yourself ?? If you were only stating your own opinion then (of course) you are quite entitled too here. But please don't use 'we' that way no one mistakes your opinion for somebody else's :)
graham
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:33:11 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: bass drum pedals Message-ID: <01bd1b14$992cfc40$035099d1@homewks>
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:09:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters <stachowic_n@UHDVX3.DT.UH.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WAAF's asses, er, masses & other stuff Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980106205744.9799A-100000@DT3.DT.UH.EDU>
Hey, anyone wanna post that e-mail to the Hanson/Spice Girls/any other so-called popular band's mailing list? I'd bet they'd get a real kick out of being called asses... especially by a dj!
To the California 'jammer who still doesn't have their Christmas CD: We still don't have ours, and Ken sent off our dues 2 months ago. I'm getting a little impatient, and I'm really excited to see what this Fanzine is all about. Oh, yeah, we're in Texas.
Re: Trad style vs. matched grip Man, I haven't played drums in YEARS, but I always had a hard time with trad style. I learned matched grip in jr. high, and I don't think I was taught proper trad grip technique. I even played brushes with matched grip. But now that you mention it, I think I'll try my hands at brushes again. :)
One more thing... I have improved my Web site slightly (made it flow a little better, fixed the counters, etc.), so I invite you all to visit it, and especially check out the Help DT Get Airplay page. There's been a lot of talk on the 'jam about radio stations that I just don't have on my page, so if you notice your local station is missing, please let me know!
Happy 'jamming! -Nicole/Kirby
Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Assistant Editor of Dateline Kirby on irc.dreamt.org : a student publication of the Undergrad Professional Writing Major : University of Houston-Downtown stachowic_n@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu -or- ytsekirby@geocities.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:16:31 -0500 From: "Heavy Metal at The Mining Company" <heavymetal.guide@miningco.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: WAAF's response to playing Prog-metal Message-ID: <002101bd1b1a$a8c19340$a2c229cf@default>
While it is true that the masses are indeed asses, the reason that this is the case is because the Radio/Video machine has been force-feeding their listeners Radio "goo-goo" for too long. They have dumbed down their audience, and now that is all these poor people know because they haven't been shown anything better. But the solution isn't to keep feeding them tripe. The solution is to off them and alternative (sorry ;-)) to the marshmallow substance of "Pop". If they would actually devote some time to exposing their listeners to something a bit more stimulating, they might find that people actually like something that takes some intelligence to compose and play. At least that's how I see it. I may be wrong...
Matt Heavy Metal at The Mining Company http://heavymetal.miningco.com heavymetal.guide@miningco.com
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:54:40 -0500 From: Martin Schoch <mdschoch@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jaxx - preshow music ID ? ? Message-ID: <34B2FC7F.51DC@bellatlantic.net>
About the only good thing about waiting forever for the techs to figure out whatever they needed to figure out to get Big Wreck going was some of the music being piped in. I'm curious if anyone might be able to identify what we were listening to, particulary the tracks that first played when they first let us in and that were subsequently repeated when they put the tape back in an hour later.
A couple quick comments on the show - this was the third DT show I'd seen, the other two being in Baltimore a number of years back. This was definitely as good as I've ever seen DT.
A couple of negatives:
1) Mike's loogies are totally unneccesary - suppose he hit one of his band mates with one ! 2) Derek's playing certainly is excellent, but it seems to me that he tends to preen and wave after popping out some simple chords ? It just looks silly to me - the only thing I can compare it to would be Maynard Ferguson's reaction when he pulls off another amazing high note. However, I think Maynard as to go through some more work to pull the note off, and I don't mind the extra flair. In Derek's case, it's distracting.
Thanks -- Martin
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:27:06 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Problems Message-ID: <199801070524.XAA05096@Walden.MO.NET>
> Vincent G. LuPone wrote (regarding You Not Me): > > > To me, this is the weakest song Dream Theater has ever put out. It > > ranks right down there with "Poor Twisted Me" by Metallica, > > "Problems" by Megadeth, and that song on Steve Vai's Fire Garden > > where all the people are singing. Every great band needs at least > > one bad song :) Let's be thankful it's only one bad song, out of 5 > > albums. Not too shabby! Uh, "Problems" was originally done by the Sex Pistols.
Dale R. Newberry "Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
"The best way to save face is to keep the lower part shut."
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:28:46 -0700 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: boo doodliee doo bop whaaaaa Message-ID: <000c01bd1b2d$23f6d860$412746cf@sir.micron.net>
>To me, this is the weakest song Dream Theater has ever put out. It rank= s >right down there with "Poor Twisted Me" by Metallica, "Problems" by >Megadeth, and that song on Steve Vai's Fire Garden where all the people >are >singing. Every great band needs at least one bad song :) Let's be >thankful it's only one bad song, out of 5 albums. Not too shabby!
ack! I assume by "that song on Steve Vai's Fire Garden where all the peo= ple are singing" you are talking about the "hey, hi, we're racing with time thing." I thought it sounded way to hip hop too, but it totally grows on ya. On one my basketball bus trips (huh, huh he's a jock) I managed to convert 2 people to the light that is Steve Vai on one trip (ok it was a really long trip, but still). The song that did it was this 2nd to last s= ong because of it's drum beat. they were like "whoa cool dude" and so they grabbed it and listened to the rest of it. Works kinda like Hollow Years does for DT converts.
In other news, I agree that the fanzine should be the reason you sub to t= he fan club. If not for the fanzine, We never would have heard the famous words that will surely go down as being one of the most profound quotes o= f our generation, spoken by KJLB himself, "Radio can go and suck my ass." thankyouverymuch.
It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:38:21 EST From: Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3417 Message-ID: <e00b7848.34b314ce@aol.com>
How does all this work? Where do I send stuff to "PIN UP"? How do I reply to someone elses pin up? I'm too new at this and its driving me nuts. Can someone out there help me out wih this.
Browneye Angus53@AOL.Com
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:14:09 -0500 From: Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Japanese FII Message-ID: <199801070615.BAA03630@mail1.nai.net>
On Friday, in addition to getting to see DT at the Webster Theater in Hartford, I also got the following CD's
Japanese FII Hallow Years Single
The Japanese FII CD has the little mini disc with the take away my pain demo, and Speak to Me demo. The TAMP demo is MUCH better than the album version - little sadder, and without that Caribbean feel to it. Speak to Me is a VERY cool song, I like it MORE AND MORE with each listen. If you don't have the Japanese FII, which seems to be in very short supply these days, I managed to get mine at JART music (http://www.jartmusic.com).
Also, Since the Japanese FII is in short supply. I could make an MP3 file of SPEAK to ME, but I don't have any space on my Web Page to post it. Anyone interested in putting it on their page? - Email me privately.
The Hallow Years Single is also pretty good. The demo version of YNM is (as many have already said) MUCH better than the album version, and TWIUTB is as D-man said "The Way It Ought To Be"
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net (Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows... I ask my friends, but nobody knows... WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:18:22 -0500 From: Michael Pomerleau <mpomerle@mail1.nai.net> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My Review of the Hartford Show Message-ID: <199801070619.BAA03916@mail1.nai.net>
Before the Show: Met Skadz (Nice Fella, very friendly, and just like he says he does not bite!!!), D-Man(whom I have met before, backstage at the First Toad's place Gig), and Mike Bradley(From my hometown).
The stuff playing on the PA before the show was very cool, if this is liquid tension experiment, then I cant wait to get his stuff. Very Cool.
Big Wreck: Not a bad Band, but they don't really do anything for me. I would much rather see Rudess/Morgenstein, or Fates Open than these guys. At one point, they played the opening riff to "Smoke on the Water" and then stopped when the singer said that he didn't know the song. Later, during DT's Encore, DT played it - I am not sure if that was to "Show Up" Big wreck, or what.
Between BW and DT, they played a lot of the extra stuff from FII. Cover My Eyes is really great. TWIUTB is Excellent - if you dont have the Hallow Years Single - Get it for this one.
The Set - Dream Theater was at their BEST. I have seen them 9 times, and this was BY FAR the best show yet.
James' voice was the best I have ever heard him (although the sound guys could not get ANYTHING right with his sound levels, at the beginning of the show, his volume level was too low, and then about halfway through it was WAY TOO loud).
John Myung just keeps getting better and better - he is a MONSTER on the base.
Derek was very good, and seems to be fitting into the band more and more each time I see them. The new "Style" of keyboards he has been adding to the performances is EXACTLY what DT is presently in need of.
John Petrucci was Flawless(as always), and he makes everything look so easy.
Mike Portnoy - as always was excellent - great stage presence.
Highlights of the show included - Mike Portnoy singing during JLMB. - The "New and Improved YTSEJAM - this is definitely one of my favorite LIVE DT songs, and the new version is SOOOO SICK. You can not belive how FAST they are playing during the middle sections. I REALLY wish that they would re-record this song!!! - They played UAGM - my other favorite live DT song - They played Smoke on the Water during the encore, after the Big Wreck guy during his set said that he could not play it. I don't know if they had planned in advance to play it, or that was just something that they had decided after hearing Big Wreck say that they could not play it.
The Webster Theater was an excellent place to watch DT. No matter where I stood, I could see the band clearly. This is much better than the standard bar location where I always end up standing behind a Basketball Team. The crowd size was Quite large, I wonder how many people were there? Also, our local rock radio station, WCCC was there. Maybe DT will get some coverage from this event. Anyone from the Hartford Area heard any comments on WCCC from the Show????
Anyway that my take on the Hartford Show. They said that they would be back in the Spring. Maybe I will meet more of you guys at that show.
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net (Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows... I ask my friends, but nobody knows... WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion Message-ID: <19980107062241.18806.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com>
Hi Jammers. May I enter the session? Thanks. First of all: thanks for the concert reviews and the album reviews. I have never had the chance to see Dream Theatre in Australia (poor me), so it's more o less educational to read those reviews. I enjoy the CD reviews as they keep me informed and you get the chance to hear about new bands. Just one thing guys, can you write the complete names of the things you're talking about, at least the first time you name them in the message? IE: What does IMO mean? All those accronyms that you keep writing make it VDTU (very difficult to understand) at first. I too want to contribute to the discussions hence: >Hey Jammers! >I've heard so much about Marrilion here, I want to buy an album of >theirs. >Can anyone reccommend a good one to start with? Thanks ! by Art Well, I can tell you, anything you buy from Marillion is quite enjoyable. They've had 2 periods, defined mostly by the singer (they've had two), which have been very different in their styles, but era quite good in their own way. Someone in a previous session had said 'Misplaced Childhood' is a good album to start. I couldn't agree more, but it's certainly not the only one. Marillion often record concept albums, and to me, they are fantastic. I would also recommend 'Clutching at Straws' and 'Brave'. One of their best recordings is 'Script for a Jester's Tear' recorded quite a while ago. I've watched a video of a live concert by this Marillion with Fish, and he was very theatrical, influenced by Peter Gabriel when he was with Genesis. If you want to go any further, try IQ, another british group which has not been so successful as Marillion, but have a similar style. These bands are called Genesis-clones. Some critics have pointed that if Genesis were doing serious music, they would sound like IQ. By these guys, I can suggest 'Subterranea', a double CD, which is extremely good. This is their latest stuff. Never the less, if you want to bay a single CD, try 'J'ai Pollette D'Arnu' (this doesn't mean anything in French), which contains a collection of rarities and live songs. Try 'The Wake', a CD which is beleived to be conceptual, with dark lyrics about death (not in a stupid way, but in a more poetic manner). Have fun. Bernardo Pulgar Banner: No Banner!
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