YTSEJAM Digest 3451
Today's Topics:
1) Re: KM back in DT ??
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) Re: MP3s
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) Re: What is hip? Tell me, tell me, if you think you know ;)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) Superior vs Lemur voice/Bahr wars
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Keep it up Mike!
by Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net>
6) Re: Persuasion tapes/James & Pot/DT Overexposure?
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
7) James
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
8) Re: superior
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) Re: Xmas Cd & DT Concert + Tangerine Dream...
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
10) David Said...
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
11) Spock's Beard is not growing on me, it's full grown right out of the gate :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) Re: two legit opinions
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) This is getting so old
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
14) Mads vs. Mike
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) Re: Condom slogans
by Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com>
16) Boots & Boots & More Good Boots
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:07:01 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: KM back in DT ??
Message-ID: <34BBAD45.7566@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
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WazooDust:
> He's [Kevin] a great musician, but DT needs to go on w/o him.
THEY have.
It seems that many on here haven't though!
If you read the above sentence as anything closely resembling "one
keyboardist is better than the other," seek help :)
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They didn't play Scarred at the Hartford show, so I've yet to hear Derek
pla yone of favorite DT songs, and which people are saying, he NAILED at
other venues! Hey, I held up just fine, though. After all, he played
LITS, parts of ACoS and JLMB (to name a few :)
Curious, though, has he ever played 6:00 live? I was noticing how much
fun it would be to hear that song live. And how much is going on in
there with MP's fills/licks/riffs/whatchamacallits! Go back and listen
to 6:00 from the perspective of the drums accompanying the rest of the
players, as opposed to the traditional "bass/drums establish the rhythm
upon which the song is built" perspective.
This guy just knows when/where/what to play!!
Anyways, the subject was about Derek (yeah, yeah, I know the subject is
about Kevin...SHADDUP!! :):)
I'd be willing to bet you that Derek would be all over that keyboard
solo right before "Inside...."
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So the word on the street is that Chromakey is out. Any details?
www.chromakey.com don't like me no more :( WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:09:58 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: MP3s
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980113160504.2966A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, they cover you in flowers when they bury you wrote:
> Here's a question for you: what does it take to make MP3s? Would I need any
> special hardware (in which case it ain't happening) or is there a piece of
> software I could download?
Technically speaking, it only takes a WAV file containing the
sound that you want to compress and then a compressor. Of course, you'll
need something to play the compressed file (otherwise, it is useless :-)).
> I'm thinking, once I get a pc, it'd be cool to make some samples of some of
> the wacked-out stuff I listen to and send em to whoever wants em.
So, I assume the WAV files you'll have are from CD? Then you'll
need a CD-ripper to create these WAV files from your CD tracks.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:12:58 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: What is hip? Tell me, tell me, if you think you know ;) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980113161235.2966B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Jon Parmet wrote:
> > I'd like to meet an artist on a major label who has never compromised > > any of his/her music because of label pressure. > > Miles :) > > Nobody told him what the fuck to play!
Miles Davis???
[]s curious, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Superior vs Lemur voice/Bahr wars Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980113132153.439A-100000@bdmserver>
Superior is more of a power metal band than a prog metal band. They do have prog metal bits and great keys/piano... They definitely do not remind me of Crimson Glory.
LV is a prog metal band. I wouldn't say they are a DT clone though.
---- As for the Bahr wars: Chris has good points and Mike has good points. Bootlegs are one of those subjects where you can agree to disagree.
|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |===================================================================| | Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: | | "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:25:36 -0700 From: Eric S P Barker <EBarker@NBCI.Net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Keep it up Mike! Message-ID: <01BD2015.F8FA57C0@Production1.NBCI.Net>
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Subject: Re: In Defense of Prism Records Subject: BAHR WARS (by Eckie and Vinnie) Subject: ATTENTION: BAHR AND PTACEK
Even if Mike is making tons of money, More Power to you Mike and keep it up. After all this is America and if I could make some money off of something that I liked to do I sure would. Also it has to do with that old thing called Supply and Demand, and even though the demand is high he(Mike) still has the prices very reasonable IMO.
Keep it up Mike, because without people like you many of us would not hear lots of new or different things from our favorite bands.
Variety is the Spice :(note girls is not here): of Life.
Eric
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Persuasion tapes/James & Pot/DT Overexposure? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980113133052.13932A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
Maybe the whole JLB thread is really bogus and was actually started by the government in an attempt to out all the Ytsejam potheads? Just a stupid little idea.
About Metroplis and persuasion tapes: I must admit that before I heard I&W I hadn't really been exposed to prog rock very much (except for Rush). PMU had just came out and was very big on the radio at the time. I liked PMU, but I had heard so much "balls and chunk" already at that point that I didn't think it was anything too out of the ordinary. Nevertheless I bought the CD, and ended up being blown away by the really prog stuff, such as Metropolis and LTL. Most common music listeners have never heard stuff like Metro before, and the "not being used to it" factor could actually push them towards stuff like this, at least that's how it was for me.
I don't know about other areas, but here where I live YNM and BMS get played ALL OF THE TIME! They went from zilch to very solid spots in the rotation. They are bordering on getting played too much here, so I hope people don't get sick of them.
-C#
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:50 -0800 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James Message-ID: <199801131850.KAA55590@pdx108>
I'm glad to see that everyone's skepticism is alive regarding the KevMo sighting on IRC. However I'm curious why nobody has questioned the James "coffeehouse" sighting in Amsterdam (or Netherlands, or whereever that was). To the person who saw him there: did you actually see him lighting up? Or did you just see him in this particular establishment which has a certain reputation, and assume that he was there to partake of all available services?
I know that I remain fairly ignorant of the drug scene, and I did not know that there were "coffeehouses" in foreign countries where it was legal to buy marijuana. At the same time, there have been numerous sightings of band members throughout this tour in bars and restaraunts grabbing a bite to eat before gigs. Isn't it possible that James had the same ignorance as me, and that this place was simply a convenient place to hang out before the concert?
This isn't any kind of moral judgement on pot smoking, but this implication may very well be an insult to James (although unlikely considering some of the joking comments he's made about smoking a joint). I just hate to see rumors like this started without concrete evidence. If you actually saw him toking on a joint, or someone asks him if he smokes pot and he says, "yeah, so what?", then by all means continue this discussion. But until then, everyone should keep in mind that so far all we have to go by is assumptions. This is how all those annoying cancer rumors start...
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 12:59:05 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: superior Message-ID: <34bbb9782cc6002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <34BB43D2.6914@winshop.com.au> from ytsejam@ax.com: > > > > so, if anyone can remind me why I'd know that name (flotsam and > > jetsam), I'd be much obliged..... > > I believe it's a chapter in one of the books in the Lord of the Rings > trilogy. That's where I remember that name from, don't know much about > the band....
It's the names of the two eels in the disney's "The Little Mermaid." You know, Ursula's henchmen.
-Brian >
******************************************************************************** "Cloning is just reproduction without naked people." -James Mohr ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:39:25 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Xmas Cd & DT Concert + Tangerine Dream... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980113213925.0068ea94@mail.surffi.net>
]From Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> >>>>>>>< <SNIP> Also regarding DT in Concert and others in concert. I'm wondering how much impact does the record company have on the shows. I mean count how many FII songs were played during the concerts. Think about Rush. They have 5000 albums out, yet this last tour they pass up to play some timeless to play new songs off TFE? Come on - you gotta think 75% of the people at the shows already have or heard stuff from the new album. Now take Yes's current tour - they have a shit little label and they only play 2 songs off their two albums that came out within in a month of each other?
So I think that the record companies are requiring bands to play either a certain percentage of songs off of new CD's or bands are two lazy to relearn old stuff that people actually want to hear. <<<<<<<<<<<<
well... DT has been around roughly ten years, and released 5 albums... yes has been around almost 30 years and released around 20 albums, I think the same goes for Rush, mebbe that is the reason?
And with all this talk about Tangerine Dream, I decided to give my $.02... I've only heard a few TD albums (let's say 5) and I dig some of the stuff, some I don't like, but the new one (I think they haven't released anything after it?) called "Goblin's Club" is EXCELLENT... the local library here has it, and first time I heard it I wasn't blown away.. but after a few more listens it started to open.. (sounds a bit like some ppls exposure to DT)
Whatever, I am just saying: get Goblin's Club, if you don't fall in love with it... then you don't :)
op777
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:19:51 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: David Said... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980113221951.00699ba0@hlti.fi>
I saw an ad like this in net: David Said, an independent band making independent music. influences: NIN, Pink Floyd, Dream Theater, Machine Head http://members.aol.com/davidsaid I haven't heard the band.. just thought that someone with faster connection to net might go there, d/l the songs and post to jam if they are any good...
op777
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:29:39 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spock's Beard is not growing on me, it's full grown right out of the gate :) Message-ID: <34BBCEB3.3359@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Due to the very special kindness of a stranger, I am now in possession of The Kindness of Strangers :)
Well, this is not a review, but more of a here's how it hit me initially:
When I listened to the first track, I thought I was listening to Gentle Giant there for a bit. The mellotron has a lot to do with it, obviously; but the overall feel of the first couple of tracks, rhythmically and melodically, took me there. For those of you who don't know who Gentle Giant is, they were considered to be one of the most progressive bands in the 70's and early 80's. SB appears to be carrying on the tradition quite nicely. I also hear a symphonic rock type of sound in there at times (think YES :).
This band quite clearly, though, has their own sound as well. They are musically gifted individuals with a real sense of how to deliver the groove. The vocal harmonies are sweet, the rhythmic changes that are going on are enough to keep even the proggiest of prog-heads stimulated, one just can't help but get up for these guys!
Mike was right!
Currently, the song June is my favorite. There are portions in the beginning of June, where during the first listen, I was imagining where I wanted them to take it, and that not only took it there, but went beyond it :)
I'm sure that, as with Dream Theater, most if not all of the tracks will regularly leapfrog each other in a constant battle for my love and attention :)
Reading the liner notes I notice not one, not two, but three different musicians in there who play keys: two primary, one now and then. I thought I'd throw this out there knowing that some of you will embrace and rationally discuss the concept, while others will completely fly off the handle.....
I enjoy both: one for the opinions, the other for the fodder :)
Ok, ok, here it is:
What if Kevin came back AND Derek stayed?
Could the world survive that much synth sound? Would Damon Fibraio be able to control himself? hehehehehe
What if Jordan stopped by............... again? :)
*** Jon is now known as JonAWAY
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: two legit opinions Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980113124143.27696A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Tedesco, Matthew wrote:
[hugehuhuhuge snip] >It's a legitimate position. We don't all have to agree. By the nature
True, it's a perfectly legit opinion. Right now, however, I think Chris is about the only one who has that opinion ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:46:36 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This is getting so old Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980113204636.006b8f64@pop.pipeline.com>
> Hats off to ya, Mike. The check is in the mail. > > Richie
I wish my King's X cd were. I don't know what class postage Mr. Bahr uses, but for some reason his cds just don't make it to tranquil, ultra-suburban areas of Maryland. Maybe if he sent it by UPS, which has a tracking system, I would get my damn cd (and earlier than 7 months after the check was cashed). I am sick of this shit.
Green Bay Packers '96 Super Bowl Champs | Detroit Red Wings '97 Stanley Cup Champs 15-3 27-11-9 Super Bowl vs Denver Back to Back Champs? at NY Islanders
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:52:43 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: "A Logic-Proof Shell" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mads vs. Mike Message-ID: <000301bd206d$94f43b80$37c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
Hey, if you guys take this to private e-mail, please do me a favor and cc: everything to me. I'm greatly interested in this debate. (darn, that'd be a great sarcastic e-mail, but i'm serious. oh well.) Moo.
--
Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:09:20 EST From: Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Condom slogans Message-ID: <f21ad1e5.34bbe613@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-13 13:15:25 EST, you write:
<< >LIST OF POSSIBLE Slogans for promoting condoms>> >>
yadda yadda yadda.............. This list has made the tour of probably all college campuses on this wonderful continent. It came to ours twice. The guys hall a couple floors down from me proceeded to post it on their message board. It's funny, but by the end the humor dies out, since it is so long.
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:30:59 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Boots & Boots & More Good Boots Message-ID: <v01530525b0e19a6abc98@[209.50.100.141]>
>>One possible outcropping of that passion, particularly for a >>writer of music, is a belief that anyone profitting at all from the music, >>aside from the writer/performer, shouldn't be.
Then what the hell is East West doing? And you're saying all those mail-order catalogues are illegal? They're making money off someone else's music aren't they? and so is Wal-mart, Sam Goody, Camelot, Wherehouse, Record Town... Man there's a lot of shameless businesses goin around!
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