YTSEJAM Digest 3456
Today's Topics:
1) Get ya programs here...peanuts, cashews!!!!
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) Please Read
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
3) Read this also!
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
4) Finally some DT content.
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
5) Fuckin Bullshits there!
by "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com>
6) Re: No DT/Playstation (Sony)
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) DT in SPAIN (barcelona)?
by Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com>
8) Steve Walsh
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3454
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
10) Steve Walsh
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
11) Superior
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
12) These boots are made for walking...
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
13) Re: Do better - IS CRAP
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
14) UACM tabs, xmas CD
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
15) Re: My AWAKE and IAW tab books have arrived
by "Christopher Moran" <MM000006@mail.alvirne.hudson.k12.nh.us>
16) Re: No DT/Playstation (Sony)
by Ryan Roehrich <ryan@gci-net.com>
17) Vanden Plas
by 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse)
18) Re: Charlie
by "StickS" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com>
19) Re: These boots are made for walking...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:01:34 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Get ya programs here...peanuts, cashews!!!!
Message-ID: <34BCE15E.2D85@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Mogus:
> Someone should charge admission [to the Chris vs. Mike war]
HEY, I personally don't believe it's right that someone should be able
to make money off of something that is based on an argument over making
money off of something that is based on people playing music and making
money off of it :) I already gave at the office (CD shop) anyways :)
But if there were free drinks :)
hehehe
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:04:41 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Please Read Message-ID: <8525658C.005527D6.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Head,
>>I'll have to decline on your offer of oral sex. That was directed solely to Mr. Bahr,<<
I think you should stop slandering others with no provocation on this jam.
I know that my response is exactly what you want. You probably love to start little flames on the jam in hopes of making yourself feel more important than you really are. If you need to post more of this drivel to compensate
for your minuscule ego go right ahead. Continue this little charade but please don't include me in it.
>>who probably brushes his teeth more often than somebody named Korch. <<
That was really mature. Hygiene jokes? Why do you feel the need to revert to kindergarten humor?
>>Prog content: I raped the guy from Shadow Gallery with an inverted cross tonight.<<
I guess this is another intelligent, funny statement. If the rest of the jam condones this sort of "humor", I would like to know about it! I am making a request to all jammers:
Do you approve of this sort of behavior (i.e. the request for Mr. Bahr to give oral pleasure to "Head")? If you do, I will asked to be removed from the jam.
It is really a shame that there are such personal attacks on the jam. I thought I found a place to discuss DT, but then something like this happens.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:14:36 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Read this also! Message-ID: <8525658C.005535FB.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Carol,
>>This is the United States of America. And being citizens of this great and wonderful country we have the right to freedom of speech.<<
Which is why I stated my opinion. It is rather hypocritical that you defend Ben's (Head) right to his opinion, but yet you try to stifle mine. All I asked for was for Head to make his attacks in a private manner. I signed up to the jam to read about my favorite band, and not to read such drivel. I have l already taken up too much bandwidth discussing this matter.
>>Everyone has the right to their own opinion and when I want yours I'll give it to you!<<
Once again, you are hypocritical. I also have an opinion, and it is that "I don't find this humorous".
>>Ben's post was one of the most humorous ones I have read in a long time...and if you can't recognize sarcasm..get a thicker shell!<<
How is this for sarcasm? I think Ben's statement was intelligent and funny and I think that you are correct in defending him.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:19:27 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Finally some DT content. Message-ID: <8525658C.00595008.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
To the entire jam,
I am sorry that I had to post so much non-DT content recently (my disagreement with Ben and others), but I finally have a DT question.
Does anyone know when DT will be coming back to the US (particularly Atlanta) for more shows? I have heard that DT would have a second leg of the FII tour, and I was wondering when this might be. I enjoyed this show, and it was a pleasure meeting other jammers (you know who you are). I look forward to doing it again.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 16:40:33 -0500 From: "Rosinski, Michal" <rosinmi@warsaw.whitecase.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fuckin Bullshits there! Message-ID: <DEC0BC340122450F@smtp.whitecase.com>
Hi ytsejammers! What is happened with this list? I thought, this is a fan-list, not battlefield. People, can you stop those FUCKIN BATTLES, it is totally without sense. I read a kind of homosexual letter there, but this is not a channel for homos! I KNOW, it was a JOKE, but I've found this kind of jokes under my level of thinking. Regards for all(for idiots and close-minded people too)! Mike
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:34:02 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: No DT/Playstation (Sony) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980114113402.009e49b0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
I've heard that this ISN'T possible, although I can't prove it or explain why.
KAI
> I broke down and bought one...a Sony Playstation. GREAT! > huh? Games are 60 bucks each? oh ok...HERE IS WHAT > I would like to know. Since CD burners are on the rise > etc..etc..can you copy a Sony playstation game and use it? > Does it use the same equipment? It seems that the Sony > Playstation CD is alittle 'thicker'. Anyone have any info > on this? Let me know...thx!
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in SPAIN (barcelona)? Message-ID: <19980114163427.14569.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com>
Hi all, Someone know if DT will be in barcelona (spain) for the european tour? thanx _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Walsh Message-ID: <199801141645.LAA04449@umbc9.umbc.edu>
OK, now, why don't we give Steve Walsh a break. His voice is definitely not what it used to be, but that was TWENTY STINKIN' YEARS AGO! Even now after 20 years and no smokes he still sounds better than Geoff Tate after ..I don't know...how long has he been smoking, because he sounded fine til a couple years ago.
Every time I hear James LaBrie do the raspy voice I worry what his voice is going to sound like in 10 years. Now, if he's smoking pot...
As long as I'm on the subject <I wasn't going to do this, but what the fuck>, the reason why people are taking it so hard that James smokes pot is because he's the SINGER! Smoking pot is TEN TIMES worse than regular cigarettes because it's unfiltered. The nicotene and tar won't hurt you voice <although they won't help> as much as inhaling HOT SMOKE down your throat. As far as I'm concerned, if JP or DS want to smoke pot, go ahead <although it's not going to help them any either>. But IF James is actually doing it, that's extermely foolish, and it most certainly does make my/our respect for him diminish a little.
I also find it interesting that those jammers who do smoke pot take such pleasure in the mere POSSIBILITY that OFB smokes weed. Are you so insecure about your own delinquency that you must milk some sort of affirmation out of this? Man, get a life.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:45 EST From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3454 Message-ID: <9882da43.34bcec76@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-14 02:35:42 EST, you write:
<< dear mike, Why haven't you called me lately? I miss you! I can't stand that we = had to move away from eachother. (i miss your sex, it was good!) i have = been masturbating to the pictures i have of you. i miss your warm juicy = cock in my mouth.(i HOPE you miss my dick as well) i don't know what i = am gonna do without you! i NEED to get together ONCE more and just fuck = the shit out of eachother. we could go to a nice little restaraunt,or = maybe just stay at my place. my parents will be gone for the week and my = brother might want to join in! now that would be FUN! how about you rub = jelly all in my asshole like you did that one time. or maybe you could = put a lot of syrup on me and do your silly little "leggo my eggo" voice. = did my mom ever return your offer for the tit suck? she told me she = wants someone a little more her age, sorry. if you wont get back = together with me one last time....PLEASE just send me a naked picture of = you! love you aand miss = you, MARIO :=FE >> you are one sick and twisted mother fucker did you realize that? even if any of this is true ( which i doubt that it is ) you don't have to post it. this is sick and next time you want to send someone a letter like this.... HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF COMPOSE MAIL?????
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:51:18 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Walsh Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980114115118.009e28c0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
This might be true of when he was the only vocalist and frontman, but on the last tour, Robby Steinhardt is back in the band, and taking the frontman position. Although they pretty much split the vocals, Steve was in the back behind his keys the whole time. The performance was better with Robbie back, than the previous 4 times I've seen them without him.
KAI
>Yeah but ever watch Steve Wlash on stage....never stops moving at top >speed! I heard he can really *crank* it up! Got the chance to meet the >guy backstage once...very skinny, wound up like a top..but he can still >hit those notes and slayed me in my seat!
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:51:31 -0400 From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior Message-ID: <8525658C.005C6192.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I just wanted to explain our songwriting because somebody said that we sound as if we just wanted to be progressive and try everything to achieve that. Well, that's bullshit. :) ........Bernd<<
Thanks for the post Bernd. It is nice to know that there are bands out there that actually care what we "little" people think. I was listening to behind last night, and although I don't think it is the "most prog" album I have, I do think it is a damn good album. I am happy that Paul Cashman recomended it.
Good Luck,
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:02:14 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: Just Let Me Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: These boots are made for walking... Message-ID: <34BCEF96.69D8@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
The Johnstonator:
> You didn't even use my smiley.
No I didn't!!! I did NOT use your smiley, damnit :)
> If you're gonna put words in my mouth,
Ditto :) Please be sure to remove them afterwards.
> please make the style consistent. ^_^
OK :) Next time, I promise :) That's the nice thing about standards, there's so many to choose from!
I just wanted to clarify (not to you, you obviously grok!) that with over 1000* people on this list, that statistical inferences are sketchy at best and are probably best avoided, as people are not required to post on the topic. I think a lot of people (myself included) are avoiding the issue altogether, because of some/all of the following reasons:
001) It's a heated issue 010) It's a REALLY heated issue now (given the recent busts) 011) People realize that closure in intractible 100) People are simply neutral on the subject 101) People have better things to do 110) Booting Kevin from the band was ok, but booting Derek is right out! 111) Look, I came here for an argument....No you didn't!
Hey, remember the days when we all were looking forward to the release of FII, so we could chill and start talking HHJJDTC**?
* Any word on the last count?
** Decoding HHJJ is left as an exercise, albeit an easy one, for the reader :)
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:07:30 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Do better - IS CRAP Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980114120730.00e92210@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
> When I was just a kid, I adopted a policy: don't put down if you can't >do better. You should >all live up to this. For example: YNM might not be your favorite on the
Ugh! I absolutely can't stand this argument. It might be a kind rule of thumb to live by while only applying it to amateur events, but in the world of financial gain, this should absolutely NOT be applied. Basically, you're trying to make the argument that only other movie makers have the right to call Water World a shit movie, because they have made better movies. That's crap. What I love about capitalism is the fact that the common man (customer) has the final judgement about a product. If you buy an album and think it sucks, it's ludicrous to think that you need to revise that opinion simply because you haven't created anything better. It's not your job.
KAI
>disc, but if you've recorded >something better, by all means, SEND IT! I'd love to hear it. DT have >taken a step that many of >you are finding hard to swallow. Do one thing for me. At the same time, >put on you're least favorite >DT song and you're fave local radio station at the same time and at the same >volume. Which stays >on?
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:49:48 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: UACM tabs, xmas CD Message-ID: <01BD2118.CB9C6D00@BEtor.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Justin wrote :
> Uhhggg, does anyone else here agree with me when I say that whoever > does the tab work for the DT songs on the Under a Cyber Moon web site > sucks????????
Firstly, I think about 15 people have contributed those tabs... Do they all "suck" ? Secondly, I can't read tablatures to save my life, so I take whatever I can get... As far as I know, UACM has just about every DT tab available on the 'Net, which at the very least makes it the best online place to check for DT tabs. Thirdly... if you think you can do *better*, be my guest ! :-) New tablatures are always more than welcome. > I guess what I'm trying to say, if you want tab, "real tab", then > you should just buy the tab books because you know that they'll be > correct..
Does anyone know if I can get into trouble, if I add those tabs to UACM (including copyright and ordering info for the books) ? _____
Oh yeah... I *finally* got the xmas CD in the mail, yesterday ! I'm a bit disappointed though... I mean, they *really* sold out THIS time. :-( The songs are all *way* too short to be prog ! No 10 minute epic tracks... Also, that Mike Portnoy dude is the worst producer *ever*. The album doesn't flow well at all. :-( Also, the songs kinda sound unfinished... but maybe that's just me... What the hell do I know, I've only heard it once so far.
Kidding :-)
I love the xmas CD. It is not something I would listen to, over and over... But it does help you pay attention to the stuff you probably missed on FII... Well done, Mike ! :-) It reminds me of Marillion's "Making of Brave" 2CD... Except, they included a full demo version of the entire album on disc 2 ! Cool stuff...
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Would someone please let me know how we _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ have spun out of control ? |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Has the captain let go of the wheel ? |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ (Queensryche - Sign of the Times) |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:43:07 EST From: "Christopher Moran" <MM000006@mail.alvirne.hudson.k12.nh.us> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: My AWAKE and IAW tab books have arrived Message-ID: <2D5336C246F@mail.alvirne.hudson.k12.nh.us>
Hi to whoever posted this message (I don't remember seeing a name), I was just wondering where you got the tab books from. You said you ordered them from GB. What exactly is that? I'm looking to buy some too. Could you help me? Just tell me how, and from where you ordered them. Thanks. -Chris-
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:38 -0700 From: Ryan Roehrich <ryan@gci-net.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: No DT/Playstation (Sony) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980114104638.007cc200@gci-net.com>
yep, its possible..you need to put a mod chip into the playstation tho to play backup cds, which will also allow you to play imports..check out:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/1289/ModChips.html
for more info
ryan
At 09:32 AM 1/14/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I've heard that this ISN'T possible, although I can't prove it or explain why. > >KAI > >> I broke down and bought one...a Sony Playstation. GREAT! >> huh? Games are 60 bucks each? oh ok...HERE IS WHAT >> I would like to know. Since CD burners are on the rise >> etc..etc..can you copy a Sony playstation game and use it? >> Does it use the same equipment? It seems that the Sony >> Playstation CD is alittle 'thicker'. Anyone have any info >> on this? Let me know...thx! > >
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:46:09 -0400 (AST) From: 015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rick Barkhouse) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vanden Plas Message-ID: <199801141746.NAA23600@dragon.acadiau.ca>
Does anyone know where I can order any Vanden Plas CDs?
// ============================================== // Rick Barkhouse <015691b@dragon.acadiau.ca> | // -- 706 Crowell Tower -- (902) 585-2700 -- | // Homepage: http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b/ | // ==============================================
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:51:11 -0600 From: "StickS" <ProMark707@DigiScape.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Charlie Message-ID: <000301bd2115$01840120$2370d9cd@default>
'Sup All, First let me say that it was Ice Tea (Nestea to be exact), but regardless of the beverage of choice the individual prefers to have while oral sex is performed on him, most of what was said was not necessary. Most of that post could have been taken to Private E-mail. The personal attack was tasteless (considering we do have some minors in our ranks). I'm not gonna say that I found it offensive (I get pretty bad myself, especially if Evil Twin gets loose), but let's think of the children and the more easily offended amongst us.
Curtis "StickS" Toler ProMark707@DigiScape.com http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/sticks.htm Mr. Slate's Web Site: http://www.DigiScape.com/perspgs/272/default.htm
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: These boots are made for walking... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980114095956.22545A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Jon Parmet wrote:
> >The Johnstonator: > >> You didn't even use my smiley. > >No I didn't!!! I did NOT use your smiley, damnit :) > >> If you're gonna put words in my mouth, > >Ditto :) Please be sure to remove them afterwards. > >
Fair enough. ^_^
>> please make the style consistent. ^_^ > >OK :) Next time, I promise :) That's the nice thing about standards, >there's so many to choose from! >
How true you speak, sir.
>I just wanted to clarify (not to you, you obviously grok!)
Hey! ^_^ Thanks, I think... ^_^
>Hey, remember the days when we all were looking forward to the release >of FII, so we could chill and start talking HHJJDTC**? > > > * Any word on the last count? > >** Decoding HHJJ is left as an exercise, albeit an easy one, for the >reader :)
I suck at TTOFLA... sorree. ^_^
> >*------------*----------------------------*--------------* >| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | >*------------*----------------------------*--------------* >
--Matt
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