YTSEJAM Digest 3460
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3459
by BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net>
2) More NKOTB and Grandmothers-Who-Like-DT
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
3) Re: More NKOTB and Grandmothers-Who-Like-DT
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) Bahr/Priority Shipping
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
5) Re: my address
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
6) Re: Bahr/Priority Shipping
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
7) Re: Bahr/Priority Shipping
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
8) Last note on CD stuff [NO FLAMES]
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
9) The Fountainhead
by Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com>
10) Re: asdf
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) YtseCon II group photo on Web
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
12) Re: Please Read
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3459
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
14) Re: Please Read
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
15) subscribe problem
by Adam Bodnar <ytsejam@falcon.sch.bme.hu>
16) neat little personal trivia
by jpenna@trc.tosco.com
17) Re: Quadrupple spacing
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
18) Re: Bahr wars...
by Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:02:05 +0000
From: BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3459
Message-ID: <34BD51F5.D6C2941@mail.ptdprolog.net>
> Wait a second...You're so full of shit. I saw 'ryche August 3rd of last
> year and Tate sounded just as good...maybe better than he used to sound.
I saw them a week before that. Geoff hit most of the high notes in the
songs they did. However, his throat was pinched tight all night because
it's all he can do to get the notes out. Where he used to SING, now he
just screams.
I mean he was able to hit that REALLY REALLY HIGH NOTE in the beginning
Yeah well, they're doing it to a dat tape..ala Milli Vanilli.. I know.
B
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:15:27 -0500
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More NKOTB and Grandmothers-Who-Like-DT
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980115001527.0070cf80@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>>What if Jordan stopped by............... again? :)
>
>Screw Jordan. What if *Donny* stopped by?!
>
>Brian "The Right Stuff" Henderson
>
>***This has to be the worst thread ever : ) Where is Chris Merlo when you
>need him, he could make a list and put this at the top of it : )
> Later, J
Weeeel, since we were talking about the New Kids and everything, I think it
might be apropos to point out that I heard rumors of them trying a to do a
comeback...as none other than the New Men on the Block. Quite sad, and
very very true, making it even more so. A parallax, you dig?
Oh oh o-o-oh...
Anyhow, to the important (eh...) stuff -- that
50-some-year-old-grandmother-and-Metallica/Megadeth-fan boss of mine who my
friend was trying to introduce to DT? Not only did she like it as I'd
reported earlier, but she and her husband (same age, I'd guess, though I've
never met 'im) love OFB, and are planning on buying their albums, and not
giving back my friend's CDs until they do so. That'll teach him to do a
good deed.
Magellan's "Test of Wills" rules. Trombone and metal -- who'da thunk it?
Anybody know the identity of the flautist? The one doing the
somewhat-decent Ian Anderson impression?
Megadeth. Sunday. Philadelphia. I'll be there, and at a Checkers (the
best fast-food chain, hands down -- they put the condiments on the burgers
for you!) somewhere in the city before the show if anybody needed to find
me to deliver an extra "Lie" single or something.
Brian "White Castle Can Eat *Me*" Henderson
===========================
Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
===========================
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 23:29:06 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: hender@wam.umd.edu, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: More NKOTB and Grandmothers-Who-Like-DT
Message-ID: <34bd9ea10186002@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:33:05 -0800 (PST)
from Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>:
> Weeeel, since we were talking about the New Kids and everything, I think
> it
> might be apropos to point out that I heard rumors of them trying a to do
> a
> comeback...as none other than the New Men on the Block.
If Milli Vanilli can come back, anyone can.
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:20:50 -0500
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bahr/Priority Shipping
Message-ID: <34BDAAC2.386C@mtu.edu>
Hello All-
I suggusted this very idea to Mike a few months ago and he said he may
start to include it as an option. He also said the most delays are not
from slow shipping (check the postmark date), but rather from setbacks
in getting the discs to the P.O.
Matt Stanich
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:37:46 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: my address
Message-ID: <199801150638.AAA24978@Walden.MO.NET>
Okay, just a quick note. In case anyone has had trouble trying to
e-mail me privately, my address is: drnewb@mo.net. No matter what it
may show in my jam posts, it's drnewb@mo.net. For some unknown
reason, it has been displaying wrong. I've tried to fix it, to no
avail. Thanks.
Dale r. Newberry
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some
people appear bright until you hear them speak."
"The best way to save face is to keep the lower
part shut."
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:48:30 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Bahr/Priority Shipping
Message-ID: <34BDB13E.1208@pacbell.net>
Matt Stanich wrote:
>
> Hello All-
>
> I suggusted this very idea to Mike a few months ago and he said he may
> start to include it as an option. He also said the most delays are not
> from slow shipping (check the postmark date), but rather from setbacks
> in getting the discs to the P.O.
>
> Matt Stanich
Yeah like stopping knife wielding record store robbers, and posting to
the jam...that would keep me from getting to the post office everytime.
-- Hearts away.......Coldfire coldfire@pacbell.net ICQ: 4656934 http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/haight/25
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye."
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:48:03 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bahr/Priority Shipping Message-ID: <34BDB123.E529CFA0@sydney.net>
Matt Stanich wrote: > > Hello All- > > I suggusted this very idea to Mike a few months ago and he said he may > start to include it as an option. He also said the most delays are not > from slow shipping (check the postmark date), but rather from setbacks > in getting the discs to the P.O.
What has this got to do with some jammers waiting up to 9 months for a disc ?
graham
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:57:30 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Last note on CD stuff [NO FLAMES] Message-ID: <34BDC16A.3C6A@goodnet.com>
Hi all.
As of about 10 Jams ago, I've ceased participating in the flamewar (and apparently so has Chris) since you're right, it's a waste of time and bandwidth.
As for Ben Laussade, I have nothing against him because he's just a kid, and all kids talk smack like that. He'll get humbled when he moves out on his own, just like we all did. It's a fact of life.
And now as for the "late/10 month CDs" thing. Hopefully wait times THAT long aren't happening anymore; excepting possibly a few strays, most of the remaining orders should only be a few months old at worst. That's still too long, of course, and the best thing I can do is what I've been doing... to make as many of these things as fast as possible, and get 'em out the door. I've been able to stay current on the new stuff while simultaneously catching up on the old; hopefully the more hours I put into doing that, the sooner the backlog will clear entirely, and next year we can all look back on the delays of '97 and have a good laugh. Perhaps I *did* bite off more than I could chew, so to speak, but it has merely forced me to do things better, faster, and in greater quantity. I had to learn to perform more and more efficiently just in order to tread water. I'm told ADD people are like that; I never understood it until that was explained to me.
Yes, it's been too long.
No, it's never going to happen on any future print runs. Ever.
The four it happened to were more than enough for me, thanks.
I'm taking care of it, steadily and surely.
And I appreciate everyone's patience. I *really* do. Everyone has been really unbelievably forgiving throughout '97, and I will not forget that when it comes time to cut prices again. At the rate of media price declination, I'm predicting further cuts this summer.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:07:38 EST From: Uroborosss <Uroborosss@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Fountainhead Message-ID: <2f17c2e1.34bdc3cc@aol.com>
(this post has been oddly spaced for drama, and to annoy the hell out of everyone.)
Over last October I read a book by Ayn Rand called "The Fountainhead." I've concluded that everyone should take a peek at this book, even if it's only for a second and even if the book ends up in a trash can somewhere. Anyway, what really floored me about it was how perfectly the story outlined five basic character types - five different personalities that can all be found In Real Life. Those of you who have read the book will have an easier time understanding this post...
The Ytsejam used to have a Dominique Francon, but she seems to have disappeared. It's more fun to argue without her around anyway. :)
The Ytsejam has a few Howard Roarks, and, fingers crossed, always will.
The Ytsejam has, has had, and always will have a few thousand Peter Keatings.
But right now Ellsworth Toohey and Gail Wynand are having an argument on the Ytsejam. And that's about the greatest insult I could ever fling at Mike Bahr.
Funny how no one's mentioned that the great wars waged against Mike Bahr on this list have been started by serious musicians who write and record their own material and believe in the perpetual creativity and activity of the individual mind.
In regards to arguing with someone who's been an adult for many years, someone who became long ago the person they will be for the rest of their lives, someone whose philosophies will be with them until the day they die, I must ask questions...
Is your life so worthless and devoid of potential that you must waste it in a hopeless attempt to change something which refuses to be changed? Something incapable of adopting your logic or ever seeing things from your perspective?? Would you waste your time rearranging a perpendicular belief when there are so, so many cool licks you could be learning instead??? In your war against the Ellsworth Tooheys of the world, see that you do not end up as Ellsworth Toohey yourself, grasshopper.
Go Home And Read!!
Bafu Vai
p.s. afraid of us, hey yo dis ain'no game ta us, you strange ta us, das why we gittin dangerous, c'mon.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:20:54 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: asdf Message-ID: <199801150820.AAA00595@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Washburn" said: > >unsubscribe Washburn
Damn, I hope you mean't it... :)
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YtseCon II group photo on Web Message-ID: <199801150830.AA22114@crl.crl.com>
I scanned in the group photo from Ytsecon II back in (I think) December 1995 and put it up on my main page (www.crl.com/~vanyel). I'll be adding an index to everyone who was there within the next few days, or maybe making it clickable (if I can figure out how :)).
I know who the following people are and where they are in the photo -- if YOU were there and are not listed, please contact me. Merlo, Bafu, Bahr, Wherry, Bigman, Trey Allen, Brandon Ghiotto, Wisha, Augie, Thrak/Ross, the Chew bro's, Brian Cox, and Skadzzz.
Finally, would the last few adults leaving the Jam for warmer, more mature climes kindly cut the lights off as you leave? I'm about ready to book a flight outta here m'self, until all the kids go home. You'd think it was after Christmas and everyone got their new 'puters or something, sheesh.
-- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence vanyel@crl.com | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:46:02 -0500 From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Please Read Message-ID: <34B6544A.7D36@ix.netcom.com>
>I am making a request to all jammers: >Do you approve of this sort of behavior (i.e. the request for Mr. Bahr >to >give oral pleasure to "Head")? If you do, I will asked to be removed >from >the jam. >It is really a shame that there are such personal attacks on the jam. >I thought I found a place to discuss DT, but then something like this >happens. > >Charlie
I'm with you Charlie this is *supposed* to be a forum for OPEN discussion pertaining to DT and/or DTC. The hell with all this childish insulting BULLSHIT ! Again I say: GROW THE FUCK UP !!!! <enough>
On a serious note....Does anyone know how many subscribe to this JAM ? If so I'm curious...please post it or mail me! :)
Zildjian
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:01:08 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3459 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980115220108.006be374@powerup.com.au>
Miscellaneous people wrote to the jam:
>> > I guess what I'm trying to say, if you want tab, "real tab", then >> > you should just buy the tab books because you know that they'll be >> > correct.. > > That's entirely false. I don't think I own a tab book that is free >of error. Your only benefit to buying them is that they're bound, >and contain more songs, usually... and they've been edited, so >supposedly they should be more accurate. A good transcriptionist >will do a better job than the book since usually he's doing his work >because he has a desire to have it on paper.
Every tab book I've come across is full of errors - nothing I play from them sounds like the real thing. Especially the really fast bits, because it just seems so slow and drawn out. Just sounds like crap guitar playing. Very disappointing.
---
>Thanks! And about the latest installment of the Bahr Wars, seriously, can we >all give it a rest, people? This shit was getting old the LAST time it came >up. Can't we all just get along? :-)
Yeah, surely there's some thread we haven't recycled recently. Let's see... Metallica selling out, Queensryche selling out (didn't they do that with Empire?), Derek being gay, Kevin Moore have testicular cancer (that's why he seems to moody onstage in the Live in Tokyo vid), JM being a crack addict...
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Charlie 'Da Man' Korch wrote:
>>>It's a common humorous saying.<< > >Sorry, but I have never heard it before.
So you didn't see the trailer for GI Jane? I envy you.
At least, I think it was in the trailer... Viggo Mortensen said it, methinks... yeah... or whatever his name is...
---
>What I do disagree with is the fact that the web site leads people to >expect a shipment when it was never shipped. Your mention of Prism Records >email about the discs being shipped weeks ago... I thought it was just me >that the post office has screwed up. I sent a check in for Precious Things >and Darkest of Winters 10 months ago as well. I received PT in the mail 2 >days ago. I have yet to receive DOW or the 3 other discs I have paid for >(all checks have been cashed).
Not to flame or seem nosey or anything, but what exactly is the reason for a 10 month delay? I've heard Mike's boots (via Seven Wonders) and I'm not sure they're worth waiting 10 months for. If there's a backlog, ask for people to lend a hand. Improves goodwill among customers and more people would be willing to send cheques if they knew they'd get their purchases within a reasonable time frame.
Not trying to tell anyone how to run their business or anything. Just a suggestion.
--- In other news... hmm, no other news.
Dream Theater still haven't toured Australia yet. DISAPPOINTED!
See yis,
Spiff
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:34:21 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Please Read Message-ID: <34BE024D.EF24090E@sydney.net>
Dave wrote:
> I'm with you Charlie this is *supposed* to be a forum for OPEN > discussion pertaining to DT and/or DTC. The hell with all this childish > insulting BULLSHIT ! Again I say: GROW THE FUCK UP !!!! > <enough>
Your choice of words is only likely to encourage such behaivour. Why don't you and Charlie start your own goody two shoes list together you can moderate it and it will be as exciting as watching paint dry.
graham
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:00:45 +0100 (MET) From: Adam Bodnar <ytsejam@falcon.sch.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: subscribe problem Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980115135902.5309A-100000@falcon.sch.bme.hu>
Please help me, guys!
I sent the subscription letter a thousand times, but I got nothing. Maybe it's a problem, that my login name is ytsejam...Can anybody help me via private-mail since I CANNOT read the list...:(
o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o | "That Steve Vai, what a nice little boy!" | | Adam Bodnar | o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 09:24:26 -0500 From: jpenna@trc.tosco.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: neat little personal trivia Message-ID: <9801158848.AA884874617@mailrelay.trc.tosco.com>
greetings all,
i don't post much, but i enjoy keeping up on all the DT stuff. anyway, i was checking out the recent bio on the DT website. as it turns out, i share the exact birthday, January 24, 1967, with John Myung -- ain't that cool... and, as a matter of fact, my name is John as well.
that's it. thought that was a cool "holy shit" moment.
L8R
--JP the mad immortal man...
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:57:16 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Quadrupple spacing Message-ID: <19980115145716.15209.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Why not hit the return key once perhaps, everyone else seems >to be able to manage that :) >And the 50 or so signature, what about that ? > >graham > The point is that now, for some odd reason that I cannot discern, hot mail is inputting one extra empty line for every time you push the return key. i.e. if you push it once, it treats it like you pushed it twice, if you push it twice, it gives it four, three would be six, etc.
Why that is, I have no idea.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:44:10 -0500 From: Shawn Carroll <carrolls@psi.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bahr wars... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980115104407.009896d0@p3.herndon.psi.com>
Brandon Wrote:
>I was talking with the E-man (who hardly ever posts anymore to the jam >because he is a whore) about this a few months ago and he suggested that >Mike's CD service would be that much better if he charged us a few extra >bucks for priority mail instead of his usual first class mail. This would >definitely speed things up and perhaps many of the shipped CDs would not >get lost in the mail. Mike sent me a Rush CD at least twice without it >ever coming to my door. He then tried priority and it came within a couple >of days. > >So perhaps this is one reason why there are delays. > > >Brandon >
I am going to disagree with you here... I know that the post office is screwed up, but come on. Prism Records told ME that my discs were shipped two or three times as well before I got I received my PT disc. The same with Adam who I originally replied to.
Prism Records is just saying that the discs are being shippped to keep people from blowing up. If the post office is losing this many Dream Theater cd's I'd like to see the pile of discs at USPS warehouse... You could carry that many away with a dump truck. Besides, what are the odds that your friend's Rush discs where lost not once but twice, similar to my case as well as Adam's and I'm sure many others???
I wish that Prism would send out at least something that stated "Look, we screwed up here. Everyone should expect discs in 6 more weeks." Again, what kind of a business bills customers 10 months before they receive a product?
Shawn
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