YTSEJAM Digest 3478
Today's Topics:
1) You can't always get what you want.
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
2) dammit all anyway
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
4) bass solos
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
5) The legality of copying
by Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com>
6) Re: Improv Thread
by "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) Re: random schtuff...
by "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
8) Re: GENESIS????
by "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) re: petitions
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
10) DT petition
by Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
11) Kansas?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
12) LitS funny voice
by Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br>
13) kevin moore (fwd)
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
14) Re: LitS funny voice
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477
by Brian <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
16) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: LitS funny voice
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
17) Jason's solos / genesis
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
18) 12-string guitar question (NDTC)
by CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:50:03 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You can't always get what you want.
Message-ID: <34C4D5BB.237C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Leave Rogerio the fuck alone wrote:
> P.S.: It's funny that even though roughly 50% of the posts are
> off-topic, most people come bashing *ME*. Hey, I'm only part of a
> whole, people.
But it's so much fun bashing *YOU* !! It makes me feel superior :)
For example, hehehehe
That PS had absolutely NOTHING to do with DTC!!! :)
>> Ok, time to be serious now: there's a huge difference between
>> mailing someone privately or sending a message to a public forum.
> yeah, restating information that's already been stated many times is
> something that should be done on private email.
You mean like the above reply you sent to the jam, or my reply to you?
Ok, now I understand :)
To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion...
>> BTW, when I feel necessary, I send some useless comments. :-)
> ..and don't bother to answer when someone replies to them...
Maybe he just doesn't like you :) I wonder why...Could it be the
disection of every single line in his post?
> That [drivel mercifully snipped] was long, I'm not gonna proof-read it.
Too busy analyzing other people's shit to look at your own?
Ok, I'll stop pushing buttons now... Deal? :)
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dammit all anyway Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980120115117.1261B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> > Subject: Re: Jon Finn Group!!! (http://www.tiac.net/users/jonfinn ) > Dangit. Sorry... Miss sent this one. Supposed to go to bostonjam, not the ytsejam. My apologies. Well... sort of, I did get my second EOJ out of the deal. :-)
-jeremy
PS Better add this line, or my sig will be longer than my message...for those of you who care about that sort of thing.
+=====================================================================+ Every man, you see, is born beneath the sword Damocles, For young and old are all alive on that next beat on which we ride, And that beat is such a fragile thing, in both old men and youthful king, And that beat stands all alone, you see, between us and black eternity, And until that time, when death won't wait, let each man rage against, his fate.-- Savatage _The Wake of Magellan_ +=====================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:59:48 -0200 (EDT) From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980120155809.17718B-100000@POCAHONTAS>
hey,
> >I have come to believe that Fish is DEFINITELY THE BEST vocalist/ > >songwriter to ever come out of Scotland. >I'd say Ian Anderson, but maybe that's just me... >Brian "Catfish Rising" Henderson
heheheh Not just you, count with me !!!:)
Daniel
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:24:28 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: bass solos Message-ID: <34C4DDCC.2F1C@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Alexis:
> Hi people! I wanted to mention a band where I think bass solos might be > bass solos in the way that the original post was referring to: > > The Steve Morse Band > > Dave LaRue definitely rules, and the solos are like little compositions and > not fills. Let's see if I got this one right! Bye!
You did! /me listens to Weekend Overdrive (off Southern Steel). /me considers LaRue whatever the heck LaRue is doing from 1:30 for about 30 seconds, to be soloing :)
I recall a bass solo off Bill Bruford's One of a Kind which just blew me the fuck away. There's one song on there (I belive it was Travels with myself & someone else) where the bass just completely rips!!! Anyone else have this album and know what the heck I'm talking about? :)
I had a chance to pick the album up in 1978 when it was first released and to see these guys perform live at the original Lupo's (before it moved to the location at which many have probably seen DT). Jeff Berlin is one sick bass player!! I HIGHLY recommened this album to prog fusion heads :) It's all instrumental, there's some jazz influences in there (Nick, you WILL listen to it anyways :). It's got Holdsworth on guitar and really is a must have for orthodox followers of the Holdsworthian religion :)
Jeff's got a pretty cool site at http://www.playerschool.com/music-ed/
Player's School was apparently founded by Jeff.
Regards,
Jon
*------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*
"I can't look the other way, just to say out of harm's way" - Spock's Beard
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:09:48 -0500 From: Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The legality of copying Message-ID: <4506.980120@pressroom.com>
>I'm the guy who asked for the CD-R of the Echolyn CD. Here's the scoop on >the whole thing. IT IS PERFECTLY !@# LEGAL AND NEITHER ECHOLYN OR SONY CAN >DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF IT IS done (sorry about the caps lock accident, but >it's late and I don't want to retype this) for purely personal use and not >for retail sale. It's legal to rent a vidoe from blockbuster and tape it
That is only true if you own a copy and make a copy for your own use. (Your Blockbuster example is wrong. You don't own the video. You can't legally make a copy for your own use.) If you want to put your cassettes on CD-R for your own use, there isn't a problem. It is when you give them to other people when it becomes a problem. This is what the other guy was talking about.
>As to the guy who said that they had lost respect for the band, most of the >members are actually very nice guys (espc Brett), but Chris Buszby seems to >be a major dick. See the transcript of his dealings with the Powermad >festival for details.
I met Chris and thought the exact opposite. He was very friendly and glad that I came to see FG. I don't know what he said about PowerMad, but I don't think FG would have been a good fit considering the other bands there.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer There is a theory which states that if anyone "The Longshot" discovers what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be Longshot@Pressroom.com replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened -Douglas Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:30:22 -0600 From: "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Improv Thread Message-ID: <34c4df2e4ed2003@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199801170731.XAA14986@odin.ax.com> from ytsejam@ax.com: > I merely fail to justify > comparing an improvised solo from the guys in Pearl Jam to an > improvised solo from MchLaughlin, Coltrane, Parker, Davis, etc... > it's not an elitist thing. It's a matter of respect.
Well, personally the former would do a lot more for me than the latter, but that's a personal preference.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "You know me, Marge. I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals flaming." - Homer Simpson "Cloning is just reproduction without naked people." - James Mohr "I'm bored. Let's screw." - Drew Pauley ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:32:02 -0600 From: "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: random schtuff... Message-ID: <34c4df910048008@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <199801181734.MAA10486@umbc8.umbc.edu> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> No way, dude. Minnie Driver's yummy. That's not sexist--it's just true. > :)
I'd have to agree, and she's a good actress too. ;-) Everybody should check her out in "Sleepers" and "Grosse Pointe Blank" - especially "Sleepers." Disturbing movie, especially in that it's based on a true story, but *excellent* stuff, and Driver's performance is really good. It's also about the only movie where Brad Pitt doesn't make me puke. Of course, he's not really on-screen enough to ruin it. On the subject of movies, by the way, "Titanic" was much better than expected, and it DiCaprio's best performance. That doesn't say much, I don't really like him, but it's an excellent movie...and hands down the best date movie of all time. Every woman in the theater, and many of the men, were crying and hanging on for dear life to their significant other by the end of the flick.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "You know me, Marge. I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals flaming." - Homer Simpson "Cloning is just reproduction without naked people." - James Mohr "I'm bored. Let's screw." - Drew Pauley ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:33:50 -0600 From: "Schindler Against the Transportation Nazis" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: GENESIS???? Message-ID: <34c4dffe0048013@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <34B8BC50.23A@ix.netcom.com> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> Dan, try "A Trick of the Tail" if you want to hear prog-Genisis. As > Matt states > above....their latter stuff was pop radio bullshit.
Well, I like the later stuff much better...oh well. *shrug* You're right, though, in that if all you like is prog you won't like later Genesis.
-Brian
******************************************************************************** "You know me, Marge. I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals flaming." - Homer Simpson "Cloning is just reproduction without naked people." - James Mohr "I'm bored. Let's screw." - Drew Pauley ******************************************************************************** Coleridge on IRC
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:58:13 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: petitions Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980120125813.0079fab0@ici.net>
>>There was a petition for ACOS, right? >>Discuss if you will. > >Yes there was. And, there was another one for releasing FII. So, >I'm asking do we the jammers want to bug DT's management all the >time with our petitions? :)
Good point, and exactly what I was afraid of with the FII studio petition. The way I see it, the ACOS petition was a great example of the fans showing support for a band, and the record company listening. The FII petition was motivated (I think) more by the fact that the method had already worked before than about it actually being a good idea. In essence, every time we petition for something new, we diminish the inherent value of the ACOS petition. At some point, the record company is going to realize that it's not in their best interest to keep listening to us. :)
The other point regards fighting the fights that need fighting. ACOS was never going to be recorded, so we petitioned and got it done. The FII sessions were going to happen anyway (eventually); the petition just got them moving. The difference here is that the unreleased songs are already slated/out as B-sides, and it's all but certain that Met II is going to be recorded and released on the next album anyway. So, a petition to get the material released would be pointless, since it's already *going* to be released.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:44:13 -0200 From: Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT petition Message-ID: <E093B0819442D111AD45002048089A6F3BF52E@itapoa.datasul.com.br>
Pat Sullivan wrote: "...So, a petition to get the material released would be pointless, since it's already *going* to be released..."
Another point: In a recent JLB interview for a brazilian magazine, he didn't seem to be so happy with that internet petition. When the magazine asked about how that petition influenced, JLB said that DT never will speed up their recording work only because their fans want new CDs or songs. JLB said they (DT) don't want to release some bad quality or unfinished songs, stealing money from their fans, only because the recording company or a fans' petition is asking for this.
I think it's a very professional way of thinking... Sure all the fans would like to have new DT songs every month (or day!!!), but every song demands writing, jamming, rehearsing and recording time. And I'm sure that all DT members want to release the best works that they can do!!!
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:44:48 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com, fates@tier.net Subject: Kansas? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980120104448.0069c1d8@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Has anyone out there heard "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas? Any opinions on it?
Thanks, BH
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:04:24 -0200 From: Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva <bre15253@datasul.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LitS funny voice Message-ID: <E093B0819442D111AD45002048089A6F3BF52F@itapoa.datasul.com.br>
During FII version of LitS, at 1:14/1:15, there's a funny part... Someone repeats a sentence from the lyrics with a very funny voice (" sTeP rIgHt Up FoLkS "). Does anybody know who sings this piece??? Is it MP???
Parffit Jim Balsanelli
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:49:21 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: voices@arastar.com Subject: kevin moore (fwd) Message-ID: <R3Qx0MlyZgPW092yn@ime.usp.br>
Ok. I haven't checked it yet, but I'll do so as soon as possible.
[]s, Roger...
-------- Forwarded message -------- Newsgroups: alt.music.dream-theater Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:48:45 +1100 ]From: num37@projectx.com.au Subject: kevin moore
I'm not sure if anyone saw this, (taken from Scream Webzine last month):
CHROMA KEY is the name of the new band formed by ex-Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore. The band has a full album recorded, entitled "Dead Air For Radios", and the band is currently shopping for a deal in Europe. (December 15th, 1997)
The address, just in case you don't believe me:
http://www.scream.no/news/newsdec97.html
Regards, The Chairman
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:48:45 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: LitS funny voice Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980120174439.691A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva wrote:
> During FII version of LitS, at 1:14/1:15, there's a funny part... > Someone repeats a sentence from the lyrics with a very funny voice (" > sTeP rIgHt Up FoLkS "). > Does anybody know who sings this piece??? Is it MP???
I don't know. But isn't it "is that guy wearing a blouse"?? (Oh, no! Not again! :-)) ).
But, on a more serious note, I think that the voices at the beginning of "Burning My Soul" are done by LaBrie. Someone here mentioned they were done by Portnoy. Is there a definitive answer to this one?? Oh, Lord of the Drummers (aka Portnoy), are You reading?
> Parffit Jim Balsanelli
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:05 -0500 From: Brian <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980120155305.0070169c@postoffice.ptd.net>
At 08:39 AM 1/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >Brian spoke thusly: > >>We all REALLY WANT TO HEAR MET II ASAP, right? >..(snippety snip)... >>Well . . . >>There was a petition for ACOS, right? >>Discuss if you will. > >Yes there was. And, there was another one for releasing FII. So, >I'm asking do we the jammers want to bug DT's management all the >time with our petitions? :)
You have a point.
cArPe DiEm, bRiAn
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:25:36 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: LitS funny voice Message-ID: <4A256592.007B0BF4.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>During FII version of LitS, at 1:14/1:15, there's a funny part... >Someone repeats a sentence from the lyrics with a very funny voice (" >sTeP rIgHt Up FoLkS "). >Does anybody know who sings this piece??? Is it MP???
I think you mean JLMB and not 'Lines' ? Yep we have this thread running a while back too :) IMO it is those words and MP voice.
graham
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:33:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jason's solos / genesis Message-ID: <199801202129.QAA25970@bertelsmanncis.com>
from paul: >I never really thought bass solos would be particularly interesting >either, until I saw Metallica on part of the Evening With 'Tallica
yikes. don't get me wrong, i was weaned on the teats of mother metallica and could recite to you every nuance of lightning, puppets, and justice on demand, but jason's solos are horrible. Sure, you can get people bobbing their heads with a kick drum and a whistle, but that ain't exactly saying much. he spends several interminable minutes pounding away on the e-string, throwing in a few f's and g's for good measure, i guess, but that's no bass solo--that's a metallica song without the other instruments. and when he muddies his way through an attempt at being melodic... oof. like i said, he's fine for what he does, he's the right bass player for metallica, and his stuff with flotsam (no place for disgrace, for example) is great. but leave the solo's alone, jason.
(about genesis): >to be frank with you all....it really sucks!!! So I don't know where >some of the people here get there info from but please don't ruin it for >the rest of us. Later.
do your homework, young man! step 1--go buy "selling england by the pound." step 2--sell back "calling all stations" to the chump record store that takes it. step 3--eat your words.
and--NEW ON THE UNDEROOS FRONT!!! Majesty logo crotchless underwear! (must be 18 or over to purchase)
--MATt
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:44:20 From: CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 12-string guitar question (NDTC) Message-ID: <19980120214421.8062.qmail@www07.netaddress.usa.net>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I'm sorry about the attachment, but I don't really want to type this again. I originally sent this to a guy I know on AOL who is a prog fan but not a prog-metal fan. There's nothing about him in the letter, so it's fine with him. An additional note: I also like JP's 12-string style. I didn't include that in the e-mail to him because he hasn't heard much DT. Unless you feel your response will be of interest to most other people on the Jam, send me a private response. ------------NetAddress--caTVSu2844 Content-Type: text/plain; name="twelve.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="twelve.txt"
Subj: 12-string guitar question Date: 98-01-20 11:45:00 EST ]From: Derfelt To: Biffyshrew
You seem to be someone who is very knowledgable about music in general, so I thought I'd ask your advice for this one. (that and the usa.net address that I use for the Dream Theater mailing list (most of them are at least amateur musicians, and some are even professionals) isn't working for some odd reason) The question is: which 12-string guitar should I buy? I've found there to be four types, and they generally have four prices. One: Takamine acoustic/electric 12-string. Price: $1300. Out of the question. Two: Takamine or Guild acoustic 12-string. Price: $460-480. More in my price range, but at the very top of it. Three: acoustic 12-string whose maker's name escapes me. Price: $360. More in the middle of my price range, but probably not the same quality as Type Two. (probably of lesser quality) Four: Cort acoustic 12-string. Price $260. Obviously at the lower end of my price range and probably the quality scale. Which one do you think I should buy? I have $! ! 200 which a relative gave me as a Christmas gift and around $320 in my savings account, plus around $45 that I could use to buy strings or something like that. So, the maximum I could spend on the guitar would be around $500. Fairly obviously, I'm going to be aiming for a 12-string style similar to that of Ian Anderson (if I can get that good) or Greg Lake (to a lesser degree; he's good, but not my favorite). Can you give me some advice? ------------NetAddress--caTVSu2844--
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