YTSEJAM Digest 3481
Today's Topics:
1) WAYN and stuff
by Loren <lcaler@flash.net>
2) You're killing the messamger, folks.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
3) Jaco, bass solos
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
4) CD-R copies
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Re: LitS funny voice
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Re: me happy/sad
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
7) NDTC - I need a .mp3 of...
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
8) Re: I Appologize for Asking again
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: CD-R copies
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: CD-R copies
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
11) Re: mp3
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
12) Finneus, Echolyn, Chris, and copying their CDs
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) SF/fantasy & Glen Cook
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) Kansas' Freaks of Nature
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
15) UNRELEASED TRACKS FROM FII
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
16) Re: UNRELEASED TRACKS FROM FII
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
17) new cds
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Loren <lcaler@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WAYN and stuff
Message-ID: <199801210433.WAA18768@endeavor.flash.net>
Is there a CD with the unreleased song WAYN? I heard the .ra file
and again over the PA system before a show, and I LOVE it!!! I already
ordered the Hollow Years single with TWIUTB (hasn't come yet, but.....), are
there any other CD's that I can get some un-released FII stuff?
I haven't had a chance to post about the JLB/pot thing (I know the
thread is kinda dead), but my feeling are....WHO CARES? Some people on
here make it sound like he's an addict or something. I HIGHLY doubt that,
or else it would reflect on his performance, and I have never seen DT in
better shape.
Some questions about different bands. I want to get some new CD's
but want some reviews and reccomendations first.
Symp. X - Which album is better?
Angra - I know nothing about them. Me being a HUGE DT fan, what album
should I start with?
Shadow Gallery - I've heard different things about them. One friend tells
me I have to get this, others say it borders cheesey. I'm not into the
screaming 80's metal sound, and thats the impression I've been getting about
them. Any other comments?
King Crimson - I only have Thrak. I LOVE it! But then I heard
ThrackAttack, and I didn't understand it. WAY too out there for my liking.
I heard Red was a good album. What's that genre like? And whats the other
albums like Discipline and Beat like?
Thats it for now!
-Loren
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:35:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You're killing the messamger, folks.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980120232943.3416G-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
Look, guys.
There's no reason to lash out at *me* for telling you about the
message *I* got from echolyn. You don't like it? Talk to them.
As for the progday (not powermad) situation, you have the *whole*
thing out of line (and up your ass, since it's clear you really don't have
a clear understanding of what happened), i suggest you email Ghost,
Finneus's Public Relations guy at qghost@fast.net - he can give you a much
better idea of what happened than i can, and then you can make your own
decision.
Whether *any* of you choose to make a digital reproduction of
Echolyn material is up to you. Keep in mind that you *are* breaking the
law, no matter what the intentions are.
Oh, one more thing: To the guy who said Chris 'the business man'
is an asshole: to pass a judgement over someone that you do not know even
remotely is an attestment to your immaturity. next time you may want to
look a little farther at the "true" facts before you come up with such a
nieve position.
* * * * * * * *
e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com
erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/
offical lemur voice homepage:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
maintainer of the genesis frequently asked questions list:
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/genesis/genesis-faq.htm
(c) 1998 Erotomania, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:58:14 +1100
From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jaco, bass solos
Message-ID: <002201bd2629$2ee33a00$87384e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
I know this is going to piss a lot of people off, but what the hell :).
Personally, I think Jaco is one of the few bass players who is able to
incorporate lots of notes but still make it groove and hence provide the
fundamental role of the bass. I find that lots of bass players (especially
those who started of on the guitar) play lots of notes that mean nothing and
detract from the role that the bass plays in the band. For example, Billy
Sheehan is amazing technically but he doesn't move me like Jaco did. The
bass plays an important role in the band as it has both the harmony and
rhythm. Personally, I don't think that the bass is a beautiful 'solo'
instrument (although Jaco makes it almost sound that way). It's great that
there are many players out there who are trying to expand the role of the
bass but some things just don't sound good on the bass (eg tapping).
Rainer
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:38:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD-R copies
Message-ID: <199801210538.AAA06122@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> The difference is that copying to CD, MiniDisc, etc. is a digital copy, and
> therefore theoretically has no loss of definition. If you make a cassette
> copy, then someone copies that cassette, by the second or third generation
> copy, it really starts to sound bad. Digital copies do not have this
Well, thanks, but that much I know.
So, I guess the point is that echolyn/sony/whomever WANTS the music out
there, but only if it sounds REALLY BAD.
I'm glad we got that all cleared up.
seriously, I don't think I will ever be successfully convinced that there
is really enough of a difference between a digital and an analog copy that
warrants the ENCOURAGING of an analog copy and at the same time the
DISCOURAGING of a digital copy. People who do, I believe, have GREATLY
overrated the digital medium.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:56:39 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: LitS funny voice
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980121035417.3682A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, PhReEkY dEeK wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
>
> > But, on a more serious note, I think that the voices at the
> >beginning of "Burning My Soul" are done by LaBrie. Someone here mentioned
> >they were done by Portnoy. Is there a definitive answer to this one?? Oh,
>
> The Christmas CD has an outtake of the overdubs of the beginning of the
> song. It's a bunch of James LaBries all talking at once, and you can make
> out what he's saying. Some of it is pretty humorous....
Unfortunately, I don't have the XCD yet (let's pray for it to
arrive), but what I can understand from repeated listens to that beginning
is "Falling into Infinity" and "Burning My Soul". Are there more phrases??
I'm curious! At least I was right in recognizing LaBrie's voice.
> - il
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:11:17 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: me happy/sad Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980121040822.3682B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Partha S. Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> wonder what exactly they're trying to say when saying "border > on....progressive rock"?
Well, I think that the person was thinking of progressive rock. :-) Not progressive metal (or the "new-era of progressive music" as it's been called). Progressive rock: Yes, Genesis, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull etc.
> partha
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:07:22 -0600 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - I need a .mp3 of... Message-ID: <34C5909A.40E0@auburn.net>
.."Birdland" from "Heavy Weather" by Weather Report. I've got this album on 8-track tape, but my poor little 17-year-old stereo system doesn't work anymore. Can anyone point me in the right direction or help me out? I'll do my best to make it worth your while.
Thanks in advance, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:24:26 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I Appologize for Asking again Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980121042235.3682C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Donna H Clavelli wrote:
> I hope someone will be nice enough to answer this again. My mom > deleted the newsletters from the past week before I got to read them. > > In Carpe Diem, between the lines "Cherish your life while you're still > around" and "We can learn from the past," what are they singing in the > backround? I know they repeat the first line of it in The Crimson > Sunset, but I can't tell what they're saying.
I think it is "Gather ye rosebuds while ye may".
It's from poem by a romantic English (not sure if he was romantic, but must be) writer called Robert Herrick, from his poem "To the Virgins, To Make Much of Time".
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:31:18 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CD-R copies Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980121042941.3682D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> seriously, I don't think I will ever be successfully convinced that there > is really enough of a difference between a digital and an analog copy that > warrants the ENCOURAGING of an analog copy and at the same time the > DISCOURAGING of a digital copy. People who do, I believe, have GREATLY > overrated the digital medium.
Yeah, because an analog copy can sound *GOOD* after some generations, also if you have good equipment (of course, I mean *good* equipment).
> Steve Z
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CD-R copies Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980121014326.22408A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Some guru wrote: > > The difference is that copying to CD, MiniDisc, etc. is a digital copy, and > > therefore theoretically has no loss of definition.
MiniDisc. Yep. I heard that high generation copies of this sort actually start to sound BETTER. Can you believe that?? Modern technology is just so out of control these days. Wait a second... what did I just say? Somebody slap me.
Rick Audet
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:19:10 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: mp3 Message-ID: <199801210722.BAA26354@Walden.MO.NET>
> i need your help please. does anyone know of any software out there > that converts mp3 files to wav files. i have some good quality mp3 > sound files and i would like to put them on a cdr. any suggestions of > how to convert this would be greatly appreciated. thanks. Let me ditto this, too. I have the same reasons for wanting some help here. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@mo.net
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
"The best way to save face is to keep the lower part shut."
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:30:26 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Finneus, Echolyn, Chris, and copying their CDs Message-ID: <34C5A412.1F19@goodnet.com>
Be aware that it's copyright infringement every time you copy a CD, regardless of the destination media. There ain't no bones about it. Even shareware and freeware CDs are actually copyrighted, and there is often a condition attached that allows for legal duplication, but 99% of all forms of distribution are usually prohibited.
I was gonna offer a bunch of the Echolyn discs through Prism, and Syrinx even helped me compile all the source so I'd have rockin' copies of it, and I eventually got an e-mail from Chris Buzby asking me (not *telling*, but *asking* me) not to make those CDs. He didn't seem like anything other than an artist watching his butt for stray torpedoes. I figured, "fair enough", and called off the Echolyn projects. I would have liked to release them because I think there's something unique about Echolyn that nobody else has, but sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
When I read about what he did with the Powermad incident, it seems so incongruent with his fairly friendly personality from my experience, that I have to assume things were just going bad for them at that point and/or he had a frustrating week or something. I'm not denying it... it's probably all true... I just don't want people thinking this band is a bunch of dickheads who go around pimping their legal department to every music promoter in North America. There's always more to a story, always context. We may never know the true extent of all of it. I know this much: when the promoter made those CDRs, he put himself in harm's way. No band ought to refuse such promotion, but all bands have the right to if they so choose.
-- - Mike Bahr / Prism Records - durnik @ goodnet . com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SF/fantasy & Glen Cook Message-ID: <199801210801.AA23688@crl.crl.com>
(I had to speak up, since I'm the #ytsejam expert on SF and fantasy stuff.:))
Steve ("the other") Chew wrote: > ..Glen Cook. Are there any other fans of his out there?
I've read one book by him, SWORDBEARER, which I thought was somewhat disappointing style-wise (not to mention it's basically a rewrite of Michael Moorcock's Elric/Stormbringer material), but I've been told it was his first and I should continue, which I'll do eventually.
Oddly enough he was both a guest -and- a book-dealer at the SF convention I attended this past weekend (ChattaCon, basically more of a weekend party than a serious con since free beer flows all weekend (30-40 kegs!)), and it's an eerie feeling to write out a check to a well-known fantasy writer for other writers' books (Terry Pratchett and Storm Constantine, actually :)).
Let's not start any SF/fantasy threads here, but I'm always glad to discuss books via email. :)
Laser's Edge has come through with 5 CDs for me today. I can die a happy Wraeththu now. :)
-- Paul W. Cashman ICQ #4151223 | Better the pride that resides vanyel@crl.com | In a Citizen of the World www.crl.com/~vanyel | Than the pride that divides lyrics by Neil Peart ----------> When a colorful rag is unfurled
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:30:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kansas' Freaks of Nature Message-ID: <19980121093005.24419.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
>Has anyone out there heard "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas? Any opinions >on it?
>Thanks, BH Hi. I've got Freaks of Nature and though I like it very much, I have the feeling that it's not accepted by many. I think it's an attempt to go back to the early days. The production is well accomplished and they play with dexterity. We all love the old Kansas, but David Ragsdale plays better violin than Robbie Steinhardt. I'm sure many people still prefer Robbie than David even though IMHO the latter's got a better technique. I myself prefer Robbie just for melancholy. The songs seem to have been written in their early years, they have an extra that was sorely missed. I find ‘I Can Fly' very similar to ‘Icarus Borne on Wings of Steel', and some are a bit longer too. ‘Black Fathom 4' can sit comfortably with songs like ‘Magnum Opus' or ‘Closet Chronicles', really. Some songs in that CD tend to be poppier though, but the last one, 'Peaceful and Warm' is a typical Steve Walsh ballad: read beautiful, very similar to ‘Lonely Wind' or a song by Steve Walsh himself from his solo CD Dreamer Schemer from 1980 'Just How It Feels' I think it's called. There's a song by Kerry Livgren: 'Cold Grey Morning', but it's not that impressive, albeit the great voilin work! Steve Walsh's voice is definitely not what it used to be. It is raspy and I think he was struggling to reach high notes. I didn't expect a high level of singing from Steve, mainly due to the Live at the Whiskey live album, which is disappointing when compared to their Two for the Show. He is forgiven though, not everybody can be like ex-Judas Priest Rob Halford, almost 50 and still screaming like if he were a baby. Phil Ehart does a wonderful job behind the drums, but that's standard. All in all, Freaks of Nature is very very good, but most people still miss that something that made Kansas music so special. Some point out at Kerry Livgren as the final ingredient, but I think it takes more than that. I think that they wouldn't be able to peak as they did in the 70's. If you like Masque, you'll like Freaks of Nature. I hope this helps! Bye BP No Signature!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:06:57 +0000 From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNRELEASED TRACKS FROM FII Message-ID: <80256593.002C4079.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Okay guys and gals lets cut to the chase.
Can somebody e-mail me privately if they can sort out a cd-r copy of the 'unreleased' 4-5 (?) tracks from FII sessions
All I can think of is Close my Eyes, TWIUTB, Speak to Me, RTK. I'll pay any on-costs and reasonable rates.
Yours
A genuine, non-slagging, non-swearing, mature music lover.
steve A
p.s
Am I the only person who think Kyuss should have hung around and ruled the planet ?????????
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:20:45 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: UNRELEASED TRACKS FROM FII Message-ID: <34C5CBFD.EF3FE11B@sydney.net>
Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK wrote: > > Okay guys and gals lets cut to the chase. > > Can somebody e-mail me privately if they can sort out a cd-r copy of the > 'unreleased' 4-5 (?) tracks from FII sessions > > All I can think of is Close my Eyes, TWIUTB, Speak to Me, RTK. I'll pay > any on-costs and reasonable rates.
Okay 'Close My Eyes' as you say is 'Cover My Eyes' and is available as a mp3 file on the web as already mentioned here. 'The Way It Used To Be' is on the 'Hollow Years' CD single. 'Speak To Me' is on the Jap FII and again a mp3 file is on Dr.Mosh's web site. 'Raise The Knife' with vocals I have no idea, without vocals there is a version on 'Guitar Talkin' boot.
Surely you are not suggesting that some one should digitally copy these songs onto a CDR ? Blasphemy !
graham:)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:30:57 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new cds Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980121103057Z-47084@ms.Kallback.com>
I come across a cd in the store today that I'm suprised I didn't hear about on the Jam first. It's called "Angelica" and the sticker says, "Opera and rock unite in a magnificent new creation featuring David Foster, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Steve Stevens, & Dweezil Zappa." It's created and produced by a Cliff Magness. (?) It's on Atlantic, and I think they're trying to cash in on the success of TSO.
I thought it would be really good, but it's not. Imagine going to an opera and there's a kid in the back playing a Casio drum machine. Then Vai comes in for a two-mesure solo consisting of a scale run. I must say Dweezil's performance was the best.
Unless you are a Vai completist or something I would skip this disc and pick up Theion's "Theli", a proper mix of opera and rock that will punch your balls off.
I also found Kevin Gilbert's "Thud". On first listen, I like it less than Toy Matinee, but still a very good disc from our kinky departed friend.
Trevor
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