YTSEJAM Digest 3479
Today's Topics:
1) Jaco Pastorius
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
2) Copying...
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
3) Ian Anderson
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas
by mmetzger@comversens.com
5) Re: LitS funny voice
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
6) Let's get this straight
by "Gianna M Van Briesen"<gmvanbri@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
7) Jeff Berlin
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
8) Hmm.
by Laussade <Laussade@aol.com>
9) Kansas
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) RE: Jeff Berlin
by "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
11) Blockbuster tapes and Chris Buzby
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
12) In response to Pat
by "Gianna M Van Briesen"<gmvanbri@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
13) guitars... (NDTC)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
14) The DIFFERENCE!
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3478
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
16) Re: Ian Anderson
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
17) Re: Symfo City 1997 top 30
by "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@concentric.net>
18) me happy/sad
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
19) Re: GENESIS????
by "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@concentric.net>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:56:55 -0500 (EST)
From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jaco Pastorius
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980120165337.256531C-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Kicks ass. Great bassist, great soloist, was Jaco. Question, though: I am
wondering if I should get Live in NY -- Punk Jazz, considering that I
already have the Birthday Concert as well as studio-versions of almost all
the songs on the disc. So I'm wondering: anyone have it and think it is a
must-have live album or just for completists?
Great Jaco albums: The Birthday Concert, Self Titled, and Weather Report's
Heavy Weather. You'll never think bassists shouldn't solo again (if by some
freak of nature you missed Manring or Wooten).
-=-
"I'm me, it's true, shut the fuck up." -- Bill Hicks
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:06:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Copying...
Message-ID: <199801202206.QAA10670@telepath.com>
> Why "quite another?" It's JUST a copy. If I have a CD of "Suffocating
> the Bloom" and my friend ONLY has minidisc--walkman, home, car,
> EVERYTHING, and I bring my CD player and CD to his house and copy it onto
> minidisc have I done any worse than make a cassette copy? And if so,
> HOW? If you could EXPLAIN the difference I think many of us would be a
> little less confused.
The difference is that copying to CD, MiniDisc, etc. is a digital copy, and
therefore theoretically has no loss of definition. If you make a cassette
copy, then someone copies that cassette, by the second or third generation
copy, it really starts to sound bad. Digital copies do not have this
problem. That's why the record companies all fought DAT when it first came
out, and succeeded in making it too expensive to enter the consumer
electronics market. They've tried to do the same to MiniDisc, etc. with
varying success.
>I'm the guy who asked for the CD-R of the Echolyn CD. Here's the scoop on
>the whole thing. IT IS PERFECTLY !@# LEGAL AND NEITHER ECHOLYN OR SONY CAN
>DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IF IT IS done (sorry about the caps lock accident, but
>it's late and I don't want to retype this) for purely personal use and not
>for retail sale. It's legal to rent a vidoe from blockbuster and tape it
>off for you rown private home use. It's legal to tape a cassette tape and
>dub it to another tape for your own home use
Actually, you couldn't be more incorrect. *ALL* prerecorded material is
copyrighted by the artist and/or the publisher, depending upon their
contract. *ANY* copying is a violation of copyright law. Copying for
"private home" use is still against the law. Now that doesn't mean that
Sony's lawyers or the FBI will come beating on your door, although it can
and has happened. Frankly, I could care less whether anyone is copying
stuff, but I would hate for people to believe that they're not breaking any
laws when, in fact, they are.
Chad Mitchell
"Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their
clients to plant vines."
-- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:13:42 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ian Anderson
Message-ID: <34C52196.446B@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
>>I'd say Ian Anderson, but maybe that's just me...
>>Brian "Catfish Rising" Henderson
> heheheh Not just you, count with me !!!:)
> Daniel
And then there were three... oops, wrong thread
/me skates away on the thin ice of the new day :)
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| Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:25:24 -0500
From: mmetzger@comversens.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas
Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9FE2B47D@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Has anyone out there heard "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas?
>> Any opinions on it?
>>
>> Thanks, BH
Its for sale. $8 US Postpaid. 'Nuff said ??
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:41:33 -0500 (EST)
From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: LitS funny voice
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980120172614.23246B-100000@rac8.wam.umd.edu>
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva wrote:
1998, Parffit Jim Balsanelli da Silva wrote:
> During FII version of LitS, at 1:14/1:15, there's a funny part...
> Someone repeats a sentence from the lyrics with a very funny voice ("
> sTeP rIgHt Up FoLkS ").
> Does anybody know who sings this piece??? Is it MP???
OK, well, actually, I think the song is called "Just Let Me Breathe."
I don't know where this is from (sounds like a sample from a cartoon),
but I don't think that it's being said in ThAt KrAzY tEkKnO RaVe
WrItInG. That kind of stuff should only be reserved for RaVeZ and selling
kewl vintaj analog synthesizerz d00d!! (and email headers :))
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> But, on a more serious note, I think that the voices at the
>beginning of "Burning My Soul" are done by LaBrie. Someone here mentioned
>they were done by Portnoy. Is there a definitive answer to this one?? Oh,
The Christmas CD has an outtake of the overdubs of the beginning of the
song. It's a bunch of James LaBries all talking at once, and you can make
out what he's saying. Some of it is pretty humorous....
- il
No bass, no peace /\
Know bass, know peace /\/ \ /\ /\
-- /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\ /
"For it's together we'll rise above..." /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/
- DnC / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. \.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:59:36 -0600
From: "Gianna M Van Briesen"<gmvanbri@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let's get this straight
Message-ID: <86256592.004C6612.00@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
Hi all DT fans,
This is my first time writing in. I was at the DT concert at Jaxx in
Springfield, VA a few weeks ago and it was kick ass! The adrenalin flow wa
so incredible that I was determined to get up front! Actually, I had my
mind set months before that I would get up front and meet them. Well, I am
the mystery girl, OK? And it was respectable how I got up. Let's clarify
a few thing. I didn't "grope " any men but if I did let's just say I'm
sure it's not often that they got copped a feel by someone who looks like
me. Second, I did not ask the singer to sign my breast after the show, so
whomever the creep is that said that is lying through his teeth. How would
he know anyway? Was he following my every step? Please!
I did meet the singer, whom I thought was arrogant. I am sure that women
throw themselves at him and guys worship the hell out of DT for their
talent but it's obvious that he is quite conceited. It reeked through his
pores and out his ears from his swollen head. What a stink! He seems to
me the kind of guy that got picked on in school so he annointed himself
superior to others as a defense mech. Jerk.
But, alas, time to go back to work. Or actually, to begin to work. Just
wanted to get it straight.
Gia
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:41:03 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jeff Berlin
Message-ID: <85256592.007C867B.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
>>I recall a bass solo off Bill Bruford's One of a Kind which just blew me
the fuck away. There's one song on there (I belive it was Travels with
myself & someone else) where the bass just completely rips!!! Anyone
else have this album and know what the heck I'm talking about? :)<<
That was Jeff Berlin on bass. He is one of the baddest bass players on the
face of the earth.
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:43:17 EST
From: Laussade <Laussade@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmm.
Message-ID: <514a707c.34c52888@aol.com>
Come on. One of you people has gotta want an original copy of Precious Things
(#23 <wink wink>). Mail me privately about it, cuz I'm not subbed to the jam.
Adios.
Head
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:50:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Kansas
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980120174804.13278T-100000@bdmserver>
Brian wrote:
>Has anyone out there heard "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas? Any opinions
>on it?
This was their most recent new release. I think it is some of their best
stuff they have put out in quite awhile. Come to think of it I need to
listen to this disc again. Its been quite awhile... How to describe it?
Probably Progressive AOR if that is a category. If you expect 10 minute
songs then dont get it.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|===================================================================|
| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:47:08 -0400
From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Jeff Berlin
Message-ID: <85256592.007CFF56.00@ATLMAIL.IBMUS2.IBM.COM>
Jon
>I had a chance to pick the album up in 1978 when it was first released
and to see these guys perform live at the original Lupo's (before it
moved to the location at which many have probably seen DT). Jeff Berlin
is one sick bass player!! I HIGHLY recommened this album to prog fusion
heads :) It's all instrumental, there's some jazz influences in there
(Nick, you WILL listen to it anyways :). It's got Holdsworth on guitar
and really is a must have for orthodox followers of the Holdsworthian
religion :)<
Sorry that I didn't read the rest of your post before commenting. I was so
excited seeing that others new of Bruford's One of a Kind that I had to
respond immediately. I wish I was lucky enough to see them play back in
'78. That must have been the best.
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:53:35 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blockbuster tapes and Chris Buzby
Message-ID: <l03130300b0ead7504734@[128.252.105.105]>
Hello again,
I could have been wrong about the blockbuster example, but I was
told otherwise by a lawyer friend of mine a couple of years ago, but I may
not remember all of the details correctly or he may (me too) have been full
of shit.
I emailed Brett in Almost Always (formerly called Still) and he was VERY
polite in his reply. He offered much information about both Amost Always
albums and he said that they still have as the World...shirts for sale.
I emailed Chris Buzby about buying a Fineus Gauge CD three times and I
never recieved any reply. The impression of him being a dick comes not
from any personal experiece (so take all of this with a grain of salt) but
from reading the transcription of his dealings with the organizer of the
powermad festival. I do admit that the organizer screwed up by making 10
promotional use only CD-R's of the Powermad lineup including one track from
More Once More without Chris's permission (or any of the other bands
either), but Chris's veheminent response was WAY out of line. His choice
of language was somewhat insulting and rude. He then demanded that all of
the CD-R's be destroyed immediatly, that FG take a substantial pay hike for
playing, get all of their accomodations paid for, get a much longer set,
and have the organizer make a public and humiliating apology for illegally
pirating FG's muisc with deliberate and malicious intent and refunding the
patrons money for FG's absence. Chris demanded that he himself be allowed
to write the apology.
His demands become ever more insane and nothing that the organizer
offered to rectify the situation was good enough for Chris, until the
organizer decided that FG was too difficult to work with and dropped them.
Then Chris became VERY willing to cut a deal, but the PM dude had simply
had enough. I do agree with Chris that the guy should have asked first
BUT, the Cd's were only for promotional use and not for sale. It was free
advertisement for a band (which any band knows is worth more than money),
and let's face it Finneus Guage is just too extreme to ever make it
anywhere beyond the club scene without festivals like these so I think that
Chris's ego, coupled with a paranoia stemming from the Sony fiasco led
directly to FG being dropped and he is going to really hurt the band
because of antics such as these.
These transcripts can be found on the FG homepage.
I still like Chris the keyboard player and songwriter, Chris the person may
be an OK guy, but Chris the businessman is a dickhead.
my 2 undervalued pieces of copper,
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the
priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins
again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these
sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan,
Secret Life
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:40:17 -0600
From: "Gianna M Van Briesen"<gmvanbri@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In response to Pat
Message-ID: <86256592.005B7E87.00@crnotes.cca.rockwell.com>
In response to Pat:
If I am the girl he is speaking of, then FUCK OFF. You are obviously some
stupid bitch who thinks that an aggressive woman must be a slut. Go back
to the kitchen.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:16:18 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: guitars... (NDTC)
Message-ID: <34C53042.E82F8F7D@ameritech.net>
I have zero knowledge about guitars or other musical instruments, but
have been entertaining the idea of getting an electric guitar to mess
around with, and learn on.
Any suggestions as to what I should get? I'm looking to keep it fairly
cheap here.....
Thanks in advance,
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:28:52 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The DIFFERENCE!
Message-ID: <v0153050fb0eae0471ece@[209.50.100.143]>
The difference in the two media types is that Cds are round shaped discs,
which could be used as frisbees and could possibly be dangerous. Echolyn
does not want their name on anything that could slash somebody's throat
with a quick flick of the wrist. Tapes are made of plastic, and too bulky
to really be of any harm.
>>I'll pay for media and recording time to convert the media.
That would be buying, which means someone would be selling.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:23:50 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3478
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980121092350.006c1e1c@powerup.com.au>
Brian did write:
>I'd have to agree, and she's a good actress too. ;-) Everybody should
check her
>out in "Sleepers" and "Grosse Pointe Blank" - especially "Sleepers."
Disturbing
>movie, especially in that it's based on a true story, but *excellent*
stuff, and
>Driver's performance is really good. It's also about the only movie where
Brad
>Pitt doesn't make me puke. Of course, he's not really on-screen enough to
ruin
>it. On the subject of movies, by the way, "Titanic" was much better than
>expected, and it DiCaprio's best performance. That doesn't say much, I don't
>really like him, but it's an excellent movie...and hands down the best date
>movie of all time. Every woman in the theater, and many of the men, were
crying
>and hanging on for dear life to their significant other by the end of the
flick.
I thought "Sleepers" was one of the most disappointing films in years. As
far as I know, it's not based on a true story - there was a lot of
controversy about whether it was or not, what with the author of the novel
claiming that it was, but there apparently was no record of any court case
being held that was similar to what was portrayed in the book. I thought
Brad Pitt was quite poor, definately not his best work (see Seven for
this). The scene where Robert De Niro's character finds out about what
happened to the kids - the shot of his face is almost heartbreaking, the
best part of the movie.
Oh, and I wouldn't call "Titanic" DiCaprio's best performance - "What's
Eating Gilbert Grape?" is the film to see for this. Astonishing performance.
Anyway, this should really be in a movie newsgroup or something, but I just
had to mention my opinions on it.
Re: Genesis, I bought "Seconds Out" last year some time and I still haven't
finished listening to it. Starts out ok, but it just ends up boring the
shit out me. The only other album I've heard is "Invisible Touch", which
is very good.
Tra
Spiff
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:34:12 PST
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ian Anderson
Message-ID: <19980120233413.25537.qmail@hotmail.com>
>And then there were three... oops, wrong thread
Oh, no, it's okay. All you have to do is also post this to Paperlate,
and you'll be fine. :-)
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a
kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"I'm the Firestarter, twisted Firestarter."
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"I dont think thereshould be smiling in rock n' roll. If you smile
while you play your instrument, it should be taken from you and
smashed."-Marylin Manson
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:51:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Symfo City 1997 top 30
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980120185111.4297G-100000@mariner.cris.com>
two things. Yes Open your eyes is on that list? A shame, I think OYE is a
weak effort. I thought Genesis Calling all stations was better and that
seems weak compared to old genesis of the 70s. but more importantly, what
is this prog radio station that this came from? Can somebody send details
to the list?
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:09:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: me happy/sad
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980120190016.3827A-100000@moose>
happy cause i scored me another apsog, a promo disc which my school's
paper reviewed back in september and has apparently been lying around
since then, and since i figured no one else would grab it.....
had a long paragraph on the back, in which it drew no less than three
parallels between Fates and Rush, which I found overkillish, mentioned
that "Kevin Moore from Dream Theater was recruited for his expertise on
keyboards" (from, not formerly of) and it had this very interesting
sentence
"parts of the compositions are reminiscent of vintage Fates
Warning from the No Exit or Parallels period (me say, what happened to
perfect symmetry?) , while other sections border on industrial,
progressive rock, or even classical."
wonder what exactly they're trying to say when saying "border
on....progressive rock"?
anyway, guess what I found out came within a mile of my apartment without
me going to see it? Greatful Dead tunes performed jazz style by a band led
by Billy Cobham, with ex weather report bassist (the guy that wasn't Jaco)
Alphonse Johnson (i think that's the guy's last name), ex-Dixie Dreg T.
Levitz, and a coupla others from bands i've seen held in high regard on
the jam......might have been interesting......too bad i found out about
the day after the show......
partha
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "@@Damon Fibraio" <Damon74@concentric.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: GENESIS????
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980120185920.4297H-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Genesis was a progressive rock band in the 70s. For proof, try the
following Cds: Foxtrot, selling England by the Pound, The Lamb Lies down
on Broadway, A Trick of the Trail, and Wind and Wuthering. Seconds Out is
a double live CD as are Three Sides Live. Duke and And then there were
three are good but less progressive. Abacab Genesis, invisible touch and
we can't dance are more commercial. The first three genesis cds, From
Genesis to revelation, which I don't own by the way, Tresspass and Nursery
Cryme are other to consider. Try those out before ssaying that Genesis
sucks.
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