YTSEJAM Digest 3483
Today's Topics:
1) CD-R ad infinitum
by Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
2) Re: The Fire Fans the Flames started by a Madsman
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
3) Genesis
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Drum Poll '97
by mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
5) some replies...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
6) Trial Of Tears tingles
by AL <al@isd.net>
7) the front row
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
8) Bass solos (again!)
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
9) mp3 of to live forever
by Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
10) Re: Favorite Guitar Solos Anyone?
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) bass galore
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
13) Re: Favorite Guitar Solos anyone? :)
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) re: Other bands
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
15) Staements about Buzby
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
16) Symphony X
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
17) FII unreleased tracks...
by "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:38:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Chad Donovan Mitchell <kerensky@telepath.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD-R ad infinitum
Message-ID: <199801211638.KAA11539@telepath.com>
>seriously, I don't think I will ever be successfully convinced that there
>is really enough of a difference between a digital and an analog copy that
>warrants the ENCOURAGING of an analog copy and at the same time the
>DISCOURAGING of a digital copy. People who do, I believe, have GREATLY
>overrated the digital medium.
>
>Steve Z
Frankly, I agree with you. I've only been pointing out the legal issues
involved...doesn't mean I *like* it one bit.
Chad Mitchell
"Doctors get to bury their mistakes...Architects can only advise their
clients to plant vines."
-- Frank Lloyd Wright
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:56:10 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Fire Fans the Flames started by a Madsman
Message-ID: <34c628aa2cb5003@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <3.0.3.32.19980121081955.009f2aa0@mail.legato.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
> "I did meet the singer, whom I thought was arrogant. "
>
> I too met Mr. Labrie and altho I have heard rumors regarding a potential
> arrogance problem....he was nothing but sweet, nice and very cordial to
> me.
I agree. I brought my ACOS cd/liner to be signed. I was chatting with him a bit
while he signed the liner, then after thanking him and starting to turn away he
offered to also sign the actual cd. He definitely made a good impression on me.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:53:52 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Genesis
Message-ID: <01BD2696.81D4D1C0@Uhura.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Scott Cook wrote :
> That should say Marillion DID have a magic quality about them, then
> Steve Hogarth joined the band. ;-)
Scott also thinks that "James LaBrie couldn't sing his way out of a
paper bag", so go figure...
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Dan (drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu) wrote :
> I could have sworn I heard from some people on here that Genesis
> was a kick ass progressive rock band.
The keyword is "was"... For their most "progressive" albums, you
should check out some of the stuff they put out in the 70's with
Peter Gabriel on vocals. You could also try the first few albums
they released after Gabriel left, with Phil Collins on vocals...
> Well I just bought their new CD "Calling All Stations" and to be
> frank with you all....it really sucks!!!
Cool, one of my pet peeves. An album/band/song doesn't suck 'cuz
you don't happen to like it... I for one happen to think that CD
is their best release in years (of course they haven't been that
productive, the last decade).
> So I don't know where some of the people here get there info from
> but please don't ruin it for the rest of us. Later.
Maybe I should mention that the Gabriel/Genesis albums have been
a *major* influence for a lot of prog bands, including Marillion
in the early 80's and more recently Spock's Beard (who, btw, are
fucking awesome !).
Mark
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:14:44 EST
From: mccurdy@kennametal.ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Poll '97
Message-ID: <199801211715.JAA11804@odin.ax.com>
--- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 01-21-98 11:35
ATTENTION DRUMMERS (or anyone else):
In the latest issue of Modern Drummer (March 1998, with Rod Morgenstein on
the cover) is this years Readers Poll. Be sure to run out and get one so
you can vote for Mike P. and he'll win Progressive Drummer of the year
again! BTW, the only catch is you have to use the official ballot in the
magazine so you can't photocopy a ton of entries. The poll ends March 31,
1998. Portnoy in '98!!!
As for Mike's drum video, I picked it up as soon as it was released in '97
and was very satisfied. Both my guitarist and keys player have borrowed it
just to watch him play. And to see Mike play Erotomania so effortlessly is
well worth the price of the video (at least to me it is.) And it's also
something else that you can get autographed the next time you meet MP. Not
that I actually remembered to take mine for the Pittsburgh show. Oh well,
next time!
See-ya
Shawn
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: some replies...
Message-ID: <199801211717.MAA09746@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> Is it just me or does anyone else get a chill
> from in Trial of Tears, 11:10 into the song right
> when JLB sings "I look for the way back home" and
> it starts to pick up again from the mellow part?
> There is just something about that particular part
> being the part itself or the transition that is just
> incredible.
I have to agree. I also happen to think it's one of the only parts of the
song worth listening to more than once. It's the only time I've ever
really heard DT wank. The songs seems to be no more than an excuse for
two extended solos.
> "Heaven Tonight" (Yngwie Malmsteen) - Bet you were wondering when he'd show
> up. This is such a beautiful solo full of soul and overflowing with
> ridiculously perfect technique from the guy almost single-handedly created
> the "conceited asshole" guitarist stereotype.
You know, I just listened to this the other day, and thought to myself,
"God, he can still shred, but this is back when he could still PLAY." If
you think Yngwie has no soul, check out this solo.
> Actually, "Angels Cry" is their first album. It's fast, furious, and
> amazingly beautiful. "Holy Land" is a little more progressive and shows a
> definite Brazilian influence. Personally, I prefer the more
> straight-ahead classical sound on AC, but you really can't go wrong with
> either.
Agree 100%. Holy Land tends to get bogged down in the conceptual vein,
although there is some great stuff on it. Angels Cry will get stuck in
your head and never get out.
> I am often fond of exhorting the other Lady Jammers to Rock out.....but you
> my dear are no lady....from the sound of several male jammers posts after
> that show.....they have your number......don't be surprised if they never
> call you though.
Damn, sista! You just HOUSED her ass! :)
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:51 -0600
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: YTSE Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Trial Of Tears tingles
Message-ID: <34C62E37.F2B5A47D@isd.net>
In response to Jim....
Jim Suplizio wrote:
>Is it just me or does anyone else get a chill
> from in Trial of Tears, 11:10 into the song right
> when JLB sings "I look for the way back home" and
>it starts to pick up again from the mellow part?
>There is just something about that particular part
>being the part itself or the transition that is just
> incredible.
Well personally I get a chill every time I hear Derek's keyboard
passage from 5:18 to 5:36. What really gets me is the Derek's magic
under KJLB's vocals between 5:33 and 5:36. If you have not noticed
it, take another listen. It is sweet!!!
-- See ya, AL...Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.htm
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the front row Message-ID: <01ISMZVE21G2000S80@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Hey, all this talk about getting to the front row at a good concert got me thinking. Wouldn't the best way to be at the front be to get there EARLY? 8)
I got to the vanderbilt show about an hour early to get right up to that stage, and I was successful. This way, you don't have to push, grope, relay on the kindness of strangers, whatever.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:29:31 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bass solos (again!) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980121172931.00928210@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello 'Jammers! Firstly, to the girl who met JLB and said he was arrogant. It's not the first time I've heard someone say that. Remember Bad English? I've been e-mailing the drummer for a while and he met the band a few weeks ago (or something like that) and said "He was a bit of a dick". His words, not mine , jammers. And bass solos, anyone heard any material by Helloween? I doubt they can be classed as Prog but they're in my Top 2 bands of all time (Guess who the other is???). Anyway, listen to the studio version OR live version of "Eagle Fly Free" on "Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 2" and you'll hear exactly what I mean. Marcus Grosskopf is extremely talented and his work can be heard in all other songs aswell (though not many solos, as such). Any comments to this won't be replied to until next Friday at the earliest, sorry! but I'm away from the computer for the week. Chris Parnham
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:38:00 -0600 (CST) From: Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: mp3 of to live forever Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121113719.26077C-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
does anyone know if there is one or if someone can make one and post it somewhere that would be greatly appreciated. thanks
todd
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:39:06 -0600 From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Favorite Guitar Solos Anyone? Message-ID: <01bd2693$78d33ec0$272227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Here are just a few of my favorite solos: DT - Lie - Completely balls-out! DT - Scarred - This one is not as insane as the one in Lie, but there are some powerful bends in there that are absolutely awesome. Dokken - Shadows of Light (from Dysfunctional) - once again, a great solo with some incredible bends at just the right times. I always get goosebumps on this one. Savatage - The Unholy - nothing spectacular, but some great bends at the intro. I always seem to come back to the bends... Any Blues Saraceno solo from Hair Pick (because it's the only one I have so far) - this guy is a tone monster. Buy it. Hear it. Live it. Air guitar at every red light in the car to it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3477 Message-ID: <199801211742.MAA20790@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > BTW, Lobsterman, the greatest vocalist of all time, hands down, with no if 's, > and's, or but's is.... PAUL STANLEY !!!!!!!!! (followed up in second by JL, > of course) Sorry, but I discovered KISS long before DT That's all for now. I > welcome any (dis)agreements.... >
Once again, my vote for kick-ass vocalist has to go to Sebastian Bach. Disagree if you want, but your opinions will be WRONG! :P
-Al
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:44:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bass galore Message-ID: <199801211741.MAA24295@bertelsmanncis.com>
>Today's Topics: > 1) Jaco Pastorius > 7) Jeff Berlin
wow! i love the jam!
to hear jeff berlin at his finest, pick up bruford's "gradually going tornado," and listen to his bass extravaganza, "joe frazier." to hear jeff at his worst, pick up "gradually going to tornado," and flip to any of the songs with his unfortunate vocals.
in other words--brilliant albums musically, but vocals to insult an alley cat.
jaco= everything that every bass player should aspire to be.
--MATt
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Favorite Guitar Solos anyone? :) Message-ID: <199801211751.MAA26153@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > Yeah, it's one of these threads again. I've always kept in my head a list > of the solos that really stand out amongst ALL of the countless solos we > hear everyday in just about every form of music. These are the solos that > when we first hear them we just get lost in the moment. And even ten or > fifteen years later, every time you hear them, you've got to stop what > you're doing: "Hold on a second, dear" (air guitar) "OK, sorry, I had to do > that" :) >
What a great thread, especially since there are so many guitarists (not me) on here.....
Here are a few of mine:
Reb Beach's "Black Magic", off of Guitars that Rule the Wrold, Vol. 1. I knew this guy kicked ass, but was totally blown away when I heard this... This and the solo and guitarwork in "Rainbow in the Rose" definitely makes me believe that he kicks major ass-age.
Steve Vai's "Die to Live"......one of the greatest pieces I know. When I watch him do it on the Alien Love Secrets video, just compounds the awesomeness factor.
John Petrucci's work in the intro to Scarred and in Bombay Vindaloo.
Stanley Jordan's version of "Eleanor Rigby", even though I don't know how to air-guitar to it, cuz he uses that two-hand technique thing........
Malmsteens' acoustic work on the intro and the acoustic/electric solo in "Dreaming" off of Odyssey.......great work, in atime ""when he played".
so many others that I can't think of off the top of my head sitting here at work..............more to come unless people start bitching about this being some "top #" list....
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:55:31 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Other bands Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980121095531.006b9cd0@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Loren <lcaler@flash.net> wrote:
> Some questions about different bands. I want to get some new CD's >but want some reviews and reccomendations first. > > >Shadow Gallery - I've heard different things about them. One friend tells >me I have to get this, others say it borders cheesey. I'm not into the >screaming 80's metal sound, and thats the impression I've been getting about >them. Any other comments?
Haven't heard the other bands you mention, but I have had Shadow Gallery "Carved in Stone" for years. It does border on cheesy. The production could be better. Overall, it seems to need some refinement. It does show promise. They are supposed to have new one out soon (Tyranny?). I would wait for this to come out, and skip Carved in Stone until after that. (I would also characterize this as a "Christian" band, if that matters to you.)
As for other bands, you didn't mention Lemur Voice. If you don't have it, get it before you get ANY other band mentioned on this list. That's my highest YTSE-recommendation. I also recommend Enchant. I like Wounded more than ABotW, but I would buy both of them again if I lost them.
- BH
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:09 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Staements about Buzby Message-ID: <l03130300b0ebe5ba9eb1@[128.252.105.105]>
OK Sryinx, I'll be the first to admit that calling Chris Buzby teh business a dickhead was a bit rash. Let me refraise that. He SEEMS like a dickhead from both the transcript of the Progday (sorry I confused it with Powermad) and from my email experience with him. I'm sure that he can be a really personable guy but it seems from the incident that has an incredible temper and doesn't like it when things don't go his way. I'm not saying that I disagree with his reasons, just his methods. Temper tantrums don't seem to get one very far.
BTW, I never said anything about ALL teh members of Echolyn being dickheads, they're not. As I said earlier I hold Brett Kull in the highest esteem. I truelly don't know about the others. As to Syrinx calling me immature and having "hy head up my ass" all I have to say is you don't know anything about me except what you read on the jam (very similar to me only really knowing Buzby through reading the transcripts of his phone conversations). Do I have an accurate portrayal of Buzby? Maybe. Do you have an accurate idea of me? Maybe again. The difference is that I said that Chris SEEMS like a jerk from what I read. A perfectly logical conclusion considereing the written material. But then you bombast me with, using the same things that I did as evidence of my immaturity. I know that your feathers are ruffled because of this whole Echolyn CD-R thing but that doesn't give you the right to be a jerk.
Sheesh, state an opinion, get flamed. Love and bruises,
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:15 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symphony X Message-ID: <19980121182015.2724.qmail@hotmail.com>
>Symphony X - This band is very cool. It's my assessment that each >album >get better than the previous one. I myself have ordered 'The Divine >Wings >of Tragedy'. After hearing a couple of songs at a jammer's house I >was >hooked.
That pretty much sums it up.Also, the production gets better every album.I can΄t wait till february 18th...their new album comes out!Does anyone know the title of that album?
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:14:19 -0500 From: "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII unreleased tracks... Message-ID: <34C63AFB.5DC24EE9@rmc.ca>
Hi jammers! I just can't believe some people can do that to others. About the unreleased material from FII, instead of freakin paying "60$ US", you can go buy some other bootleg that has these songs. Like, for RTK, LWY or some more, just buy the CD: Guitar Talkin. There you'll find some interesting stuff paying a lot less then what's proposed... Think about it, when you search, you can find some pretty good stuff!!!
take care all!!!
Le Dragon
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