YTSEJAM Digest 3487
Today's Topics:
1) stuff
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
2) Solos...
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
3) Re: Tori's snake whistle voice
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) Re: favorite solos
by DonnaHClavelli@chicago.avenew.com (Donna H Clavelli)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3484
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) Re: Metropolis II Petition
by "Ebatur" <cyclone@securenet.net>
7) Sony
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
8) conceit/JM/tori
by jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
9) Re: Sony
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) recommendations...
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
11) Re: Favorite Guitar Solos
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
12) solos
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
13) guitar solos that make me weep
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
14) No, No, No!
by someone@prognosis.com
15) To Live Forever and Kansas
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com>
16) Prog comments/recommendations
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17) Re: solos
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:46:06 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <v01530515b0ec313446d5@[209.50.100.143]>
>>Is it just me or does anyone else get a chill from in Trial of Tears,
>>11:10 into the song right when JLB sings "I look for the way back home"
>>and it starts to pick up again from the mellow part? There is just something
>> about that particular part being the part itself or the transition that
>>is just
Jim, Count me in on this. One of the highlights of the disc for me. Another
is somewhere in the second half of Lit-Sand.
>> The guitar is competent enough, but not really the focus of their music.
>>If you like your music really heavy, then stay away. But if you like
>>excellent piano,
>>keyboards, and vocals, check out "Carved in Stone".
[Shadow Gallery] The guitar is more prominent on their s/t... A better
album all around.
>>Anyway, listen to the studio version OR live version of
>>"Eagle Fly Free" on "Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 2
Ooooh one of my favorite parts! (just got master of the Rings today too!!)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:53:38 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Solos...
Message-ID: <34c6b4b23335005@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Well, since everyone else is doing it...
Favorite guitar solos:
Jimmy Page, "Stairway to Heaven"
Jimmy Page, "Rain Song"
Lindsey Buckingham, "Big Love"
Lindsey Buckingham, "Landslide"
Favorite keyboard solos:
John Paul Jones, "All of My Love"
Kevin Moore, "Metropolis Pt. 1"
Favorite bass solo:
John McVie, "The Chain" (not sure if this is long enough to qualify as a
solo...)
Favorite drum solo:
the guy from Blue Oyster Cult on a song whose name escapes me
Favorite vocal solo:
Paul Stanley doing the first verse of "Love Gun" a capella in concert.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:53:47 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tori's snake whistle voice
Message-ID: <34c6b4bb33d5002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:59:01 -0800 (PST)
from RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU:
> I say, anyone who likes tori amos, but like brian, gets annoyed by the
> warblings and squeakings, might be interested in paula cole. Paula also
> does her share of warbling but she does it better.
Actually, I *really* can't stand Paula Cole (no offense, just my opinion).
I'd take Tori, squeaks and all, if I had to choose....or more likely, I
wouldn't listen to anything. :-)
And whoever suggested Little Earthquakes, I'm going to check that one
out...from the library that is, I've learned my lesson about buying CDs
without hearing them...a lesson I should have learned from FW Inside Out. I
know I've heard a couple songs on Little Earthquakes that I like, so we'll
see.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:10:22 -0800
From: DonnaHClavelli@chicago.avenew.com (Donna H Clavelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: favorite solos
Message-ID: <34C6D4BE.25AB@chicago.avenew.com>
Tender surrender and Bad horsie by Steve Vai Are also great solos.
Tony C.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:45:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3484
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980121223809.44774A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
>
> The best starting point, in my opinion, is Gretchen Goes to Nebraska. The
> other albums are good, sure, but it was GGtG that made me a die hard. A bit
> less progressive than Faith Hope Love, but kick ASS.
>
I agree that GGtG is their best album, but for the novice, I would suggest
checking out their greatest hits album. It's got a little bit of
everything.
---and---
> Was this drummer you speak of Dean Castronovo? He is one of the baddest
> drummers on the face of the earth. I have seen him with Bad English, and
> in clinic twice (including the Modern Drummer Festival) and he never ceases
> to amaze me.
> If DT ever needed a replacement Deen would be the man. MP also agrees that
> Deen would be the perfect man for the job.
I totally agree. I saw Dean first at a drum clinic and then later when he
was drumming for his post Bad-English band Hardline (who ROCK btw, both
live and on the record). He is flat-out amazing. He has a very similar
style to Portnoy. Just check out his work on YYZ off "Working Man" if you
doubt me.
> - Giant: "In My Dreams"
> Wow. Dan Huff rocks. Listening to this shows why he's one of the
I was just listening to this album (The Last Of The Runaways) last night.
They were such a damn good band. "Innocent Days" now ranks as one of my
top ten favorite songs of ALL time.
Richie
NP: When Dream And Today Unite (OAMOT)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:22 -0500
From: "Ebatur" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Metropolis II Petition
Message-ID: <01bd26e7$bf2f7060$234fcdcd@ebatur.securenet.net>
>Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. BTW, the other song is Where Are You
>Now, I think. The petition worked before... do you think it might work
again?
>It might be worth a shot, cuz Met II on the next album would cut down on
>*fresh* stuff significantly. This way, they can clear the slate and start
>totally new for the next album.
A petition again, you must be joking. It would be a bad idea to do it
again.
Besides, I wouldn't mind if Metropolis II comes out on the next album.
I'd rather hear a prog masterpiece like Met II with a few other songs than
ten, 5-6 minute commercial tracks.
Elvis B.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:58:14 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sony
Message-ID: <v0153051ab0ec7385dba3@[209.50.100.143]>
Ok ok you guys... Sony isn't releasing the Echolyn Cds cause they can make
more money off suing somebody than they can selling them. Go ahead. They're
waiting for you :-)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:11:29 -0600 (CST)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.triad.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: conceit/JM/tori
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980121215944.9979A-100000@darkhorse.triad.net>
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Carol "fire! fire!" Dellinger wrote:
| Listen Dear...beauty comes in many ways and arrogance and conceit were
| never considered beautiful...you are NOT all that and a bag of chips.
am i.
open the march issue of BASS Player to p.74. yep, that says "NEXT ISSUE
Dream Theater JOHN MYUNG." can you saw "awww the fuk yeah," boys and
girls?
all of tori's work is amazing.
sitting with the dog,
S. Aveur
-- jOHN jENS + jjens@shell.webzone.net + www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:19:54 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sony Message-ID: <199801220419.UAA09954@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Jeff Keifling said: > >Ok ok you guys... Sony isn't releasing the Echolyn Cds cause they can make >more money off suing somebody than they can selling them. Go ahead. They're >waiting for you :-) >
Hey, maybe we can petition Sony!
-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:41:35 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: lcaler@flash.net Subject: recommendations... Message-ID: <34C6BFEF.4DEF@winshop.com.au>
You jammed:
> Some questions about different bands. I want to get some new CD's > but want some reviews and reccomendations first.
> Symp. X - Which album is better?
Divine Wings Of Tragedy is THE neoclassical prog metal album. These guys soar far over 'once-their-superiors', Stratovarius. I definately recommend you get this album before their previous work - The Damnation Game. Every band member truly shines, the arrangements are solid, powerful and never boring with enough variety to have you listening for along time. Get it, for sure. Any fan of DT won't be dissapointed.
> Angra - I know nothing about them. Me being a HUGE DT fan, what album > should I start with?
Next to DT, Angra are my fav band and I say that after only having Holy Land for a few weeks. They definately stand in a category of their own. Holy Land is the only album I own, so I can't comment on any others, but IMHO, HL is an essential prog metal album for anyone wanting to explore every stretch the genre. The way they combine classical music with metal along with other traditional brazilian percussion instruments is awesome.
Unlike some other newer bands in the prog genre who have the exterior qualities to make them *sound* like prog metal but unfortunately fall a bit short in the composition/arrangement/structure department which makes them seem a bit lame, Angra are solid, powerful, complex, creative and instantly tasteful all the way. Along with DWoT, get it !
> Shadow Gallery - I've heard different things about them. One friend > tells me I have to get this, others say it borders cheesey. I'm not > into the screaming 80's metal sound, and thats the impression I've > been getting about them. Any other comments?
You're right, Carved In Stone (the album that put SG on the map) is a bit cheesy. They take alot of influence from Queensryche and WDADU/I&W era DT, but I wouldn't say the music is screaming 80's metal.
The musicians are extremely talented and it is a good album if you're into symphonic rock/metal and you like alot of thick layers of synth and grand piano, but personally, I prefer a band that balances out the symphonic side with a bit of heaviness and attack - something that DT do brilliantly and SG don't. Some of the tracks on CIS just seems a bit too 'sentimental' to me.
As you know, alot of people rave of this album so there's two sides to the story and it's true that several parts of CIS are brilliant - alot of the classical style orchestrations have a strong sense of air and beauty about them and on occassions they mix this with clever, driving slabs of rock, but unfortunately it just ain't consistent enough.
Check out CIS if you want. I personally don't hate it, but I felt it wasn't as good as most seem to say it was. Since they're still a relatively new band, IMHO SG can't do anything but get better with time and since their new album is due out soon, it should be interesting.
I hope that helps,
Luke.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:44:20 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Favorite Guitar Solos Message-ID: <34C6CEA4.546@ic3.ithaca.edu>
I thought I'd put my two cents in here, cuz I never really thought about my FAVORITE guitar solos...so here they are...well the ones I can think of
Iron Maiden - "Powersalve" - Both Solos...Dave Murray's solo is first and it starts off as a bluesy, slow solo with nice tone and builds into some ass kicking. Then Adrian Smith's solo comes after the harmony and it just BLOWS YOU AWAY!
Iron Maiden - "Stranger in a Strange Land" - There's only one solo in this one and it's Adrian Smith. This one also starts off kind of slow and then the distortion kicks in and Adrian Smith pretty much hands you his balls.
Jethro Tull - "Aqualung" - It's sort of a simple, blues based solo but it really kicks ass and it gives me the chills every time I listen to it. It's just so beautiful and smooth.
Dream Theater - "Fortune In Lies" - All I know is I always loved this solo and then I got the Live in Tokyo video and I remember staring at Petrucci like he was the almighty himself. My favorite parts would have to be this one part when he plays 3 arpeggios in a row...fast...and then there's that key change and it changes into a more bluesy kind of feel.
Thin Lizzy - "The Cowboy Song" - Brian Robertson's solo (the 2nd one) Both Brian Robertson and Scott Gorham have quite a bit of Dickie Betts (who I love) influence in their playing, but Robertson is a much more agressive guitarist and after Scott's solo, there's a harmony and then Brian just catches you by surprise with a solo full of some awesome licks that kind of reminds me of something Metallica or Maiden would do if they were around in '76. (Well Maiden was around in '76 but you know what I mean.)
Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Freebird" - 'nuff said :)
Van Halen - "Jump" - Even though this song IS NOT big on guitars, the solo always gave me the chills. Eddie does some wacked out shit on this. I always respected him for the way he could make his solos sound so happy. I really enjoy his use of trills, and EVH has been a major influence on my playing.
Kansas - "Carry on Wayward Son" - This is probably one of my favorite songs of all time. It pretty much sums up what I like in my music. All 4 guitar solos blow me away especially the 2nd one when Kerry Livgren statrs on the 15th fret of the 1st string...(I think)...it's been a while.
Well, thats all I can think of right now. But those are the ones that come to mind when I think of my favorite guitar solos.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: solos Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.980122000715.-461571A-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
Of course all the aforementioned soloes and one of my favorites:
Moon Bubbles from Live in Tokyo - espically at the end the whole band reaches the maximum perfection level they can seemingly at the same time.
-Eric
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:14:30 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: guitar solos that make me weep Message-ID: <ae10d206.34c6d5b8@aol.com>
time to enter the fray, i suppose. as i pass the hat, the next person down reads that my favorite guitar solos are as follows:
- david gilmour- "dogs": although i dig "comfortably numb", this is perhaps his best recorded solo on anything with the pink floyd name attached to it. if you haven't listened to "animals," this is one of the most neglected floyd albums around- find it. - david gilmour "shine on you crazy diamond": again, another incredible example of guitar work- not as raw as "dogs," but just as memorable. - brian may- "we will rock you": if you're not at least THINKING about playing air guitar to this solo, then, i don't know what to say to you. - steve vai- "call it sleep": funny how you can take a ballad an anally rape it. mr. vai did a good job teaching us how. - randy rhoads- "goodbye to romance": a short and delicious solo from someone who should still be alive today.
peace out. ytsegoon
*********************************************************************** david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"twisting in and out, his mind never rests...." -j. matheos ***********************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:37:14 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: No, No, No! Message-ID: <199801220529.VAA20834@odin.ax.com>
> Kirk Hammett: Unforgiven > James Hettfield: Master of Puppets
I just can't accept this. Please go back and revise your answers and try again. Otherwise, you have failed. Unforgiven? Master of Puppets? Are you just saying that because you can play these solos merely by willing the fungus under your toenails to do so, or do you actually like this crap? I don't know you, and don't know if you can play guitar... but I already know you could write a better solo than these suckholes. :)
Steve Vai, Fire Garden Suite Al DiMeola: Orient Blue Suite Yngwie Malmsteen: Icarus Dream Suite Jason Becker/Marty Friedman: Images, Go Off, Speed Metal Symphony, The Concerto, etc... Ron Thal: Chopin Fantasie...
The only problem I have with this thread is that it can't even scratch the surface of how many amazing solos there are out there!
> First 100 people to buy the DVD will receive a very rare video of DT playing > Cuba with the Pope guesting on vocals...
Dude, I was there... and I don't wanna burst anyone's bubble, but I'm quite sure I saw the Pope smokin' up after the show. And LaBrie seemed to be sniffing Myung's armpits...
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:32:57 PST From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: To Live Forever and Kansas Message-ID: <19980122053325.16244.qmail@hotmail.com>
First, beanvet asked if To Live Forever has been recorded and is available. Yes it has. It's on the Lie single. Oh, by the way, good luck finding this single. I've been looking for 3 years.
Next, Brendt Allman said about Kansas' "Freaks of Nature"...
>The tunes are well written and the guy who plays >violin...(what's his name again?) is great. I only wish that Livgren >wrote all the songs...hmmm...and maybe if Morse was back in the band >too...and..oh well, you get the idea.
I agree, this is a good album. It's a collection of proggy, well written pop rock songs, with the first studio violin work from the band since 1982 (FoN was released in 1995). The violin player, David Ragsdale, was with the band from '91 to '97. He left to pursue music on his own; he released a solo album a few months ago called "David and Goliath" which is a decent rock instrumental album. And as people have reported on here, Robby Steinhardt has returned to the band, so they still have a violin in their lineup. Kansas will release an album later this year recorded with the London Philharmonic. It contains several of their hits backed by orchestra, along with 3 new songs. Apologies for the Kansas tangent... back to the infighting.
Ken kmcwatters@hotmail.com http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog comments/recommendations Message-ID: <199801220652.AA20846@crl.crl.com>
Symphony X's DIVINE WINGS is indeed an excellent CD. Phil Carter kindly made me a cassette copy, and I was only too glad to include it in my big order from Laser's Edge. (They have it for $15 now, as opposed to Impulse Records' $21.99.)
I think I like Superior's "behind" CD a bit more (it has a smoother "feel," and a bit more variety stylistically, plus Michael Tangermann's outstanding vocals), but S-X is gonna be one of Those Bands I'm gonna have to start collecting in a serious way.
There are quite a few bands who fare especially well amongst the denizens of this list. Superior, S-X, Angra, Lemur Voice....and all these have been great purchases. I'm about to make another Big Order from Laser's Edge since my tax refund is due at my bank tomorrow -- Americans, do NOT toss out that IRS TeleFile tax package; it's quite handy -- and Angra's ANGEL'S CRY and something by Spock's Beard top the list, along with S-X again. (What to get by Spock's Beard? I have several to choose from....)
NP: Stratovarius, VISIONS -- sounds good. They have a hard-edged "this would be a likely Magna Carta band" feel. :)
Other recent yet-unheard arrivals from Laser's Edge (www.jersey.net/~lasercd):
Sean Malone -- Cortland Payne's Gray -- Kadath Decoded Divine Regale -- Horizons
My 5 currently gratuitous CDs (I never do this:)):
Ozric Tentacles -- LIVE UNDERSLUNKY (yes, Rogerio, it's awesome) " " -- THE BITS BETWEEN THE BITS Superior -- behind Angra -- HOLY LAND Dream Theater -- Hollow Years single
-- Paul W. Cashman ICQ #4151223 | Better the pride that resides vanyel@crl.com | In a Citizen of the World www.crl.com/~vanyel | Than the pride that divides lyrics by Neil Peart ----------> When a colorful rag is unfurled
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:55:59 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: solos Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980122014956.23024B-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Eric Desobe wrote:
> Moon Bubbles from Live in Tokyo - espically at the end the whole band > reaches the maximum perfection level they can seemingly at the same time.
That ain't Moon Bubbles. But I know what you're talking about. :)
-NitPicker
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