YTSEJAM Digest 3485
Today's Topics:
1) $60 CDR
by Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
2) Re: Favorite Guitar Solos
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
3) tori amos suggestion
by Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3481
by CSmith3298 <CSmith3298@aol.com>
5) Tori's snake whistle voice
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
6) Re: your mail
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
7) Favorite Guitar solows
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
8) Re: Tori Amos...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
9) $60 CDR
by belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: Metropolis II Petition
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
11) Re: FII unreleased tracks...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Re: Staements about Buzby
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Re: $60, are you nuts!!!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) guitar solos, vocalists, Genesis
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
15) Oh, my fuckin' god!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) re: Symphony X
by Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU>
17) Dream Theater Theme
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
18) Re: Don't copy the FII cut tracks to CDR, please
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
19) Re: Adam the Bassist
by "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:08:56 -0500
From: Matt Stanich <mwstanic@mtu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: $60 CDR
Message-ID: <34C663E8.3C09@mtu.edu>
"I just can't believe some people can do that to others. About the
unreleased material from FII, instead of freakin paying "60$ US", you
can go buy some other bootleg that has these songs."
Gosh for $60 you could buy all the jap imports and singles that have the
tracks on them, perhapes that was the orignal point of a $60 CDR, but
you didnt hear it here.
Matt
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:27:02 -0600 (CST)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Favorite Guitar Solos
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980121152458.26252F-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
One of my favorite guitar solos (from my non-musician viewpoint) of last
year has to be in Night Ranger's song New York Time. It sounds demented
:)
~Rob
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:29:34 EST
From: Madsag <Madsag@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tori amos suggestion
Message-ID: <650a42f9.34c668c0@aol.com>
brian wrote:
>>Okay, after lots of raves about Tori Amos from various sources, I went out
and
bought "Boys for Pele.".....What I'm wondering is, does she have anything
that's a little less, I guess "meandering" is the word I'm looking for.
Something with more consistent vocals.<<
go out and get LITTLE EARTHQUAKES, it is her best work ever.
much simpler and way more intimate than Pele. Pele i have to skip around on,
but Little Earthquakes is just a masterpiece to me, thats my deserted island
cd if i can only take one.
let me know how it works out for you
take care
~melissa~
madsag@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:32:16 EST
From: CSmith3298 <CSmith3298@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3481
Message-ID: <7ec5fef5.34c66962@aol.com>
Please Unsubsribe.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:42:11 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori's snake whistle voice
Message-ID: <01ISN8SNYLRA000TSW@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
>
What I'm wondering is, does she have anything that's a little less, I guess
"meandering" is the word I'm looking for. Something with more consistent vocal
s.
I say, anyone who likes tori amos, but like brian, gets annoyed by the
warblings and squeakings, might be interested in paula cole. Paula also
does her share of warbling but she does it better. And man, has she got a
set of pipes. And don't let the fact that she's got two or three top 40
songs discourage you. Her stuff is powerful. There's just one or two
songs on all of Harbinger that I don't like so much.
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:50:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: your mail
Message-ID: <199801212150.QAA05858@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> > Albert Wrote:
> > Once again, my vote for kick-ass vocalist has to go to Sebastian Bach.
>
> Who's that, I thought we were talking about vocalists.
>
Ok, I don't know if this is sarcasm or just honest lack of
knowing, so I'll bite.....
Sebastian Bach is the vocalist for Skid Row....he's in a new
band now (The Last Hard Men) that had
a track on the Scream soundtrack, and he sang Working Man
and Jacob's Ladder on the Working Man Rush Tribute album. He
probably did other stuff too, I just donn't know of them.
-Al
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:51:38 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Favorite Guitar solows Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980121134019.21281D-100000@otter.mbay.net>
DT: Peruvian Skyes Randy Rhodes: Mr. Crowley Toni Macalpine: 1st track off Freedom to Fly (OOOOOOOO!!!!!) Steve Morse: That shit-kicken blue-grass tune of Night of the Living Dregs (makes me wear a shit-eating grin as wide as possible every time) Slash: November Rain outro Steve Vai: For the Love of God Nuno Bettencourt: Play with Me James Merphey: Trail of Tears/Return to Sirenity (accoustic) Candlebox: You (call me what you will, it kicks ass) Kirk Hammett: Unforgiven James Hettfield: Master of Puppets
nuf sed; if not too much. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu Subject: Re: Tori Amos... Message-ID: <199801212155.QAA18698@clipper.hq.tis.com>
>From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > >Okay, after lots of raves about Tori Amos from various sources, I went out and >bought "Boys for Pele." This is one of those CDs that really frustrates me. >There are places where it's really getting good, and then she ruins it with >those high squeaky/whispery vocals that she does sometimes. Overall I really >like the music, and some of the vocal work is excellent, but... >What I'm wondering is, does she have anything that's a little less, I guess >"meandering" is the word I'm looking for. Something with more consistent >vocals. Private email if you want. Thanks! >
Yes, Tori's earlier albums are much better in my opinion. I find that "Boys for Pele" meanders too much for my taste plus I just don't like the melodies as well as on earlier albums. "Boys for Pele" is a more experimental album. Try "Little Earthquakes" -- that one is my favorite, though I also like "Under the Pink" very much. The songs on LE tend to have stronger melody and feature her vocals better. Don't give up on Tori until you've heard the earlier albums. Good luck.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: belhai1 <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: $60 CDR Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.96.980121165819.16770A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, II Stephane Fortin wrote:
> I just can't believe some people can do that to others. About the > unreleased material from FII, instead of freakin paying "60$ US", you > can go buy some other bootleg that has these songs. Like, for RTK, LWY > or some more, just buy the CD: Guitar Talkin. There you'll find some > interesting stuff paying a lot less then what's proposed... Think about > it, when you search, you can find some pretty good stuff!!!
Just wanted to point out to the ignorant jammers out there that the person who originally wrote about this was FUCKING JOKING!
Whatever happened to that jammer who wanted to dub copies of the "Live in Tokyo" video and sell them for $15 a piece? Now HE was serious.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:06:02 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Metropolis II Petition Message-ID: <c0a63abb.34c6714c@aol.com>
Hi Y'all!
In a message dated 98-01-20 16:15:08 EST, you write:
<< We all REALLY WANT TO HEAR MET II ASAP, right? And those of us that haven't heard RTK, CME, STM, TWIUTB, and [what was the 5th one?] would probably like to hear them soon, too? Now, if Met II is included on the next album, that's 30 somewhat minutes less of *fresh* material that the band could put on the disc. Whereas since they've already written MII and the other 5 songs, they could put out a good 60-minute-long batch of stuff in one shot sooner, then follow up with another 75er later. >>
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. BTW, the other song is Where Are You Now, I think. The petition worked before... do you think it might work again? It might be worth a shot, cuz Met II on the next album would cut down on *fresh* stuff significantly. This way, they can clear the slate and start totally new for the next album.
Laterz...... Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:07:48 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII unreleased tracks... Message-ID: <199801212207.OAA04647@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "II Stephane Fortin" said: > >Hi jammers! > I just can't believe some people can do that to others. About the >unreleased material from FII, instead of freakin paying "60$ US", you >can go buy some other bootleg that has these songs. Like, for RTK, LWY >or some more, just buy the CD: Guitar Talkin. There you'll find some >interesting stuff paying a lot less then what's proposed... Think about >it, when you search, you can find some pretty good stuff!!! >
Uh... Graham had a smiley at the end of that message, you know what that means? It means it was a JOKE... now go back and toke... but I'll gladly make a CD-R of anything you want for $100 plus 45 shipping/handling and insurance, I even found a CD-R that makes PAL CD-R's now :)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Staements about Buzby Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980121170409.1540A-100000@tornado.ocis.temple.edu>
> I'll be the first to admit that calling Chris Buzby teh business a > dickhead was a bit rash. Let me refraise that. He SEEMS like a dickhead > from both the transcript of the Progday (sorry I confused it with Powermad) > and from my email experience with him. I'm sure that he can be a really > personable guy but it seems from the incident that has an incredible temper > and doesn't like it when things don't go his way. I'm not saying that I > disagree with his reasons, just his methods. Temper tantrums don't seem to > get one very far.
i've known chris for quite a while, and i have *never* seen him be anything less than a total and complete gebtlemen. I think if you saw the matter from *his* side, then i'd think you would see the progday situation in a much different light.
> esteem. I truelly don't know about the others. As to Syrinx calling me > immature and having "hy head up my ass" all I have to say is you don't know > anything about me except what you read on the jam (very similar to me only > really knowing Buzby through reading the transcripts of his phone > conversations). Do I have an accurate portrayal of Buzby? Maybe.
...and i'm telling you, you don't.
> Do you > have an accurate idea of me? Maybe again. The difference is that I said > that Chris SEEMS like a jerk from what I read. A perfectly logical > conclusion considereing the written material. But then you bombast me > with, using the same things that I did as evidence of my immaturity. I > know that your feathers are ruffled because of this whole Echolyn CD-R > thing but that doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. i'm not being a jerk., ahtough if you think that anyone who points our your flaws in an argument is a jerk, then i guess i am.
here's my request. talk to chris. talk to chad. look at the situation from *their* side, and i guarantee you that your look upon the situation is much different than it is now.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:13:17 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: $60, are you nuts!!! Message-ID: <199801212213.OAA04687@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Larry Doe said: > > you have to be kidding me. you in their mind would ask people such a >ridiculous price for 5 songs. a couple of newsletters ago someone posted a >URL of progmetal.gmsnet.com where they had posted the unreleased materials >for free. sure you have to have something capable of reading MPG3, but he >also has the listing for that. come on people let's not be trying to rip >each other off. > I downloaded the files and then, oh no, made a copy onto minidisk. don't
Some people just have no clue... but hey!! I have an announcement!!
I'm making DVD's of EVERYTHING DT, every bootleg ever made, and every video bootleg, legit made.... the DVD will be hours of pure enjoyment, will include full color inserts, a coupon from Sony towards future DVD title purchases, coupon for Donny's Record Store... (biggest music chain store in Timbuktu), free transcripts of all Bafu posts, what more could you want?
And all that for $29.95 with free shipping to anywhere in the world.
First 100 people to buy the DVD will receive a very rare video of DT playing Cuba with the Pope guesting on vocals...
:)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:16:45 -0400 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: guitar solos, vocalists, Genesis Message-ID: <v01540b01b0ec129f0bea@[128.197.7.198]>
>> BTW, Lobsterman, the greatest vocalist of all time, hands down, with no >if 's, >> and's, or but's is.... PAUL STANLEY !!!!!!!!! > > >You'll get nothing but thumbs up from me. That guy actually sounds >better the older he gets. Amazing. I thought I was dreaming when I saw this. I must be, because I know I would be the only person on this list to believe something ridiculous like Paul Stanley is a great vocalist (not just a good one, but a great one). I thought only idiots like Jeff Falk who like "Status Seeker" and "Innocence Faded" would think that Paul Stanley belongs in the pantheon of great vocalists.
You can also tell how much of a retard this Jeff Falk is when you see some of his favorite guitar solos:
Van Halen "Can't Stop Lovin' You" Kiss "Rocket Ride" Kiss "Who Wants to Be Lonely" (TWO Kiss solos? is he tone-deaf?) John McLaughlin "New York on My Mind" Rush "Natural Science" Queen "Somebody to Love" (and "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" . . . and others) Ozzy Osbourne "Mr. Crowley" (Randy Rhoads _Tribute_ version) Van Halen "Dreams" Dream Theater "Another Day" (and others, I'm sure)
And if you thought someone couldn't have his head shoved up his ass even further, this same schmuck actually thinks Phil Collins-era Genesis can compete with Peter Gabriel-era Genesis (counting _We Can't Dance_ and everything else), especially since he thinks that some of Gabriel's lyrics are unnecesarily bizarre and undercut the brillance of Banks, Rutherford, Hackett and Collins, and (get this) he _likes_ much of _Calling All Stations_. Does this fool belong on this list?
all flames to: Jeff Falk jeFFFalk@bu.edu
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:23:42 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh, my fuckin' god!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980121201857.9439B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Gals and Girls,
Art thou on crack? You must be kidding that you didn't get Graham's joke, don't ya?? Please, re-read his post and then realize that he was just asking an absurd price for the CD and an even more shameless price for shipping. Hope you get my joke replying to another post asking 15 for shipping.
[]s, Roger, "The Dumbfounded"... :-O
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:24:35 -0800 From: Brian Hansen <bhansen1@leland.Stanford.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Symphony X Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980121142435.006b7654@bhansen1.pobox.stanford.edu>
Phil wrote:
>My highest Ytse-recommendation, though, would probably have to go to >Symphony X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy". This, in my opinion, is a perfect >progressive metal. Heavy guitars with the occasional shredfest thrown in, >atmospheric neoclassical keyboards, powerful low end bass and drums, and a >very strong vocalist. Impeccably composed and executed songs, with vicious >time changes and epic structures, make this one a keeper.
Some recordings get mixed reviews here on the jam, but Symphony X's DWoT seems to only get good reviews. Is this a universal, thumbs-up recording? (At least by Ytsejam standards.) Would everyone who has purchased it buy it again if it were lost?
- BH
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:54:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater Theme Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980121175314.27863A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
I am still looking for a kind sould out there that will email me the Windows 95 version of the DT Theme. Thanks!!!
DR
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:56:04 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Don't copy the FII cut tracks to CDR, please Message-ID: <730bd350.34c67d07@aol.com>
Hey -
In a message dated 98-01-21 16:20:53 EST, Mike Bahr wrote:
<< Like the subject says. The band has made it clear that we're going to get legit CDs of the cut tracks from FII in some form or another (indeed, all but WAYN and RTK are already out!!) and to copy them at this point would be piracy, not bootlegging. It crosses the line from fandom into outright disrespect for the band, because this is stuff that's been officially released. You might as well copy Awake while you're at it. >>
What about Cover My Eyes? Even though an MP3 is floating around, they haven't actually released it, unless there's something I'm missing here. :-)
- Matt T.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:10:42 -0500 From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Adam the Bassist Message-ID: <199801212312.SAA03689@home.gis.net>
Adam the bassist brought up some really good points that I'd like to address in my never-ending quest to rule the world:
>1) I don't think a song is always intended to sound "full."
This is where we differ, I think. I've always felt that a song should sound full, with everyone complimenting each other as opposed to one person in the foreground. This is one of the reasons that I love FII so much - the production, to my ears, does just that. In terms of dynamics, just because one instrument is softer than usual doesn't mean that it isn't doing it's job - you can have a quiet bass that's filling up the bottom end just fine. Blues is a great example of this. And sure - you can have a bass, piano, drum trio where the bass takes the solo role - but then it falls out of the traditional rock spectrum, in my opinion, and the rock genre is what I was getting at.
>2) What about more than one bassist?
Why would you need more than one? So that one can solo while the other holds the bottom end down! :)
3) And what of couterpoint?
Valid point, and again, something that I'm not TOO familiar with. I'll agree that a bassist in a trio could probably pull it off, but for now, I think that a bassist that is gonna explore the boundaries of contrapuntal tapping and whatnot would use it best as a counterpoint to a melody, not as a vehicle for a solo (i.e. JLMB).
4) The actual sonic space of the bass.
Another valid point, and one that I would agree with - if the guitarist would just shut up and play the bass line! I think that's what the whole point of my argument is - bassists who solo lose the bottom end; that bottom end doesn't have to be the sonic area that the bass maintains, necessarily, but the groove of the song.
Let's look at a 12-bar blues in E. So the guitarist does his wild solo, and then points at the bassist at the turnaround. The bassist goes into this great great solo, while the guitarist (who could be doing a walking bass line on the root - and this would sound great) sits there and hits 9th chords on the 2 and 4. What happened to the song? I'd much rather hear the guitarist doing something to keep continuity with the drummer (ESPECIALLY in a shuffle like a 12-bar, because drums alone just can't hack it - no offense) than sitting there trying to bridge the gap between Blues and Jazz. See my point?
>>I never realized that I'd open a can of worms with this thread. This is >>interesting.:) > >Agreed. Actually, I'm not sure I agree with your initial supposition, >anyhow, but I did think your argument is something that ought to be >addressed. I don't conceptualize the role of the bass the way a lot of >folks do, so perhaps I'm not the one to argue against your point. I >thought it might be worth chewing on, anyhow.
Ah, the magic of the Jam. Thanks, Adam, for opening my eyes in a different direction. I appreciate it (that statement, btw, was totally devoid of sarcasm - I'm serious).
-Nicholas
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