YTSEJAM Digest 3489
Today's Topics:
1) are they done? / thanks
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
2) Fave Guitar Solo.
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
3) NDTC: Tori Amos.
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
4) Record Labels
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
5) Echelon
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
6) laser reader for records, kansas, mp3 to wav, sebach, king's X
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
7) Re: are they done? / thanks
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) king crimson
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
9) Metallica soli
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) asdf
by "Justin" <justin@intelliworks.net>
11) Petition
by someone@prognosis.com
12) Come here so I can kick your ass, Tasac!
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
13) MC promotion, how to get S-X, Tori/Paula
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
14) Re: Spock's Beard
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
15) TLF
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3487
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
17) Re: DT Win 95 Theme
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
18) Re: guitar solos
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
19) Total Global Domination
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:00 -0500
From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: are they done? / thanks
Message-ID: <199801221533.KAA22054@bertelsmanncis.com>
from al:
> Sebastian Bach is the vocalist for Skid Row....he's in a new
> band now (The Last Hard Men) that had
> a track on the Scream soundtrack, and he sang Working Man
> and Jacob's Ladder on the Working Man Rush Tribute album. He
> probably did other stuff too, I just donn't know of them.
does this mean skid row is done? if so, that's kind of a shame--i
thought subhuman race was hands down their best album. anyone know
definitely? (or am i the only one not to know definitely?)
from nicholas:
>Ah, the magic of the Jam. Thanks, Adam, for opening my eyes in a
different
>direction. I appreciate it (that statement, btw, was totally devoid of
>sarcasm - I'm serious).
and--again without sarcasm--thanks to the both of you; the 'jam is at
its best best when interesting discussions like this are pursued.
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fave Guitar Solo.
Message-ID: <19980122154420.VCWQ215@[166.33.99.41]>
My alltime no.1 solo to end all solos: UAGM. Still makes me drool everytime
I hear it. Just my 1 1/2 cents worth.
Ytse on,
eD
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:46:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC: Tori Amos.
Message-ID: <199801221546.KAA10038@aixguru.mkm.can.ibm.com>
Snake whistle voice...ha! That kills me...
Yes, if your are looking for something better than BFP, you
have to get Little Earthquakes. It is a great CD.
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:15:37 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Record Labels
Message-ID: <v01530500b0ed1f28db5a@[209.50.100.131]>
>>even record deal with Noise, so they will not sign with Magna Carta.
>>Compared to Noise, Magna Carta promotes their bands downright badly.
>>When was the last time you heard/read a Magna Carta band touring the world?
Well I haven't exactly seen Virgin Steele, Stratovarious, Rage, or Gamma
Ray come to the US, let alone my hometown. At least Noise answers their
e-mail. Don'tcha wish Magna Carta did?
>>It doesn't matter if it is analog or digital. Just don't sell.
OK. You make the recording and keep it. Give me the original. Then we're
both legal :-)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:19:11 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echelon
Message-ID: <v01530501b0ed21ad72cc@[209.50.100.127]>
Hey peoples... Is this a typo or is it a totally different band?
>>33439 Echelon * Shiver * Gigantic Planet 1996 * CD * used * $5.00 *
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:13:14 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: laser reader for records, kansas, mp3 to wav, sebach, king's X
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980122181314.006b9008@mail.surffi.net>
from the keyboard of Bill Hicks...
>(BTW I heard some years ago that they (who's they? they are) were
>developing a laser reader for records. No needle touching the things and
>scratching them to kingdom come. Presumably, analog sound. If that isn't
>an audiophile's dream... Wonder whatever came of it.)
I read about it too few years ago... I think that they (yes, they again)
couldn't make it work 100%... but few months back, I read about similar
device finally coming widely available, it was in Finnish hi-fi magazine...
the price was somewhere between $2000-$4000
Brian Hansen spoketh
>Has anyone out there heard "Freaks of Nature" by Kansas? Any opinions on it?
yep, pretty good album, best tracks IMHO Black Fathom 4, I can Fly and the
Steve Walsh ballad... Peaceful and Warm (?)
I also have a Kansas bootleg ( I think) live in philadelphia 1989, anyone
else heard this?
and from Todd Wilson...
>i need your help please. does anyone know of any software out there
>that converts mp3 files to wav files. i have some good quality mp3
>sound files and i would like to put them on a cdr. any suggestions of
>how to convert this would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
get winamp 1.6 or newer, go to options > preferences > Output and change
the Outuput device into .WAV file output (silent) so there.
some talk about sebastian bach,the man is also on DT live in tokyo video,
singing a tiny bit of take the time...
I got my copy of King's X greatest hits, and I like it :) big plus for me:
the old songs are remastered, and sound loads better than on the original
albums
op777
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:34:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: are they done? / thanks
Message-ID: <199801221634.LAA11189@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> does this mean skid row is done? if so, that's kind of a shame--i
> thought subhuman race was hands down their best album. anyone know
> definitely? (or am i the only one not to know definitely?)
>
As far as I know, Skid Row is done.....Mr. Bach has said it
himself on his webpage (forget the address, you can get there
thru Paul Cashman's page http://www.crl.com/~vanyel) that
members of the band just don't waqnt to work together anymore.
And I agree that Subhuman Race was a great album....
-Al
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:45:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: king crimson Message-ID: <199801221641.LAA02907@bertelsmanncis.com>
from bernardo: >The Discipline/Beat/Three of a Perfect Pair trilogy is impressive.
yes, definitely, particularly if you're a "thrak" fan. think of crimson in four phases:
1st phase: "in the court of the crimson king," "lizard," and "in he wake of poseidon" this phase was their artsy-symphonic phase. each song was an exercise in bombast, with loads of musicians and sounds. "crimson king" is probably the best, but "lizard" has its moments. on the whole, though, this phase was mostly about robert fripp discovering what it means to express his musical vision.
2nd phase: "larks toungues in aspic," "starless and bible black," red this is crimson paired into a trio, basically. their most aggressive phase, certainly, with lots of in-your-face compostions. fripp is joined by ex-yes drummer bill bruford, who remains in all future lineups, and john wetton, singer and bassist. wetton is a capable singer, and his aggressive, attacking style on bass perfectly suits this phase. most love "red," though "starless" is a gem too.
3rd phase: "discipline," "beat," "three of a perfect pair" fripp and bruford are joined by adrian belew, an extraordinarily capable guitarist with a powerful, talking heads-ish voice, and tony levin, bassist and stick pioneer, to form what many feel is their most talented lineup. the songs are layered and extremely intricate, though with a surpirisingly listenable edge that earlier lineups lacked for many. my favorite era. this lineup is added to with trey gunn and pat mastelletto to get the current thrak lineup.
ok, and real quick, some solos that grab me: JP: under a glass moon, trial of tears alex lifeson: cut to the chase steve howe: mood for a day allan holdsworth: anything steve hackett: first song on "selling england," forget the name kirk hammett: the thing that should not be, eye of the beholder (sure, simple little tricks, but they grab me) marty friedman: hangar 18
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metallica soli Message-ID: <199801221651.LAA13502@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> > Kirk Hammett: Unforgiven > > James Hettfield: Master of Puppets > > I just can't accept this. Please go back and revise your answers > and try again. Otherwise, you have failed. Unforgiven? Master of > Puppets? Are you just saying that because you can play these solos > merely by willing the fungus under your toenails to do so, or do you > actually like this crap? > I don't know you, and don't know if you can play guitar... but I > already know you could write a better solo than these suckholes. :)
But tell us how you REALLY feel, Chris. :)
Seriously, though, I can't say I like these solos all that much, but the first time I heard the solo from "The Unforgiven II" it was so wank-free that I thought it was James.
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:13:49 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petition Message-ID: <199801221706.JAA27494@odin.ax.com>
What, are you guys just fucking DUMB?
Do you realize the band has been on tour and has more dates planned? The album's been out for what... 4 months? You're degrading the quality and purpose of the whole petition... it's supposed to be to help DT AND to help us, not just to demand that the band do as we say!
Give it another year or so. If they don't release it, THEN consider your options. Right now, it's not a label issue... it's an issue of the band not having time.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Come here so I can kick your ass, Tasac! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980122092909.27431B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
OK, daddio. First of all, I can play guitar and rather well, thank you very much. Second, if the solow in the accoustic section of master of puppets doesn't tickle your pickle, well then you just... I don't know. I'm not looking for speed death, I'm looking for solows that make my heart do wierd things. And as for Unforgiven, it's one of the coolest build-up solows I've heard, maybe one of Kirk's two good solows in Metalica's career. This isn't a flame, Tasac, but I do mean to poke maximum fun at you. We've played ball before, and I know you're a hard hitter, but after you speak, You think which is a good thing. :) Come to the dark side, Madsman. The daaaaaaaaaark side. By the way, I don't like TOT. Flame away, but the only cool parts I like in that song are the solows and JM. Screw the structure and tones and everything else. Rather than flame me, though, convince me that I'm wrong nicely. Maybe some day I'll appreciate both TAMP and TOT. I even prefer, gasp scream yell, Anna Lee over those two songs. Be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MC promotion, how to get S-X, Tori/Paula Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980122123257.28300A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Mape says: > Compared to Noise, Magna Carta promotes > their bands downright badly. When was the last time you heard/read a > Magna Carta band touring the world?
Um, I heard about Lemur Voice touring in the Europe area awhile back. But only because Marcel posted the tourdates here. :)
Alexandro inquired: > Being a DT and Shadow Gallery fan, and after reading so many comments of > Symphony X's DWoT, I decided to get it. Unfortunately, I was told it has > been released only in Germany and Japan. Can anybody check it out for > me, please?
Sadly, this is true. Pretty damned irritating for a band who's based here in the U.S. Check out The Laser's Edge (http://www.jersey.net/lasercd) for info on how to order it.
Chris Oates says: > Yeah, I'd like to take Tori and make her squeak-- > > .. Oh, did I say that out loud?
Er, yes. But probably you weren't the only one to say it. :)
That goes for Paula Cole, too. I remember seeing Paula when she was doing backing vocals for Peter Gabriel's "Secret World" tour. Slinky black dress, long hair hanging down her back -- and combat boots. Rrrowwwrrr.
Cheers, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: David Arkenstone -- "Quest of the Dream Warrior"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:10:23 -0700 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Spock's Beard Message-ID: <v01540b00b0ed2d786035@[205.134.227.12]>
Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> wrote;
>Buy everything. The best new prog-band since Marillion. Mike Portnoy said >that, and he's right. I saw them live here in Germany on Tuesday and they were >so FUCKING good, it was frightening!
Oh well, this should be "ONE OF the best new prog bandS" I believe. There are some other prog bands that are very good.
AE
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TLF Message-ID: <01ISOG2LKVJM000ZAR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
> I am looking for a copy of the studio version of "To Live Forever". Any >help would be appreciated, as I have never heard the harmonies of this song >(which are supposed to rule). :)
That they do. I thought someone already answered, but the studio version is on the Lie single. I also have it on the audition tape, where 4 out of the five guys sing it. I will gladly do a tape trade of either if you want.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:25:04 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3487 Message-ID: <01ISOGASPZDK000ZAR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Ok, my number one favorite solo of allllllll time:
Aerosmith, Jamie's Got A Gun.
Hahahahahahahahaha! Just kidding, folks. It is a good song, though.
I don't know, but metallica's Orion solo is certainly up there. I don't actually listen to DT for the solos, I listen for the music. I've said all this before, though. And no, I don't think it's two seperate things, I just notice the song as a whole more than solos, usually.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:40:11 +0000 From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Win 95 Theme Message-ID: <1326646017-11491795@hutman.com>
> From: "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca> > > I just saw a message from someone searching for DT Win95 themes. > Otherwise, I know there is one on the DREG's Homepage. I also made one > myself from FII. I sent it to someone from the Jam who told me that it > was amazing. There are plenty of choices. Hope that will help!!! > > Le Dragon
Yes we have one at the URL listed below. Enjoy!
-steve
************************************************** DREG Records - New & Improved Progressive Rock http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
= Home of the Kansas Tribute compilation = **************************************************
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:38:10 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: guitar solos Message-ID: <199801221941.LAA25528@baygate.bayarea.net>
> DAMMIT!!! NO ONE MENTIONED MY FAVOURITE SOLO OF ALL TIME!!! > > The guitar at the end of 'Comfortably Numb' by Pink Floyd
Got to agree with you 100% on that one. There are a lot of guitarists out there who can blow David Gilmour away when it comes to technical playing, but Gilmour's playing has that indefinable quality that makes it amazing while not being terribly technical. He can put so much feeling into just a few notes, or even one note. Just goes to show that sometimes less is more. (Don't get me wrong, guitarists like John Petrucci and Steve Vai are awesome too, just in a different way.)
-Paul
I am the Catfish Man! I can't hear you!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:40:25 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Total Global Domination Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980121114025.00688210@pop.cfmc.com>
So Nick and I are now jousting for world rule, it seems, via the merits of bass soloing. Are we to hold Excalibur aloft or are we going to put it to the voters? Ah well...let me rebut his rebuttal
>From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> >Subject: Re: Adam the Bassist > >>1) I don't think a song is always intended to sound "full." > >This is where we differ, I think. I've always felt that a song should sound >full, with everyone complimenting each other as opposed to one person in >the foreground. [...]
Oh, I do agree with the notion that when things are going full tilt, a really coherent ensemble sound is much preferable to having one instrument trying to carry all the weight. My feeling, however, is that the impact of the louder dynamic is strengthened when contrasted with something a little less raging. "Scarred" is a super-intense song that begins with Myung playing a nifty little vaguely contrapuntal thing and Petrucci playing a little Satriani-esque bit. If their roles had been switched, I think you could have had something equally effective musically. If you specifically don't want something that takes up a tremendous amount of sonic space, having a bassist playing up on the telephone poles is often effective.
>>2) What about more than one bassist? > >Why would you need more than one? So that one can solo while the other >holds the bottom end down! :)
Why would you want more than one drummer? More than one guitarist? It's not standard rock instrumentation, which doesn't mean that it can't be effective. I know I'm wandering off into fusion (which is, at least, rock related), but a lot of times you'd hear the two bassists with Ronald Shannon Jackson BOTH playing supportive lines. Melvin Gibbs, as good as he is, wasn't soloing all the time.
>3) And what of couterpoint? > >Valid point, and again, something that I'm not TOO familiar with. I'll >agree that a bassist in a trio could probably pull it off, but for now, I >think that a bassist that is gonna explore the boundaries of contrapuntal >tapping and whatnot would use it best as a counterpoint to a melody, not as >a vehicle for a solo (i.e. JLMB).
Or "Scarred." What I'm saying is that there's nothing really preventing a bassist from doing a Stanley Jordan or Charlie Hunter thing on bass, which, while you don't actually hear it in rock an awful lot, seems like it'd be adequately effective to me.
>4) The actual sonic space of the bass. > >Another valid point, and one that I would agree with - if the guitarist >would just shut up and play the bass line! I think that's what the whole >point of my argument is - bassists who solo lose the bottom end; that >bottom end doesn't have to be the sonic area that the bass maintains, >necessarily, but the groove of the song.
Well, if we're going to free up the bassist from traditional responsibilities, if we're going to write a song that necessitates something very low sonically and very rhythmic, then there's no real reason it couldn't be carried out by someone else (if we CHOOSE to not have the bass player also play that part). I've gotta think, especially with 7-string guitars, that is wouldn't be too tough to have a guitar player (who's still responsible, more often than not, for playing something rhythmic) play something appropriate. Or a keyboard player, who's got more of a range into the sonic substrate, anyhow. If a guitarist can't play a groove, that's a pretty serious problem for the song, generally speaking. I can't think of too many songs where the guitarist has NO rhythmic responsibility. But a guitarist chinking out 9th chords on 2 and 4 during a blues bass solo is fulfilling a responsibility to the song that's relatively common. You may not like it (and I, too, would like to see a little more going on musically during a bass solo), but when you're competing, especially with an unamplified acoustic, with a jazz or blues band, it can be a challenge to even be HEARD, hence the tradition.
>Ah, the magic of the Jam. Thanks, Adam, for opening my eyes in a different >direction. I appreciate it (that statement, btw, was totally devoid of >sarcasm - I'm serious).
Heh...I like when we can kick things meaningfully around here. I haven't posted much lately, which is more a function of me being busy than anything else. But, in all honesty, I haven't found myself with much to say lately in response to all this (I went through my pro-Mike Bahr bit once several months ago, and I don't think me participating in any further dung-slinging would help the cause any). But yes, this is all pretty interesting to lil' ol' me.
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Metallica: Re-Load 3. Skeleton Key: Skeleton Key 4. X: Hey Zeus 5. Killing Joke: Democracy
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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