YTSEJAM Digest 3495
Today's Topics:
1) Drummers and Drum Solos
by Carol Dellinger <cdelling@mail.legato.com>
2) Re: End of the saga
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) copyright question
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
4) I only "like" them. (was: Anna Lee)
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
5) Speak To me
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
6) S-X, Al vs. Pat :), Lemur Voice gigs
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3494
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
8) Sebastian Bach &Skid Row
by T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
9) Sym X
by T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
10) Re: DT Themes and credit
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
11) Drummers
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
12) Setlists from Japanese shows
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
13) Jokes
by krackley@weidmuller.com
14) Re: Drummers & Marty Friedman
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Spock's Beard recommendation
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
16) guitar solos--WHY?
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
17) Weird Al, the OTHER weird Al, and the possibly-weird Marcel
by "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:30:24 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <cdelling@mail.legato.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drummers and Drum Solos
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980123103024.00a0b460@mail.legato.com>
AHEM!!!!!!!!
You all seem to be forgetting something. Yes Mike "Animal" Portnoy is
abso-freakin-lutely BRILLIANT, but after living with and supporting a
drummer for 5 years let me make a contribution to this list.
First and Foremost:
TERRY BOZZIO: Anything that man does! Simply fookin amazing!!!!
Neil Peart: The Rhythm Method..his live solo get's better with age...also
the drums on losing it!
Steve Smith: Ex Journey, The Storm and Vital Information......the quiet
storm that man is.....Momma always said still waters run deep and the quiet
ones are the ones you should watch out for. Go see him do a clinic...genius.
Deen Castronovo: Both he and Steve played for bands that had rock/pop
success so most folks don't ever think they are serious contenders....they
are. Also a treat to watch at a clinic.
Simon Phillips: I gotta agree with you guys on this one. Everything he
touches is magic...Watch the Delicate Sound of Thunder Tour video and
you'll see what I mean.
Rod Morgenstein: I had the rare opportunity to see him with Winger (yeah I
know, Winger?) and he and Reb Beach took the solo from Heading For a
Heartbreak and went OFF for at least 10 minutes. I guess I need to include
that in my best of for Guitar solos too! talks about a 10 minute eargasm!
Let us all take a moment to remember the Late Great Buddy Rich! That man
to whom all others look up to!
Okay that's just my fired up two cents worth.....now back to our regular
programming. BTW...keep those drummer jokes coming, for some reason
(wonder why?) I find them hysterically funny!
My contributions: Why to bands need Roadies? To translate what the
drummer says.
Q: What's the difference between a drum machine and a drummer?
A: You only have to punch the information into the drum machine once!
Love and Fire!
Hearts Away....
Coldfire
coldfire@pacbell.net
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/haight/25
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at
good-bye."
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:30:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: End of the saga
Message-ID: <199801231830.NAA25845@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
>
> Well Al Balkiewicz finally came through and sent me something to follow
> through on his end of a trade that we made many years ago...
>
> He sent me a nice check which was far more than I wanted or expected.
>
> I am sure you all will be sorry to see this saga end. I know you will all
> miss my bitching and complaining about this trade gone bad.
>
> Its over-done-finito.
>
It's far from over, DAMMIT! The check was changed to a higher
amount and cashed in.....rat-bastard, pillow-biting, gayer-than
a-hootenanny bastard!!!! You will pay for this, my friend, worse
than humanly imaginable...I will continue to post something in
every 'Jam until I get my just retribution!!!!!
Heed my warning Jammers! it has only just begun!
:P
just kidding....
-Al
-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html------------------------------
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:31:53 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: copyright question Message-ID: <199801231831.NAA26849@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
If a work is out of print, are there still implications for making CD-R copies of that material, if it is not being sold...........?
just wondering........
Al -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:41:59 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I only "like" them. (was: Anna Lee) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980123133755.7403A-100000@voyager.cris.com>
Michael Karlsson wrote:
> Symphony X-Am I the only one on the jam that doesn't love the band? I only > "like" them. :)
As surprising as it seems, you are not the only one. I think the other person who only "likes" them is um.... um... Dr. Mosh. Yeah, him. My sympathy goes out to the both of you. :)
Rick Audet
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Speak To me Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.980123141213.-342163A-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
Wow, they played it live, that is pretty cool. I finally figured out what this sounds like: a cross between Even the Waves and Nora from Kevin's demos. All it needs is his piano work (because's Derek sucks) and it would be vintage DT piece. Just some thoughts.
-Eric
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Under a Glass Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: S-X, Al vs. Pat :), Lemur Voice gigs Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980123135801.28199B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Al made a few remarks about Russ Allen of Symphony X:
> I personally > like his "softer" voice. The one song (I don't know the names > off-hand becuase I have the tape) at the part that starts something > like "looking out on the blue sky......etc.....I can see what I > left behii-i--i-i-nd.....etc....and I all know is my paradise > ha-aa-a-as be--e--e-e-gu--u-u-u-u-nnnnn.........."
That would be "Candlelight Fantasia". A lot of the people on this list seem to list that one as their favorite. Kickass title, too (though it will always make me think "Phantom of the Opera" for some reason).
And Pat freaked us all out with:
> Well Al Balkiewicz finally came through and sent me something to follow > through on his end of a trade that we made many years ago... > He sent me a nice check which was far more than I wanted or expected.
*cocks head* What's that swelling sound behind me? I hear angels singing Neil Peart's lyrics: "Try to hold some faith in the goodness of humanity..."
Oh, the irony of it all. Does anybody else find it amusing that Pat and Al showed up side by side in the list of posters on the last 'jam? Can we just let this one go now? Please?
Marcel remarked: > As for lemur Voice, the reason we are not playing that much right now is > that we are preparing the songs for the next album, we will go into the > studio soon and record the next album, the style will be a lot different, > it will be more experimental, I also use 7-string guitar now and a lot of > drop-D tuned passages. We also have the chapman sticks on 4 songs, so that > will be cool also.
Don't forget your fans here in the U.S., Marcel. I know a lot of people would get a serious kick out of seeing y'all play live.
Cheers, Phil
===================================================================== Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Def Leppard -- "Hysteria"
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:25:08 -0500 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3494 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980123142508.007b71b0@mindspring.com>
>Jan. 09, 1998 Nakano Sun Plaza, Tokyo, Japan > >Intro/ Lines In The Sand/ Burning My Soul/ Voices/ Hollow Years/ >Crack In The Mirror/ Puppies On Acid/ Just Let Me Breathe/ >Lie (The Mirror ending)/ Guitar Solo/ Peruvian Skies/ Pull Me Under/ >Take Away My Pain/ ACOS: The Darkest Of Winter/ The Ytse Jam >(incl. Drum Solo)/ New Millennium (encore) Metropolis Part I > >Jan. 16, 1998 Kouseinenkin Hall, Tokyo, Japan > >Intro/ ACOS: I & II/ Just Let Me Breathe/ You Not Me/ >Under A Grass Moon/ Guitar Solo/ Peruvian Skies/ Pull Me Under/ >Hollow Years/ Speak To Me/ Scarred/ ACOS: IV/ The Ytse Jam >(incl. Drum Solo)/ New Millennium (encore) Trial Of Tears >and... >NIGHTMARE CINEMA (Perfect Strangers/Suicide Solution)
Finally!!! This is how DT should play. Two different sets within a week of each other. There were a few repeats, but at least the order was changed and they finally played a show w/o Metropolis as the encore. I love Metropolis, of course, but so many of their shows from the Awake and FII tours have it as an encore that I was ready for something different. When they played TOT at Jaxx did they play Metrop as well? I'd love to hear the Suicide Solution from Nightmare Cinema. I wonder if (and if so, who) did the guitar solo for that. Hopefully they'll continue this trend of not-so-out-of-the-can shows from now on. Whoohoo! I can't wait for the full US tour in Spring/Summer...
Woohoo!!! (again) Take care all...
---------------------------------------- Adam Pye alpineone@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone ^^ Above URL for tapelist w/ setlists... ----------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:26:11, -0500 From: T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sebastian Bach &Skid Row Message-ID: <199801231926.OAA05124@mime2.prodigy.com>
As far as I know, Skid Row is done.....Mr. Bach has said it himself on his webpage (forget the address, you can get there thru Paul Cashman's page http://www.crl.com/~vanyel) that members of the band just don't waqnt to work together anymore.
Well just to add fuel to the fire, I believe Mr Bach is performing at teh Birch Hill sometime soon w/o Skid Row. The sign in the Ticket Center said "Sebastian Bach, former singer of Skid Row".
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Carpe Diem Steve
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:32:52, -0500 From: T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sym X Message-ID: <199801231932.OAA09134@mime2.prodigy.com>
The vocals are just great (see how it changes all the time in TDWoT, from a Dio-like tone to that clean and incredibly beautiful one in the end - "Looking up to the heavens..."
Have you gotten Damnation Game yet?? If ya like the way DWoT, You'll LOVE "A Winter's Dream: Prelude" then..
BTW, the band just put the finishing touches on the new one last week, so expect it soon.
____
Carpe Diem Steve
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:05:40 +0000 From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Themes and credit Message-ID: <1326554445-285642@hutman.com>
> From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> > > the really cool DT windows 95 theme that i use is available on > http://www.crypted.com . There's also one on the dreg records page, but > i don't like that one as well. That, and Washburn authored it and they don't > give him the credit...
Not true! Whatever contact/credit information that was originally supplied by the author in the setup file is (and always has been) included and left intact. At no time has DREG taken credit for the theme, nor has it taken credit away from the original author. if the author wants his information changed, updated, hilighted, or whatever, i would be more than happy to accomodate that at any time.
This theme wasn't lifted from some other site and pirated; it was given to me by the author to help him distribute it.
-steve
************************************************** DREG Records - New & Improved Progressive Rock http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
= Home of the Kansas Tribute compilation = **************************************************
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:18:42 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drummers Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980123141706.97106B-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>
>What CD would you guys suggest (from a DRUMMERS standpoint) for me if >I feel that I&W is THE desert island CD of choice ?
I highly recommend gettin Marty Friedman's Dragon's Kiss-- Castronovo's pretty unreal on that one.
-Frantz-
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:23:30 -0600 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Setlists from Japanese shows Message-ID: <34C8FC42.5CAF@auburn.net>
> Intro/ ACOS: I & II/ Just Let Me Breathe/ You Not Me/ > Under A Grass Moon/ Guitar Solo/ Peruvian Skies/ Pull Me Under/ ^^^^^
I love the Japanese 'jammers :) No offense intended, just in case.
> Hollow Years/ Speak To Me/ Scarred/ ACOS: IV/ The Ytse Jam > (incl. Drum Solo)/ New Millennium (encore) Trial Of Tears > and... > NIGHTMARE CINEMA (Perfect Strangers/Suicide Solution) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! Now this is something I'd like to see/hear. Maybe I'll get lucky and hear it one day.
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:38:51 -0500 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: Jokes Message-ID: <199801232038.PAA00128@mail.weidmuller.com>
> P.S. This was keyed in on a computer by a drummer.
Drummers can key twice as fast as guitarists because we use our hands and feet. 8^)
> P.S. If anyone has any jokes of this nature, send 'em to me!
How many guitarists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
one, after he watches how another guitarist does it and copies his technique. 8^) ha, ha, ha
What do you call a drummer that breaks up with his girlfriend?
homeless
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:39:52 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Drummers & Marty Friedman Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980123133950.006db0b8@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:30 PM 1/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >>What CD would you guys suggest (from a DRUMMERS standpoint) for me if >>I feel that I&W is THE desert island CD of choice ? > > I highly recommend gettin Marty Friedman's Dragon's Kiss-- >Castronovo's pretty unreal on that one. > I'll second that! If you like Megadeth's style, you'll LOVE this CD, and Castronovo is awesome. Jason Becker also appears on two tracks. Good stuff, just too bad it's about 35 minutes or so. Too short!!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:43:36 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Spock's Beard recommendation Message-ID: <199801232047.MAA13653@baygate.bayarea.net>
Paul W. Cashman wrote:
> Assume that for now, I can only buy one CD by Spock's. Which one > should I get? (I think Laser's Edge has 'em all....)
I haven't heard their new one yet, but I still feel I can heartily recommend that you start with "The Light". I got it about two weeks ago, and I don't even want to tell you how much it blew me away, for fear of giving it too big a build-up. "Beware of Darkness" is very cool too, but I appreciated it more after I listened to "The Light". And if that recommendation isn't enough for you, here are four more reasons to get "The Light":
1. It's their first album, so you can start from the beginning and work your way up.
2. The song sections have cool names like "Senor Valasco's Mystic Voodoo Love Dance" and "The Return of the Horrible Catfish Man".
3. My copy has a 2 minute bonus track, which is an excerpt from one of the songs on "Beware of Darkness", performed live.
4. You can sign all your e-mails "I am the Catfish Man! I can't hear you!", and make people wonder what the heck it means.
-Paul
I am the Catfish Man! I can't hear you!
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:53:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: guitar solos--WHY? Message-ID: <199801232046.PAA29881@bertelsmanncis.com>
With all of this talk about guitar solos floating around, I have a question for everyone. WHY? Why has music gotten to the point where every song needs a guitar solo? Is it the guitarist's ego? Is it the trappings of convention?
I think a lot about this, in my attempts to write music in a band setting. Songs definitely need to have variety to be interesting, to capture and hold the interest of the listener. In fact, one of the greatest attractions of Dream Theater to me is that it's normally never formulaic, a "take this riff from before and play fast over it" thing. So few bands, though, approach the concept of a solo in this creatively challenging way that DT does. If Eddie Van Halen does it for people, then great, but I have trouble thinking of a band that writes off a script more than they do. There are far too many songs that simply seem to be written so Eddie gets his cool solo.
The problem, though, is that this formula often becomes the norm. As much as I love FII, and in that it gives me so many things to be interested by, the more I hear BMS, the more it bugs me. OK, granted, we're talking about a keyboard solo, which redeems it a bit, but the song is such a cookie-cutter piece of heavy metal song-writing, it's frightening. (No need to mention YNM.)
I'm not advocating the abolition of guitar solos, or something like that. I'm just saying that guitar solos, more often than not (can you say "the black album"?), become so generic in their placement in the song, in the way they're performed, in their overall sound, that it's almost like that annoying "oom-oom-oom-oom" backbeat in every dance song on the radio--something redundant and to be tuned out. good solos add to the overall song, but in the all-too-frequent case of many guitar solos, I don't care how technically wonderful a guy is (like George Lynch, Reb Beach, Randy Rhoads, etc.), it's an excuse for self-indulgence.
any thoughts? (i suppose this means no drummers can respond....) =)
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:16 -0500 From: "Larry" <hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Weird Al, the OTHER weird Al, and the possibly-weird Marcel Message-ID: <01bd2847$a217cde0$373b5dcf@cadsystem>
Matt Johnson wrote:
>I have a lot of respect for Weird Al's guitarist -- he so almost got the >solo down on "Eat It" back when Eddie was still king and Kirk didn't even >know what a wah pedal was. >
Just to give the proper credit - I think it was Rick Derringer who did that solo. Jammerz, please correct me if I'm wrong (yea, like I needed to add THAT!)
Pat Daugherty wrote:
>Well Al Balkiewicz finally came through and sent me something to follow >through on his end of a trade that we made many years ago...
OHMIGOD - this is surely a Sign of the Apocalyse!
Seriously, I'm happy for both of you - no sarcasm intended. Now we're all one big happy family again! (OK, that last part WAS sarcastic . . .)
And demi-god Marcel Coenen wrote:
>As for lemur Voice, the reason we are not playing that much right now is >that we are preparing the songs for the next album, we will go into the >studio soon and record the next album, the style will be a lot different, >it will be more experimental, I also use 7-string guitar now and a lot of >drop-D tuned passages. We also have the chapman sticks on 4 songs, so >that will be cool also.
OK, I'm not even a drummer, but I'M drooling for this album! Any jammer who doesn't have Lemur Voice's "Insights" CD yet - What the holy frick are you waiting for?!?!?!? It kicks so much mighty monkey ass that I . . . I . . . well, just buy it - you'll see! Lemur Voice is easily my #2 fave band. Everybody in the band is excellent, and every song on the CD is solid. I can't wait for the new one!
BTW, Marcel, I love Gregoor's voice and everything, but . . . could you just ask him to . . . uh . . . *enunciate* just a little bit more? hehe - no offense meant, but it is really hard to understand the lyrics (I'm sure you've heard this before). Thanks, man. And how about some more guitar soloes - yours are all exquisite, but too short! While I'm at it, if I'm not being too presumptuous, would you care to explain the name "Lemur Voice" to us? I know you used to be "Aura" and had to change it for legal reasons, but where did you come up with LV?
Well, that's more than enough from me . . .
Ytsefart the Elder
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