YTSEJAM Digest 3498
Today's Topics:
1) Devin Townsend stuff
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
2) Genesis rehearsal set list (no spoliers)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
3) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
4) Beware of Sarcasm
by someone@prognosis.com
5) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
6) Rating the albums mathematically. (longish)
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
7) oh, and if anyone's wondering (TKH)
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
8) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
9) Re: Rating the albums mathematically. (longish)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3497
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
11) Re: Rating the albums mathematically. (longish)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Re: "Hollow Years" Single, Enchant, & "Guitar Battle" CD
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
13) DRUMMERZ
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net>
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:05:21 +0000
From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Devin Townsend stuff
Message-ID: <34CA3B71.CB6@sprynet.com>
I return from the darkness
Someone mentioned Devin Townsend as being a great vocalist. I strongly
agree and feel that he is much more than a typical singer. His style is
totally unique and very strong.
He has a bunch of different projects with the two main ones being:
Strapping YOung Lad - this is some VERY HEAVY stuff that leans towards
industrial/metal/black/angry stuff and it's almost like a wall of noise
but it's really good for those who can take the pressure. Devin also
plays guitar.
Ocean machine - now this is truly a masterpiece in my opinion. It's a
mixture of all sorts of different styles ranging from SYL type stuff to
more progressive sounding tunes and this also features Devin's strongest
vocal work. For any Devin fans out there from his Vai/Working Man stuff
I STRONGLY suggest you check this out as it ranks as a top five 97
release in my book.
Anyone want a demo tape from a friend of mine? It's progressive heavy
stuff (with black metal, old school progressive style, metal, and more)
and pretty original stuff. If you are interested check out
http://members.aol.com/CeaSerin/CeaSerin.html
or email me and I'll give you more details. It's quite good. Check it
out.
Thanks
Phillip
Now Playing: Samael "Passage"
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:22:05 -0400
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Genesis rehearsal set list (no spoliers)
Message-ID: <v01540b00b0f034d41770@[128.197.8.45]>
The set list for the dress rehearsal (January 23) of the new
Genesis tour has been posted to alt.music.genesis. You can find it there,
or I'll send it to you if you e-mail me privately.
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:44:27 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <34CA98FB.3FA1A59D@sydney.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Since I've got no response about EMPTY TREMOR, here is my last call to you.
>
> You call yourself "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" yes ?
Yes I do, but not everyone on this list likes everything that gets a
mention here.
> Here in the jam, we have more than 1500 people.
> I just wounder that only 4 persons have mailed me about Empty Tremor and how
> to order the best album since Images and Words/Awake.
HAH ! This is just your opinion :)
Off the top of my head I can rattle off ten albums that IMO are equal to
I&W
and better than Awake, but I am forbidden by the no top ten rule :)
I do remember you saying that ET 'are better than Angra' which made me
chuckle :)
> Empty Tremor from Italy are doubtless the best new prog band.
> It's not only my opinion, it's a fact.
ROTFL, c'mon how can it be a fact ?
You have said this, so it 'your opinion' :)
Italy has many young progressive bands that show a lot of promise
Eldritch, Time Machine, Novembre and Epica to name a few.
> They are 1000 x better musicians than the most other new prog bands (Vanden Plas).
Better than Angra, Payne's Gray ?
> Since Dream Theater (before FII), Empty Tremor are the band with the most
> complexity and talent. The only alternative to DT ?!?!?!
There are many alternatives to DT, but no one seems to do it better
than they can.
> I've made some samples from their incredible album "APOCOLOKYTOSYS" on
> my page. Please check them out and tell me what you think.
> I'm sure, that most of you will love this band.
I know you tend to be a 'little over the top' Arash sometimes :)
I have listened to the samples and they are pretty good, enough
for me to buy the album sometime soon.
Give em a listen, you could do a lot worse :)
graham
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:25:29 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Beware of Sarcasm
Message-ID: <199801250217.SAA28062@odin.ax.com>
> From: T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
> Subject: BIG Sym-X news
>
> Well y'all knew about their forthcoming album (damn that sounds like
> an add), But did ya also know they're putting together a new EP??
> Songs to be put on it include; an accoustic version of "The Accolade",
> some Gothic sounding Simon & Garfunkle song (I'd remember the name
> if I heard it), & one of the songs off their 1st album w/ Russ
> redoing the vocals (obvioulsy). You'll also get TOUR DATES soon!!!!
Holy Christ... PLEASE update us soon? Would the tune by CHANCE be
Scarborough Fair? ??? ??? : )
> From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
> Subject: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
>
> Hi
>
> Since I've got no response about EMPTY TREMOR, here is my last call to you.
>
> You call yourself "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" yes ?
Empty Tremor didn't blow my mind. They're good, but I'll have to
wait and hear full songs.
> Here in the jam, we have more than 1500 people.
I think that figure may be in err.
> I just wounder that only 4 persons have mailed me about Empty Tremor and how
> to order the best album since Images and Words/Awake.
Because a lot of us think you're on crack.
> Empty Tremor from Italy are doubtless the best new prog band.
> It's not only my opinion, it's a fact.
<RIKKI LAKE>
I KNOW YOU DID NOT GO THEYAH!
</RIKKI LAKE>
Are you sure you want to start this one up? Are you positive? Have
you been smoking Kuba's ashes?
> Since Dream Theater (before FII), Empty Tremor are the band with the most
> complexity and talent. The only alternative to DT ?!?!?!
Yes, you are on drugs.
> I remember thatI've tried the same thing with Shadow Gallery 2 years ago.
> Look now, they are really populare.
Yeah. And Shadow Gallery thanks you for all of your help. Without
you, they wouldn't be millionaires!
Have a wonderful day. :)
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:17:35 -0800
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <34CAA0BF.5845@pacbell.net>
Arash Ashouriha whined and bitched for no reason:
>
> Hi
>
> Since I've got no response about EMPTY TREMOR, here is my last call to you.
>
> You call yourself "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" yes ?
<Lorena Bobbitt Snip>
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SPEAK FOR ME!!!!!!
> to order the best album since Images and Words/Awake.
Man oh Man are you completely out of it! Lawd Have Mercy man..there has
been sooooo much since I&W!
> Since Dream Theater (before FII), Empty Tremor are the band with the most
> complexity and talent. The only alternative to DT ?!?!?!
Okay so you haven't heard of Symphony-X, Spock's Beard, Lemur Voice,
Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery, and the list goes on and on......
> We "PROG FANS" must help bands like Empty Tremor to survive.
DO NOT EVEN claim to speak for me boy...I am a MUSIC fan.....I like ALL
music not just PROG! ANd being a prog fan DOES NOT mean we have to like
all of it!
> These guys are young, they have no childrens,
What does having children have to to with it...look at Mike Portnoy.
You call us close minded but look in the mirror Arashole.....you are the
pot calling the kettle black!
> You can order Empty Tremor's album from the following mailorders:
>
Insulting us will not encourage us to buy their albums or check them
out....boy I hope that you are not their official PR guy. They will
never get anywhere fast!
> I remember thatI've tried the same thing with Shadow Gallery 2 years ago.
> Look now, they are really populare.
>
> Thank you for your understanding and stay prog. Sorry for "NDTC" !
>
I am sorry I am a very understanding person, but your narrow mindedness,
(the very same you accuse US of) has incensed me to no end!
An old saying you may want to remeber the next time you feel the need to
speak....
"you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar"
Next time you feel the urge to post...stop...think long and hard about
what you say...and then think some more...then don't post.
-- Hearts away.......Coldfire coldfire@pacbell.net ICQ: 4656934 http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/haight/25
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye."
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rating the albums mathematically. (longish) Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980124205916.255130B-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Hey, it's time to calculate once and for all the best Dream Theater album, and I've decided how to do it. Seeing as how I'm always right, it should be quite easy.
First step is to rate each song on each album according to the following scale: 4 - A must hear, Dream Theater classic 3 - Kickass good song, not quite godlike 2 - Pretty good, listen to if you can take the time 1 - Skip fodder 0 - Innocence faded? Never heard of it. No such song.
Then we average the scores so that albums with more songs don't get an unfair advantage over the old days.
So, let's look at the albums.
WHEN DREAM AND DAY UNITE A Fortune in Lies - 2 Status Seeker - 3 The Ytse Jam - 4 The Killing Hand - 3 Light Fuse and Get Away - 4 Afterlife - 2 The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun - 4 Only a Matter of Time - 4 Score: 3.25
IMAGES AND WORDS Pull Me Under - 2 Another Day - 0 Take the Time - 4 Surrounded - 0 Metropolis Part I - 4 Under a Glass Moon - 3 Wait for Sleep - 3 Learning to Live - 4 Score: 2.5
AWAKE 6:00 - 3 Caught in a Web - 2 Innocence Faded - 0 Erotomania - 4 Voices - 2 The Silent Man - 1 The Mirror - 4 Lie - 3 Lifting Shadows Off a Dream - 0 Scarred - 4 Space Dye Vest - 4 Score: 2.45
FALLING INTO INFINITY New Millennium - 3 You Not Me - 1 Peruvian Skies - 2 Hollow Years - 1 Burning My Soul - 2 Hell's Kitchen - 2 Lines in the Sand - 4 Take Away My Pain - 0 Just Let Me Breathe - 2 Anna Lee - 0 Trial of Tears - 4 Score: 1.91
So my conclusion: As far as complete albums go, the band has headed steadily downhill since its inception in average album quality, with a great increase in speed beginning with the current album.
-=- "I know you all love Billy Ray Cyrus... Fuck, any woman here would fucking almost break her pelvis to open her legs for that mongoloid fuck to drop his filthy cracker seed into your fucking womb. Liar! Liars!" -- Hicks
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: oh, and if anyone's wondering (TKH) Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980124212405.238469A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
why I gave The Killing Hand a 3, rather than a 4, it's because something about Charlie's voice just rubs me the wrong way in the middle of this song. I don't like James's on LATM, either. Anyone else feel this way?
-=- "I know you all love Billy Ray Cyrus... Fuck, any woman here would fucking almost break her pelvis to open her legs for that mongoloid fuck to drop his filthy cracker seed into your fucking womb. Liar! Liars!" -- Hicks
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:31:59 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980125003120.28602A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> You call yourself "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" yes ?
No. :-)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:40:40 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Rating the albums mathematically. (longish) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980125003251.28602B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, a thing with a voice wrote:
> Hey, it's time to calculate once and for all the best Dream Theater album, > and I've decided how to do it. Seeing as how I'm always right, it should be > quite easy.
Yeah. :-) The next step is now prove that every number (natural, integer, rational, real, complex, quaternion, octonion, modulo anything, whatever) is equal to every other, right? :-) We'll be even proving that sets of different cardinalities are the same, huh? :-)) You'll be proving this on Zermello-Fraenkel set theory, right? This way, it will be undeniably right, of course (or we have encountered inconsistency within Mathematics). :-)
Oh, and to a more basic subject, please, don't forget to give your averages weighted by time. :-)
> So my conclusion: As far as complete albums go, the band has headed steadily > downhill since its inception in average album quality, with a great increase > in speed beginning with the current album.
Yeah! :-))
See you on sci.math.research, Roger...
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:05:23 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com, raab@mail.bip.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3497 Message-ID: <34CABA03.921E7B98@netins.net>
Moose, If it's what I'm thinking there's a program called 'uncook' that takes care of it. I got it from a friend, I don't know where he got it. There's another program called 'MP3 Infirmary' that might be able to help you out. I can't tell you how silly I felt after deleted MP3 after MP3 because they were garbled just to learn they can fixed in about a minute.
good luck, tk
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:47:16 +0100 > From: "Wille Raab" <raab@mail.bip.net> > To: <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: SV: MP3 Question (DT-related) > Message-ID: <0264f1548231818MAIL2@mail.bip.net> > > > I downloaded the Burning My Soul demo from the site referred to on Under > A Cyber Moon, > > ..I downloaded Hollow Years, and that sounds like something you don't want > to mention... :-/ Might be my winamp though, I haven't played anything > else using it so...... > But anyway; > > > Can anyone here help me? > > // Moose > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 3497 > **************************
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:34:19 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rating the albums mathematically. (longish) Message-ID: <199801250434.UAA17213@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, a thing with a voice said: > >Hey, it's time to calculate once and for all the best Dream Theater album, >and I've decided how to do it. Seeing as how I'm always right, it should be >quite easy. > >First step is to rate each song on each album according to the following >scale: > 4 - A must hear, Dream Theater classic > 3 - Kickass good song, not quite godlike > 2 - Pretty good, listen to if you can take the time > 1 - Skip fodder > 0 - Innocence faded? Never heard of it. No such song. > >Then we average the scores so that albums with more songs don't get an >unfair advantage over the old days. >
You forgot your bias factor of -5... applying that to your rating, everything comes out into the negatives, or zero... so pretty much your opinions = 0.
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:48:19 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: "Hollow Years" Single, Enchant, & "Guitar Battle" CD Message-ID: <5155495c.34cac415@aol.com>
Hey folx -
Just a couple of things this time. I know that this has been beaten to death on the Jam before, but I FINALLY got my "Hollow Years" CD Single (I ordered it over a month ago!), and I must say that I am absolutely BLOWN AWAY by how great the demo of "You Not(Or) Me" is!! I'm not sure which deletions/changes were exactly Desmond Childs or Kevin Shirley, but DAMN whomever changed the arrangement and structure of the original! I feel that it is worlds better than the album version, although the changes were so drastic that it sounds like 2 completely different songs to me. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents worth of a rant. I'm just glad the band released this version to the public. I really wonder if the band is truly happy with the finished product of the song since it's so different (and "watered down", in my opinion) than the demo version. I know that the band really didn't care if Child worked with it since they didn't think it would make the final album cut anyway. I wonder if the band had the power to reject Child's version, or since the label brought in such a famous hired gun, they were compelled (and maybe pressured by the label) to use the new version of the song on the album even if they weren't satisfied with the results? Does anyone know any behind-the-scenes details on this issue?
Secondly, I know a lot of you out there (myself not included) are Enchant fans, and I remember at some point there was an Enchant album that was VERY hard for people to get their hands on. Was it "Time Lost"? I just got a catalog in the mail from Jart Music, and they have a release called "Time Lost" available on pre-order for $22.99. Their phone number is (914) 832-3669, and they're on the web at www.jartmusic.com, in case anyone's interested.
Hope this helps! Good night...
- Matt T.
NP: You Or Me (What else?)
PS: Has anyone heard of a Japanese CD called "Guitar Battle"? Jart has it advertised as featuring John Petrucci, along with a bunch of others like Al Pitrelli, George Lynch, and Steve Morse. Does anyone have any idea what tracks JP plays on? I also really like Pitrelli's work in 'Tage, is this CD worth getting?
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:31:05 -0500 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <jkube@cyberportal.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DRUMMERZ Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980125003105.007b1400@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Hello there....
I have to add this in... Drum Solo's... It has to be none other than Randy Castillo NOT!! Actually I would say Peart... His solos really "Flow" better than anyone else that I have ever heard. Everything seems to "mesh" together perfectly. As for drummers that kick ass that haven't been mentioned... Mark Zonder.. In fact, I was listening to Fates today...AWESOME. The music industry modeled the Metronome after him... He created it. Flowing, unique is all that can describe Mark Zonder. If you haven't heard it.. GET IT! Later, J
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