YTSEJAM Digest 3499
Today's Topics:
1) Math = Truth
by someone@prognosis.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
3) Lie single?
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
5) Re: Lie single?
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
6) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
7) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
8) Re: oh, and if anyone's wondering (TKH)
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
11) Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
12) WOW. Amazing.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
13) YTSEJAM digest 3498
by T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:31:24 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Math = Truth
Message-ID: <199801250623.WAA29406@odin.ax.com>
Wow... since someone was able to sum up music into a mathematical
equation... I guess it can't be wrong. Someone give me Kuba's e-mail
address, so I can send him an apology.
Dream Theater,
Please, make the right decision, and stop making "music". We
wouldn't want to think any less of you than we do already. We
understand that you're trying, but it's just not working. The
numbers don't lie... John Petrucci, I know of a deli that could use a
new sandwich guy... Mike... have you considered boxing? ... Myung, my
buddy... one word: Mime. And Derek... well, you're just fuckin'
weird... see ya in the soup kitchen!
Ytsejammers... heed the call... unsubscribe. This list is headed for
an inevitable desuetude (It's a word... :P)... I will stay and go
down with the ship, for I fear that the poor. failing band is unable
to accept it's demise, and I can not stand back and let them fall
alone... I will stay to the very death, should it come to that
fatalistic end.
Fare the well, and may ye have the foresight to depart from the next
list, before that band too, is mathematically prostrated!
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:41:27 EST
From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
Message-ID: <7465da91.34cade99@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/25/98 0:39:54, a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
wrote:
>
>Hey, it's time to calculate once and for all the best Dream Theater album,
>and I've decided how to do it. Seeing as how I'm always right, it should be
>quite easy.
>
>First step is to rate each song on each album according to the following
>scale:
> 4 - A must hear, Dream Theater classic
> 3 - Kickass good song, not quite godlike
> 2 - Pretty good, listen to if you can take the time
> 1 - Skip fodder
> 0 - Innocence faded? Never heard of it. No such song.
>
>Then we average the scores so that albums with more songs don't get an
>unfair advantage over the old days.
once i stopped laughing at the sillines of such a reviewing system, i just
realized....it's silly.
ho-hum.
ytsegoon (open minded prog fan? me? please. dt might be the only modern prog
rock band i like and will ever want to listen to)
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david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"it's hard for me to say what's right when all i wanna do is wrong." -prince
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:02:47 -0500
From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lie single?
Message-ID: <v01530504b0f0916ac1e7@[209.50.100.137]>
>>Anyone want a demo tape from a friend of mine? It's progressive heavy
>>stuff (with black metal, old school progressive style, metal, and more)
>>and pretty original stuff. If you are interested check out
>>http://members.aol.com/CeaSerin/CeaSerin.html
This has nothing to do with my question, but it's a good demo so I thought
I'd like to see in here again :-) My question... What songs are on the Lie
single?
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:04:38 -0800
From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
Message-ID: <01bd295f$8131d300$748c15cf@markphil>
Whoah, um... no... not right, this is my first responce in a long time to
something I though was not right on the Jam, so here I go...
Since I'm writing this addition, your "always right" theory must be
reevaluated!
>First step is to rate each song on each album according to the following
>scale:
> 4 - A must hear, Dream Theater classic
> 3 - Kickass good song, not quite godlike
> 2 - Pretty good, listen to if you can take the time
> 1 - Skip fodder
> 0 - Innocence faded? Never heard of it. No such song.
Seams fine.... Scales are usually out of 10 or 5 but I can work with 4.
>WHEN DREAM AND DAY UNITE
> A Fortune in Lies - 2
> Status Seeker - 3
> The Ytse Jam - 4
> The Killing Hand - 3
> Light Fuse and Get Away - 4
> Afterlife - 2
> The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun - 4
> Only a Matter of Time - 4
>Score: 3.25
First off,
AFiL is probably one of the better songs on this album... Definately a 4.
The Killing Hand.... Are you kidding!!! This is a great song (especially
when James does it).... 4
LFaGA - 3
TOWHtStS - 3
Recalculated score: 3.375 (Faired just a little better)
>IMAGES AND WORDS
> Pull Me Under - 2
> Another Day - 0
> Take the Time - 4
> Surrounded - 0
> Metropolis Part I - 4
> Under a Glass Moon - 3
> Wait for Sleep - 3
> Learning to Live - 4
>Score: 2.5
OH MY GOD!! ARE YOU NUTS?
PMU - 4
AD - 3
TTT - 4
Surrounded - 2 (Possibly a 3)
Met - 4
UaGM - 4
WfS - 4
LtL - 4
Recalc Score: 3.625
>AWAKE
> 6:00 - 3
> Caught in a Web - 2
> Innocence Faded - 0
> Erotomania - 4
> Voices - 2
> The Silent Man - 1
> The Mirror - 4
> Lie - 3
> Lifting Shadows Off a Dream - 0
> Scarred - 4
> Space Dye Vest - 4
>Score: 2.45
You must have listening to static.
6:00 - 3
CiaW - 4
Innocence F - 3 (This is a great song! Why does no one like it!)
Erot - 4
Voices - 4 (Wholy SHIT! Come on man!)
Silent Man - 4
The Mirror - 4
Lie - 4
LSOaD - 4 (Jesus!)
Scarred - 4
SDV - 4
Recalc Score: 3.82 (There we go!)
>FALLING INTO INFINITY
> New Millennium - 3
> You Not Me - 1
> Peruvian Skies - 2
> Hollow Years - 1
> Burning My Soul - 2
> Hell's Kitchen - 2
> Lines in the Sand - 4
> Take Away My Pain - 0
> Just Let Me Breathe - 2
> Anna Lee - 0
> Trial of Tears - 4
>Score: 1.91
Kay...
NM - 3
YNM - 0 (The Demo is much better)
PS - 4
HY - 3
BMS -1
HK - 2
LitS - 4
TAMP - 3
JLMB - 3
AL - 2
ToT - 4
Recalc Score: 2.64
My Own Calc:
Unreleased Material
To Live Forever - 10 (Off the scale)
A Change of Seasons - 10 (Off the scale)
Eve - 4
You Not Me Demo - 2
Take Away My Pain Demo - 3
Speak to Me - 2
The Way it Used to Be - 2
Cover My Eyes - 3
Hollow Years Demo - 3
Burning My Soul Demo - 0 (If DT could go negative, this is where they'd do
it)
Lines in the Sand Demo - 4
Just Let Me Breath Demo - 2
>So my conclusion: As far as complete albums go, the band has headed
steadily
>downhill since its inception in average album quality, with a great
increase
>in speed beginning with the current album.
HELL NO! Most every song DT has released has been a hallmark in some
form!!! Besides for a few songs on FII (BMS, YNM) EVERY SINGLE SONG is a
work of art! There was a post not long ago about the worst DT song...
Jesus! We dream that we could do what they do. I respect everyone is
entitled to their own opinions, and I respect that. THis post is my opinion
and the post before was his. But jesus.... How can you say DT has gone
down hill! They've progressed. Maybe in a few directions that some of us
don't like, but as far as I'm concered, they are one of the best bands
period... end of discussion.... You have to appreciate musicians (being one
myself) for releasing material of the quality they do, whether you like it
or not. Now that I read over what I've said I relize I'm going to get
flamed up the ass with a flaming gerbal.... but that's Ok, becuase I stated
my opion, and that's that.
Mark
"Look at my eyes and tell me, have I lost my mind?" - Dream Theater "Cover
My Eyes"
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:11:03 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lie single?
Message-ID: <34CAE587.A656167F@sydney.net>
Jeff Keifling wrote:
> This has nothing to do with my question, but it's a good demo so I thought
> I'd like to see in here again :-) My question... What songs are on the Lie
> single?
1. Lie (Edit) 5.00
2. Space-Dye Vest 7.29 (Album Version)
3. To Live Forever 4.54
4. Another Day (Live) 4.43
graham
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:55:08 -0800
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, icarus@sydney.net
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <34CB7C7C.1587@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Graham Boyle wrote :
>Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Since I've got no response about EMPTY TREMOR, here is my last call to you.
>>
>> You call yourself "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" yes ?
>Yes I do, but not everyone on this list likes everything that gets a
>mention here.
>> Here in the jam, we have more than 1500 people.
>> I just wounder that only 4 persons have mailed me about Empty Tremor and how
>> to order the best album since Images and Words/Awake.
>HAH ! This is just your opinion :)
>Off the top of my head I can rattle off ten albums that IMO are equal to
>I&W
>and better than Awake, but I am forbidden by the no top ten rule :)
>I do remember you saying that ET 'are better than Angra' which made me
>chuckle :)
That's only my oppinon. I don't like power metal that much.
Acutally I'm an Angra fan and I own both Angra CD's (Holly Land limited edition 2CD 60 DM)
and I also like Stratosvarious but IMO, Empty Tremor, Shadow Gallery, Spock's Beard, Fates Warning
Royal Hunt or Encahnt makes better music then power metal.
>> Empty Tremor from Italy are doubtless the best new prog band.
>> It's not only my opinion, it's a fact.
>ROTFL, c'mon how can it be a fact ?
>You have said this, so it 'your opinion' :)
>Italy has many young progressive bands that show a lot of promise
>Eldritch, Time Machine, Novembre and Epica to name a few.
Ok I said this so it's my opinion :)
>> They are 1000 x better musicians than the most other new prog bands (Vanden Plas).
>Better than Angra, Payne's Gray ?
Angra are not a new band. I think Angra are great musicians but I don't like power metal.
As I allready said, I don't like power metal or even symphonic power metal "Rhypsody" that much.
But Empty Tremor are much better than Vanden Plas.
>> Since Dream Theater (before FII), Empty Tremor are the band with the most
>> complexity and talent. The only alternative to DT ?!?!?!
>There are many alternatives to DT, but no one seems to do it better
>than they can.
That's exactly my opinion. Even the members of Empty Tremor are the same opinion. :-)
>> I've made some samples from their incredible album "APOCOLOKYTOSYS" on
>> my page. Please check them out and tell me what you think.
>> I'm sure, that most of you will love this band.
>I know you tend to be a 'little over the top' Arash sometimes :)
>I have listened to the samples and they are pretty good, enough
>for me to buy the album sometime soon.
It's a matter of taste. My friend Adrain (who have made the tabs) is a guitar theacher.
He shows Empty Tremor in the school and all DT fans were blown away.
So I thought, most of you would like them too !
>Give em a listen, you could do a lot worse :)
Ha ha ha
>graham
Btw, I was sure, graham would be the first jammers, who would replay to this mail :)
We will be friends forever ;)
Arash
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| DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY |
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| http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm |
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| by Arash Ashouriha |
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:21:11 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <34CB0407.D9AEAAD0@sydney.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> That's only my oppinon.
So why did you say 'it's a fact' then ?
Do you know the difference between an opinion and fact ?
I don't think you do, find a dictionary pronto.
> We will be friends forever ;)
Yeah and when hell freezes over come and talk to me.......
graham
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:30:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: oh, and if anyone's wondering (TKH)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980125012849.24709A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, a thing with a voice wrote:
>
>why I gave The Killing Hand a 3, rather than a 4, it's because something
>about Charlie's voice just rubs me the wrong way in the middle of this song.
>I don't like James's on LATM, either. Anyone else feel this way?
>
The only person I've heard sing that scetion in the middle (I am the
killing HAAAAAAND!) to my liking was John Arch in a vocal demo. The
harmony kicked my ass. Range as good as it ever was.
Oh, if you're going to quantify quality, do not forget to take quantity
(length of songs) into account. Colleges do this by multiplying the grade
point by the credit hours, then dividing by total credit hours. Try
minutes (round up)...
^_^
> -=-
>"I know you all love Billy Ray Cyrus... Fuck, any woman here would fucking
>almost break her pelvis to open her legs for that mongoloid fuck to drop
>his filthy cracker seed into your fucking womb. Liar! Liars!" -- Hicks
>
>--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====-------------------
> http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
>
>
--Matt
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:36:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980125013606.24709B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Graham Boyle wrote:
>
>Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>
>> That's only my oppinon.
>
>So why did you say 'it's a fact' then ?
>Do you know the difference between an opinion and fact ?
>I don't think you do, find a dictionary pronto.
I thought you of all people would catch the obvious sarcasm...
So much for you and your little sarcasm detector...
>
>> We will be friends forever ;)
>
>Yeah and when hell freezes over come and talk to me.......
>
>graham
>
--Matt
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:40:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3498
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980125013922.24709C-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Mark Philpot wrote:
>HELL NO! Most every song DT has released has been a hallmark in some
>form!!! Besides for a few songs on FII (BMS, YNM) EVERY SINGLE SONG is a
>work of art! There was a post not long ago about the worst DT song...
So, every song kicks ass, excpet for the ones that don't. ^_^
Very (and I mean this honestly) logically sound.
Unfortulately, you succeeded in making no point whatsoever.
Sorry. Come again drive thru.
>
>Mark
>
>
>"Look at my eyes and tell me, have I lost my mind?" - Dream Theater "Cover
>My Eyes"
>
>
>
--Matt
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:08:09 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YOU CALL YOURSELF "OPEN MINDED PROG MUSIC FAN" ?
Message-ID: <34CB0F09.15C0C2@sydney.net>
Matt Johnston wrote:
> I thought you of all people would catch the obvious sarcasm...
> So much for you and your little sarcasm detector...
Er no I don't think so, I just don't like 'facts' being
shoved down my throat that are in fact really opinions.
I see no sarcasm in that :)
graham
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:11:06 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WOW. Amazing.
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980125031106.00850190@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>Hey, it's time to calculate once and for all the best Dream Theater album,
>and I've decided how to do it. Seeing as how I'm always right, it should be
>quite easy.
You are dumber than the guy that posted about Empty Tremor!
>So my conclusion: As far as complete albums go, the band has headed steadily
>downhill since its inception in average album quality, with a great increase
>in speed beginning with the current album.
Uh, and if you plot the slope of your forehead...What the hell are you
talking about!
You make me laugh.
Jon
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:04:07, -0500
From: T_Karrde@prodigy.com (MR STEVE J VOGEL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 3498
Message-ID: <199801251704.MAA05344@mime2.prodigy.com>
>>Would the tune by CHANCE be
Scarborough Fair? ??? ??? : )<<
Yes, I believe that is the song they'll be doing. Is it a good tune??
I've never heard it.
____
Carpe Diem
Steve
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