YTSEJAM Digest 3512
Today's Topics:
1) QR
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2) Re: FII unreleased and demo tracks
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) FII Demos
by Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net>
4) Re: FII unreleased and demo tracks
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
5) Re: Mad-Dope-Fly What?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: Dr. Mosh
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) Subconscious for sale
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
8) blah
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
9) Pat Travers
by "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com>
10) Re: Anglagard Epilog track 4
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
11) the defining album of the prog-metal genre
by a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org>
12) Iced Earth (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
13) Subconscious for sale?
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
14) degarmo for bettencourt?
by Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com>
15) Creeping Breath
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
16) Re: Iced Earth (NDTC)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:19:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: QR
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980128171751.758A-100000@bdmserver>
Olli said:
>replacement for Chris DeGarmo....
>..shall be Nuno Bettencourt, heard from reliable source who is VERY near
>the band
I hope this is not true. I doubt it is. Nuno would not fit with QR at all
(IMHO). Look at Skizophrenic, that is the direction NUNO is going. I dont
want QR going that way...
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:26:00 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FII unreleased and demo tracks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980128212158.614A-100000@blum.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Eric Rodger wrote:
> Speak to Me (Jap FII)
> TAMP demo (Jap FII)
> The Way it Used to Be (HY single)
> You or Me demo (HY single)
> Cover My Eyes
Hollow Years Demo
Raise the Knife LONG version, instrumental (11 minutes, not the 3 minute
version)
Just Let Me Breathe Demo
> Raise the Knife inst. (on one of Bahr's CDs, and Spinning Years MP3
> compilation)
> Raise the Knife with vocals
> Where Are You Now?
> LitS demo
> BMS demo
>
> what did I miss?
Here's everything that I know of. All 3 which I added are on the
Bootleg CD "FII Demos".
> KAI
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:44:21 -0500 From: Tim Lodge <axe@mail1.nai.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FII Demos Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980128174421.006fabac@ct1.nai.net>
Thanks to Craig for posting the proper URL for the FII demos... Does anyone know a web address that has the .MP3 version of the NEW MILLENIUM DEMO? The site Craig posted has:
Lines in the Sand (demo) Burning My Soul (demo) Hollow Years (demo) Just Let Me Breath (demo) Cover My Eyes (demo)
These are the only tracks in the "FII demos" section... So if anyone knows a site where I can d/l the .mp3's to New Millenium or any of the other FII album demo tracks, PLEASE PLEASE email it to me at: axe@ct1.nai.net
Also I've heard some discussion about "uncooking" .mp3's that are damaged in the d/l transfer... Is it easy to tell which .mp3's require uncooking???? Or would it be a very subtle thing???? I downloaded an "uncooker" , but the page said that if you use Internet Explorer then you *never* have this problem downloading .mp3's... only with netscape.....???
Thanks..
--Tim--
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:56:06 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FII unreleased and demo tracks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980128175606.00b24c80@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Also, is there a Peruvian Skies demo?
KAI
At 02:34 PM 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote: > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Eric Rodger wrote: > >> Speak to Me (Jap FII) >> TAMP demo (Jap FII) >> The Way it Used to Be (HY single) >> You or Me demo (HY single) >> Cover My Eyes > > Hollow Years Demo > Raise the Knife LONG version, instrumental (11 minutes, not the 3 minute >version) > Just Let Me Breathe Demo > >> Raise the Knife inst. (on one of Bahr's CDs, and Spinning Years MP3 >> compilation) >> Raise the Knife with vocals >> Where Are You Now? >> LitS demo >> BMS demo >> >> what did I miss? > > Here's everything that I know of. All 3 which I added are on the >Bootleg CD "FII Demos". > > >> KAI > > []s, Roger... > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito > Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" > Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html > "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" > James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:03:28 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mad-Dope-Fly What? Message-ID: <199801282303.PAA21073@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Christopher Ptacek said: > > LOL! RIGHT ON! And Mosh... my suspicion is that DeGarmo was the >cause of QR's selloutly-seeming downfall... are you at least curious to >see if they'll make a comeback?
Well, I have pretty much written Queensryche off, I respect them a lot... and what they have contributed in their past-lives. But Metallica is just so fun to pick on because there is always people out there saying, "They haven't sold out... they just changed diapers!!"
Perhaps QR will return back to the beef, and forget the fluff...
> This is perfect. And thanks for the unwarranted compliments. My >ego is growing as we speak. :) Soon I'll be as cool as Yngwie!
Yeah, just don't GET as big as Yngwie, or Michael "cheezepoofs" Romeo... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:06:00 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dr. Mosh Message-ID: <199801282306.PAA21138@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, alex fraser said: > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Uroborosss wrote: > >> Dr. Mosh is a peepee-head!! Dr. Mosh never gets a warm "You've Got Mail!" > > >I don't think I could have said that better myself. > >Of course, he doesn't generally get a warm anything... >
Just because I'm a necrophiliac...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subconscious for sale Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95q.980128175241.23046A-100000@descartes.uwaterloo.ca>
> I'm selling an original "Subconscious" (#426) for $100 > on a first come, first served basis. Please respond to > me at james.utz@usa.net if you are interested.
Well, seeing as I'm over $121,877 in debt (most of which I was scammed out of by one of those MLM companies over the last 5 years) and have already sold all my old Transformers and G.I. Joe's, not to mention that there have been 11 deaths in the family, 3 of my computers died, my cat got electrocuted, I'm 4 months overdue on rent, my girlfriend is pregnant, and I have to buy a new truck, I'm letting go of a few items!
I'm selling my original "Subconscious" (#218) as well. Minimum bid is $195.41 (since his #426 is 195.41% higher than mine), and I'll sell it to the highest bidder after two weeks, OR when the first bid of $1000 or more is made. If I sell it for over $1000, I'll even cover the shipping costs!
Oh, I also have one Lie single remaining, which I'm going to sell as I've saved the two non-album/LATM tracks on my HD and will put them on a CD-R. I'll take the best offer over $500.
E-mail me privately if you're interested!
** Lars Hellsten (lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) **
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:16:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: blah Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980128151630.00843cd0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> >Hi! :-) > >Here=B4s my contribution to this thread: > >I COULDN`T CARE LESS!!!!!!!!! > >-Vilzu-
Here's my contribution to your thread.
I COULDNT CARE LESS THAT YOU COULDNT CARE LESS!
:-)
You know you're a stupid jammer if (YKYASJI):
- You think anyone NOT on AOL cares about anyone who IS on AOL.
- You STILL tell us your top ten CDs, or what is NP:.
Jon
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:42:26 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" <charlie_farrell@email.msn.com> To: "Ytsejam list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pat Travers Message-ID: <0ee132025231c18UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com>
>One more: Pat Travers - Stevie(from Makin' Magic)....talk about playing with >feeling!! Any of you other jammers ever into PT??
I caught this guy a couple of times back in the 70's in some small halls when he had Tommy Aldridge with him - just great blue/rock playing. I loved him! (for a while)
Unfortunatley his recording career then took a real downturn and he produced some really poor records. However he seems to be back on the road - I'm sure I've seen posters for his gigs around London during the last few years. Haven't been curious enough to check him out though.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Anglagard Epilog track 4 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980128182427.179075C-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
> i never understood this--thought i had a problem with the cd. is this > really what happened?
Yep. It was going to be another string piece (probably short, like the first and last tracks) and something or other (I'm not sure exactly what) fell through.
Tragic. I don't know if this piece exists in any recorded form out there, but it'd be nice to have. It's a true shame that the band broke up.
-=- "I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you're offended, I'm actually sorry just the fact that you're Catholic." -- Bill Hicks
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the defining album of the prog-metal genre Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.980128183050.179075D-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
> The point I was trying to make (in a round-about way) is that, IN MY > OPINION, Images & Words will one day be looked back on as (and to > some extent is already considered to be) THE defining album of the > prog-metal genre. And, again IN MY OPINION, I&W is just about as
I think you are right with this point. Because every band that comes out these days, if people classify it prog-metal, is trying to sound like Images and Words era-DT (WDADU was a great album, but I would consider it more prog-rock than prog-metal). So in years to come people will look to I&W to summarise the prog-metal movement (assuming the prog-metal is coming to a close, which looks possible when you consider the lack of good feeling that many have for Magna Carta--probably the biggest prog-metal pusher--and the moving away from prog or the folding of many of the big names--such as Thought Industry, Anacrusis, Cynic, and Atheist). I&W represents the strengths as well as many of the warts of what has been for some bands a crossover effort (sort of like the heavy version of neo-prog).
The only way I can see to make I&W more of a perfect sign of the times would be to have ACOS (the fast version) on it.
-=- "I'm sorry if anyone here is Catholic. I'm not sorry if you're offended, I'm actually sorry just the fact that you're Catholic." -- Bill Hicks
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:44:43 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Iced Earth (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980128234443.006bef94@pop.pipeline.com>
Phil gushed: >Iced Earth is a kickass prog metal band. I saw 'em play for the first time >at this past year's Dragon*Con and they put on a *hell* of a live show >with lots of energy and high-quality musicianship.
While I agree that Iced Earth is "kick-ass," I would be hesitant to describe them as "prog metal." I think Power Metal would be a much more accurate description. If you buy this cd expecting to hear DT or Angra or any other prog metallic material, you will be disappointed. Emphasis on the metal. Good stuff, but not proggish.
CD of the Day: Conception - Parallel Minds
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions 29-13-10 vs Phoenix Coyotes Someone has to repeat! ;-)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:46:11 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subconscious for sale? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980128234611.006b6fc4@pop.pipeline.com>
some guy was trying to rip off the list by offering an :original: version of subconscious for $100. I will sell anyone mine for half that, including shipping.
CD #2 of the Day: Conception - In Your Multitude
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions 29-13-10 vs Phoenix Coyotes Someone has to repeat! ;-)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:57:11 EST From: Thrak75 <Thrak75@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: degarmo for bettencourt? Message-ID: <849476a3.34cfc5d9@aol.com>
i read the news about degarmo reading with a heavy heart. he really was the musical and lyrical force behind that band. not to say that the other 4 guys can't hold their own, but chris degarmo really WAS queensryche, in my opinion, anyway. i can't possibly imagine what they will sound like, regardless of who fills in for him.
to compare this to kevin leaving doesn't do it much justice. sure, kevin was a huge force in the early dt, but petrucci especially also had as big an influence on the band's sound. even if nuno were to be the new guy (and he's not bad with his guitar), i'm still not looking forward to this.
the end of an era? most likely so. too bad.
koba, wild.
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"it's hard for me to say what's right when all i wanna do is wrong." -prince ************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:42:04 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Creeping Breath Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980128164204.006c0dec@pop.cfmc.com>
I dunno. I guess I just wasn't in the mood to work too hard for the moment...
>From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > >Ben Affleck played "Buttman" in Mallrats, and the main male character (the >penciller of Bluntman and Chronic) in Chasing Amy. He's in a couple of >new non-Kevin Smith movies this season, Good Will Hunting (Will Hunting's >friend in that one, I believe), and another, rather bad movie that I can't >remember the name to.
(Assuming proper movie trailer voice:) Shannon Hamilton IS....Buttman... Yeah, he's a talented guy. Kevin Smith is still THE Man, though.
>From: chet@iolinc.net (Cathy Tobrey) > >billy sheenan, the former mr big star is in his own band "Niacin". btw i > saw that band on the f*ckin black entertainment network jazz hour >that show somtimes has very talented jazz bands....check it out
Didn't we cover this a while back? Niacin is the organ trio that Sheehan's got doing with John Novello and Dennise Chambers. Good stuff...
>From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> > >Civilian >Wind and Wuthering >Works vol. 2 >90125 >Signals >Falling Into Infinity?
An interesting thesis. But equating "Wind and Wuthering" with "Signals?" I think "Wind and Wuthering" is more like "A Farewell to Kings" or something. Maybe "...And Then There Were Three."
>From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com> > >The point I was trying to make (in a round-about way) is that, IN MY >OPINION, Images & Words will one day be looked back on as (and to >some extent is already considered to be) THE defining album of the >prog-metal genre. And, again IN MY OPINION, I&W is just about as >damn near perfect as an album can get. Still, I'm NOT saying that >it couldn't possibly be any better. I think it would be even better >if they eliminated the fade-outs on Take the Time and Learning to >Live, and if they could have fit A Change of Seasons on the disc >without leaving anything off. But I easily place it among my top 5 >albums of all time.
It's a great album, far and away their best. I'd probably slot it in my top 25 or 30 records (I'm a pathological Rush fan, but once you get beyond that, it's an awesome piece of work). I don't know that I'd call it the definitive Prog Metal album, period -- but I think they're defining the state of the art at this point, because, along with the quality of their music, their influence is pervasive. Queensryche was in that position after "Mindcrime," but they really extracted a great deal of aggression from their music after that record (I think "Empire" is a great album, I just don't think of it as being particularly "metallic"). Fates Warning's been around longer, but it's pretty safe, at this point, to say that Dream Theater's a higher profile band. For what it's worth, I think a great deal of what Magna Carta's brought us is modeled on that record and "Awake." For that style of music in that period of time, though, the argument you offer is at least a possibility. Defining the genre in total, though, I think might be a little more problematic an assertion.
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Enchant: Wounded 2. Frank Zappa: Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch 3. Shawn Colvin: A Few Small Repairs 4. Rush: Hold Your Fire 5. Jaco Pastorius: The Birthday Concert
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:16 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Iced Earth (NDTC) Message-ID: <199801290051.QAA22133@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Kevin Madden said: > >While I agree that Iced Earth is "kick-ass," I would be hesitant to >describe them as "prog metal." I think Power Metal would be a much >more accurate description. If you buy this cd expecting to hear DT >or Angra or any other prog metallic material, you will be disappointed. >Emphasis on the metal. Good stuff, but not proggish.
Some would argue that Angra is not really prog, but power-metal with progressive tendencies... but then, we are being nit-picky with labels, aren't we? Spock's Beard is the new way of alternative RAHH!
:)
-The Doc
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