YTSEJAM Digest 3515
Today's Topics:
1) Re: stuff/TDoE
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3514
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
3) Michael Kiske
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
4) Re: degarmo for bettencourt?
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
5) Re: Jap FII for sale
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
6) re: Is it real or is it Memorex?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
7) 7 String
by someone@prognosis.com
8) Da Vincini (This ain't the original)
by someone@prognosis.com
9) Dead Poet's Society
by chet@iolinc.net (Cathy Tobrey)
10) talkin 'bout ryche
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
11) Working Man AGAIN!
by seasend@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Glowacki)
12) Re: Dead Poet's Society
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
13) Re: QR
by Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen)
14) Re: Maiden
by Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen)
15) Re: weed and the 7string
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
16) Re: blah
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
17) Re: Dead Poet's Society
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:00:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: stuff/TDoE
Message-ID: <199801291500.KAA01433@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> Here's something you probably already know:
> I listened to The Dance of Eternity yesterday (not for sale) for the
> first
> time in a while. This cd is essential for any DT fan. First off, it has
> EVERY song from I&W on it PLUS To Live Forever and Eve!
you dick! Just go ahead and just rub it in that you have this
friggin' thing, that it's the best thing out there, and that it's
not for sale. I should flatten you like a fuckin' PANCAKE, boyyeee!
Not only was this my first DT show ever, not only do I still have
the playbill from this, not only have I been looking for this
god forsaken boot for years now, but I have to hear THIS shit?!?!
May you children have the sense of humor of Bafu, but not be able
to speak and have the ability to play guitar like Ptacek but have
no fingers, you swine.....................
BTW, if anyone is willing to part with this, or make a CD-R of this,
let me know, for I will definitely sell this guy's next of kin
for it...............
I love you all,
Al
and now for today's ski report: Trees 2, Skiiers 0
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3514 Message-ID: <01ISY2BO8PBS000KD1@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Ok, I'm dying here. Will someone please tell me the site where all the FII demos are that everyone keeps downloading???
Private e-mail, please.
josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:31:15 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michael Kiske Message-ID: <19980129153115.24128.qmail@hotmail.com>
>> I heard that Michael Kiske will substitute Blaze Bailey (sp?). Is >>there >>any truth to this???
>Who's that (the first one), and why? It'll probably be better, >whoever it >is, but anyway..
He´s Helloween´s ex-singer.He was wayyy better than the one they have now.
-Vilzu-
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:53:30 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: degarmo for bettencourt? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980129105330.00a0c140@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
I don't agree that Queensryche won't survive without DeGarmo. Granted he was an integral part of the band, but if he's the one responsible for that hunk of shit known as HitNF, I'm glad he left. Michael Wilton is a more than capable song writer, and hopefully he and Tate will start writing along the lines of O:M again. Wilton was responsible for many of the songs on that album, so I know he's a capable and talented song writer. I'd like to see Chris stay, but only if they started writing with some balls again.
KAI
At 04:18 PM 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote: > >i read the news about degarmo reading with a heavy heart. he really was the >musical and lyrical force behind that band. not to say that the other 4 guys >can't hold their own, but chris degarmo really WAS queensryche, in my opinion, >anyway. i can't possibly imagine what they will sound like, regardless of who >fills in for him.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:58:29 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jap FII for sale Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980129105829.00b0ec20@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Fuck, I hate when I do that. Sorry bout the personal post to the jam, and this need for duplicate waste of bandwidth.
KAI
At 07:04 AM 1/29/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I'll give you $30 for the Jap FII, no questions asked. I had it on order >for $30 elsewhere, and it fell through, so I can reallocate the funds to >you, if its still available. > >Let me know ASAP. >KAI > >At 10:12 AM 1/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>I had brought back ten copies of the Jap FII back with me from a recent >>trip as a public service. Bandmembers, note increased sales from one of >>your most favorite jammers - that cup of coffee this morning is on ME !! >> >> >>I have one copy of the Jap FII left for distribution. (Unopened, with >>the bonus CD). This is now a collector's item. I will now be a prick >>and conduct an auction with the bids starting at $80. >> >>Shit, just kidding. I will sell it for US$25, US postpaid. Cash or MO >>only. I am not gouging you. When I bought it, the dollar was not as >>strong as it currently is. This price should be cheaper than anywhere >>else. And, damn, that little 3 inch CD is soooo cute !! Hear how TAMP >>is *supposed* to sound. And, hear Speak to Me. >> >>Let me know how fun it is to be in ACK mode ........ >> >>Later, >>Mark Metzger >>mmetzger@comversens.com >> >> > >
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:39:28 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Is it real or is it Memorex? Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980129113928.2e9f5368@mail.ici.net>
>Anyone who would pay more than $20-40 for a subconscious now, when >there are people who would happily make you a cdr dub (which, in case >there's anyone who doesn't understand this is EXACTLY the same as the >original) for around cost ($5-10 TOPS) deserves to be ripped off.
That, of course, assumes that everyone who is looking for DT rarities is solely interested in the music. I'm willing to bet there is a large number of people out there who want the stuff just to "have" it. I have Subconscious, it's in a plastic liner, I've listened to it maybe twice. Having a CD-R of it would be pointless, since I don't have it to *listen* to.
And, just for further point, I bought my copy from someone who auctioned it off - and yes, I paid way too much for it. And no, it doesn't bother me at all.
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>since this is not an official release, why should anyone have any >problem with making their own digital copies. OR, buying / trading a >CD-R copy for a few bucks. There's no special merit in a silver CD >for me, or a liner not made by the band. It's a boot for god's sake. ^^^ ^^
That may be true for you (and Mr. Ptacek), but I don't think it's true for everyone. If you just want the music, then fine - make a MD or CD-R or DVD copy or whatever. Live it up. But don't disparage other people who are willing to pay more to get the whole package.
(And I appreciate all the blank lines at the end of your post. Great waste of space. Reminds me of the blank pages they throw at the end of books, presumably so you can re-write the ending if you don't like it.)
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:42:21 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 7 String Message-ID: <199801291634.IAA19552@odin.ax.com>
> another point i feel that a 6 string guitar is essential to learn on, > however the 7-string is by far more versitile.....
As owner of both, I gotta tell ya, neither of these statements really holds true. The 7 string just increases your range, and it's not a completely dramatic change. And I can't see any reason why anyone would be better off starting on one guitar rather than the other, except that muting strings is easier on a 6 string.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:52:00 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Da Vincini (This ain't the original) Message-ID: <199801291644.IAA19638@odin.ax.com>
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
> You ever heard of something called a collectors item?
Sure do, but as much as you may like the guy, why would you want to collect Mike Bahr memorabilia? The music is what is important.
> Why actually pay the money for a real Da Vinci? There are prints that look > EXACTLY the same.
Well, visual and music art are different, ya see... you're NOT GETTING the original copy of the music, no matter how much you beg. You're destined to only get a copy, whether it's cd, tape, minidisc, mp3 or what. The only thing you don't get is the art from the bootleg. I just thought that was worth mentioning. Some people consider cd liners to be WORTH the extra $90... I tend to point and snicker at those people.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:56:22 -0500 From: chet@iolinc.net (Cathy Tobrey) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dead Poet's Society Message-ID: <19980129165342572.AAB112@tobrey.wvnet.edu>
why the hell did DT use so many excerpts from this movies "Dead Poet's Society" is it a good movie?
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:07:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: talkin 'bout ryche Message-ID: <199801291700.MAA24763@bertelsmanncis.com>
Steve Z wrote: > Amen, brother. I don't know whether or not Chris triggered the > demise of the greatness of the Ryche, but I know he was the driving > force behind their greatest work, Promised Land, so I must say that > I was still a bit saddened by his departure.
from jim: > Somehow I highly doubt that Promised Land is their greatest work. > I would have to say it's a toss-up between Mindcrime/The Warning. > The playing style was a little heavier and Tate was still singing > instead of screaming. I do, however, agree that Chris was a major > driving force within the band not to mention one helluva talented > musician.
the beauty of queensryche is that, like DT, they offer so many different things with each album. i have gleaned a great deal of musical ispiration from everything they have done, most specifically O:M and PL, but including everything. Picking a greatest ryche work is like trying to do so with DT--each album offers something valuable and different.
that said, HitNF, while still offering something, still somewhat valuable, had too many potholes; it was too disparate an album. the key differences between Awake (KM's last) and HitNF (CdG's last) is that DeGarmo was the primary songwriter on HitNF. Kevin, yes, was dissatisfied with DT's direction, but because his parts were largely supplemented to songs already written (with the obvious exception being SDV), they were powerful emotional additions to the music, giving Awake the unique somber, moody feel that is nowhere else found in DTs music. DeGarmo, though, went about writing what he was inteerested in, frustrating both his bandmates and fans.
in the end, the divorce seems the right thing. EJ, SR, MW, and GT are all powerful enough and talented enough musically to move on and accomplish a great deal of significant music. certainly, i think, they have it within themselves to write something more tight and effective than HitNF. i will miss the chemistry, the tight intertwining dual guitar sound that helper make ryche (particularly the early stuff) so unique. nuno? well, he's talented, though i would have to immediately question the chemistry. it is only stll rumor, so there's no reason to stress just yet.
i'm excited to hear what's next for QR.
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:15:46 -0600 (CST) From: seasend@ix.netcom.com (Stephen Glowacki) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man AGAIN! Message-ID: <199801291715.LAA07597@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
This is a REAl old issue, but in cleaning off some old files, I came across a Geddy Lee interview. Below is a piece of that interview which applies Working Man - Rush Tribute. I don't want to start a major thread here, I just thought it was pretty interesting.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Rush or Not to Rush? Geddy Lee presents the case for Canada's most famous power trio. By Michael Roberts (© Westword Magazine, May 15-21, 1997)
~~~snipped~~~
WW: Harvard fits in with the picture a lot of people have of Rush fans. There's an idea that many of your fans are very intellectual and very schooled in topics like science and mathematics. Is that a complete misconception, or are there a lot of Rush fans who would fit that description?
GL: I think there's a number of them that do fit that description, but there are so many different kinds of Rush fans. Night after night there's a drastic range of people out there. Sometimes there are kids who are really young; it seems clear that this is their first concert. And other times there are people who look as old as me--and I go, "Wow, that's weird," because when you're an artist, you always have a tendency to think of your audience as being young. But some of them have grown up with our music and are our age, and they are very dedicated to the band and very supportive.
WW: Are there times when this obsessiveness becomes a little disturbing?
GL: It can get out of proportion, absolutely. Sometimes something you do or say gets blown out of proportion and analyzed to death, and there's no resemblance to the original statement.
WW: Can you think of an example of that?
GL: Yeah, actually, I can. There was a group of musicians who did a tribute album for us--I think it was last year. And when we were approached about it--well after the record was under way--we wanted to know who was doing it, who was involved and what the record label was that was putting it out. And it came to us that the label was in the quote-unquote business of doing tribute records. That felt a little fishy to me. It felt like some guy was getting some musicians together, regurgitating some material and exploiting our fans' support.
WW: Perhaps more of a business decision than a group of people who legitimately wanted to pay tribute to you?
GL: That was our fear, so we inquired about that. Well, that inquiry got blown so out of proportion. Fans were on the Net talking about why we were so insulted that these musicians were trying to do our songs. To them, it was great that someone was recognizing our band. So it got taken really in a weird way, and there was all this talk that we were going to sue them and have an injunction to try and stop the record, which of course was not true at all.
WW: How did you put a stop to the rumors?
GL: Just by doing interviews saying, "Hello? No. Nobody's suing anybody here. Yes, we're complimented that someone's doing a record, but we just wanted to make sure that you guys weren't being exploited." That's all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Steve... seasend@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:21:40 -0600 (CST) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dead Poet's Society Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980129111944.20289A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Cathy Tobrey wrote: > why the hell did DT use so many excerpts from this movies "Dead Poet's > Society" > is it a good movie?
what, you mean one? maybe two (i'm not convinced that the whispered "carpe diem" is a sample)... but yeah, it's a pretty good movie. i'm sure matt bahr would agree. ;)
-id
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:36:29 GMT From: Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: QR Message-ID: <199801291736.RAA09214@tiga.worldaccess.nl>
Who is this Trevor Rabin guy???
Greeting, Ewald
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:51:05 GMT From: Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Maiden Message-ID: <199801291751.RAA11838@tiga.worldaccess.nl>
New Iron Maiden album wil be out March 23. Album title is still unknown. Blaze will do the vocals and Steve is founding his own record company.
Greetings, Ewald.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:18:42 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: weed and the 7string Message-ID: <199801291818.NAA02187@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> if in facy it is true that he does smoke this illegal plant known by many > as marijhuana > (and being the influential teen that i am) i am prepared to smoke bowl > after bowl of this drug > to be like james
You've got problems that we can't help you with.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:25:05 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: blah Message-ID: <199801291825.NAA02207@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Here's my contribution to your thread. > > I COULDNT CARE LESS THAT YOU COULDNT CARE LESS!
And mine:
I COULDN'T CARE LESS THAT... oh, never mind.
> You know you're a stupid jammer if (YKYASJI): > > - You think anyone NOT on AOL cares about anyone who IS on AOL.
Thanks, Jon. Best laugh I've had all day. :)
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:29:46 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dead Poet's Society Message-ID: <199801291829.NAA02230@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> why the hell did DT use so many excerpts from this movies "Dead Poet's > Society" > is it a good movie?
I hope no one gets overly neurotic about this, but it *is* my last chance...
GO READ THE FAQ! SHEESH! http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
I'm gonna miss that.
:)
P.S. Tomorrow is the deadline for submitting your "I want to maintain the FAQ" essays.
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