YTSEJAM Digest 3516
Today's Topics:
1) Trevor Rabin
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) how interesting
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Re: Dead Poet's Society
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
4) Re: weed and the 7string
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
5) Re: Dead Poet's Society
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
6) Big Carrot
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
7) Just some insignificant guy who loves DT.
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
8) Roads to Madness?
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
9) Michael Romeo´s solo album.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
10) Maiden's Virtual XI Setlist
by Fernando Yokota <yokota@intervale.com.br>
11) Re: Dead Poet's Society
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
12) How come some things...
by SchnippX@aol.com
13) Trevor Rabin
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) FAQ?
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
15) To MIke Bahr, Garafe Days Rerevisited
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
16) Re: How come some things...
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:35:08 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Trevor Rabin
Message-ID: <199801291835.NAA02247@ia.cs.wm.edu>
> Who is this Trevor Rabin guy???
Depending on who you ask, he's either the guitar player that saved Yes or
destroyed them in the early 80s. Thank Ged the rest of the band has finally
come to its senses and gotten Steve Howe back. (Clearly, I'm in that second
category. :)
You Yes fans that don't have Open Your Eyes yet, go get it. This here's the
good shit.
You Yes fans that have OYE and KTA I and/or II, are they worth it?
-d
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:39:50 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how interesting
Message-ID: <199801291839.NAA02287@ia.cs.wm.edu>
All this talk about QR, and today is Eddie Jackson's birthday. Weird... very
weird.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:07:36 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Dead Poet's Society
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980129170122.6646A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Cathy Tobrey wrote:
> why the hell did DT use so many excerpts from this movies "Dead Poet's
> Society" is it a good movie?
Well, I think that it is a fine movie. Not the best one that I
have ever seen, but a fine movie, worth hearing the last movement of
Beethoven's 9th symphony (the famous Schiller's coral).
The message the movie gives is also nice. Go see it. You'll also
be pleased to know exactly which excerpts Dream Theater used in their
song.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 13:14:21 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: weed and the 7string Message-ID: <34d0d50c5e4c008@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <19980129083321003.AAA181@tobrey.wvnet.edu> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> good use of the 7 string is made in ACOS,LIE and a few other songs plus > Steve Vai kicks down doors with it too. > but unless you want super heavy songs a 6 string is getter gor most because > of the pickups and neck tension and all that sh*t
You know, whenever I hear Korn fans talking, they always mention how great the guitarist is because he uses a seven-string to get an extra low sound. I've heard quite a bit of Korn, and I gotta say, sure, it gives him an extra note, but what's the point when all he does is make a bunch of loud, garbled noise? He could do that just as well on a kazoo run through a pitch shifter and fuzz box. I don't get it....
-Brian
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:22:13 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dead Poet's Society Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980129170833.6646B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, alex fraser wrote:
> what, you mean one? maybe two (i'm not convinced that the whispered > "carpe diem" is a sample)... but yeah, it's a pretty good movie. i'm
Yes, the whispered "Carpe Diem" is definitely from the movie, when the "Captain, My Capitain" Robin Williams was showing his students the people who studied in the school. He whispers to them the "carpe diem". I won't tell you more because it will spoil your fun if you haven't see it yet.
BTW, if you like movies go to the PARADISE: <www.imdb.com>. That's the Internet Movie Database site, a great place to read things about your favorite movies (and also those which you plan on watching).
> sure matt bahr would agree. ;)
Being at the University far from my discs suck, but I think that there are more than 2 samples from the movie in the song. Maybe 3 (but I'm not trusting my memory anymore)...
> -id
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:22:44 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Big Carrot Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980129112244.006a69e8@pop.cfmc.com>
>From: a thing with a voice <afn39111@afn.org> > >> >Civilian >> >Wind and Wuthering >> >Works vol. 2 >> >90125 >> >Signals >> >Falling Into Infinity? >> >> An interesting thesis. But equating "Wind and Wuthering" with "Signals?" >> I think "Wind and Wuthering" is more like "A Farewell to Kings" or >> something. Maybe "...And Then There Were Three." > >I considered that, but moved to "Wind and Wuthering" because, though Hackett >was still in the band, they used none of the stuff he wrote. It really was >the beginning of the change. Just not nearly as popular as "...And Then >There Were Three."
I don't know. I just don't HEAR it as a change, which is why I said the "A Farewell To Kings" thing. It's a progression, and a more towards a direction they would eventually assume, but I think there's a reasonably large difference between "Wind and Wuthering" and "...And Then There Were Three." I do see the point you're making, though.
>Similarly, I wasn't sure where I'd put the ELP changeover. It was beginning >with the Works albums, but "Love Beach" is a whole lot more obvious.
I'll go with you there. I think your "Works" hypothesis is a good one. That's where I'd go with it.
>As far as Rush goes, I didn't find any particular change in direction with >"A Farewell to Kings," which I still find in the same vein as "2112." >"Signals," however, was a complete turnaround, even more than with >"Permanent Waves."
See above. Yeah, I'm on record here as thinking that "Signals" is the biggest transition the band has made. But I also think "Counterparts" is a bigger break from "Roll The Bones" than "Presto" is from "Hold Your Fire." So perhaps "Wind and Wuthering" is better compared to "Permanent Waves." Hell if I know at this point...
>We will have yet to see if "Hear in the Now Frontier" will belong in the >list. It could be the last album QR does, instead.
I LIKED the album, which does separate me out a bit here (Adam playing his own press agent: I think my review of the album in _Bass Frontiers_ reflects that), but it IS a little constrained a sound for a band that's historically been pretty expansive.
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Moving Pictures 2. Queensryche: Operation: Mindcrime 3. Tori Amos: Boys for Pele 4. Weather Report: Night Passage 5. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:22:32 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just some insignificant guy who loves DT. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980129112232.00842a20@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>> You ever heard of something called a collectors item? > > Sure do, but as much as you may like the guy, why would you want to >collect Mike Bahr memorabilia? The music is what is important.
My feelings exactly, so how am I, some normal schmoe who loves DT, gonna get the cool recordings that mike has? I dont have a DAT, so I cant get digital copies in trade. I dont HAVE anything to trade even if I did. I could send him cassettes and ask him to record stuff, but he doesnt have the time and I hate cassette quality. Nor do I have the time or energy to hunt down the same recordings from other people. Mike is the easiest source I have, plain and simple.
So where does that leave me? NOWHERE. So my only choice is to pay my $20 ($25 in the heyday) and get a well produced CD full of the music that I want.
Plus, I can say I have something that in some cases, only 499 other people have. And to me, thats cool, worth the $25.
> Well, visual and music art are different, ya see... you're NOT >GETTING the original copy of the music, no matter how much you beg. >You're destined to only get a copy, whether it's cd, tape, minidisc, >mp3 or what.
Boy, what a profound statement. Of course its a copy. Everything you ever listen to from a radio or stereo is a copy. Its the only way to escape hiring the band to play in your back yard is to play the CD. So why do people go out of their way looking for a Lie single when they could just get someone to copy it? Why buy a FII when you could just get a CD-R from the guy down the block?
Cuz you want the real McCoy. Now youre gonna say that buying a FII supports the band. Just remember that if the band wanted to stop Bahr, they would. Therefore, you dont have a leg to stand on when you say what Mike is doing is wrong, using DT's music for his own profit. If DT doesnt have much of a problem with it, I dont see why you have to bitch and moan about it.
>Some people consider cd liners to be WORTH the extra $90... I tend to point and >snicker at those people.
Im sorry you dont have the passion that would make it worth it to you to go the extra mile, for at least something. Thats all collectors are doing, spending a little effort (and if needed, money) to satiate the passion that drives them. If you look down upon that passion, I can only feel pity for you.
Jon
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:21:30 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Roads to Madness? Message-ID: <95D0B9C9CE8BD111B8DE0060971611D50126B1@BUDLITE>
As a huge Queensryche fan, I feel the need to express my views on where Queensryche will go without Chris DeGarmo.
Can they survive without DeGarmo? Yes, they can. You don't believe me? Who wrote the songs Revolution Calling, Speak, Spreading the Disease, Screaming in Digital, Roads to Madness, Empire, etc.? There are a lot of songs which Wilton has written for the band. The past two albums have been dominated with material by DeGarmo, and frankly, I believe that the newer material he has written isn't the greatest stuff from QR. Michael Wilton has written about 10-15 songs which haven't been used on the past 2 albums, and look for some of those to be on the next album.
And, look for the next album to be _very heavy_. Heavy in the terms that it will very hard rockin'! The new album is about 50% already and _might_ be a concept album.
Lyrically, QR will always be strong. They have Geoff Tate, and I would venture to say that he's one of the best lyricists out there.
And, whoever the replacement for DeGarmo will be, it doesn't matter too much. Queensryche has always been changing their sound, and a new mind in the band will make them that much more diverse. I'm sure they will make the right choice as to who would make the best chemistry for the band.
Ryche on, Bogie
Kai wrote: >I don't agree that Queensryche won't survive without DeGarmo. Granted he >was an integral part of the band, but if he's the one responsible for that >hunk of shit known as HitNF, I'm glad he left. Michael Wilton is a more >than capable song writer, and hopefully he and Tate will start writing >along the lines of O:M again. Wilton was responsible for many of the songs >on that album, so I know he's a capable and talented song writer. I'd like >to see Chris stay, but only if they started writing with some balls again.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:37:54 PST From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Michael Romeo´s solo album. Message-ID: <19980129193754.6077.qmail@hotmail.com>
Does anyone is this album just guitar playing or are there other instruments too?
-Vilzu-
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:35:57 -0200 From: Fernando Yokota <yokota@intervale.com.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Maiden's Virtual XI Setlist Message-ID: <34D0DA1D.72868DC2@intervale.com.br>
Hi there,
I know we're in a DT list but the following is a not confirmed setlist for the new album, Virtual XI.
This checklist was taken in the Iron Maiden Chilean F.C. and according to the F.C. president it's confirmed by Blaze Bayley in an interview during his visit to South America.
Blaze also said to the Brazilian MTV that the new album isn't "dark and down" as the X Factor. Dave Murray confirmed Dave Lights as the new stage producer, so there's gonna be special effects and a giant stage for concerts in big places again.
I don't know if this setlist is real or just an invention by Mr. Bayley but it's what I've got.
1. FUTUREAL (HARRIS/BAYLEY) 3.00 2. THE ANGEL AND THE GAMBLER (HARRIS) 9.51 3. LIGHTNING STRIKES TWICE (MURRAY/HARRIS) 4.49 4. THE CLANSMAN (HARRIS) 9.06 5. WHEN TWO WORLDS COLLIDE (MURRAY/BAYLEY/HARRIS) 6.13 6. THE EDUCATED FOOL (HARRIS) 6.46 7. DON´T LOOK AT THE EYES OF A STRANGER (HARRIS) 8.11 8. COMO ESTAIS AMIGOS (GERS/BAYLEY) 5.26
Fernando Yokota yokota@intervale.com.br
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:51:36 -0600 (CST) From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Dead Poet's Society Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980129134813.2578A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
> > what, you mean one? maybe two (i'm not convinced that the whispered > > "carpe diem" is a sample)... but yeah, it's a pretty good movie. i'm > Yes, the whispered "Carpe Diem" is definitely from the movie, when > the "Captain, My Capitain" Robin Williams was showing his students the > people who studied in the school. He whispers to them the "carpe diem". I
yeah, but *anyone* could whisper "carpe diem" into a mic in the studio and it would be a lot easier than a sample, while sounding pretty much the same...
> Being at the University far from my discs suck, but I think that > there are more than 2 samples from the movie in the song. Maybe 3 (but > I'm not trusting my memory anymore)...
Ah man Roger, you made me go consult the FAQ. how could you? :)
anyway, the only DPS sample noted is the "gather ye rosebuds" poem. the line "gather ye rosebuds while ye may" is *sung* late in the song, but that's not a sample. and the "carpe diem" whisper... well, maybe we should ask derek. if we can pry him away from his womanizing. :)
szia, id
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:57:19 EST From: SchnippX@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: How come some things... Message-ID: <13ed7eb4.34d0df20@aol.com>
HI again, some points and questions:
-why is it that in some digest the question and the answer is on display? Is there a chat place or what.
- again I have to complain about begavior. When Bruce (Forst) wrote his opinion, and he made it real clear that it was his, you can read that or not. You needn't even like it. But as far as THE DOC-whatsoever is concerned: man you really suck. you got the nerves to write such a comment? man I really had to take a breath because it's like a 4-year-old child playing I shot you, you gotta fall down: Go play with your toys and come back when you grown up
- the guitar solo of BACK to the FUTURE is done by Tim May not Eddie
- anyone who knows what Vito Bratta and Jake E. Lee are up to currently?
- MATt you have that UAGM 2/3 tracks? I'd like to have them! Is one of them this jazzy tune I heard at the end of the German shows
That's the bottom line, because SchnippX said so!
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 12:07:22 -0800 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trevor Rabin Message-ID: <199801292006.MAA18959@network-services.uoregon.edu>
> Who is this Trevor Rabin guy???
Trevor Rabin was the guitarist for Yes from 1982 (I believe) until 1994. Though he moved Yes into a _very_ commercial-sounding band for an album or two (Everyone remember "Owner of a Lonely Heart"), he's a very talented all-around musician (Guitarist, Keyboardist, Vocalist), and his last album with them, "Talk", has some greats moments in it. Of course, his positives have to be mentioned in conjunction with the fact that, yes, he did write the music for the movie "The Glimmer Man," a crime which is punishable by death in some states. :) Later
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:05:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FAQ? Message-ID: <199801291957.OAA27112@bertelsmanncis.com>
from mr. merlo: >GO READ THE FAQ! SHEESH! http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
i've been spending the last six and a half weeks in intense study, and after much deliberation, i have a bombshell for you all--
PULL ME UNDER IS ABOUT SHAKESPEARE'S HAMLET!
while we spend the next 30 jams discussing this startling and profound revelation, perhaps one of you could tell me, who is this guy "chris collins"? i can't figure it out for the life of me!
oh, and, what in the world does "FAQ" stand for?
(yes this is entirely a joke, and a big well-done to d-man for his fastidious work. on a side note, i think a detailed explanation of what "FAQ" stood for would be a wonderful inclusion to the FAQ.) (that last thought is one of the many reasons, by the way, why i could write an essay explaining why i would be the worst maintainer of the FAQ.)
--MATt
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:10:13 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: To MIke Bahr, Garafe Days Rerevisited Message-ID: <l03130300b0f691dfb0e5@[128.252.105.105]>
To Mike Bahr, I have a copy of Garage Days Rerevisited that I'd be willing to trade. The CD itself is in mint condition, but I no longer have the Jewel case insert (eother front or back)> A friend stole the CD a long time ago and I was left with an empty Jewll box so after 6 month's of not being able to find it, I threw it away. I'd be happy to place it into a new Jewell Box.
Email me back if interested. As qa bonus, I'll throw in the Nothing Else Matters CD single.
Thanks, Seth
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"If I was twice the man I could be, I'd still be half of what you need!" -Trent Reznor
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: How come some things... Message-ID: <199801292021.PAA20197@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > HI again, some points and questions: > > -why is it that in some digest the question and the answer is on display? > Is there a chat place or what.
nope, it's just up to the patricular poster whether they include what was previously written or not....
> You needn't even like it. But as far as THE DOC-whatsoever is concerned: man > you really suck. you got the nerves to write such a comment? man I really had > to take a breath because it's like a 4-year-old child playing I shot you, you > gotta fall down: > Go play with your toys and come back when you grown up >
oh, boy..........this should be fun.........
> - MATt you have that UAGM 2/3 tracks? I'd like to have them! Is one of them > this jazzy tune I heard at the end of the German shows >
Actually, does anyone have a copy of this anywhere. No one has really mentioned it. I thought it was great and would be a cool thing. Please, no one auction it off for $100.....
> That's the bottom line, because SchnippX said so! > Can you really take someone who quotes WWF quotes seriously?
And what was that thing recently about AOL???
:P
-Al
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