YTSEJAM Digest 3518
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Trevor Rabin
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3516
by Thrak75@aol.com
3) Re: How come some things...
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
4) degarmo for betterncourt- response to kai
by Thrak75@aol.com
5) Grasping at Claus: Stogie Scorches Santa's Sac
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
6) Walking and talking (like a brainstem)
by someone@prognosis.com
7) Rabin/Yes
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
8) DOE
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) Finding TDoE
by Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
10) Lounge UaGM
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Re: How come some things...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Re: DOE
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:21:59 -0800
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Trevor Rabin
Message-ID: <01BD2CB8.E1BFF420.dthomas@best.com>
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:35:08 -0500
>From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>> Who is this Trevor Rabin guy???
>Depending on who you ask, he's either the guitar player that saved Yes or
>destroyed them in the early 80s. Thank Ged the rest of the band has
finally
>come to its senses and gotten Steve Howe back. (Clearly, I'm in that
second
>category. :)
I fall in between. I like both eras. I think that Steve Howe is the
superior guitar player. I also thought the best Yes show I ever saw was
during the 90125 tour.
>You Yes fans that don't have Open Your Eyes yet, go get it. This here's
the
>good shit.
Really? I just bought it a week or so ago, and am not too impressed with it
so far. I'm giving it a chance to grow on me, but so far I think some of
the songwriting is sort of weak. And what's the deal with the final track?
20+ minutes of birds chirping, wind chimes, and occasional vocal snippets
from the rest of the album. I thought it was some sort of joke at first,
but then it kept going, and going, and going... We finally skipped through
the CD to find out how long it was going to go on.
>You Yes fans that have OYE and KTA I and/or II, are they worth it?
II is probably the better buy than I, according to popular consensus. Like
me, you'll probably end up with both of them anyway.
Dave Thomas - Pixel Planet
Reviews of music, CG software, books, games, comics, movies, programming
tools and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:16:24 EST
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3516
Message-ID: <52c547ce.34d0f1aa@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/29/98 20:44:21, you wrote:
>> good use of the 7 string is made in ACOS,LIE and a few other songs plus
>> Steve Vai kicks down doors with it too.
>> but unless you want super heavy songs a 6 string is getter gor most because
>> of the pickups and neck tension and all that sh*t
>
>You know, whenever I hear Korn fans talking, they always mention how great
the
>
>guitarist is because he uses a seven-string to get an extra low sound. I've
>heard quite a bit of Korn, and I gotta say, sure, it gives him an extra note,
>but what's the point when all he does is make a bunch of loud, garbled noise?
He
>could do that just as well on a kazoo run through a pitch shifter and fuzz
box.
>
>I don't get it....
on that note, a similar argument would dictate that a band like thought
industry would be an incredible band because they too are savvy in the ways of
the universe guitar.
oh shit- but they are an awesome bad. but not for that. oh well.
maybe the next ryche guitarist will be......trevor rabin?
ytsegoon (koba, wild.)
************************************************************************
david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"i'm the monster you created in your daddy's name." -j. petrucci
************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 15:29:58 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: How come some things...
Message-ID: <34d0f4d43377002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <13ed7eb4.34d0df20@aol.com>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> HI again, some points and questions:
>
> -why is it that in some digest the question and the answer is on display?
> Is there a chat place or what.
Boy, I'm tempted to quote the whole message just for humor value, but I'll
restrain myself. The entire message, but especially the grammar-impaired rip at
Dr. Mosh, is perfectly timed considering the Doc's cracks at AOL'rs the other
day. Under a Glass Moon 3 is the best song ever, man! Also, you gotta hear the
Temptations cover that's on Mike Bahr's new boot, "A Kick into Motown."
-Brian
********************************************************************************
"If, in reading the following pages, you are uncertain as to whether a specific
statement is meant seriously or not, simply apply this rule of thumb: If the
statement makes you consider filing a lawsuit, I was kidding. Ha ha!"
- Dave Barry
********************************************************************************
Coleridge on IRC
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:47 EST
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: degarmo for betterncourt- response to kai
Message-ID: <64613a36.34d0f7da@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/29/98 21:24:44, master KAI wrote:
>I don't agree that Queensryche won't survive without DeGarmo. Granted he
>was an integral part of the band, but if he's the one responsible for that
>hunk of shit known as HitNF, I'm glad he left. Michael Wilton is a more
>than capable song writer, and hopefully he and Tate will start writing
>along the lines of O:M again. Wilton was responsible for many of the songs
>on that album, so I know he's a capable and talented song writer. I'd like
>to see Chris stay, but only if they started writing with some balls again.
hey....i never said that the ryche won't survive. and you are absolutely right
that wilton and tate, and even jackson and rockenfield can ALL hold their own.
i'm only saying that it's going to be tough to imagine what they will be like
without degarmo, who i really DO think was queensryche. roger waters WAS pink
floyd- his imprint on that band is indelible. but when he left, they didn't
flounder. gilmour showed the world that he too can write great tunes. maybe
this can happen with the ryche. however- as there are plenty of people who
hate "momentary lapse of reason" and "division bell" because it's not the
floyd we've all grown to love (an admittedly questionable argument, but one
that still has some force), queensryche's going to be treading on some tough
waters.
another thing i'm going to greatly miss is the twin guitar attack that degarmo
and wilton did. they really did some fascinating things together- their rhythm
playing especially fit together so well- different chords, different sonic
textures: it's like painting a picture. a lot of that comes from good
chemistry between them and the rest of the band. with that gone, the chemistry
(and sound) of that band will change significantly. unless they pull off
something amazing, i won't like it.
lastly, i'm still surprised that people still refer to hitnf as a "hunk of
shit." mind you, you're entitled to your opinion, but i don't understand
what's so wrong about a great rock and roll album. it was a welcome and
surprise change to just throw together 14 well-written and not too complex
songs. to suggest that degarmo wasn't writing with "some balls" is ludicrous.
if it lacks balls because it lacks a lot of the progressive
elements/conceptuality of stuff like "mindcrime", then you're 100% correct and
i won't argue with you there. if you take "no balls" to imply something
michael bolton or the spice girls would put together- then one of us needs to
get his ears checked out. if i'm the only one that thinks hintf has balls to
it, then it might be me.
ytsegoon (koba, wild.)
************************************************************************
david y. kobayashi
the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." -on the wall at
tripwire's
************************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:41:57 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Grasping at Claus: Stogie Scorches Santa's Sac
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980129214157.006c494c@pop.pipeline.com>
Steve Z. wrote in response to me:
>> some guy was trying to rip off the list by offering an
>> :original: version of subconscious for $100. I will sell
>> anyone mine for half that, including shipping.
>
>No way, Kevin! I'll give you my girlfriend for it! :)
I assume you aren't talking about the chick at the DT concert.
While I find you offer quite alluring, and even generous, I think
my wife needs a little more time before she feels comfortable
with the whole menage a trois thing, you know? Thanks anyway...
Jon, no not that Jon, wrote about Subcon's outrageous pricing:
>You ever heard of something called a collectors item?
>Why actually pay the money for a real Da Vinci? There are prints that look
>EXACTLY the same.
It is a collector's item, I guess, but at the risk of topedoing my
own profit-making venture (resale of Mike Bahr dicks..oops...discs
at a higher profit), I must say that the sound quality blows Ptacek's
suckbird right of the corpse. But, make me an offer; I probably can't
refuse.
Alex, congratulating me on my musical taste, wrote:
>Thank you brother.
>Also, if any of you have In Your Multitude...I've been searching for it,
>and in the U.S. no Conception is sold. So, if you have a copy you're
>willing to trade, sell or dub, PLEASE get in touch with me.
>Thanks.
Funny. *I* live in the United States, and *I* have all the Conception
cds. All you have to do is call up one of the cd sellers from the web,
or even from Noise International (1-800-Noise-22) and order them. The
price should be around $12-14 U.S. Defintely worth that price, and I
would have paid more, to be honest.
CD of the Day: Non-Fiction - It's a Wonderful Lie
CD #2 of the Day: Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstasy
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
W L T 1/31 at Pittsburgh Penguins (FOX)
29 13 11 2/1 at Washington Capitals (I have tix!!)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:59:30 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Walking and talking (like a brainstem)
Message-ID: <199801292151.NAA22599@odin.ax.com>
> From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
> Subject: Re: degarmo for bettencourt?
Again, this was a joke/rumor. Nuno is not in QR.
> From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
> That, of course, assumes that everyone who is looking for DT rarities is
> solely interested in the music.
I do assume that people mostly care about the music. True, that
isn't the case for everyone. But I'd bet it's most people. Not all
of us will throw out a cd if we lose the case, and what not... the
music is what I expect to pay for when I buy music.
And I'm not downing anyone who does collect, either... I collect
stuff too (mostly dust and scar tissue) I just wanted to point out
publicly, that there are people who can help you out if you're
looking for digital copies of boots. The jammers I've met who own
CDR equipment tend to be extremely generous with dubbing.
> But don't disparage other people who are willing to pay more
What's wrong with chiming in to let people know that they can save a
few bucks? These messages haven't been about "You're an idiot for
paying X for that cd..." Get with the picture.
> (And I appreciate all the blank lines at the end of your post. Great waste
> of space.
Wah.
> Who is this Trevor Rabin guy???
Dunno where this came from (I can't wait to find out who the real
replacement for DeGarmo will be)...
You've all heard from the Yes fans now... I wanted to bring up
Rabin's solo stuff. He has a "now out of print" instrumental cd that
is on the level with Satriani and the other greats. I tend to like
very little of his material that I've heard, but that album kicked
all kinds of ass. He can shred, he can sing, and he can probably
write (outside of Yes).
> You know, whenever I hear Korn fans talking, they always mention how
> great the guitarist is because he uses a seven-string
You're pretty much right on. We've all known some rich kid who got
the better bike, or car, or guitar or whatever, but really doesn't
need it. KoRn use a low tuning, and because of this a 7 string is
ideal, but just because they have 7 strings, doesn't put them on the
level with Vai or Petrucci or Haji's Kitchen.
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
> My feelings exactly, so how am I, some normal schmoe who loves DT,
> gonna get the cool recordings that mike has? I dont have a DAT, so
> I cant get digital copies in trade. I dont HAVE anything to trade
> even if I did.
This is a retarded sentiment. Are all the DT fans you know complete
assholes (or just me)? People trade for blanks. People trade for
cost of production and shipping. People trade for commercial cds...
You haven't TRIED to get any of the stuff that Bahr's gotten if you
think that it's impossible to trade with people when you have little
to offer. How do you think people start a collection? From NOTHING.
> Mike is the easiest source I have, plain and simple.
This isn't even a Mike Bahr debate. I comprehend the going rate for
bootlegs. I'm talking about the people who would pay $75, $100, etc
for a resale (re: USED) cd bootleg that really isn't even that
special.
> Plus, I can say I have something that in some cases, only 499 other
> people have. And to me, thats cool, worth the $25.
Did you miss the part about $90 for inserts? You're talking about
something entirely different than what i was saying.
> Boy, what a profound statement. Of course its a copy. Everything
> you ever listen to from a radio or stereo is a copy. Its the only
> way to escape hiring the band to play in your back yard is to play
> the CD. So why do people go out of their way looking for a Lie
> single when they could just get someone to copy it? Why buy a FII
> when you could just get a CD-R from the guy down the block?
See, now you're kind of being a dick. You brought up the thing
about copies of paintings. That was what I was responding to. I
simply responding to show you why that point made no sense in this
issue. If you want to cut me down because YOUR point made no sense,
then go ahead, but that would make you quite the imbecile.
Your point about the Lie single and FII have no bearing on this.
They're different things altogether. The band has nothing to do with
either bootleg profits or used cd profits, and my post had nothing to
do with profits at all... it was just an option for people to
consider, rather than overpaying for a used cd.
> Cuz you want the real McCoy. Now youre gonna say that buying a FII
> supports the band. Just remember that if the band wanted to stop
> Bahr, they would.
What in the flying fuck are you talking about? I put the Bahr
thing down because Mike did. This has nothing to do with Bahr, other
than the fact that the overpriced resale/auction thing is for a cd
that he made. Develop a clue.
> Im sorry you dont have the passion that would make it worth it to
> you to go the extra mile, for at least something.
No... I have no passion. I don't try at anything. I don't spend
time writing music, listening to music, etc. In fact, my 400+ cd
collection is actually an imaginary concept.
What I HAVE been considering doing, is joining into the passionate
forum of $90 cd insert collecting. I feel that my life is pitiful
and joyless, and frankly, I'm tired of being looked down upon by
people who have learned that the true value of the cd, is its
packaging material.
But I'm glad you have some blind concept of whatever the
hell you're talking about, because it makes it more interesting to
get in an argument with someone who lives on a different planet.
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:06:15 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rabin/Yes
Message-ID: <v01540b02b0f69b58a421@[205.134.228.10]>
D-Man wrote;
>Depending on who you ask, he's either the guitar player that saved Yes or
>destroyed them in the early 80s. Thank Ged the rest of the band has finally
>come to its senses and gotten Steve Howe back. (Clearly, I'm in that second
>category. :)
Rabin is a talented musician and guitarist but he's just not suitable for
Yes music at the time.
>You Yes fans that don't have Open Your Eyes yet, go get it. This here's the
>good shit.
>You Yes fans that have OYE and KTA I and/or II, are they worth it?
Hmmm...I AM a Yes fan and I have to tell you to get "KTA 2" if you don't
have it. It's definitely worth it, especially "Mind Drive", the new track
on the second disc (the 2nd disc has 5 new tracks).
KTA 1 has only 2 new tracks, "Be The One" and "That, That IS". And they
play the entire song of "Revealing science of God" (20:32 mins) on the
first disc.
If you DO like the combination of new young Yes (Billy Sherwood) and old
Yes (the rest of the band) you will like Open Your Eyes. It has some
beautiful tracks and it's difinitely different from TALK. It also has a
hidden track after the track #11, VERY beautiful , and it reminds me a lot
of "Close to the edge" from all those creature sounds. I said Billy is the
only the Young Yes member because Yes have not accepted Igor Khoroshev as
an official member yet, he's only with them for the tour lineup and he
joined Yes after things have almost done.
For those who like the surround sound, Open Your Eyes (surround sound
edition) will be out in Jan for the U.S. copy. I could not wait, so I
bought mine at the first time it came out. It maybe in store now, I'm not
sure.
If you want to see the songlist from these 3 cd's, please let me know. I
will sent it to the private e-mail. It's kinda long.
Have fun,
AE
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:25:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DOE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980129172400.26798C-100000@bdmserver>
Al wrote:
> you dick! Just go ahead and just rub it in that you have this
> friggin' thing, that it's the best thing out there, and that it's
> not for sale. I should flatten you like a fuckin' PANCAKE, boyyeee!
>
> Not only was this my first DT show ever, not only do I still have
> the playbill from this, not only have I been looking for this
> god forsaken boot for years now, but I have to hear THIS shit?!?!
> May you children have the sense of humor of Bafu, but not be able
> to speak and have the ability to play guitar like Ptacek but have
> no fingers, you swine.....................
I have this boot. It is one of my first DT boots....
IT IS SCHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|===================================================================|
| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:48:52 -0500
From: Matthew Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Finding TDoE
Message-ID: <34D10752.3D3F8E3C@disknet.com>
> > I listened to The Dance of Eternity yesterday (not for sale)
>
> you dick! Just go ahead and just rub it in that you have this
> friggin' thing, that it's the best thing out there, and that it's
> not for sale. I should flatten you like a fuckin' PANCAKE, boyyeee!
>
> BTW, if anyone is willing to part with this, or make a CD-R of
> this,
> let me know, for I will definitely sell this guy's next of kin
> for it...............
You might check with Ryan Whitaker at Scarred Records. He included TDoE on his
MP3 compilation "Spinning Years" (which includes 5 other 2CD DT boots and is
GREAT). I think he might even offer CD-R's of it in a 'special' trade or
something....but check with him on that. Good luck,
~Matt
N.P. DT: "Spinning Years" MP3-boot-compilation
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:49:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lounge UaGM
Message-ID: <199801292249.RAA24442@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
>
> stone cold SchnippX brought up, and then Al asked, if i had the UaGM
> tracks. (at least i think it was me it was me they were referring to.)
> just to set things straight, i have nothing of the sort, i don't think i
> mentioned i did, but if so, sorry, i surely didn't mean to.
>
I was just merely asking if anyone has
the Lounge version of UaGM..........
-Al
-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:51:26 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: How come some things... Message-ID: <199801292251.OAA01092@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, SchnippX@aol.com said: > >-why is it that in some digest the question and the answer is on display? > Is there a chat place or what.
Oh yeah? didn't you know that? The ytsejam is actually a live chat, the digest is just a collection of stuff propagated.
> >- again I have to complain about begavior. When Bruce (Forst) wrote his >opinion, and he made it real clear that it was his, you can read that or not. >You needn't even like it. But as far as THE DOC-whatsoever is concerned: man >you really suck. you got the nerves to write such a comment? man I really had
You know, I wonder if you learned to program your VCR yet, since your are on AOL.... Where's Pat Griffin? Get this man a Sarcasm Detector... and for your information... me and Bruce Forst are good e-mail buddies... so it was a j-o-k-e....
>- anyone who knows what Vito Bratta and Jake E. Lee are up to currently?
Working at Pizza hut...
>That's the bottom line, because SchnippX said so!
Get off my broomstick, you're wearing it out...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DOE Message-ID: <199801292255.RAA26562@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > Al wrote: > > you dick! Just go ahead and just rub it in that you have this > > friggin' thing, that it's the best thing out there, and that it's > > not for sale. I should flatten you like a fuckin' PANCAKE, boyyeee! > > > > Not only was this my first DT show ever, not only do I still have > > the playbill from this, not only have I been looking for this > > god forsaken boot for years now, but I have to hear THIS shit?!?! > > May you children have the sense of humor of Bafu, but not be able > > to speak and have the ability to play guitar like Ptacek but have > > no fingers, you swine..................... > > I have this boot. It is one of my first DT boots.... > > IT IS SCHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P >
dickhead...........I'll trade ya for it....... :P
Actually, I have a copy of this on that Spinning Years MP3 thingy. Unfortunately, I figured I can listen to it on my computer at work during work, which was basically the only reson I got, since I don't have a computer yet at home. But my computer won't play it, so not only am I pissed that I don't have the actual boot, but I'm pissed that I have an actual copy of it staring at my asshole and I STILL can't listen to it..........
Oh, well, I'm in the process of trying to get a CDR of it. I'm gonna see if anyone in the area here has a copy of it so I can just used the CD copier I have at work to dupe it.
who knows....
thanks for the ribbing........
-Al
-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
------------------------------
End of YTSEJAM Digest 3518 **************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 18:07:03 EST