YTSEJAM Digest 3527
Today's Topics:
1) how new is derek?
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
2) Tribute CD
by cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
3) Lie single CDR
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Googlie Mooglie
by someone@prognosis.com
5) Tribute?
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery
by Thrak75@aol.com
7) Eckie/Bass Player Magazine
by "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
8) Classical Quotes
by "Rosenfeld" <rosenvel@global.co.za>
9) Eckie...
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
10) 'Tage
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
11) working man
by SchnippX@aol.com
12) CD
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
13) Tribute CD
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
14) Re: tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: CD
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) Re: Tribute CD
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
17) Re: Lie single CDR
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
18) Re: tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
19) Re: The Eckiejam
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
20) Re: Trevor Rabin
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:01:31 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how new is derek?
Message-ID: <01IT0TRL5Z6Q001D49@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
answer: not very.
>You know, i realized i still refer to Derek as DT's "New" keyboardsit even
>though he's been with them for what, probly a year by now - he was on
>ACOS... Heh.
I thought he joined in the summer or fall of '94, but either way, the recording
of ACOS we all have is from January '95, so it's at least three years he's
been the keyboardist.
Still, I also sometimes think of him as the new guy. I wonder how long you
older fans thought of James that way.
josh
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:22:24 -0600
From: cmustard@netdot.com (Mark Lampert)
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tribute CD
Message-ID: <01bd2e5c$08769520$352227d1@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Guitar on Pull Me Under and Another Day right here.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:50:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lie single CDR
Message-ID: <199801311550.KAA13392@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> CDR of the Lie single ?
> C'mon surely you can't be serious about this, openly asking someone
> to copy an officially released DT disc ?
> I am with Mike Bahr with this one, a definate no, no.
> Yes I know it is out of print :)
It's JUST a COPY!
If I had a CDR I would do this for free <I'd even buy the media> just so
that ytsejammers could listen to TLF. There's no ethical difference
between an analog copy and a digital copy.
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:14:33 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Googlie Mooglie
Message-ID: <199801311606.IAA14140@odin.ax.com>
> From: Eckie <eckie@asu.edu>
> 3) Bahr Wars 2000: Sure, you don't like him making money off of bootleg
> copying, sure, if you had the sources and burners you'd do it for
> cheaper, and yes...we're all interested in his personal affairs...
Again, Eckie, I know you're just trying to be funny, but there's a
fine line between smart ass and dumb ass :). There has been no
debate with Bahr since a few weeks ago, and I think he and I both
recognize a way to keep it off the list. We've mailed back and
forth, and we're able to be civil about that stuff. All I did now
was remind people that they don't have to pay the "market value" of
$100 or whatever for Subconscious, when people have CDRs. That
has nothing to do with Bahr, and I can't even BEGIN to fathom
why people would criticize me for mentioning it. Please read before
you throw (even hollow cardboard) bricks. :)
The Ytsecd people have been seriously discussing compiling is NOT A
DREAM THEATER TRIBUTE ALBUM. We've tried that several times, and it
doesn't pan out because everyone claims certain songs, and then
people cry about "I started the idea! I should be able to do
whatever song I want!"
A cd of original music by jammers would be much more interesting, to
me, and would be far simpler to create. If you want to start a DT
tribute cd, please discuss that as a seperate issue from the Ytsecd
idea. :)
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass."
- Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:10:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: "Harm's Way" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tribute?
Message-ID: <34D34D07.2C67@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> I don't know about the tribute CD. I just don't see it working unless
> everyone gets together to record it at like one studio.
If you liked to check out a real, live, breathing an example of a
tribute, go check out the web site on Gentle Giant:
http://www.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/gentlegiant.html
or a feature on it (Giant Tracks) at:
Excerpt from the above URL:
"What happens when you mix Gentle Giant, 42 musicians, and the Internet?
The answer is Giant Tracks: a 2-CD tribute album of Gentle Giant
compositions arranged and performed by artists from four countries."
It's real easy to come up with a bazillion reasons why it won't work;
but bear in mind that these people apparently were able to put aside
their egos and just get on with it :)
Granted these guys are pros, but you may find some ideas on there....
Regards,
Jon
-- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------*------------------------------
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:44:15 EST From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery Message-ID: <727b6ff8.34d354e1@aol.com>
ok.....i've been here long enough to remember how many times people have tried to put up a tribute- the silliest idea by any standards. some of you vets here might be able to help me out- is this the 3rd time it's been mentioned here, this talk of the tribute? i'll never forget my favorite, though- last time, people got so mad at each other, that we were going to have RIVAL VERSIONS of a dt tribute (jazzmin v. al, i think it was).
not that i'm going to say "aw, you guys are a bunch of assholes. stop talking about the tribute." that's only if my name were ryan skadberg (sp.?). but otherwise, i could really care less. but all this waste of bandwidth......*yawn*
as for you, mr. merlo, my furry cumquat-to-be: i don't know how "open your eyes" can be any good. i've dreaded the thought of buying. however, if you and new york newsday gave it apparently decent reviews, i might be inclined to.
as for the "keys" cd's. if you show up at the virginia version of tower records with only enough for one cd, PLEASE get the 1st one. i really dislike the 2nd one- it's that horrible. listening to the first one, my thoughts were "cool- they can still play, and the studio songs, though semi-cheesy, are decent." however, with numero dos, i thought:
a) it sounds like 10 week old smegma b) their age is showing, which is bad. it hurts their live performance. especially a song like "close to the edge", where they played the ending down a step from the original. hmm, can jon be having problems hitting notes up there, or is it that steve likes playing on lower frets?
gotcha all in check. ytsegoon
************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com
"it's hard for me to say what's right when all i wanna do is wrong." -prince ************************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:44:15 -0500 From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Eckie/Bass Player Magazine Message-ID: <199801311746.MAA29544@home.gis.net>
Eckie: you need help. See a doctor. :) Everyone: I know there are a lot of FW fans out there, so I figure I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that in the March 1998 issue of Bass Player Magazine there is a 1/2 page profile on Joey Vera, which is interesting. I don't have the article here, but I recall something about a solo disc coming out soon or already out or something like that... anyways... -Nicholas "Anyone who believes in psychokineses, please raise my right hand."
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:18:57 +0200 From: "Rosenfeld" <rosenvel@global.co.za> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Classical Quotes Message-ID: <199801311826.KAA17618@geocities.com>
Hi!
Does anyone knows any classical quotes by metal/hard rock/rock artists?
you can chack out some of this stuff on my page:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5233/fireball.htm
also, please vote there for your favorite neoclassical metal albums.
Thanks, Avi
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:36:39 -0800 From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eckie... Message-ID: <v03110701b0f92d84b622@[169.229.75.60]>
Words of wisdom from noisy Eckie, posted through a psychotic cola colored caffine induced haze. More power to ya!
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________ Shane Liebling R "All of us get lost in the darkness, jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu U dreamers learn to steer by the stars CAA Layman and Ytsejammer S All of us do time in the gutter, Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 H dreamers turn to look at the cars." -------------------------------- The Sites --------------------------------- The Short Me - http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/ The Long Me - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi Deutsch Hall's Webpage - http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/unit1/deutsch/ ---------------------------------- by Me ----------------------------------- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." ------------------------------Douglas Adams---------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:28:16 -0500 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 'Tage Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980131142816.00725448@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Hey, wasn't "The Wake of Magellan" supposed to come out in the US in January? ...the thing is, January's about *this* close to being over. Assistance? Anybody, anybody?
Brian "1001001, In Distress" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:36:39 EST From: SchnippX@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: working man Message-ID: <d255ff1c.34d37d49@aol.com>
Sorry but aren't we forgetting Billy Sheehan and TALAS ? Anyway last verse,
4.Then be not coy, but use your time; And while ye may, goe marry: For having lost but once your prime, You may forever tarry.
Bye you all
schnippx
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:07:41 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD Message-ID: <v0153050db0f931070060@[209.50.100.158]>
>>I am sure that I am not the best webmaster out there, but if you like the >>idea, I can start such a page... Well, the problem is that I have only >>little space left on my homepage, but still... >>Anyways, I'd be glad if this idea is in any way useful... >>If you think so - mail me...
Hey I think this project could be succesful if it were seperate from the jam itself (as long as we're talking about a jammers original CD and not a tribute). There are a lot of people who don't want to read 10 jams a day with ytse Cd info. Keeping it on the jam would only encourage uninterested people to keep it from happening. This needs a seperate mailing list or a message board on the web.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:05:50 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tribute CD Message-ID: <34D3841E.1C2B9B59@netins.net>
Hello all, I'm volunteering my services for the next attempt at a tribute CD. I have a zip drive, two CD-Rs, and all the FTP and Web space on a T1 we could fill. If any of these come in handy, just let me know.
tk
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:18:45 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980131181430.16960A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 Thrak75@aol.com wrote:
> ok.....i've been here long enough to remember how many times people have tried > to put up a tribute- the silliest idea by any standards. some of you vets > here might be able to help me out- is this the 3rd time it's been mentioned > here, this talk of the tribute? i'll never forget my favorite, though- last > time, people got so mad at each other, that we were going to have RIVAL > VERSIONS of a dt tribute (jazzmin v. al, i think it was).
This time things will be different... :-) It seems that the tribute won't be a tribute anyway... :-) It will be a "public" CD (or, at least, this is what I understood), with efforts from many people. And I really have faith in the collective work because it brought us one of the most revolutionary environments of our era: the Internet.
Think about it: we can do anything we want if we have enough discipline.
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: I don't know anything about laws, so, please, excuse my ignorance here, but can the GNU Policy be applied (with some modifications, perhaps) to music??
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:36:56 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: CD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980131182011.16960B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Jeff Keifling wrote:
> Hey I think this project could be succesful if it were seperate from the > jam itself (as long as we're talking about a jammers original CD and not a > tribute). There are a lot of people who don't want to read 10 jams a day > with ytse Cd info. Keeping it on the jam would only encourage uninterested > people to keep it from happening. This needs a seperate mailing list or a > message board on the web.
I'm sorry for my ignorance, Jeff. I don't understand your point here.
There were many times when I received many things in which I was not interested to read anymore from the list (see, how many times will we be reading the "funny" -- which aren't funny anymore -- posts of someone trying to "sell their Awake for the absolutely cheap price of $100,000.00"; it was funny for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd times they appeared here, but now they're sickening).
*BUT* (and here comes a big BUT) you're in a public, democratic forum where everybody has their right to voice their opinions, even if you don't want to read them.
I understand that as I don't want to read these "funny" posts anymore, you may be sick of the 10 'jams a day about the "tribute" CD. Everyone here doesn't like something at least from the 'jam (some may not be interested in hearing what Iron Maiden is doing nowadays, some may not give a shit about Moonspell's new album, some may not be interested in reading reviews of Dream Theater shows because they want to be surprised when it is their time to see the show etc).
Again, given those multiple interests in such a heterogeneous list (which, in my opinion, is the thing which makes this list one of the most interesting ones which I have ever subscribed), we have to respect the other's right to post.
I usually enjoy a lot the posts of people such as Mr. Ptacek, Mr. Bahr, Mr. Merlo, Mr. Abel (and others, whose names I'm sure I don't remember now), even if I don't agree with their viewpoints.
Summarizing: even if you don't enjoy those posts, please read them. We may appreciate any comments on the CD. Or if you really don't care about the posts, press the infamous skip key (PgDown or Space or ..., depending on which platform you're reading this :-) ).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:10:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tribute CD Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980131210829.322B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Hey, I'll play all of the keys if you want. I already know WFS, SDV, and Another Day. I know good portions of PMU, UAGM, and The Mirror. I can learn the other stuff if given a few weeks (MAYBE 2 months). Seriously, if anyone REALLy wants to do this, I'm game. I've got a Kurzweil Mark 10 at my house, Cakewalk 5, and some other little recording goodies.
Carpe Diem, -- Bert Baldwin rcb@vectorbd.com
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:32:20 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lie single CDR Message-ID: <34D39864.60CFBE74@sydney.net>
Steve Zebrowski wrote: > It's JUST a COPY! > > If I had a CDR I would do this for free <I'd even buy the media> just so > that ytsejammers could listen to TLF. There's no ethical difference > between an analog copy and a digital copy.
Your just a legend then mate :) Do you also have wings ?
graham
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:48:50 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: tribute stupidity and merlo's yes panty sniffery Message-ID: <199801312148.QAA04285@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> P.S.: I don't know anything about laws, so, please, excuse my ignorance > here, but can the GNU Policy be applied (with some modifications, perhaps) > to music??
Not really. The reason the GNU Public License was drafted was to protect the rights of software users from greedy middlemen. It breaks down like this. I write a program and distribute it for free, granting everyone the rights to distribute or modify it. Dr. Mosh changes the software -- even in the slightest way -- and rereleases it as proprietary software. After all, he changed it. Now you can't get my software with Mosh's modifications for free, even though that's what I intended.
However, if I had released my software under the GNU Public License, Mosh would be obligated by law to continue to distribute my software for free, whether he modifies it or not.
Music doesn't really apply here, since we don't copyright music for the purpose of allowing others to change it. We copyright it so that if others want to use it -- even a part of it -- they have to acknowledge that it's ours (usually monetarily). Good thought, though.
The computer geek, -d
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:17:50 -0500 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Eckiejam Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131181750.0068ee0c@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
>~Eckie had too much soda today
Dude, you must have had too much *something*. But keep sucking it down, whatever it is. I was laughing so hard that I almost fell out of my chair.
I hope somebody's got a lot of spackle wherever you live to repair holes in walls. You must have been bouncing off 'em like a rubber ball...
Cheers, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Jimmy Buffett -- "Feeding Frenzy"
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:52:27 -0500 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trevor Rabin Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131185227.00693cb4@mail.ee.net>
At 11:49 AM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Man, > >What a flame on poor Trevor Rabin!!! > >90125, Union, and Talk are SUPER albums!! >Trevor is a GREAT singer and can write songs to boot! > >I have his solo album "Can't Look Away", and it's among my favorite CDs. >Great diversity from song to song, and great musicianship. Just because >YES changed, deosn't mean they sucked afterwards!!! They brought in >Trevor for a reason --> the whole back wanted to go in that direction as >well. > >As for Trevor singing more than John Anderson on TALK: That's a bunch of >horseshit!!! John sings the majority of the songs, and Trevor is rarely >up front from what I can recall. TALK is one of my favorite CDs, too. > >Well, say what you want to say, talk what you want to talk, but Trevor is >a hell of a musician and talent. I wish he had another solo effort out >there somewhere.... > >-Jon
Put me down as another person who thinks than Trevor CHANGED Yes, but did not RUIN Yes. But then I'm such an idiot that I absolutely love Drama, ABWH, and Union so what do I know about Yes?
Trevor is an incredible musician and a great composer.
I am aware of several other solo albums that he has done:
Trevor Rabin (AKA Beginnings) 1978 Chrysalis CHR 1196 Face to Face 1980 Chrysalis CHR 1221 Wolf 1981 ZCHR 1293
These have all been re-issued by One-Way Records and should be available cheaply from just about any of the mail order companies in Goldmine. I've never heard any of them.
He was also the leader of a band called Rabbitt: Boys will be Boys 1976 A Croak and a Grunt in the Night 1977 Rock Rabbitt 1978
I'm sure these will be re-issued for Yes/Trevor suckers everywhere who want to add to their 400-CD YES-related collection just for completeness :-P
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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