YTSEJAM Digest 3525
Today's Topics:
1) Yes, the DTFAQ, radio
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) Re: Hotmail woes, subscribing/unsubscribing
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
3) Re: The Revealing Science of Krishna
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
4) DT tribute CD
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
5) Leonardo WHO???
by Uroborosss@aol.com
6) Working Man's lineup. Final analysis...
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
7) Mike Bahr
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
8) Murray's Maiden songs
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
9) Re: Mike Bahr
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
10) stuph
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
11) Jammer CD
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) Yes (NDTC)
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
13) assorted nonsense
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
14) Re: assorted nonsense
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
15) Sorry, this is a test, I just want to see if I can get rid of that binary shit in my email.
by "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk>
16) Tribute CD
by Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:22:27 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes, the DTFAQ, radio
Message-ID: <199801302322.SAA00422@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
First, I'd like to thank everyone that recommended the Yes albums KTA I and
II. Next time I see them, I'll get them. It seems like everyone loves them.
Thanks again to everyone that I haven't had time to e-mail personally.
Now, for the FAQ: If you haven't submitted an essay explaining why you should
be the new FAQ maintainer, and you still want to, the deadline is about an
hour and a half away (8:00 pm EST). It's a totally arbitrary deadline, but
hey, it's my game, so I make the rules. :)
Opinion question: If my college's radio station were to start bitcasting
(RealAudio or whatever), let me know if you would be interested in listening.
(That means send me some private e-mail.) For info on my show (and the other
shows on WCWM) try the URL below. (No, it's not the FAQ URL. *sniff*)
-d
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cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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"The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:43:13 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hotmail woes, subscribing/unsubscribing
Message-ID: <199801302343.SAA00512@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> After having two days in a row where I couldn't read my mail because
> Hotmail said my account was over 10000k in size, I have decided to move
> my music related mailing lists to a new account. You can now reach me
> at paradox7@mailexcite.com
>
> However, I need some help. I need instructions on both how to
> unsubscribe and resubscribe to the lists. Please mail me privately at
> either this address the new address, or both.
I would send you a copy of the FAQ (since it might be my last chance), but I'm
afraid that your "ISP" would barf it back to me. :)
To subscribe, mail "ytsejam-request@ax.com", subject "asdf", body "subscribe
ytsejam your name". To UNsubscribe, same address, same subject, body
"unsubscribe ytsejam".
I'm too nice sometimes. :)
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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"The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:51 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Revealing Science of Krishna
Message-ID: <199801302346.SAA00532@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> >From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
> >Subject: Re: Weed and the 7 string=20
>
> [pot thing snipped]
>
> Not that we need this argument, but does one really have to drink a yard of
> horse piss to know it probably isn't the most remunerative experience a
> human being can have? And this isn't a pot thing. As my favorite drummer
> once scrawled for a concert program -- "I am not an existentialist. I am a
> free man."
Um, was that an agreement or a disagreement? :)
-D "I've never drunk horse piss" Man
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The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart
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"The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM
http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:24:36 -0600
From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tribute CD
Message-ID: <l03130301b0f81eedc5fc@[128.252.105.105]>
Why don't the ytsejam bands gdt together and put together a CD of ORIGINAL
stuff rather than covers. I'd be more interested in hearing news stuff and
I think even DT would be more flattered to hear near stuff with their
influences. Any thoughts?
Mindless happy joy,
I just got an email from the maintainer of Megadeth's official site
saying that I won a limited edition pressing of Crytpic Writings! I won it
for playing the Megakombat contest where you make up Mortal Combat
character/storyline for Megadeth as a promotion for Megadeth being on the
Mortal Kombat album!
Cool, huh?
Seth Hatlelid
srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"If I was twice the man I could be, I'd still be half of what you
need!"
-Trent Reznor
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:31:14 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Leonardo WHO???
Message-ID: <b4b03303.34d27ee4@aol.com>
For the first time in a long time, someone actually compared Mike Bahr's
bootlegs to the paintings of Leonardo DaVinci. Then I woke up.
Spice up your life,
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:20:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Working Man's lineup. Final analysis...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980130211649.32420A-100000@SOUND.SCC.NET>
Well, after sorting through the web page and adding some other bands from
you guys, I think we have a pretty complete list here of the contributors
to "Working Man".
Here we go!
Key: V - Vocals
G - Guitar
B - Bass
D - Drums
K - Keys
Name Instrument Band
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Ray Alder V Fates Warning
Brendt Allman G Shadow Gallery
Sebastian Bach V Skid Row
Robert Berry V,G,B,K Solo artist, GTR, 3
Jeff Brockman D Cairo
Carl Cadden-James B Shadow Gallery
Deen Castronovo D Bad English, Hardline, Sting,
Cacophony, Marty Friedman, others...
Marcel Coenen G Lemur Voice
Trent Gardner K Magellan
Stuart Hamm B Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Solo projects
Jake E. Lee G Ozzy Osbourne, Badlands, Ratt
James LaBrie V Dream Theater
George Lynch G Dokken, Lynch Mob
Eric Martin V Mr. Big
Jim Matheos G Fates Warning
Steve Morse G Dixie Dregs, Solo band
James Murphy G,K Testament, Death, Obituary, Solo projects
John Petrucci G Dream Theater
Mike Pinnella K Symphony X
Mike Portnoy D Dream Theater
Michael Romeo G Symphony X
Jack Russell V Great White
Mark Slaughter V Slaughter
Billy Sheehan B Mr. Big, Niacin
Devin Townsend V Strapping Young Lad, Vai's S&R, Ocean Machine
Joey Vera B Armored Saint, Fates Warning
Gregoor Van Der Loo V Lemur Voice
Mark Zonder D Fates Warning
There are some other musicians in the liner notes too, such as:
Richard Chycki G
Matt Guillory K Chaos Theory
Brad Kaiser D Magellan
Sean Malone B Cynic
David Townson G
Gary Wehrkamp K Shadow Gallery
Well, that's it! Thanks to all who contributed. Now I've got to type up
my own little liner notes so I can figure out who plays on what songs!
Later!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:20:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95q.980130201300.26770G-100000@descartes.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> public it had become, but the difficulty Melissa and I are having trying
> to get her pregnant is NOT public joke material. I have to
> optomistically assume it was a stab in the dark, but the realist in me
Excuse me??? Mike, you just said it, not me. This is the FIRST I've
heard of this. I sure as hell don't follow (or give a shit, for that
matter) what's going on in your personal life. All I know about you
is what I happen to see you post here on the jam, and even then, I
don't read all of your messages. It's hard to keep up with 10 jams
a day.
> mainly directed at my own foibles, which I can take because I'm used to
I was making parody of the fact you come on here all the time and
complain about all the personal problems in your life. I exaggerated
and listed some of the other "personal problems" people typically have.
That is the ONLY thing I was trying to make fun of. I was NOT trying
to make fun of any specific personal problems (we all have them) in
your life. I was making fun of the fact you post about all of them
here. Period. So please don't read anything more into my comments.
I would be fucking pissed if I was going through the same thing as you
and Melissa and someone made a comment like that intentionally. However,
in this case it was sure as hell not intentional. I may be an asshole,
but I'm ONLY an asshole. That someone would even think I'd go as low as
that bothers me.
In the future, why don't you e-mail someone privately before flying off
your handle? What on EARTH makes you think I'd have a grudge against
you Mike? Not everyone here is out to get you. In the original Bahr
Wars, I brought up a few things I didn't like about your Prism Records
operation, but otherwise I've never had any arguments with you that I
can remember, and so why you think after being mostly a lurker the past
couple of years that I'd intentionally try and demean you is beyond me.
The bottom line, is you totally misinterpreted my message. It's
tempting to just tell you to fuck off instead of wasting my time (and
I sure as hell could use more of it these days) explaining a simple
attempt to amuse people. I risk slinging shit back at you and
starting a falme war, but I want to defend my reputation. I do
promise that I will not continue this thread beyond this one message
though.
> That was NOT moral, and it was NOT funny." I have to hope to assume that
> you're just some punk kid, because every adult knows that you just don't
> toy with other people's married lives in public. It simply isn't done.
Well, I'm not some "punk kid". I'm not a lot younger than you, and I'm a
university student and am paying my own way towards a meaningful degree.
And when I'm not studying (such as is the case this winter term), I'm
supporting myself with a REAL full-time job. And prior to that I had put
myself in a good position, having started a successful little (legal...)
small business when I was in high school.
I'm not as well off as some people I know, but I am independent, I am
happy, I have a wonderful girlfriend, and I am in FULL control of my
present and my future. I may have it easier than a lot of people (hell,
I've never had to work really hard), probably including yourself, but
it's THROUGH MY OWN DOING and that's not something you can criticize me
for.
> And finally, given as how I sell Lie singles for whatever the market
> demand will bear, I fail to see how you can twist such a thing into an
> insult directed at me. Everyone and their dog wants a Lie single.
Listen, I didn't know you were selling Lie singles. I said that
because I *DO* have another Lie single left. The last time I made a
sarcastic comment like that, I actually found out that it's rarer
than I thought, and ended up selling my extra copy (AT market value).
> Finally, about me saving the DT Lie single to my hard drive. I want to
> make this clear here and now. I have not, do not, and will not ever,
> pirate any of DT's material. I have an original Lie single in mint
Jesus christ... now you're WAY off your rocker. I can't even begin to
guess why you think that was directed at you. I said *I* have them
saved on my HD, and that's EXACTLY what I meant. Actually, I only
have a .MP3 of TLF (remember, it's not a digital copy, so it's legal!)
The radio edit of Lie I can live without (why would I want to listen
to that version anyway?), and the other 2 tracks are on Awake and
LATM anyway. So I may sell that copy one of these days as well.
> when you're agreeing not to start shit on the Jam. I would have thought
> that you could at least honour a promise you made less than two WEEKS
> ago to let this shit slide.
Kind of like you honoured your promise not to continue complaining
about your personal problems on the list?
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:43:47 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Murray's Maiden songs
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980131134347.006df7a8@powerup.com.au>
Eric Rodger wrote:
>Harris has written the majority of Maiden songs, but I can't think of many
>that Dave Murray wrote or co-wrote. Still Life is the only one I can think
>of by name (and what a great fookin song), but I know he helped or wrote at
>least one on Fear of the Dark, but I can't remember which. Looking forward
>to hearing more from Davey.
Off the top of my head...
Charlotte the Harlot (Murray)
Sanctuary (Harris/Di'Anno/Murray)
Twilight Zone (Harris/Murray)
Still Live (Murray/Harris)
Deja-Vu (Murray/Harris)
The Prophecy (Murray/Harris)
Public Enema Number One (Murray/Dickinson)
Fates Warning (Murray/Harris)
Chains of Misery (Dickinson/Murray)
Judas Be My Guide (Dickinson/Murray)
Virus (Harris/Gers/Murray/Bayley)
As well as co-writing a few b-sides. Not as prolific as Harris, but more
prolific than Nicko McBrain (who has never written a track that appeared on
an album).
Now that you've all stopped giving a toss, back to your Yes discussions.
Spiff
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:13:46 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <199801310413.UAA19617@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Lars Hellsten said:
>
>Well, I'm not some "punk kid". I'm not a lot younger than you, and I'm a
>university student and am paying my own way towards a meaningful degree.
>And when I'm not studying (such as is the case this winter term), I'm
>supporting myself with a REAL full-time job. And prior to that I had put
>myself in a good position, having started a successful little (legal...)
>small business when I was in high school.
Please Lard, I mean, Lars... you could've e-mail Bahr yourself and saved
the hypocracy yourself... even though I know Bahr responds to public forums
better than private e-mail sometimes...
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:27:20 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuph Message-ID: <001601bd2bad$68ede680$e2c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
> From: Peter Tatischev <tatisch@null.net> > Subject: Any demos??? > > So, if you are not afraid that anyone would steal the ideas you have, and > if your band has a homepage with some mp3-clips, why don't you post the URL > over to the jam, I am sure that a lot of people would be interested in > listening to what other DT fans out there are up to??? Don't you think so?
Well, my band has mp3s up at our web page, http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/fuerza/ - but it's not really very prog, so i dunno if it'll be you guys' kinda music. I haven't been able to come up with a label - maybe one of you guys can help me? We just recorded a demo of one song, that'll be online in a few days. Maybe I'll put it up tonite. Comments would be greatly appreciated, both as far as the usic and the web page, etc. Those 100 or so that have visited the web page are mostly me checking out my improvements :) Moo.
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> From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> > Subject: John Myung interview > > I read the John Myung interview and was struck by the part about Kevin > leaving (though it wasn't said like that). John seemed somewhat emotional
You know, i realized i still refer to Derek as DT's "New" keyboardist even though he's been with them for what, probly a year by now - he was on ACOS... Heh.
--
Dan McCormack (dmc@dreamt.org) http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:39:33 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Jammer CD Message-ID: <001d01bd2baf$1d7dd960$e2c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
>From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> >Subject: Re: Tribute *this*.
> >Just because the other times, you guys had no motivation doesn't mean that >we'll fail again ^_^ > >It can be done. Honest!
I don't know about the tribute CD. I just don't see it working unless everyone gets together to record it at like one studio. It failed several times. Let it die. :) But i like the idea of a Jammers CD. For one thing, it will give us NEW music to listen to. For another thing, the bands will probably find the recording easier because it's their own material. Third, it will expose us to a wide variety of music (hey, we ARE all open-minded, right? :) for example, I'm sure there's at least ONE DT fan on this list who has a country band :) And i know there have to be a few who rap. Come on, there's like 1500 or something by now - at its low it was around 700... I think it'd be cool to hear the wide variety of music that Jammers can put out. I offer to contribute - my band even has a demo recorded (recently - we recorded it last week). tomorrow i do the guitar overdubs. And stuff. Moo.
--
Dan (dmc@dreamt.org)
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:37:43 PST From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes (NDTC) Message-ID: <19980131043743.15605.qmail@hotmail.com>
Haven't been Jamming at all lately, due to the incredible backlog I have....screw Hotmail =)
Jon P. mentioned something about Yes and their unswerving path towards mediocrity ;) He said it began with GFTO....Now, keep in mind, I was *born* in '78, but I have the "important" Yes albums--The Yes Album up through GFTO. Seems to me that TYA, Fragile, and Close all sound pretty similar...then Bruford leaves and all hell breaks loose. TFTO, Relayer, and GFTO sound nothing like each other...but I think GFTO is still good prog rock, and to say that with GFTO the band was on its road towards the Rabin era seems a bit odd...I dunno, I can't see a continuum between GFTO and 90210...like I said, I'm a bit more postmodern than Jon is so maybe it's just me =)
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:58:05 -0500 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: assorted nonsense Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980131025805.006ca058@postoffice.ptd.net>
Hey, jamrz. Hope everyone's well . . . just wanted to post a few things:
1) BMS - compare the chorus of this song with the chorus of Danzig's "Until You Call on the Dark" (from 4) . . . . kinda spooky, huh? Repetition of the title of the song, w/the same note pattern, only in different keys . . . just an interesting tidbit for anyone interested :).
2) Re: the jammer tribute album, if anyone would want to get together sometime, I'd love to do vocals for a song . . . maybe TKH or LSOaD?
3) Re: CDR's, could someone PLEASE make me the following ones, for whatever price (within reason): Subconscious, the Lie single, and the unreleased FII sessions material, if possible? Also, if you've got any other DT rarities and you're feeling generous about CDR-ing, don't hesitate to e-mail me. Thanx.
4) YNM radio edit - has anyone else noticed how JP's solo is somewhat rearranged? Heard it again the other day, and the solo definitely sounded different . . .
Later! -Brian
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:10:23 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: assorted nonsense Message-ID: <34D2EA7F.111F6BCE@sydney.net>
Brian Larkin wrote: > 3) Re: CDR's, could someone PLEASE make me the following ones, for whatever > price (within reason): Subconscious, the Lie single, and the unreleased > FII sessions material, if possible?
CDR of the Lie single ? C'mon surely you can't be serious about this, openly asking someone to copy an officially released DT disc ? I am with Mike Bahr with this one, a definate no, no. Yes I know it is out of print :)
graham
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:38:30 -0000 From: "Elydian" <elydian@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry, this is a test, I just want to see if I can get rid of that binary shit in my email. Message-ID: <199801310939.JAA21220@camelot.netcom.net.uk>
---
In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality.
#4
UIN: 1491970
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:55:42 +1000 From: Luke <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tribute CD Message-ID: <34D2F51E.59BD@winshop.com.au>
> For the record, I call Burning My Soul (I think I can get away with > playing that... ^_^)
I'm a drummer, I'll do WFS .... that's how f**ken good I am.
Luke.
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