YTSEJAM Digest 4041
Today's Topics:
1) LITS Tab again
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
2) Pink Floyd and the Year 2000 (NDTC)
by MaxArbot@aol.com
3) Amps, amps, amps. Opinions, opinions, opinions. NDTC
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
4) Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse"
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
5) Re: pink Floyd question
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
6) Re: Amps, amps, amps. Opinions, opinions, opinions. NDTC
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
7) Peavey?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) Classic boots
by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
9) Re: Recommendations (VDGG)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
10) Lemur Voice
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
11) World Cup? Is that a new kind of superbra?
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
12) Guitar effects
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
13) Re: 7 string transcriptions
by Calvin6S@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LITS Tab again
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980706121834.5680A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
> From: someone@enteract.com
> Subject: LitS (Contains tab)
> I learned it using a 7 string. I thought I heard 7 on the
> opening chords, without a doubt, and still think it's very possible
> he's using a 7 on the song on the disc, though live he hasn't, that I
> recall. Regardless, I think the tab book is wrong, and while I don't
I'm still pretty sure it's a six string. Those chords have a
"dry" feel that comes from not having the low D root note. Because Myung
plays that note on bass (an octave lower of course) it gets confusing
> quickly, so this may be way off) my part is different than what I've
> seen so far.
>
> E|---------------------------------------------------
> B|----3---3-----------------------------------------
> G|----2---2-------0----5---------------------------
> D|----0---0-----------------5----0-----------------
> A|----0---0---------------------------5-----0------
> E|---------------------------------------------------
> B|----3---3-----------------------------------------
This is pretty much the way I first played it, and then I checked
the CD and realized I was way off. The way I learned it is the same as
what Calvin posted.
> of the tabs I've seen seem to sound like it so far, except Calvin's,
> and he does all that hammering and upstroke economy crap, so we can
> rule his picking out, at least. <Grin> Flame on.
No need to flame, we all just have different perspectives. It's
not that often that I participate in a respectable debate on here anyways.
Ciao.
-C#
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:19:16 EDT
From: MaxArbot@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pink Floyd and the Year 2000 (NDTC)
Message-ID: <99ee35db.35a10715@aol.com>
Okay, here's the fuel for the rumor mill...
I heard (somewhere) that Pink Floyd is going to have a concert on New Year's
Eve in Egypt. Apparently it's going to take place near the Great Pyramids.
I've also heard that they're going to use the moon as a canvas when they cover
it in designs using lasers!! How cool is that?
Just wondering if anyone else has heard the same thing.
[eriC]
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html">THE DRE/\M THE/\TER</A>
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:40:08 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Amps, amps, amps. Opinions, opinions, opinions. NDTC
Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5E790617@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
> Inexpensive combos can get a good rhythm
> sound... I really like the
> new Trans Tube stuff by Peavey. Similar to Valvestate, with more
> chunk, and less price. I use a Fender Stage 112 SE as a practice
> amp... it's very noisy, and loses a bit of chuink on the rhythm for
> the warmth of the lead tone. I find it to be satisfactory. RARELY
> can you find the rhythm and lead tone you want in one inexpensive
> combo, OR in a combo that can sound good quiet. If these aren't an
> issue, then you really NEED to check out the Mesa stuff and the
> Bogner stuff. You may dig the Peavey 5150 (you will sound more like
> satan than like Eddie Van Halen through this thing... it is a rippin'
> amp for the 6 string thing.)
> KillMary has a Carvin 2 X 12 combo that gets
> some really killer
> metal tones. Maybe he can post about it.
I'd recommend the Hughes & Kettener (did I spell that right?) combo amps.
Every single one of their amps that I've plugged into has sounded really
cool, and been pretty flexible. Even the solid state ones sound good.
Egnater's also making combos now, but those are SERIOUSLY expensive. I agree
that the 5150 is positively EVIL, but I don't think the combo sounds as good
as the heads do. Boogie is, of course, always an option, as long as being
quiet is of no concern. :)
>
> > for good metal tones and only moderate expense, i would
> > recommend the marshall Valvestate amps. they use a tube preamp
> > and a solid state power amp, so they cost less than all tube
> > amps, and they sound good at low volumes, unlike a tube amp
> > which warms up when cranked. the valvestate will do good
> > crunchy metal tones, but not really good warm blues SRV tones.
>
> The real "tube" sound IMO is in the power amp
> section. I have used
> so much bullshit that says "With a real screaming 12AX7 in the
> preamp" to know that it's bullshit. My TriAxis does not get the
> ripping pure chunk that a lot of old metal bands got, and it has
> what... 5 12AX7s? The ripping tone is only there when I plug into my
> power amp. You can get a great "metal" tone for lead and for rhythm
> without stepping into the tube zone... I don't recommend ANYTHING
> that is advertised as "featuring a screaming 12AX7 preamp tube."
> That means it has a glowing orange light probably visible so as to
> make you think it's cool. It doesn't mean it has tone.
Actually, most of those only have 12 - 20 volts going to the plates on the
tubes, whereas the Triaxis has over 200 - as does my Marshall JMP1. High
voltage tubes sound like CRAP at low voltages. That mysterious entity called
"Tone" seems to be a different combination for everyone. For example, I have
a tube preamp, but a solid - state power amp (a TubeWorks MosValve 80/80).
Of course, this isn't a normal solid state amp, but Diamond (I refuse to go
along with his name change) Darrel uses crappy solid state Randalls, fer
Crissakes!
Bernd used an ADA MP-1 and an Engl power amp for "Behind" - I asked him. I
would sound like shit through that... :) (Not that I don't, anyway)
>
> > if you want something all tube, you might look at the newer
> > marshall JCM 2000 amps, or the boogie DC series or Dual
> > Rectifier series - then you're talking $700-1200. you said
> > combo amp so i'm leaving out rack gear.
>
> May extend well beyond the $1200 range, but
> you're really talking
> about pro gear and stuff that's USUALLY worth every penny.
> If you're not worried about going pro-gear yet,
> I'd recommend
> exhausting every foot pedal possibility, and saving some bux!
Try the Vox Distortion Booster - Chris Caffery from Savatage had one of
these and it sounded GREAT!
>
> > of the Marshall. Having said that, it could be my pickups
> with the low gain.
> > I play an Ibanez RG507 with the standard Ibanez V7 at the
> neck, S1 in the
> > centre, and V8 at the bridge, so if you're playing through
> Evolutions or
>
> I had those pickups in my axe at one point.
> They are your problem.
> Upgrade your bridge pickup (I'm assuming your Neck pickup is fine,
> and you're not expecting the super gain sound out of it). I love
> Duncans, but if you're a real metalhead, I'd suggest EMGs.
I actually find the EMG's to be a bit to mid-dy without some serious EQ.
They do crunch, though. The 81's, that is - the '85 is a bit too mellow. But
certainly get rid of those stock Ibanez pieces of shit! They're almost as
bad as Jackson pickups!
>
> I'm no expert on anything, but there's my opinions... :)
You have an opinion, Chris? I'm shocked!
Scott wrote...
> the Valvestates have tube preamp and SS power amp, as do the
> Fender Performer amps that another poster mentioned. it's a
> great way to get a better preamp sound without the expense /
> weight / heat / retubing hassle of power tubes. for metal, i
> think they sound great. Fates Warning and Prong used
> Valvestates for their live sound. for other types of tones,
> like the glassy SRV Fender thing, slight power tube distortion
> is a must - you simply can't get that sound out of a solid
> state power amp.
Actually, that Valvestate on top of Jim's rack wasn't plugged in. He
actually uses a Mesa Mark III head - which is funny, because most people
hate those things. The Mark IV is much better.
>
> the general Boogie mark series design is based on old Fender
> designs with a pre gain stage tone stack, so i'm not surprised
> that you need the power amp coloration to warm up the Triaxis
> sound. that may be why the Boogie preamps i tried with my rack
> didn't sound very good.
>
Boogie stuff generally sounds good with Boogie stuff. It's DESIGNED to have
the power amp coloration - they should really sell the Triax and the 2:90 as
a unit, because the Triax just doesn't sound right without it.
Which is why I still have my JMP1 and my MosValve. I can't believe you like
the Peavey, though - is it the Rockmaster, or whatever? Everybody's
different, I guess... :)
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:22:03 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse"
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980706150802.1934D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, NGA wrote:
> OPETH - My Arms, Your Hearse
>
> Weird title, weird but excellent music. I'd listened to Opeth's first albums
> "Orchid" and "Morningrise" and found them interesting but not quite good
> enough to buy. Perhaps I'll have to go back and listen to them again in view
> of this new album. (...)
Well, I can certainly recommend their other albums. It's
definitely my preferred band, tied together with Dream Theater (well,
perhaps, I like Dream Theater a tiny bit more, but I'm not sure about
this).
The first two albums are incredible and very similar to each
other. Unfortunately, I can't comment on MAYH yet because I don't have it
(I'm *very* anxious to listen to this controversial album -- people have
been discussing a lot about the album, and its production and such on the
Nectar mailing list, since it seems to be heavier than the previous ones).
Some people called them sell-outs because they have songs shorter
than 10 minutes (well, you get the picture -- a band starts doing only 10+
minute songs and then they put some 5 minute tracks :-) ). One thing of
which everybody complained is that they think that 52 minutes is very
short for an Opeth album.
But there are some people who claim MAYH to be their best release.
I must say that I'm intrigued. But I reiterate here my
recommendation to both "Orchid" and "Morningrise". Well, "Morningrise" is,
together with "...And Justice for All" and "Images & Words", my preferred
album.
And check out the Iron Maiden tribute called "A Call to Irons". It
features some incredible covers and Opeth covers "Remember Tomorrow". Very
nice. And no death metal vocals, just incredible clean vocals.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:23:22 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: pink Floyd question Message-ID: <199876142059241@ix.netcom.com>
<<Also, is "animals" good? What about the CDs with Gilmour before "DSOTM?">>
YES! Animals is, in my opinion, their best album. Dogs has to be (aside Comfortably Numb) Gilmours best guitar work ever. THe Final Cut is a good one too, thats Roger Waters' last album with Floyd.
Matt
"Shouldn't we put a paper bag over our heads or somethin?" "Yes, you can do that if you'd like" "Oh, will that help?" "No"
-Ford Prefect
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Amps, amps, amps. Opinions, opinions, opinions. NDTC Message-ID: <199807061832.OAA17996@node12.unix.Virginia.EDU>
According to Blevins, Mike: > > Which is why I still have my JMP1 and my MosValve. I can't believe you like > the Peavey, though - is it the Rockmaster, or whatever? Everybody's > different, I guess... :)
yeah, the Rock Master, 4 tubes, running at 250 mA plate current, into a Mosvalve like yours [great power amps]. it sounds fantastic. for over a year i kept A/Bing the Peavey against all kinds of other big name preamps [never tried a JMP1 though] and the Rock Master sounded better than all of them, by a long shot, for ultra high gain. the Peavey name does surprise some folks, but the bottom line is the tone. i know guys with big 16 space racks, all sorts of fancy gear, who have a rock master tucked in there for the clean sounds.
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:39:22 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Peavey? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980706113905.006e9918@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:01 AM 7/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >Which is why I still have my JMP1 and my MosValve. I can't believe you like >the Peavey, though - is it the Rockmaster, or whatever? Everybody's >different, I guess... :)
You know, the terms "Peavey" and "Tone" don't usually go together, but I have to admit Peavey has at least 2 lines of amps that just plain kick ass. If you're looking for a good clean tone, a clear jazz sound, or a fairly overdriven blues sound, the Peavey 50 watt combo amps aren't too shabby. I thought Peavey amps seriously sucked, but one guy I was jamming with one time had one of these 50 watt all tube combo amps (w/ 4 10 inch speakers in it) and I was thoroughly impressed. Before I looked at the name on the amp, I could've SWORE it was a Matchless. It just sounded THAT good! ...and don't EVER rule out the Peavey 5150 for gain. I think Ptacek said something about this. This amp has too much gain. I got a ripping, balls-to-the-wall metal sound out of this thing with the gain knob on 4. On anything above 6, it has a totally saturated sick sound that just kills :) Aside from the Mesa Dual Rectifier and the Mesa Mark IV, this is the only other amp head I think I'm ever gonna buy. It sounds really good, especially through a cabinet that has 4 Celestion 30s in it (Marshall 1960, Mesa Rectifier cab, Crate Blue Voodoo vintage, etc.) If you don't believe me, go listen to Van Halen, Dweezil Zappa, or Savatage :)
Laterz,
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.prognosis.com/obscure/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Classic boots Message-ID: <19980706190945.28787.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>
Hi there This may have been mentioned before but what is the general opinion on the best DT boots? What are the classics or must-haves? Also what are the best CD-R compilations? e.g. Prism/Kiss the stone etc.
As for the recent conversations on combos and amps, I would say that for the sake of argument, one particular brand of amp e.g. Mesa boogie is not necessarily better than all the rest. Surely the point here is what sound/tone is wanted at the end. This is a very subjective and a personal perpective for everyone. This also changes as your guitar playing develops. For example Paul Gilbert used to use ADA preamps and Lee Jackson modified amps. Now he uses Laney. I recently met him and asked where was his rack (as he was using a few pedals and Laney heads+cabs) and he said he still had it and used it for recording but at the moment he was happy with the tone of the Laney. Although it is worth bearing in mind that his visit to europe was partly paid for by ibanez and laney, so I guess he has to advertise their product. In my case I use a rack but the principle components are an ADA preamp and a Marshall rack mount valve amp. I had the opportunity to get a tri-axis instead of the ADA but I liked the ADA. My favourite players, Paul Gilbert and Steve Vai both used the ADA and I liked the tone. Five years later I still have both pieces of equipment and they sound great, although admittedly I have some goodies in rack effects to help. Anyway thats my $0.02.
AS for keeping sport off the list, no. I think something where the whole world is involved is relevant especially with all the different nationalities that are on the list. We (everyone on the list) can talk about anything- even making song parodies about irony, aimed at someone who forgot about a not-that-interesting discussion about Mr. Bahr a while back for example. I also agree with Roger (Que onda?) on the football with respect to the fans etc.
Anyway, back to work
Cheers
Simon _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:40:52 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Recommendations (VDGG) Message-ID: <v01540b00b1c6e3403146@[205.134.227.28]>
Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>What's a good starter album for Van Der Graaf Generator?
Start with any album in the 70's
1). Pawn Hearts (71) a must have Robert Fripp is the guest guitarist on this album. You will like a very long song called "A Pleague of Lighthouse Keepers".
2). H to He Who Am the Only One (70) must have Too many good songs, such as house with no door (Deus Ex Machina does the cover of this song in VDGG tribute album by Italian bands), killer, pioneer over C and lost.
3). Still Life (76) Another good one.
4). World Record (76) This album has a song called "Meurglys III" that sounds very much like "Sheep" from Animals by Pink Floyd.
5). Vital (78) (live) I love this live album. It I am correct this album has "Theme One".
6). Godbluff (75) A live album that has "the sleepwalkers".
The Aerosol Grey Machine (68) and The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other (69) are also good.
If you can get the video of VDGG in the 70's era, you will be amazed to see David Jackson plays 2 saxophones at the same time.
Have a good one, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ICQ: #13676703
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:18:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: The Dream Theater Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lemur Voice Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.980706151409.24205A-100000@rossby>
Guys and Gals:
I need to "voice" my opinion in support of Lemur Voice, which is perhaps the most incredible non-DT band, IMO. I stopped by their homepage, and found that they are searching for a new record label, becuase Magna Carta is not interested in them!
Can you believe this, folks?!!
I need to ask if somebody knows the Magna Carta e-mail, so as to set them straight!
Also, is anyone else bothered by this? I think Lemur Voice is one of the best prog bands I've heard, and I can't wait to hear their new material. However, it could be quite a while, if ever, if Magna Carta doesn't come through for us!!
Please distribute the magna carta e-mail over the ytsejam as well, so MANY people can let magna carta know about this critical mistake!!
Let me know what you think.
Thanks, Jon Case jcase@rossby.ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:19:41 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: World Cup? Is that a new kind of superbra? Message-ID: <001401bda91b$6ae8e160$140d84d0@korgx3>
>AS for keeping sport off the list, no. I think something where the >whole world is involved is relevant especially with all the different >nationalities that are on the list.
Bah. Then let's talk about feminine hygeine, too. I mean, there's lots of women on the jam, so I can justify that. Let's find out whether it's better to use pads or tampons with a cardboard applicator. I've personally always been curious as to the best dousche to use for the money. And why is Secret deoderant not intended for use by men?
This is a music mailing list. Maybe if you post some relevant material then say "The Red Wings Rule!" or something at the end of your post, that's cool, but if you wanna talk about sports strictly to the jam, I promise I will rip apart every post you place here, and sent it back to the jam with several different variations of what a slut your mother is.
--KorgX3
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:41:40 -0400 From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Guitar effects Message-ID: <19980706203743.LDYK22716@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hey kids! Thanks to all for your help on the original effects processor question. After hearing all the advice, I went out and bought a pair of EMGs. :) Actually, since I lost my job, I didn't have the $$ to get the processor (the Replifex would have been my choice), so I used my store credit to get an 89 and 81 for my Washburn MG. The stock pickups on it suck, and as it is my backup, I felt I needed a bit more. I got the 89 today, but the 81 is on order. Should be about six weeks. I'm just going to toss the single coil. I never use it and there are pick scrapes all over it, so its obviously hampering my attack. Hope all you Americans had a happy holiday!
Stodge
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:37:47 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: 7 string transcriptions Message-ID: <191a0d29.35a1359c@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/6/98 10:04:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com writes:
> In layman terms, how do you recognize a passage being played in a > 7 string guitar? Could you help, shedding some light? I'm sure that I'm > not the only ignorant here. :-)
Actually, I finid it to be a little tricky sometimes. If your bass player has a 5 or 6 string he can play the root as the guitar player plays the Power Chord (Root, Perfect 5th) with the 5th on the bottom. It won't sound EXACTLY like a 7 string with the root on the bottom - but it can be effective for us with only 6 ........ strings. And add the fact that keys can play some low heavy distorted sounds to further make you question whether or not there is a 7 string (low B string) being played. It is usually harder to distinguish with chords than single note lines. Single note lines are usually a dead give away. You won't even have to pick up your guitar to check sometimes.
Next thing - who cares if Petrucci used a 7 string or not. I haven't listened to it close enough to make a positive statement BUT if JP used a 6 string but you like your low 7 string rendition - then do it with a 7 string.
I do a couple of things different for Dream Theater stuff that I isn't an exact copy of the DT song - but gosh darnit - I like it.
Two examples: (1) The Mirror - it sounds cool to have one 7 string guitar playing the low b5 and one 6 string to play a b5 with the 5th on the bottom. Seems to add nice definition for me - although I doubt Petrucci recorded it this way. (2) PMU - I play the all downstroke power chord section (the part where the vocals cut out and the keys take "lead". I play one guitar with all the power chords and the other one stressing a pulse of hitting every power chord EXCEPT when the snare hits. Try it, you'll like it. I sure as hell do.
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