YTSEJAM digest 4058

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sun Jul 12 1998 - 15:34:40 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) You want an intelligent debate? Read.
     by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057
     by BassGtr82@aol.com
      3) Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden)
     by AEllis1222@aol.com
      4) Chroma Key
     by Wilson <wilsncat@erols.com>
      5) Re: non-prog music
     by Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
      6) intel festival, july 15-18 and diagnosis delicious
     by Thrak75@aol.com
      7) Tourdate Database/August 8th show
     by Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
      8) Re: non-prog music
     by "Bryan Keyser" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
      9) New Fates live CD track listing
     by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
     10) Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden)
     by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
     11) Re: You want an intelligent debate? Read.
     by "Bryan Keyser" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
     12) ...Happpy smile will squash banana... -Lion King
     by "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057
     by subtlerage <subtlera@subtlerage.com>
     14) Re: non prog music
     by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:35:25 -0600
    From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: You want an intelligent debate? Read.
    Message-ID: <002b01bdad91$94aef8c0$210d84d0@korgx3>

    >Mr. KorgX3,

    Called me mister. Nuff respect.

    > I really think you should be thrown off the fucking list the way you
    >feel the need to cuss people out like that. You've made your opinion

    Cuss people out for what? Way off-topic posts? What's the problem with
    that? Someone needs to do it, dammit!

    >Korg post and not said "you know what? He's pretty cool". Maybe I just
    >wasn't paying attention, but you just blew it. We're trying to be nice,

    Sure, I like to post witty comments about DT and try to be cool. Who
    doesn't? But there are times when one has to forego that facade and just go
    off. I felt that was an appropriate moment because I felt that Rogerio went
    way off base with his post. I'll get on to why I felt that way later. I
    knew I was being an asshole when I sent it, but Rog was just really asking
    for it, IMO.

    >civilized human beings, yet it's people like you who create all the
    >rumors out there about the Ytsejam being filled with snobs. I feel like

    What's so snobbish about wanting on-topic conversations? I could care less
    if we talked about John Mellencamp or Weird Al or even Lawrence Welk here.
    At least it's music related. Unless they play Metropolis when Brazil comes
    running onto the field today while 96 French spectators are crushed to death
    because an unintelligent and uncaring mob wants a better view of the game, I
    don't want to hear about it.

    >all of us on the jam are family, and as such we have every right to
    >disagree, but being that much of an asshole is just unexcuseable. Now I

    No, it was all intended to get your attention. A sort of reverse
    psychology. If I had posted an intellectual lecture people would have
    simply skimmed it and discarded it without a thought. I bet alot of people
    liked reading it, though, because it contained filthy language, immature
    bantering, and disgusting references to unorthodox sexual practices. (Hey,
    South Park's making millions off of that, why can't I?)

    > God, I'm 17 and way above your mental capacity.

    There's the assumption of the week. Beat me at Scrabble, and I might
    acknowledge that. :)

    >argue either way because I agree sports don't belong here, even though I
    >feel it unites the jammers in yet another way, and makes us closer.

    Maybe it does unite jammers in some way, but if it does, it is a very SMALL
    percentage of jammers. I mean, it's cool that jammers do find things in
    common with each other, but put your favorite team in your sig or something,
    please. There's no need for you guys to talk about what a stud Ronaldo is
    here. Whenever I see the name Ronaldo it makes me think of a clown in a
    yellow suit with big red shoes accompanied by a menagerie of strange beings
    brought to life by a drug-influenced imagination.

    >Maybe you don't want that. Also, the jam is the only way I hear about
    >half of the games out there.

    http://www.espn.com/ Gee. That was hard to find. Oh, my! Their top story
    for the day is about World Cup Soccer! Wow! What a surprise! (Ack, I just
    overloaded my sarcasm detector)

    >World Cup on here. When you talk like that people don't say "'ya know
    >what, he's right". they just say "What a dick."

    Actually I've received private letters reflecting both. And of course I'm a
    dick. I wouldn't be human otherwise, anyway...

    My biggest reason for the protest is that I hate sports in general. The
    whole principle that (at least in the US) our school's athletic programs
    receive more funding than any educational programs really pisses me off.
    Then people recommend athletes as role models? Most athletes get free rides
    through school. They get bigger scholarships than anyone else could ever
    hope for. They coast through college hoping a talent scout will pick them
    up before they flunk a course and lose their ride. Either way, most never
    complete their "education." Then they get caught doing drugs and catching
    diseases from prostitutes. When they get out of prison/rehab they start
    these big "Don't Do Drugs," "Practice Safe Sex," and "Get An Education"
    campaigns to serve as their community service time and everything's supposed
    to be OK again. Can you say "hypocrisy?" (You'd better be reaching for a
    dictionary because I just got triple points for that word.) Would it be
    wrong at this point for me to call bullshit? I think not.

    And these guys are our kids' role-models when someone like Stephen Hawking
    is unlocking the mysteries of the universe while confined to a wheelchair
    because he's battling Lou Gherig's Disease. Raise your hand if you've even
    heard of the guy. What? So few hands? Maybe it's just me, but I respect a
    guy who can determine the integral of f(y)=2x and explain the results of the
    resultant parabolic curve a little bit more than a guy who can run faster or
    jump higher than me.

    I'm sorry, but I was too late to catch the "I wanna be like Mike" bus 8
    years ago and have been bitter ever since.

    > And La Crosse? It's my favorite sport, and I don't play any sports at

    La Crosse was just an example. That, at least, isn't a bad sport to watch.
    Watching people beat the fuck out of each other with sticks is always fun.

    >all. I don't care at all for most sports. But personally I'd love it if
    >someone would post La Crosse on here, maybe just to piss you off.

    As long as it's at the end of a relevant DT or music related post it
    wouldn't bother me at all. I've said that often enough. There are many
    other places to discuss sports, so there is no reason why it should be done
    here. If you don't like it, then it's up to Skadz to decide. If he decides
    sports are OK, you won't hear another peep out of me. Unless he says
    otherwise though, I'll be all over these sporty people like Michael Jackson
    on a 4 year old until either it stops or I get bored of it. But, all of my
    hateful flames will go through private mail from here on, and they will be
    10 times more luminescent than before. If I get attacked on the jam,
    however, you will be pissing napalm by the time I'm done with you, so, for
    your own health, don't go there. :)

    Nuff bitching about sports...
    --Mr. KorgX3

    P.S. to Stodge the Ytse-Grammar Nazi: I know I ended some sentences with
    prepositions. Sorry, I couldn't get around it. :)

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:59:51 EDT
    From: BassGtr82@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057
    Message-ID: <4e159728.35a8b348@aol.com>

    Fellow Jammers, in response to alternative listening choices in addition to
    prog. Please do yourselves a favor & purchase>> The Rippingtons ( Live in L.A.
    ) !! This is contemporary jazz at it's finest. Every musician on this CD
    compliments the others.They perform with a degree of synchronicity that I
    personally found to be unheard of prior to listening to them.An added bonus,
    no vocals! For those of you who do opt to purchase, head straight for track 6
    ( Highroller), & wait patiently for Kim Stone's bass solo at the midpoint of
    the song !!! You will not be dissapointed !!!
                                                                                  
    Jack Rose

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:44:52 EDT
    From: AEllis1222@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden)
    Message-ID: <275d9092.35a8bdd5@aol.com>

    <<<Sound quality was absofrigginhorrible>>> I was at the first Great Woods
    Ozzfest show, and man was the sound terrible. Most bands were all drums.
    During the shit bands (pre-Limp Bizkit) you really couldn't distinguish a
    thing. It was just a thumping mass of detuned guitar noise. By far the worst
    sound I've ever heard at a profeessional concert. Even Megadeth was piss poor
    soundwise for the first 1/3 of their set.

    Art
    www.joestump.com

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:43:04 -0400
    From: Wilson <wilsncat@erols.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Chroma Key
    Message-ID: <199807121349.JAA25651@smtp2.erols.com>

    >before, definitely not DT and not prog at all, but it's still Kevin, so
    >the talent didn't go away - it just transformed to something else... the
    >singing is not-so-good

                    I kinda like his singing...for once I can actually sing along
            in key to a CD! :)

                    If you haven't picked it up yet, do so.

                                                            Kevin (WilsonCat)

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:55:35 +0200
    From: Paal Birger Solhaug <paalbs@online.no>
    To: YTSEJAM mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: non-prog music
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980712135535.00692d6c@online.no>

    Hey fellow jammers!
    Kinda liked this thread, so here are my list of non-prog bands:

    -Extreme (actually my favourite band)
    -Manowar
    -Gamma Ray
    -Helloween (with Michael Kiske on vocals)
    -Rhapsody
    -Stratovarius
    -Fight
    -Judas Priest (NOT the latest album!)
    -Virgin Steele
    -Metallica (old AND new!)
    -Pantera (old)
    -Ozzy Osbourne
    -Overkill
    -AC/DC=20
    -Steve Vai
    -Joe Satriani
    -Stevie Ray Vaughan
    -Ian Moore
    -Dire Straits
    -ZZ Top
    -Blues Brothers Band

    and no, NOT Blind Guardian!

    Here are my list of top 5 prog bands as well:

    1. Dream Theater
    2. Ayreon
    3. Symphony X
    4. Fates Warning
    5. Shadow Gallery

    Well, that's my take on this topic.

    Carpe Diem

    P=E5l Birger=20
    =20

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    * Tears of sorrow wash his mind *
    * Drifting with the current *
    * This stream of life goes on-+ *
    * *
    * +-Dream Theater *=20
    * Lifting Shadows off a Dream-+ *
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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:36:11 EDT
    From: Thrak75@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: intel festival, july 15-18 and diagnosis delicious
    Message-ID: <c6f743b8.35a8c9dc@aol.com>

    to the guy who asked, if you want to find out who's playing, go to
    www.intelfest.com. they have a list- they're like 300 or so bands in about 20
    clubs. chances are, unless you're reeeeally keen on the nyc scene, you may not
    know a lot of these bands. it's still a worthwhile experience, i think.

    re: mortorro
    yeah, someone else once told me he was like some hs science teacher or
    something. he's based in florida, i believe (correct if i'm wrong).

    re: non-prog
    anyone else here dig the meters?

    wild koba (sig-less or in the nude)

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:12 -0700
    From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Tourdate Database/August 8th show
    Message-ID: <35A8FC7C.847@idt.net>

    > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:53:52 -0400
    > From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
    > To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    > Subject: Dream Theater Trading Post web site
    > Message-ID: <717B37282A06D2119390006008A18E060218EA@GLENLEVIT>
    >
    > Ok, I wasn't going to mention anything about this until it was
    > complete, but here it goes:
    >
    > I'm currently working with Mike Portnoy, Scott Hansen, and Chris Merlo
    > on creating the Dream Theater Trading Post / Set List Project web site.

    Snip...

    > Until then,
    > Nick Bogovich

    Nick,
      Umm....You COULD have mentioned it to ME!!!!!!!! Oh well, since we
    have a sanctioned DT trading site, there's no need to finish mine. If
    you need any of my info, feel free to take it off my site or ask me, I've
    got a bunch of stuff I amassed that never got entered.
      On a side note, anyone going to the August 8th show in Hartford, CT?
    It'd be kinda kewl to meet some fellow 'Jammers' before/after the show.

    Thanks,
    John DiBella
    President/Xanadu Records
    http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html

    Dream Theater Tourdate Archive
    http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html

    * Be EXCELLENT to each other! *

    Bill S. Preston, Esq.

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:36:44 -0400
    From: "Bryan Keyser" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: non-prog music
    Message-ID: <004c01bdadaa$e044e920$1519efce@KezWork>

    >
    >hey ye all jammers,
    >
    >I'm wondering what you jammers listen to besides prog rock (yes, early
    >genesis, elp, marillion, rush, pink floyd, king crimson, gentle giant, et
    >al) and prog metal (dt, fates warning, savatage, etc). This could include
    >"normal" classic rock (Hendrix, Cream, Zeppelin), "normal" metal of any
    >type, proficient or not, (Metallica, Judas Priest), and anything else. So,
    >basically, I'm asking for anything not in the "progressive" category.
    >

    OK, since you asked:

    Rush(falls under classic as well as prog, I guess)
    Triumph
    Pat Travers
    LTE(is this really prog?)
    Michael Schenker(solo, UFO, MSG, early Scorps)
    Eric Johnson
    AC/DC
    ASIA
    Extreme
    Hootie and the Blowfish(yup, that's right)
    Kansas(see Rush above)
    Joe Jackson
    Shooting Star
    Y&T
    Dokken

    All this, when I'm NOT listening to DT, that is.

    Rock,
    Kez

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:43:20 -0400
    From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: New Fates live CD track listing
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980712154320.006935e8@pop.pipeline.com>

    This is info straight from Brian Slagel:

    Subject: Live album

    Still Life will be released on October 5. Here is the track listing

    CD one
    APSOG (51:55)

    CD two

    Ivory Gate of Dreams (20:53)
    The Eleventh Hour (8:14)
    Point of View (4:33)
    Monument (6:46)
    At Fates Hands (6:47)
    Prelude to Ruin (3:39)
    We only Say Goodbye (4:40)

    bonus track for Japan "In Trance"

    Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>

    Detroit Red Wings 1996-97, 1997-98 Stanley Cup Champions

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:52:07 -0500 (EST)
    From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden)
    Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980712114842.543461924B-100000@drew.edu>

    On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Lobsterback wrote:

    > Also, I've liked what I heard of Tool's studio albums...but live, they
    > plain suck. I've seen lichen put on more interesting stage-shows. Nobody
    > moved around (aside from taking their shirts off) and most of the band just
    > looked at their feet. Everything sounded *exactly* like the album version
    > (on bad speakers -- damn those soundmen). Boooooring. I actually walked
    > out on the band, an honor only Pantera'd (bleh) earned before...

    You've just described what it was like to see Dream Theater when Kevin
    Moore was in the band. (well, except the part about them looking at their
    feet).

    Brandon

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:59:05 -0400
    From: "Bryan Keyser" <kez@spectrum-internet.com>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: You want an intelligent debate? Read.
    Message-ID: <008301bdadad$ff5749e0$1519efce@KezWork>

    -----Original Message-----
    ]From: KorgX3 <korgx3@safelink.net>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:53 AM
    Subject: You want an intelligent debate? Read.

    <snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip(gonna need to sharpen my
    scissors), snip, snip>

    >Nuff bitching about sports...
    >--Mr. KorgX3
    >
    >P.S. to Stodge the Ytse-Grammar Nazi: I know I ended some sentences with
    >prepositions. Sorry, I couldn't get around it. :)
    >
    >

    Dear Mister Korg,

    If your going to pass yourself off as intelligent, those end of sentence
    prepositions HAVE to go. :~)

    Oh, by the way, nice response. You DO seem to have more going for you than
    a sick, sarcastic nature.

    Now go change the world, will ya'?
    It could use it.

    Kez

    P.S. I agree with your reasons for disliking sports, but I'm a sucker for
    competition, so I do not share your ability to resist the media and cultural
                onslaught. Go Redskins! <<<<<<< and I'm politically incorrect
    to boot :)

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:35 PDT
    From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: ...Happpy smile will squash banana... -Lion King
    Message-ID: <19980712183436.27579.qmail@hotmail.com>

    Here's my non-prog list:

    KMFDM
    Depeche Mode
    The Cranberries
    Ozzy
    Metallica '84-'88
    Heart
    The Fixx
    Save Ferris (hate-mail me, I deserve it)
    Other '80s rock/alt. bands I can't think of right now.

    Ya know, most bands I listen to are prog-SOMETHING.
    Styx are prog, Faith No More are prog, and all my *favorite* bands are
    all prog. The first 3 in my n/prog list are some of my favorites, but
    the other stuff is just stuff I listen to. Isn't Steve Vai prog? He's
    not really one of my favourites, but I do like PaW.
       True Dreamers 3 coming soon
    -maX

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:58:12 -0400 (EDT)
    From: subtlerage <subtlera@subtlerage.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980712145645.24231A-100000@godzilla.darkorb.net>

    :From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com>
    :
    :Mr. KorgX3,
    : I really think you should be thrown off the fucking list the way you
    :feel the need to cuss people out like that. You've made your opinion
    :known, now shut the Hell up.

    Mr. Max Amundo,

    In the infamous words of some other jammer whose name eludes me at the
    moment...

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    _______________________________________________________________________
     Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com
        subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
           Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244

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    Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:58:56 -0500
    From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: non prog music
    Message-ID: <35A9076F.7E81DAAE@ix.netcom.com>

    > hey ye all jammers,
    >
    > I'm wondering what you jammers listen to besides prog rock
    >

    metallica
    megadeth
    motorhead
    mercyful fate
    king diamond
    sepultura
    iced earth
    nevermore
    dr. butcher
    edge of sanity
    opeth
    ac/dc
    aerosmith
    gwar
    santana
    black sabbath
    ozzy osbourne
    type o negative
    white zombie
    death
    at the gates
    primus
    incubus
    queensryche
    lots more

    Justin James
    jsj@ix.netcom.com

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