YTSEJAM Digest 4081
Today's Topics:
1) Prog in Previews; Piano-playing
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
2) Prog in Previews; Piano-playing
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
3) Re: Double slimline cases at 70 cents at computer city
by AEllis1222@aol.com
4) What is it about DT?
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Re: wow, record posting number for me
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
6) Re: What is it about DT?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
7) prog month
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
8) Re: A Blessing from the Gods
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
9) break up?
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
10) Re: A Blessing from the Gods
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
11) Re: Rippin' off
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
12) New Orleans
by Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com>
13) various things
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
14) Re: wow, record posting number for me
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) help requested
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
16) Re: A Blessing from the Gods
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:55:36 -0400
From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog in Previews; Piano-playing
Message-ID: <19980719015157.DRAR7061@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Wierd things are happening in Hollywood. Last week, I see a preview for
"The Waterboy" with Adam Sandler, and Rush's "Tom Sawyer" plays throughout.
This week, I go to see "The Opposite of Sex" and they have a preview for a
movie called "Buffalo 66". From start to finish of the preview "Heart of
the Sunrise" is the music: no dialogue or anything. Hollywood has gone
prog...<g>
On Sting's BotN:
>The piano is some of the best I've ever heard.
>If folks out there are looking are for some good
>Jazz/Pop piano playing, this is the place to look.
Check out Kenny Kirkland and the inimitable Tain Watts on Kenny Garrett's
latest "Songbook". Great jazz. Woof.
Stodgers
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:55:36 -0400
From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog in Previews; Piano-playing
Message-ID: <19980719015300.DRLO7061@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Wierd things are happening in Hollywood. Last week, I see a preview for
"The Waterboy" with Adam Sandler, and Rush's "Tom Sawyer" plays throughout.
This week, I go to see "The Opposite of Sex" and they have a preview for a
movie called "Buffalo 66". From start to finish of the preview "Heart of
the Sunrise" is the music: no dialogue or anything. Hollywood has gone
prog...<g>
On Sting's BotN:
>The piano is some of the best I've ever heard.
>If folks out there are looking are for some good
>Jazz/Pop piano playing, this is the place to look.
Check out Kenny Kirkland and the inimitable Tain Watts on Kenny Garrett's
latest "Songbook". Great jazz. Woof.
Stodgers
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:30:34 EDT
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com, durnik@goodnet.com
Subject: Re: Double slimline cases at 70 cents at computer city
Message-ID: <878eae9e.35b15a4b@aol.com>
<<<The Stream liners are NOT, as was posted, formatted for
chubby. The cover is 4.73" x 4.7" just like a standard cover inlay would
be. >>>
hmm, now that I think about it, the slimline case I tried was from a Fish
Import CD, could be the case. But the rear tray card does fit *perfectly* in
a double chubby. And for the bmp's being posted, thats true, they would be
awfully large. It was worth a shot. But either way, great CD, Mike, you'll
continue to get my business.
~~Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:55:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What is it about DT?
Message-ID: <199807190255.WAA20479@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> I mean, they hold something so powerful and special that very few other
> bands tap into. These sdays, there are a lot of DT clones out there and
> not many (if any of them) mix the things DT does and come out with a
> formula for near perfect music. I will begin by telling why I think DT
..
> I say it is three aspects.
..
> 1. Originality- Dt came to us at a time when music was runing bland for
> 2. Emotion- I read a post where someone mention people complain that
> 3. Technical skills- you listen to DT for the first time and you say
I agree with all these things, and in a perfect world these would be THE
reasons why DT was the ONLY high-profile prog-metal band.
However <and I'm going to play devil's advocate here> this is NOT a
perfect world and most people don't listen closely enough to distinguish
DT from "just another hair band." Because of this, there are a few more
reasons why DT is badass and other prog wannabes are just bad.
1.) James fucking LaBrie. Listen to the man's voice. Outside of
classical singers, there is no singer ANYWHERE with a voice with harmonic
content as rich as James's. His voice is huge--it's like a weapon
that not even he can control when he opens his mouth. Partials all over
the place. His voice was created to be recorded. He was meant to be heard
on the radio. With different management, he could have been marketed like
a George Michael.
2.) LOOK at them. I'm not gay or some kinda hootenanny <not that there's
anything wrong with that>, but these guys are cute. What teenage metal
chick could resist John Petrucci and Kevin Moore in that Take The Time
video? Derek isn't a bad looking guy for that matter. James has nice
eyes no matter what his hair or 'stache are doing. <Just kidding, James!>
Mike Portnoy is an all-American, beer-drinking, fight-watching guy
with whom anyone can identify. Throw in a John Myung to keep it
politically correct. Metal or not, these guys are A&R gold. And speaking
of which...
3.) These guys were found by a major label that would offer them SOME
<not a lot, mind you> support, and one that knew how to market them. We
heard about all the other great non-DT music through DT, because DT was on
the MTV or the radio EVEN THOUGH WE SAY WE DON'T WATCH IT OR LISTEN TO IT.
Suprising what sinks in and what goes in one ear and out the other.
I know it doesn't give the band much credit, and it doesn't make me feel
any better either, but this is probably how it happened. I do, however,
give the band credit for their sticktoitiveness :) in not giving up. They
EARNED all the success they've acheived and more.
All you die hards who say "yeah, well i've been with them since they were
majesty and i don't need mtv to tell me how gret DT is" need not flame
because you're in the minority, believe me.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:07:55 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: wow, record posting number for me
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980718234552.29154A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Just a remark: I re-read this post and it may sound like a flame.
Let me explicitly state here that it's *NOT* a flame and wasn't intented
to be one. Sorry, but my limitations in expressing myself in another
language are quite disappointing. Now, to the post:
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Deedlit wrote:
> Yes it's me AGAIN...that annoying, stupid chick.
No. Chicks are never stupid, nor annoying. At most, they are
slightly misinformed. :-)
> Anyway, I was wondering what you all would think about some multimedia
> stuff on a DT album.... You see, I know some of the fans have talents
> in the multimedia area, and I was wondering if we all compilated or even
> gave the job to one person, if DT would accept a multimedia presentation
> on an upcoming disc...I mean, hell, we all know the fans would do it for
> free....
Perhaps I'm a "defective" computer science student :-), but I
really don't care for those multimedia presentations. And I dislike even
more the fact that if the CD had multimedia, then it would have three
major drawbacks:
* the multimedia presentations would be designed for windows and
not everybody has windows running on his/her computers;
* the multimedia presentations wouldn't be playable all the time
-- only when you have a computer with all the bells and whistles installed
-- so you won't be able to play the multimedia using your Discman or your
main stereo, which limitates the fun;
* I'd love to get more music instead of having the multimedia
track. BTW, just to put a filesystem on the CD, that is, to make a mixed
mode CD, with both audio and video, you'd be wasting a lot of precious
space (required to "separate" the portions of the disc).
Some of the arguments above are a bit subjective, but at least the
first two are objective. Now for a completely subjective argument: I
really can't see what's the point in having a CD with multimedia. Just to
have the ego fulfilled with the thought: "Ah, my computer can play these
things" or to show your friends?
I have on Emperor CD with two extra tracks ("Anthems to the
Welking at Dusk", the Century Media release -- yes, Emperor is that band
which only plays noisy things, but that I happen to like :-) ). Besides
the extra tracks, it also has the video to the song "The Loss and Curse of
Reverence". I'm honest to say that I only watched the video 5 or 6 times.
After playing the video that amount of times, I thought: "Am I silly or
what? Using a computer that could be searching for the next Mersenne
primes just to play that video." Well, you get the idea. Most multimedia
presentations are just reinventing the wheel: a video would be more
welcome (and would certainly require less power from our computers), could
be longer and with higher quality...
As I said earlier, this last paragraph is a bit subjective, but I
expect you will see where I'm coming from. After all, it's just
philosophy.
I'd appreciate any comments.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:12:53 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: What is it about DT? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980719001145.29154B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> Mike Portnoy is an all-American, beer-drinking, fight-watching guy > with whom anyone can identify.
Of course, Steve... :-) Especially the "all-American" part. :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:50:25 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: prog month Message-ID: <01bdb2c8$5ce5a880$2526c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
<quote> <<7)Rush's 3CD live album will be released in October. 2CD's will include stuff from the last 2 tours and the 3rd CD will include live stuff from the "Farwell To The Kings Tour 1978".>> Holy SHit! Not only is DT's double live album going to be released in October, Rush's TRIPLE live album is too??!?!?! October shall be a great month for prog fans :-) :-) :-) </quote>
I think October is gonna be Wet Dream Month with all this live shit floating around! Hey, maybe DT and Rush should conspire to release their albums on the same day. That way, not only will I splooge in my shorts, but I'll probably have a heart attack!
At the least, I won't be able to do my homework!
I know, I think Geddy and Alex should release an album with Mike on drums while Neil's out of the picture.... Except who would would write the lyrics? They could release that album on the same day too, and maybe have the Pink Floyd-Roger Waters reunion album, the Fish rejoins Marillion and kicks H's ass ten CD box set of new music, and the Metallica regains some balls and starts playing GOOD stuff again album all released on the same day also. That way, not only will there be splooge in my shorts and a coronary, but I think I'll start uncontrollably leaking every other bodily fluid while convulsing on the ground biting my tongue and yelling "11/16 time signature" uncontrollably over and over.
Hey, if I have to die, I'd rather die while listening to something like that.
Then again, I'd rather die while having sex with <name deleted>, but that's not for this G-rated mailing list.
NP: Fish "Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors" NP: Neil Peart? Where?
ciao,
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com Subdivisions (Rush): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ Coming soon Fidra (Marillion): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bwsmith/fidra/
"Out for my own, out to be free One with my mind, they just can't see No need to hear things that they say Life is for my own to live my own way See them try to bring the hammer down No damn chains can hold me to the ground." -Metallica
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A Blessing from the Gods Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980718235601.545288269A-100000@drew.edu>
> Holy SHit! Not only is DT's double live album going to be released in October, > Rush's TRIPLE live album is too??!?!?! October shall be a great month for > prog fans :-) :-) :-)
As well as the double live album from Fates Warning and the new studio album from King's X. Plus the fact that I'm seeing KX your with Fates and the Galactic Cowboys on Ocotber 8th.
Yes, I think October will be one of the best months of the year. :)
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:55:16 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: break up? Message-ID: <01bdb2c9$0a3ecb60$2526c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
<quote> I just read from a finnish mag that DT had a fight at a hotel in Finland and that they might be breaking up. It said something about Derek and John M. and their project. If you're reading this Mike please mail the jam and let us know what's happening or is this just the press making things up ? Also a funny thing happened to me one day, I was walking this street and passed a car with the license plate "Lie" and kept walking when I saw this motorcycle that said "Majesty" on it.. kinda funny I thought. </quote>
Hmm........ isn't that almost EXACTLY what happened to the Spice Girls? They had a fight in a Helsinki hotel and then Ginger left. Bands, never go to Finland! It's bad luck!
Wait! I'm half Finnish....
Wait! It's GOOD the Spice Girls broke up!
Wait! I hope this is false!
QUICK!!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com Subdivisions (Rush): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ Coming soon Fidra (Marillion): http://www.azstarnet.com/~bwsmith/fidra/
(you already saw my sig)
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Blessing from the Gods Message-ID: <199807190448.AAA16956@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in belhai's basement typed:
> album from King's X. Plus the fact that I'm seeing KX your with Fates and > the Galactic Cowboys on Ocotber 8th.
Whoa! Where??? Anyone have all the dates for this tour?
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: Ernesto Lotitto <ernestlot@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Rippin' off Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980719011416.19389A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Ernesto Lotitto wrote:
> Hi again!!! > I just noticed how cool Christian P Kremo's signature is (-C#), and I > figured out I can do the same thing, only mine would be a non-existing > note (yes, it is a such rip-off, but what the hell, I like the idea!). > Christian, I hope I count with your approval. ;) > > -E#
Hey go for it. Tis a free country. I only chose it cuz it's my favorite key, a beautiful key that reminds of my days in South Pacific with 100 bikini clad women flirting with me...er maybe that wasn't me after all. DTC for the day: They're a really cool band. And those crunchy NM chords are C#. There you go.
-C# (but not a member of the Be-Sharps) the original
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:02:41 -0500 From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Orleans Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980719020241.00824290@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
hey guys...I wont be posting/resdint the list for a week (for those who care) IM taking a bus tomorrow to houston, then Im taking a train (amtrak) to new orleans, Ive never been there and Im going in kind of a back pack trip with a friend, does anyone knows some cool places to go in new orleans? places with cool music or stuff to have fun? Im 19 so Im underage and my friend is too.... let me know any suggestions...Im leaving monterrey tomorrow 9 PM (texas time) so any suggestion before 8 would be great...
thanks a lot
--- MP3 of the week - "Staying Alive" the Bee Gees cover with Ozzy on vocals, Dweezil on Guitars, guest solos by Nuno, Steve Lukather and Zakk Wylde: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2025/
Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: alan_estrada@bigfoot.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:46:47 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various things Message-ID: <35B23F17.4570@fh-niederrhein.de>
I've wrote :
<<7)Rush's 3CD live album will be released in October. 2CD's will include stuff from the last 2 tours and the 3rd CD will include live stuff from the "Farwell To The Kings Tour 1978".>>
Matt wrote :
>Holy SHit! Not only is DT's double live album going to be released in October, >Rush's TRIPLE live album is too??!?!?! October shall be a great month for >prog fans :-) :-) :-)
Hey, you've forgot Fates Warning's double live album "Still Life" which also will be released in October too.
- Yngwie Malmsteen will release a new live album in October/November :-))
- Also Savatage will release a DOUBLE LIVE ALBUM later this year along with a live video.
- Royal Hunt have just released "PARADOX LIVE" in Japan. The limited edition box includes also a live video of their incredible Paradox tour. Is there anyone from Japan who have more information about this box ?
Mark Metzger wrote :
>I have no idea why it is not said more often that the most recent >version of AH/TKH is one of the most amazing things that DT has ever >done. This song typifies what makes DT great. Different textures, >different tempos, a great new bluesy section, creative lyrics and an >opportunity for JP to sick-schred. Take a great song and make it >better.
Well, this is exactly my opinion.
In the new bluesy section, you can hear Savatage's (trans.. Orchestra) "Christmas Eve".
I've also noticed that the riff in "Just Let Me Breathe" is like Steve Vai's riff in "Still My Bleeding Heart" ! Check it out.
Btw, don't forget to visit my Prog Or Die page for the new "prog guide" section. If you know band's which I've forgot please email me.
Thank you to all the jammers who have emailed me allready.
NP : Chroma Key - Dead Air For Radios ("On The Page" is incredible)
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:25:40 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: wow, record posting number for me Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980719122540.006b4330@mail.clemson.edu>
> Yes it's me AGAIN...that annoying, stupid chick. Anyway, I was wondering >what you all would think about some multimedia stuff on a DT album.... You
that might work, but remember - any space used for multimedia is not used for audio. With your typical pop band, that's fine, cuz they usually use like 45 minutes of the CD for audio anyway. But DT tends to pack their CDs to the gills, so if you put a multimedia thing on there it'd mean losing music - like maybe 10 minutes worth, depending on how big the multimedia is. Moo.
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:36:51 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: help requested Message-ID: <01bdb333$6eaedee0$528535d4@schnipp>
Hi, I have the opportunity to go to the US for a year: Au-pair and have some questions . Music and computer technics and living of course. Anybody who volunteers?? Mail me privately and sorry for NDTC schnipp
Gather ye rosebuds while ye may +++ old time is still a flying the same flower that smiles today +++ tomorrow will be dying A change of seasons,DT; poem by Robert Herrick
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: A Blessing from the Gods Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980719131849.545297654B-100000@drew.edu>
> > album from King's X. Plus the fact that I'm seeing KX your with Fates and > > the Galactic Cowboys on Ocotber 8th. > > Whoa! Where??? Anyone have all the dates for this tour?
I don't think there are any set dates yet, but the Jaxx Night Club <http://www.jaxxrox.com> has it listed for October 8th. I think that's the only date set so far.
Brandon
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