YTSEJAM Digest 4080
Today's Topics:
1)
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
2) Re: NEWS ! (Spock's Beard)
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
3) A Blessing from the Gods
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
4) Misc. Ramblings
by "David A. Bryan" <bryan@CS.WM.EDU>
5) re: what is it about DT?????
by META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
6) The Killing Hand
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
7) An Open Question...
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
8) Angra "Fireworks" track list and info
by "OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS" <kingofswing@hol.fr>
9) Re: what is it about DT?????
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
10) Derek and John M. out of DT ??
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
11) Double slimline cases at 70 cents at computer city
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4079
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4079
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
14) New versions: Dream Theater and Kevin Moore Song Books.
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
15) wow, record posting number for me
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:53:35 -0400
From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980718135335.006a1988@scott.skidmore.edu>
Sorry about this, gang. I was requested, as the editor of this set of
ideas, to post to the jam, since it's freaking hillarious!!!! :)
< Thanatos > If you have to order it from the web cause you cant find it
in stores...it might be a prog song
< justdan > if people look at you like you are growing an extra body part
when you mention the name of the song, it might be a prog song
< Genghis > or, if the dork at blockbuster music looks at you like you
just asked him what is the meaning of life...it might be a prog song
< justdan > if you have to go to a hot sweaty bar and travel 300 hundred
miles just to hear it live...it might be a prog song
< Thanatos > If the group needs a petition in order to get an album
released, they may be a prog band
< SrValasco > if you hear someone playing it over a crappy realaudio
broadcast in the middle of the night to an audience of 3 people, it might
be a prog song
< Genghis > if nobody's ever heard of them, but they're revered as "gods"
in Japan...it might be a prog song
< Genghis > if eMpTyV pretends they don't exist...it might be a prog song
[ Deedlit ] if the band's name has an X in it, it might be a prog song
< Coldfire > if you can't understand any meaning in the lyrics and fight
with others about it....it might be a prog song
< SrValasco > if the bass guitar has more strings than the lead guitar,
it might be a prog song
< Genghis > If you get cramps on your hands from air guitaring while
listening to the same part of the songs over and over...it might be a prog
song
< Coldfire > if your band has a mailing list that dissects every note of
every song...you might be a prog band
TONS MORE: http://deedlit.anomeonline.org/prog.txt
(soon to be a real web page)
Erica
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:20:59 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NEWS ! (Spock's Beard)
Message-ID: <35B0E78A.4F481FAB@pacbell.net>
Arash Ashouriha wrote:
>
> 2)Enchant and Spock's Beard will hit the road in Europe around october.
> Check out Spock's Beard's site for the tour dates.
>
> 3)Spock's Beard will release their new album in January 1999.
<plug>
Actually, check out the Spock's Beard Thoughts Mailing List website for
this information... the ehem, "official" site doesn't seem to get
updated very often, and doesn't have this information.
Thoughts Homepage - http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard
</plug>
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:29:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Blessing from the Gods
Message-ID: <1998718142653741@ix.netcom.com>
<<7)Rush's 3CD live album will be released in October.
2CD's will include stuff from the last 2 tours and the 3rd CD will include live stuff
from the "Farwell To The Kings Tour 1978".>>
Holy SHit! Not only is DT's double live album going to be released in October,
Rush's TRIPLE live album is too??!?!?! October shall be a great month for
prog fans :-) :-) :-)
Matt
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| "A daily dose of eMpTyV |
| will flush your mind |
| right down the drain." |
| |
| - Mike Portnoy |
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:40:38 -0400
From: "David A. Bryan" <bryan@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Misc. Ramblings
Message-ID: <199807181840.OAA18202@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
Just wanted to add my own .02 to some of the latest threads...
> BUT the all time greatest live album, hands-down: Sting,
> "Bring on the Night". No disputing this will be accepted. Anyone who
> owns this?
I'll agree with that one. The piano is some of the best I've ever
heard. If folks out there are looking are for some good Jazz/Pop
piano playing, this is the place to look. Kinda makes you wish DT
would lug a baby grand around on tour :)
On the whole datamining thread. Sounds like a good strategy to get DT
into the press. I think worries about them becoming too mainstream
are a bit unfounded -- like thats going to happen! But a bit of press
would be a good thing -- if we can reach just one fan, yadda yadda
yadda... Now who can find out if the retailers are really using this
technique?
Oh, and as far as this post in response to the data mining issue:
> Oh my God!! This is actually brilliant. This must be what happens when
> you start paying attention in class :)
]From personal observations I can assure you that D-Man does not, in
fact, pay attention in class. He probably came up with this while
watching some conspiracy theory TV show or something...
--Dave
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400
From: META SECTION <meta@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: what is it about DT?????
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To: meta@dreamt.org
Subject: Re: what is it about DT?????
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Hey Jammers,
I absolutely loved the post about the Meta Section of DT.
Just to let you know, I heard about DT from a guy I used to be in a
band with. He played a MICRO sample for me the summer of 1993. Then I
got the Guitar-for-the-practicing-musician with TTT in it. This prompted
me to go and buy IMAGES&WORDS. I listened to TTT while watching the
transcription go by. I was totally blown away....
Needless to say, I was a DT fan from then on. Plus, I totally agree
with the over-the-top emotional aspect of DT. There's so much you could
spoon it right out of the CD case.
Originality, Musicianship, Songs topping the 10-12 minute mark(without
losing the listener's attention)... it's all there.
Just my $0.02.
POJ =)
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:13:52 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Killing Hand
Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF021FA55@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
I have no idea why it is not said more often that the most recent
version of AH/TKH is one of the most amazing things that DT has ever
done. This song typifies what makes DT great. Different textures,
different tempos, a great new bluesy section, creative lyrics and an
opportunity for JP to sick-schred. Take a great song and make it
better.
THIS CAN'T BE RETIRED !!!!!!!!
This is a personal PLEA to MP to throw this one on the setlist at
Hampton Beach !!
Later,
EmperorofDarkness@killisaac.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Love-In)
Subject: An Open Question...
Message-ID: <199807182018.QAA13127@optical.mindstorm.com>
Just wondering about something... I just got Anthrax's new album,
"Volume 8 - The Threat Is Real." Total kick-ass album. They're back.
Anyway, if you're like me, you were upset when Anthrax ditched their
famous logo for the modern, 90s looking thing on the cover of "Stomp
442." Well, they brought back the fan favorite for this album (and
Notman!!!), and it got me thinking... Now that OFB has experimented
with a new logo, will they be going back to the cherished style of
yore with OIAL?
Inquiring minds want to know... :)
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:32:21 +0200
From: "OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS" <kingofswing@hol.fr>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Angra "Fireworks" track list and info
Message-ID: <000301bdb28b$4123b7a0$9e219ac3@mr.mouro>
Hello Jammers,
This is Felix and Volodya here, hanging out, drinking beer, listening to
cool music and preparing to ship the last dozen of Savatage Aod CDs.
Anyway, this message is about the preliminary track-list of the new Angra
album which we have received today (the track list, not the album,
unfortunately :)). There it goes:
- fireworks
- lisbon (first single, out 7/4/98)
- metal icarus (sounds cool, doesn' it!!!!)
- paradise
- gentle change
- petrified eyes
- speed
- extreme dream
- rainy nights (most likely to be the second single, and according to Andre
Matos is an Angra POP song (what?!!!!!!!))
- mystery machine (a likely bonus track on the Japanese pressing)
They played "fireworks" and "gentle change" during a Carolina the 4th
gig in Paris in April, and we've got "speed" blasting from our stereo right
now. For everyone who might have been disappointed with a rather
radio-friendly, soft sound of "lisbon", this one is for YOU. "Speed" is pure
angels-cry Angra with a riff to die for and a pretty complicated song
structure with multiple tempo changes, solos etc (the song clocks in at 6
minutes). More details as we have them.
Take care and keep on rocking,
Felix and Volodya.
OPEN ALL NIGHT (OAN) RECORDS
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:44 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: what is it about DT?????
Message-ID: <v01510100b1d6afc2441d@[194.7.245.225]>
On last night's episode, someone wrote:
>Now here on the Jam, we probabely discuss about 300 different bands a
>week. many of which are prog or prog metal. And there is no group that
>everyone can agree on here besides DT. Now I know this is the DREAM
>THEATER mailing list but DT is the most high profile progmetal/prog band
>out there. I have been rediscovering DT myself these past few days (I
>go through this kinda thing about once every 4 months) and I think it
>would be cool if we started a thread about what is so special about DT.
>I mean, they hold something so powerful and special that very few other
>bands tap into. These sdays, there are a lot of DT clones out there and
>not many (if any of them) mix the things DT does and come out with a
>formula for near perfect music. I will begin by telling why I think DT
>has gotten the attention they have.
>
>I say it is three aspects.
>
>1. Originality- Dt came to us at a time when music was runing bland for
>many people. i dunno about other people but back in 92 I&W screamed at
>me as something that new and different that nobody else was touching
>on. I heard PMU and that was it, game over, I am branded for life
Cool ! Same thing happened to me, I was just getting so bored with everything
being grungey, it made me sick. Then the guy that worked in the record store
I usually go to tells me to listen to DT. PMU kicks in and I'm hooked. Man, what
an impact ! I'd never heard anything like that before. I think it didn't
leave my
CD player for about a month. This was the kind of music I'd been waiting for!
>2. Emotion- I read a post where someone mention people complain that
>DT LACKS EMOTION? please. They soar with emotion. I mean their use of
Really? I must have missed that!
>tension and resolve with time signitures is unparralleled. I listen to
>learning to live and I cry. Their music encompasses any emotion anyone
>can imagine feeling. EMOTION ALL THE WAY BABY
Tell me about it, I still get goosebumps when I hear WFS, or Scarred.
Scary stuff !!! :-)
>3. Technical skills- you listen to DT for the first time and you say
>wtf are they doing? How can anyone think of that??? They have the
>skills and the minds to create truly unique music that just tickles your
>music taste buds.
True again, not to mention a truly unique sound.
>
>these things define Dream Theater as more like a drug rather than a
>band. Anything that would have me fly from Boston to Texas under the
>quise that I was visiting my Girlfriend when in fact I was going to see
>DT is way too adictive. I mean, it's crazy man. anyway, there is my
>opinion. I hope to hear other people's opinion of why DT stands out
>above the rest in their genre
Lying to go and see DT? Naughty boy! :-)
>--
>
> - Layne
FiveNgroK
"... I know, I know, I should be dragged into the courtyard and stoned ...
..but then again, maybe I already am ..."
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:06:31 +0300
From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek and John M. out of DT ??
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980718210631.00682104@jone68-2.pop.sci.fi>
I just read from a finnish mag that DT had a fight at a hotel
in Finland and that they might be breaking up. It said
something about Derek and John M. and their project.
If you're reading this Mike please mail the jam and let us know
what's happening or is this just the press making things up ?
Also a funny thing happened to me one day, I was walking this
street and passed a car with the license plate "Lie" and kept
walking when I saw this motorcycle that said "Majesty" on it..
kinda funny I thought.
Satu
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:43:46 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Double slimline cases at 70 cents at computer city
Message-ID: <35B11712.281C@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
I need this... there are no computer city stores in Arizona... do they
accept mail order? Whoever posted that price might have solved the
jewelcase problem!!! I usually was getting them for 55 to 60 cents from
suppliers, but 70 cents is fine... even in quantity that doesn't add up
to that much of an increase. I could get them for $2 each at Tower
Records here in Mesa, but obviously that's just over the line.
The liners are formatted for double-slimline jewelcases and have both
side flanges so they'll fit ones that open-right or open-left inside. I
made it as option-friendly as possible, truly. If I couldn't cut 'em in
advance I made sure to at least make them so you could cut them to fit
any type of case. Remember, there are even some double-slimline cases
with strange hinge-ing, mostly seen in Europe, that require a different
cut altogether. The Stream liners are NOT, as was posted, formatted for
chubby. The cover is 4.73" x 4.7" just like a standard cover inlay would
be. For triple chubby, the cover needs to be 5.97" x 4.63" and have side
flanges, a la the newer revision of the cover to Virtual Songs (not seen
on my site, but it's what you'd get if you ordered it).
I'd post the images up for download, but they're about 50 megs each,
and even JPG-ized they're around 10 to 11 megs total per disc, because
most of these images are true physical size, 24-bit color depth, 1200dpi
TIFFs. Judging by how clear Ryan Whitaker's liners are, I'd estimate his
are the same.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply - Hardcore fan of Dream Theater, King's X, Rush (the band), and more!!! - Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ - If it's nae Scottish, it's CRAP!------------------------------
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4079 Message-ID: <19980718224501.15632.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
> I've only taken 1 term of Japanese at MIT (supposedly the best Japanese > program in the nation - it's fucking intense!) and I'm almost positive that > the tattoo you are referring to says "Ma-i-ki" or "Mikey" in katakana. I > recently > saw Portnoy at a drum clinic in NH and noticed the tattoo during his warmup > routine.
hmm, I'm guessing he got the idea from 'Fu-ran-ku' Zappa :)
Bout classical music having to do with intelligence, the way i see it, most ppl who listen to classical belong to the upper middle class and above classes. THese classes tend to be more 'educated', which can translate to 'intelligent' in certain cases.
And as D-mans plan....it could work but with a minor change...instead of buying the CD along with a falvor-of-the month CD buy it with well known bands/musicians with somewhat intelligent music (whose fans are more likely to appreciate DT' music)
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4079 Message-ID: <19980718224513.9612.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
> I've only taken 1 term of Japanese at MIT (supposedly the best Japanese > program in the nation - it's fucking intense!) and I'm almost positive that > the tattoo you are referring to says "Ma-i-ki" or "Mikey" in katakana. I > recently > saw Portnoy at a drum clinic in NH and noticed the tattoo during his warmup > routine.
hmm, I'm guessing he got the idea from 'Fu-ran-ku' Zappa :)
Bout classical music having to do with intelligence, the way i see it, most ppl who listen to classical belong to the upper middle class and above classes. THese classes tend to be more 'educated', which can translate to 'intelligent' in certain cases.
And as D-mans plan....it could work but with a minor change...instead of buying the CD along with a falvor-of-the month CD buy it with well known bands/musicians with somewhat intelligent music (whose fans are more likely to appreciate DT' music)
later, Ern _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:00:59 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>, Subject: New versions: Dream Theater and Kevin Moore Song Books. Message-ID: <35B1292B.AFC5A0A4@goodnet.com>
New versions of these Song Books (complete lyrics) are available on my website: http://www.ivorygate.com/dt
The new versions include all the Chroma Key lyrics, and several DT demo songs. Check them out.
Please update any links or mirrored copies that you may have of these.
The process for retrieving them from the Ytsejam archive, probably won't be active for a while, because Skadz probably has a life or something and we can't expect him to add these on command... hehe
Thanks! -- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:45:19 -0400 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: wow, record posting number for me Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980718194519.006a0f10@scott.skidmore.edu>
Yes it's me AGAIN...that annoying, stupid chick. Anyway, I was wondering what you all would think about some multimedia stuff on a DT album.... You see, I know some of the fans have talents in the multimedia area, and I was wondering if we all compilated or even gave the job to one person, if DT would accept a multimedia presentation on an upcoming disc...I mean, hell, we all know the fans would do it for free....
I'm just wondering since I've been up to my neck in multimedia....
Erica
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