YTSEJAM Digest 4084
Today's Topics:
1) re: DT multimedia
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
2) NYC Boots
by "Frank Benenati" <fmb@emeraldlink.com>
3) Re: Fates/King's X/Galactic Cowboys Tour
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
4) Re: the new fates album
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
5) Re: Real Audio
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
6) someone say boots in nyc?
by Thrak75@aol.com
7) Blind Guardian tour dates
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
8) Angra - real orchestra??
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) Re: what is it about DT?????
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
10) Jordan/Kronos
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
11) Re: Real Audio
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
12) Re: Jordan/Kronos
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) Spock's Beard and Enchant tour update
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
14) Re: Real Audio
by "Chris C." <chris-76@prodigy.net>
15) FS:More DT Bootlegs and other prog rarities
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
16) Celestion speakers
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
17) ?? whats up with ytse radio ??
by "Arthur Spencer" <aspencer@maxnet.com>
18) Explorers Club - Age of Impact
by "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:53:18 -0400
From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: DT multimedia
Message-ID: <199807201247.IAA14920@bajor.ici.net>
> * the multimedia presentations would be designed for windows and not
> everybody has windows running on his/her computers;
Maybe this could be solved by including a seperate disc, or
perhaps putting multiple system areas on the CD? Chances are
the actual MM data would only have to be included once. I'm
not sure that it's feasible, just something to consider.
> * the multimedia presentations wouldn't be playable all the time --
> only when you have a computer with all the bells and whistles
> installed -- so you won't be able to play the multimedia using your
> Discman or your main stereo, which limitates the fun;
Well, half the fun would be treating this as a bonus. Maybe (and
again, this is in a perfect world), you market two versions: one with
the MM, and one without. Make the bonus one cost like a dollar
more, and let the customers decide.
> Some of the arguments above are a bit subjective, but at least the
> first two are objective. Now for a completely subjective argument: I
> really can't see what's the point in having a CD with multimedia. Just
> to have the ego fulfilled with the thought: "Ah, my computer can play
> these things" or to show your friends?
You're asking this to a group of people who are unabashedly
thrilled about the possibility that DT will release B-sides and
singles that they may never play live? Do you think there is noone
on this list that gets a chubby at limited edition DT stuff, no matter
what the format? :)
Remember that DT promo file for Awake? Pretty lame when you
get right down to it, but how many of us had a copy at one point?
How many have a copy *now*? That's what I thought.
__Pat Sullivan________________
Email: psull@just-like.nu
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu
ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:57:25 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <fmb@emeraldlink.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NYC Boots
Message-ID: <000701bdb3e6$53113ad0$6a88abc7@fmb_newsalert.newsalert>
Eric Marlett said:
>
> If anyone (WildKoba maybe...) knows of any good stores that sell
> boots in NYC, please let me know where they might be.... I'm mainly
> in search of DT and Tori Amos material....
I've always spent a great deal of time browsing the stores in the village
when I was in the area. Unfortunately, I've NEVER found DT stuff or Tori
Amos stuff for a handful of reasons:
1) If I'm in the village, I'm probably severely intoxicated.
I always have a fear of buying shit in that state,
I might by looking for a DT boot and end up with Ted Stryker's
famous Polkas!
2) I always look for cool stuff anyway, and I find total shit. I've
never
scored a single cool thing to buy in the Village...ever!
3) The chances of me purchasing Tori Amos outside of NYC isn't any
better
the chances of my buying her stuff inside the Big Apple. Sorry...
Anyway, all of this is not really necessary....Simply the best place to find
Progressive music is a place called the Music Arcade in Westbury (I know,
D-Man already mentioned this)........Simply put, if there is a DT / Rush /
Yes boot that they can get their paws on, they sell it in that store. In
addition, they have almost every Magna Carta disc in the catalog.....The
best thing to do is save you cash, take an afternoon, and go out to Long
Island and stock up.....It's a lot better than wasting time trying to find a
good store for prog in NYC! :)
L8r,
T h e A l m i g h t y M O J O M A N!
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:01:08 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates/King's X/Galactic Cowboys Tour
Message-ID: <35B34DA4.83DF7BB8@goodnet.com>
Digital Man wrote:
>
> > album from King's X. Plus the fact that I'm seeing KX your with Fates and
> > the Galactic Cowboys on Ocotber 8th.
>
> Whoa! Where??? Anyone have all the dates for this tour?
I haven't heard anything definitive yet (and Metal Blade doesn't like to
release any dates until they are at least half way solid), but Jaxx is
advertising one date of the tour on October 8. s soon as I find out some info
on the tour, I'll post it here....
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:39 -0700 From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the new fates album Message-ID: <35B34E77.D79C585C@goodnet.com>
belhai wrote: > > Okay, I know Dream Theater has a built up quite a srtong fan base that > they can now release a double live album and not suffer from a lack of > sales. > But how is Fates Warning able to pull this off? Seriously, I don't see a > whole lot of sales for their double live album. True... I don't think that Metal Blade plans on selling millions of copies of this, but from what I understand... A Pleasant Shade of Gray has sold pretty well compared to other Fates albums (I guess especially in Europe). Metal Blade knows just about how much Fates stuff it will sell when they release a new album, they know they have a core fanbase that will buy everything that comes out (much like DT)...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<<
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:18:08 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Real Audio Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980720101808.006aa470@mail.clemson.edu>
>Does anyone know of a program that will convert real audio files into wav >files? >Also what's a good program to make real audio files?
as far as i know, theres no way to decode a RA file. as far as encoding one, try RealEncoder by realmedia. They designed realaudio, so their encoder probably works pretty well, huh? :) Well, there's microsoft...
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:34:04 EDT From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: someone say boots in nyc? Message-ID: <a112040e.35b3555e@aol.com>
hmm......boot stores in nyc. i know there's a couple of nifty little shops walking down st. mark's place in the village (that's st. mark's between 2nd and 3rd), and on (i think) thompson street, which isn't too far away from washington square park there's a place called generation records where i've seen both dt and tori boots. i don't remember their exact addresses, but it's one of those places you just get used to seeing when you pass by there enough.
i KNOW for a fact there's at least a couple of good places out on the island too. one i know about is called twisted disque (i'm pretty sure that's what it's called). now i haven't been there in a long time, and i know they keep really weird hours, but it's on hempstead tpke. right by the belmont racetrack.
i keep about yet another one out on the island, but this one i've no clue as to what it's called or where it is. i just know that some of my friends have been there, and it's supposed to be good.
hope this helps.
wild koba
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Date: 20 Jul 1998 16:50:38 +0200 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blind Guardian tour dates Message-ID: <tkuaf64efup.fsf@zussun4.desy.de>
Hi everyone,
If you live in South America or in southern Europe you might want to check out the new Blind Guardian tour dates located at:
And if you have never heard of Blind Guardian go to the above and download some sound samples. Have fun!
Jason
-- Jason T. Breitweg Jason.Breitweg@desy.de http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg ICQ# 7495933
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:08:52 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Angra - real orchestra?? Message-ID: <35B35D84.FB1BE907@winshop.com.au>
Jammers,
In reference to the new Angra album, Fireworks, can anyone tell me if they plan to record with a real orchestra this time? Make no mistake, I dig Angra alot, but wouldn't a *real* orchestra bring these guys orchestral/classical sections (and overall music) to a new level? Am I right .....?
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:08:55 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: what is it about DT????? Message-ID: <35B35D87.10FA2DD3@winshop.com.au>
Layne wrote:
> 1. Originality- Dt came to us at a time when music was runing bland > for many people. i dunno about other people but back in 92 I&W > screamed at me as something that new and different that nobody else > was touching on. I heard PMU and that was it, game over, I am branded > for life
...
> I hope to hear other people's opinion of why DT stands out above the > rest in their genre
Well for me, my first DT experience was early 96 when i borrowed a copy of Awake from a friend of mine. I can still remember that truly enlightening week of constantly replaying Awake over and over again, not because I loved it straight away (in fact the majority of the songs I disliked), but because of some sort of indefinable sense of intrigue that compelled me to come back to the album again and again.
Up until then I'd been raised on a diet of mainstream and mildly alternative rock, so hearing something that was truly 'progressive' for the first time was a rather obscure experience - I mean DT seemed to be just like another hard rock/heavy metal ensemble (guitar, bass, drums, keys and vox), but the unique hook of curiosity which made me single out these guys as 'something else' *wasn't* because they used a crazy techno dance beat with lots of funky, industrial synth sounds, or played sloppy, grungy, loser trash-shit rock and sung about how much society sux while swearing left and right centre for some simple minded shock-rock tactics. No, DT's appeal wasn't in a flimsy exterior layer of cosmetics and cheap theatrics - it was deeper than that.
At the time I couldn't, and still cannot truly do so to this day, put a label on what made these guys so special, but I knew it was there. It was something so new and fresh (esp. to me since my current musical tastes were of no help to prepare me for anything progressive, let alone something of DT's callibre) but the outstanding and creatively challenging musicianmanship was only part of what drew me to Awake. Alot of it was an emotional, and almost spiritual, enchancement provided by songs such as Erotomania, Scarred and Space Dye Vest.
DT truly shook up my.... beliefs, if you will, of what music should be and completely opened my eyes (and ears) up to world of possibilities and emotions I once had no idea could be conveyed via music.
I currently, and probably always will, consider DT's best album to Awake. I do believe the songwriting on I&W is perhaps a little more polished, but it takes a close 2nd place behind Awake for no reason other than the permanent, sentimental attachment I have to Awake. It was the catalyst for my total recallibration of my outlook on music. As Layne said, "I am branded for life...". At times I think it's strange - that a single album could have a such a profound effect on my life - but I know trying to determine a reason for it is pretty much a useless exercise.
Thankyou for listening,
Luke.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:11:14 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jordan/Kronos Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980720121114.007a6100@pop3.afn.org>
> ...but those of you who read high fantasy fiction are also likely >anticipating the following in October: "The Path of Daggers" by Robert >Jordan, book 8 of The Wheel Of Time (easily the most ambitious,
Jesus Christ, won't the guy ever end it? The man is getting as bad as Piers Anthony, let me tell ya (ok, maybe I exaggerate, a *little*).
---
And, speaking of the Kronos Quartet, most of their stuff that I've heard has been boring, but I must highly recommend BLACK ANGELS. Not only is the title track, by George Crumb, an amazing piece of ambient/noise/music (which I'd put a segment of on Music that Kicks Ass if freenet's disk drives weren't still trashed after a fortnight), but we also get an excellent performance of Shostakovich's 8th Quartet, which in my opinion was his best.
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho). http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:29 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Real Audio Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980720091628.00707b70@lainet.com>
>Does anyone know of a program that will convert real audio files into wav >files? >Also what's a good program to make real audio files?
CoolEdit Pro v1.1 will let you open/edit/save RA files. Definately worth every dime they charge you.
You can get it at http://www.syntrillium.com
-sp00L
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Jordan/Kronos Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980720091742.11486C-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, earthblind, starbound wrote:
>Jesus Christ, won't the guy ever end it? The man is getting as bad as >Piers Anthony, let me tell ya (ok, maybe I exaggerate, a *little*).
Not really -- at 1200 pages a book, Jordan written as many pages... ^_^
DTC: I hope Charlie D's doing the video thing out of want and not complete need. It seems that he's lingering on the whole "I was a singer for a band that's kinda big now" gig. I don't know why, or if I even should, but I kinda feel sorry for the guy.
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:20:09 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: YTSEJAM - The Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spock's Beard and Enchant tour update Message-ID: <35B36E39.ABDEC6BE@pacbell.net>
This came from the Spock's Beard mailing list... I thought it might be of interest to at least a couple of you.
Spock's Beard and Enchant Tour Dates...
Oct 26 Bochum, Zeche GERMANY Oct 27 Verviers, Spirit Of 66 BELGIUM Oct 28 Ludwigsburg, Rockfabrik GERMANY Oct 29 Hamburg, Markthalle GERMANY Oct 30 Kopenhagen DENMARK ??? to be confirmed Oct 31 SWEDEN or BERLIN, GERAMNY ??? to be confirmed Nov 1 DAY OFF Nov 2 Utrecht, Tivoli HOLLAND Nov 3 Paris FRANCE ??? to be confirmed Nov 4 Augsburg, Rockfabrik GERMANY Nov 5 Pratteln, Konzertfabrik Z7 SWITZERLAND Nov 6 Salzburg, Rockfabrik AUSTRIA Nov 7 Biella/Turin, Babylonia ITALY ??? to be confirmed
-- Lisa Marie "Jessie" ytsegirl@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl _________________________________________ THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard _________________________________________ Ytsejam Radio on Real Audio http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029/ytseradio
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:28:53 -0500 From: "Chris C." <chris-76@prodigy.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Real Audio Message-ID: <000601bdb3fb$7e272620$2a252581@default>
>Does anyone know of a program that will convert real audio files into wav >files?
Go here: http://www.2bsys.com/Ra2Wav/index.htm
Later,
Chris
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:35:29 -0500 From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FS:More DT Bootlegs and other prog rarities Message-ID: <35B371D0.EBE6D9B@flash.net>
I've added a few more Dream Theater bootlegs at my web page below:
http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cdsale.html
Thanks, Kevin.
-- ----------------------------------------------------------- Used CDs are always for sale at: http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cdsale.html Updated regularly! -----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:45 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Celestion speakers Message-ID: <1998720124022241@ix.netcom.com>
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with this one. I'm using a Fender Twin Reverb with stock fender 100 watt speakers. Now I know a lot of metal and shred guys use Celstion vitage 30 speakers (petrucci and Yngwie I know do). Now, I was wondering, if I had celestion vitage 30 speakers put in my twin, how would it change the sound? What would it add to it and how would it sound different. Would I be able to get better crunch? Thanks
Matt
+-----------------------------------+ | "A daily dose of eMpTyV | | will flush your mind | | right down the drain." | | | | - Mike Portnoy | +-----------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:57:02 -0400 From: "Arthur Spencer" <aspencer@maxnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ?? whats up with ytse radio ?? Message-ID: <009601bdb3ff$6aff98d0$454db6cd@thor.maxnet.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:53:08 -0500 From: "Nafe, Tim" <tnafe@BestBuy.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Explorers Club - Age of Impact Message-ID: <3CBB14EE9DB4D111B21100805FA71952027766@cs01_exchange>
I just got my copy and it kicks ass!!
JP's guitar work is absolutely fabulous. Very similar to his work in LTE.
I am not a huge fan of Trent Gardners vocals but everything else is great.
Who is Dali's Dilemma? Matt Bradley from Dali's Dilemma sings a song Fading Fast and does a great job. I cannot find any info on the internet in his band.
This is a must have CD for all.
Tim
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