YTSEJAM Digest 4090
Today's Topics:
1) Long time, no rant...
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) !!!!!! PARIS !!!!!!!
by Wino Emmanuel <ewino@mail.dotcom.fr>
3) Egyptian Themes, Lyrics
by Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
4) Re: Fates
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) keyboard solos
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Kevin J. LaBrie
by ytsejam@iname.com
7) re: prog on the radio
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
8) Fav. keyboard solos
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
9) bad traders
by "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4087
by RushLLP@aol.com
11)
by "Arthur Spencer" <aspencer@maxnet.com>
12) Re: Ytsejam For Piano
by "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca>
13) The State of Music on the radio today
by "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com>
14) UACM problems
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
15) Re: UACM problems
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:52:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Long time, no rant...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980722012611.48532A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> My Answer: I share a similar opinion, but I must admit that E/W sucks ass.
> The promotion that they have done for other bands has been superb, but for
> Dream Theater; it's a little bit below average.
How does one promote a band that seems to fly in the face of the
industry's conventions? Long song lengths, technical proficeny, lyrical
substance.....it's like looking at one of those workbooks they'd give you
in kindergarten showing a baseball, a football, a basketball, and a house
and ask you which one doesn't belong. DT's the house. Even the so-called
"commercial" songs on FII are only commercial in comparison to the band's
catalog, not to the unfamiliar ear. In the 80s and early 90s, Hollow Years
would have been HUGE (think "Silent Lucidity"). I guess my point here is
that considering that DT is such an outlier, any major label would have a
tough time marketing DT. Does that mean that DT does not belong on a major
label? Not necessarily. All that means is that any major label they are
going to be on is going to have to work twice as hard to "break" them. And
if you're in the promotions or marketing department and you only have
8 - 10 hours in a work day, who are you going to be encouraged to work: a
relatively unknown bunch of un-hip proggers, or a flavor of the month
alternative or dance group? Of course the upside to the majors is that if
people want your album, chances are they can get it, not to mention
their pull with radio and MTV.
> So what does all this mean? Simply stated, the music industry is
> coming around. Bands like Big Wreck, Creed and even Matchbox 20 are talented.
> The rotation on the radio stations are big with these bands.
Agreed. The climate has improved drastically over the last couple of
years. Melody is actually beginning to creep back into the mainstream. But
we still have a long way to go.
You hardly hear bands like Nirvana and Hole on the radio anymore, why?
because they suck and people and the music industry is smartening up.
>
I don't think it has anything to do with smarts. Nirvana has been history
for a long time, but their influence is still very present (Bush, Days Of
The New, etc). And I heard Hole is putting out another album. I
wish Courtney would stick to acting.
I totally believe that the music industry will start promoting bands
> like DT and Rush etc. a lot more than before. You will see them come
> through, I just think that FII was a little premature for the industry's
> "coming out".
If you build it, they will come.
Richie
P.S.
> I went to see "There's Something About Mary" tonight with my wife(tottaly
> funny movie BTW)
You'll never look at hair gel the same way :)
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:18:19 +0200
From: Wino Emmanuel <ewino@mail.dotcom.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: !!!!!! PARIS !!!!!!!
Message-ID: <35B5842B.DB692788@mail.dotcom.fr>
Hi !
I'm looking for an audio boot (soundboard) of the PAris show of June 25.
All the show (3 or 4 CD)
Thanx in advance for your help.
Manu.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bernardo Pulgar <b.pulgar@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Egyptian Themes, Lyrics
Message-ID: <19980722065505.8115.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com>
Hello again, people:
Matt Johnston wrote:
>This song's lyrics rock more than the others -- fewer vague cliches
and
>some cool imagery ("the jackyl screams as my stone gods behold
descrators
>of RA!") make this the coolest egyptian-themed song since Powerslave.
>Maybe even better!
It's quite interesting the way that a song with a somewhat North
African theme or melody turns out to be a kick-ass composition in
the end! Not only these two, but I find myself like in trance when I
listen to Blue Murder's 'The Valley of the Kings', Led Zep's
'Kashmir', Rainbow's 'Eyes of Fire' or 'Stargazer'. Maybe it's got
something to do with the repetitive riffs and constant rhythm. Does
anybody remember other similar songs?
On DT lyrics:
>>I even read an article where Derek Sherinian said one of the biggest
>>differences in the new DT material is that the lyrics aren't as
>>"Dungeons & Dragons" as the older stuff.
>OK, let me commit some blasphamy here. The biggest problem I have
>enjoying FII is the lyrics.
I think that the main difference between FII and pre-FII DT albums
is that the new lyrics are punctual and thus, easier to understand,
whilst previous lyrics are more ethereal and could mean whatever the
listener wanted them to. So, it depends more on the receiving end.
No problem with a content like Peruvian Skies but, I feel I'm not
'forced' to 'think' as I was before.
I see there's a double live album coming. Couldn't it be triple?
Something else, I lost all my jams from 3962 to 4001, both
inclusive. Could anyone be so kind as to send them to the following
address?
ldbp@rivernet.com.au
Thank you in advance!
Bye: Bernardo
NP: Eloy: Planets
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:25:29 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates
Message-ID: <199807220725.AAA27501@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Andy thus begged:
>
>If Fates Warning releases a double disc, live, cd for Metal Blade/RED/SONY
>whatever and it sells 10,000 copies it would be, quite possibly, the best
>seller that label has ever seen. Fates would get bumped up a label or two
>by the SONY big wigs, more and more money would be pushed into
>promotions, and Kevin Moore would, quite possibly, join the band full
>time.
Actually, I think the breakpoint of most label albums is about 60,000 albums.
Parallel's actually got airplay on certain radio stations, and that reached
sales of 150K units in the U.S. By the far the biggest selling Fates album.
>Just my thoughts....and to echo the fact that in my mind, a double from
>Fates would not be a bad idea, an even if it sells 5,000 copies the band
>makes money.....no promtions cost, no tour costs, no promo discs sent
>out, no worring about sending that single to radio,.....all that shit.
Well, Fates IS coming out with a double live album.
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:12:39 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: keyboard solos Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A5D0@ms.kallback.com>
> A thousand monkeys in Arash Ashouriha's basement typed: > > I would like to start a new survey. I don't think this was > disccussed before. > > The question is : What are your favorite keyboard solos of all time > ? > Then a thousand Monkeys named Merlo typed: > Remember, this is the Ytsejam. If you would like to submit your > thoughts for inclusion in the survey's results, you must mail them > directly to Arash. (I'm sure that this was a simple oversight, and > that Arash didn't intend to imply that you should send your comments > to the whole list.) > -d Well THIS monkey thinks that Arash "E.T." Ashouriha didn't really want to take a survey, but wanted to start a new TOPIC/THREAD, and used the wrong word. I guess we would have to ask him, though. I think it's a great thread, being an amateur keyboardist myself, and think it's as relevent as fave guitar solos, which we've done in the past, unless you've got something against keyboardists in general, in which case we could start the guitarists/keyboardist debate again, that, to my nipples, was boring as hell. Anyway, I like reading the responses to the "Survey" right here on the Jam. IMHO, Trevor ps Calvin is a good trader.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 04:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ytsejam@iname.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kevin J. LaBrie Message-ID: <199807220850.EAA27885@web04.globecomm.net>
Me and my buddy are having a little disagreement about one thing.=20 How does Kevin James pronounce his name is it=20 1. LaBrea (like in Sea) or 2. LaBrye (like in why) or is it something else?=20
J=F8rgen Bakken 62 59 50 80=20 91 74 77 98=20 www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4 r+d>s TW 0/0/ FD - 0 DSoT 2 1 <21jul98> PFCode "But don't cut your losses too soon - 'cause you'll only be cutting your throat" 6:00 - Kevin Moore -Awake -1994
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:23:14 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: prog on the radio Message-ID: <199807221117.HAA27639@bajor.ici.net>
> So what does all this mean? Simply stated, the music industry > is > coming around. Bands like Big Wreck, Creed and even Matchbox 20 are > talented. The rotation on the radio stations are big with these bands. > You hardly hear bands like Nirvana and Hole on the radio anymore, > why? because they suck and people and the music industry is > smartening up.
I have to disagree with most of this. Granted, Big Wreck may have more talent than your average 90's grunge band, but as to Creed and MB20, I don't hear it - what I hear is Bush. :)
You hardly hear Nirvana and Hole simply because they are no longer the "flavor-of-the-month". I think that bodes POORLY for prog on the radio, simply because by the time they *do* play any of it on there, it'll be on for a few weeks, then on to the next "big thing". Blink and you'll miss it.
It's *never* safe to say the music industry is "smartening up". The only way they'll ever cater to prog fans is when they realize that they can exploit them to make more money.
__Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:26:50 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fav. keyboard solos Message-ID: <35B5CC7A.847C0B85@winshop.com.au>
> What are your favorite keyboard solos of all time ?
I've one distinct fav;
Kevin Moore's solo in the original ACOS from the tDoE boot - without a doubt the most epic solo I've ever heard.
Anyone else of the same opinion?
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:01:15 +0200 From: "Einar B. Gilberg" <einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bad traders Message-ID: <35B5AA5B.9370C639@colargol.idb.hist.no>
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:06:28 EDT > subject: bad traders list > From: Toneadd9@aol.com
> u can add CALVIN6S to that list!!!
No, you can't. Make that GOOD traders list! Calvin is a VERY reliable trader. I sent him $60 for an I&W tab book he had to buy for me (and several others) from Japan - get them mailed to himself, and send to each of us he did the great favor to. Not only did he do the job. He informed us about the progress of the order from Japan. I have only good things to say about Calvin. And, I don't hesitate to believe that the little Instant Message gig he posted to the jam is legitimate... Toneadd9.. send to Calvin what's part of your deal!
Regards, Einar -- Einar B. Gilberg tlf : +47-73 51 05 31 Kalvskinns gt. 3 fax : +47-73 51 05 31 N-7012 Trondheim e-mail: einarg@colargol.idb.hist.no NORWAY www : http://www.colargol.idb.hist.no/~einarg
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:16:10 EDT From: RushLLP@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4087 Message-ID: <44f3f91c.35b5d80b@aol.com>
The best keyboard solos:
- Tom Scholz "Foreplay / Long Time" (not technically a solo, but the song ROX, heh) - Jordan Rudess "State of Grace" (along w. pretty much everything else from LTE) - Anything by Kevin Moore or Derek Sherinian
Hmm. I just realized that many of the CDs in my collection feature either stellar bass work or guitar work, but no drums/keys. Maybe this thread will help me branch off into a new direction.
Matthew DT/DP/ELP 8/12 Camden, NJ - only 21 days to go! :)
Gratuitous NP: Rush, "Hold Your Fire"
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:23:27 -0400 From: "Arthur Spencer" <aspencer@maxnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <005501bdb57c$4b5d74b0$454db6cd@thor.maxnet.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:23:00 -0400 From: "MacAusland, Robert: HFX" <MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ytsejam For Piano Message-ID: <199807221423.HAA24953@odin.ax.com>
Has anyone downloaded the MP3 found below? I've downlownded it twice, and on both occasion it came up garbled (sounded like a recording overdubbed with running water)
R.
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> writes: > >Hi there, > >check out my Ytsejam cover for piano at: >http://www.icon.hu/~serenity >under the "gift" frame... an let me know your opinion. > >Cheers, >Bungle
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:37:44 PDT From: "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The State of Music on the radio today Message-ID: <19980722144003.29394.qmail@hotmail.com>
Greetings one and all
After a lengthy absence from the jam, I find myself looking at recent posts about the trend in music on the radio today. Here in San Diego, there are several excelent radio stations. But to my extreme dismay, all attempts to have ANYTHING prog (other than Rush) played on the radio are effectively ignored. Is it my imagination or are the radio stations too scared to play prog? I believe this is the case. Prog is, to most radio stations to "Out there" to be played on a regular basis. I realize there are exceptions, but for the most part, prog and radio are not a happy couple. So all of our favorite bands must suffer through the indignity of having great music, but not being allowed to have the "common" people hear it. So my question is, what do we, as prog fans, do about it? I do agree that there is a change coming, as is right and proper, but will this change truly inculde prog? Possibly. The way I see it, prog will be played as long as the songs are sis minutes and under. Again, there will be exceptions, but I seriously doubt you will hear ACoS on mainstream radio anytime soon. Or APSoG either. Well, that's my Point of View. Take it where you will.
Steven G. Dob - Wolf in absentia A phosphorescent wave on a tropical sea . . . A pattern of moonlight on a bedroom floor . . . The flame at the heart of a pawnbrokers Diamond . . . The look in your eyes as you head for the door . . . All of these are a cold fire ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:01:55 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: UACM problems Message-ID: <01BDB59A.D21933E0@113.154.dialin.mxs.nl>
For some reason the http://www.dreamtheater.net/ address isn't working anymore... Until things are fixed, you can still get to "Under A Cyber Moon" by going to :
I know, real catchy URL. ;-)
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:16:48 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: UACM problems Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980722091647.007660f0@lainet.com>
At 09:18 AM 7/22/98 Itchy wrote: > > > For some reason the http://www.dreamtheater.net/ > address isn't working anymore... Until things are > fixed, you can still get to "Under A Cyber Moon" > by going to : > > http://207.218.90.201 > > I know, real catchy URL. ;-)
Hey everyone...
Actually the problem is related to billing issues with InterNIC. I'm working on having this resolved by the end of today.
Take care,
-sp00L
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