YTSEJAM Digest 4121
Today's Topics:
1)
by almar@freemail.nl
2) DT share A.O.I..
by almar@freemail.nl
3) Get things in perspective
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
4) Re: Seriously (EC: AOI)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) RE: DP/DT/SATCH
by "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
6) Your suggestions please
by Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian)
7) KingsX and DT
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
8) BUMA/STEMRA
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
9) Grammar Nazi; .sig Nazi; talent Nazi
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
10) Brazilian DT fans!
by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br>
11) proposed FAQ addition
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
12) Kevin "Caveman" Shirley
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
13) Re: proposed FAQ addition
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
14) Hampton Beach show
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
15) Grammar
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
16) BIG BROTHER in HOLLAND
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
17) Re: [sigh] LTE. Attn, Jon Parmet
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
18) Re: Kevin "Caveman" Shirley
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
19) Re: Get things in perspective
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:22:30 GMT
From: almar@freemail.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199807310822.IAA02165@freesrv2.freemail.nl>
Hi everyone,
I would like to share my thoughts about Age of Impact. I think Petrucci
has got his share! He plays absolutely brilliant, especially on the se-
cond song Fading Fast.
LaBrie appears on two songs which is quite a share too, BUT I think he
'got' the songs with the least interesting 'songlines' ( how is it cal-
led? ). Personally I think he should have sung song #2 which doesn't
mean I dislike the voice Matt Bradley, as a matter of fact I think he's
doing a very good job and like the way it is now. But being a DT-fan I
would have liked LaBrie singing that song. I don't mean to offend fans
of Dali's Dilemma or Matt Bradley in particular.
Sherinian's share is OK for me, but not overwhelming.
Well that's it for me so far.
Greetings, Almar.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:22:55 GMT
From: almar@freemail.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT share A.O.I..
Message-ID: <199807310822.IAA02410@freesrv2.freemail.nl>
Hi everyone,
I would like to share my thoughts about Age of Impact. I think Petrucci
has got his share! He plays absolutely brilliant, especially on the se-
cond song Fading Fast.
LaBrie appears on two songs which is quite a share too, BUT I think he
'got' the songs with the least interesting 'songlines' ( how is it cal-
led? ). Personally I think he should have sung song #2 which doesn't
mean I dislike the voice Matt Bradley, as a matter of fact I think he's
doing a very good job and like the way it is now. But being a DT-fan I
would have liked LaBrie singing that song. I don't mean to offend fans
of Dali's Dilemma or Matt Bradley in particular.
Sherinian's share is OK for me, but not overwhelming.
Well that's it for me so far.
Greetings, Almar.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:10:13 +0100
From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Get things in perspective
Message-ID: <80256652.0031B9A1.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
Dave wrote:
The god that is MP wrote...
and
I am touched that MP read my post though,
Humbled Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama)
Come on guys...............I know they are our favourite band but lets try
and keep the ass-lickin' and sycophantic worship to a minimum. Mike
Portnoy is not a god, he is an amazingly talented drummer, musician, music
lover and appreciative supporter of fan power.
But please......a god.....get a grip man.....this sort of post makes me
cringe and suddenly fear that I'm stuck in a Star Trek or Friends
convention (aaaaaaahhhhhhhh)
If I was Mike I would be totally embarrased by grown and able-minded (i
assume) people calling me deity...
The jam is not an exercise in acheiving the brownest tongue
possible.......if it was I would have unsubbed months ago.
Keep up the fun (i.e mentioning Tyketto's Standing Alone ....cool song) and
the interesting (i.e AOI review...new album details) jams which make this
worthwhile....
Steve
A UK jammer living in the UK.........where else??????????
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:18:31 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Seriously (EC: AOI)
Message-ID: <199807310918.CAA07012@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Andrew Embler thus begged:
>
>>My only gripe about the album (and it must have been due to budget) was the
>>mix. Where's Kevin Shirley when you need him? At times the bass is too
>
>Amen!
Well, Shirley may be able to make it sound cleaner, but it wouldn't have been
as prog... cause Shirley is the man they have come in and make it sound more
"commercial"... bah
I'm kinda GLAD Shirley had NOTHING to do with Impact.
Shirley should be hung for what he did to TAMP.
But on a positive note... Petrucci really kicks some serious ass on Impact,
he dishes out some good note selections. I think the main problem with the
mix was that too many effx were used, saturating the recording too much.
-The Doc
-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST------------------------------
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:46:38 +0200 From: "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: DP/DT/SATCH Message-ID: <000001bdbc68$1ddec000$536b9ec2@default>
you wrote:
Hey Jamers! I just heard on the radio today here in Minnesota that Deep Purple is trying to get a tour going after this summer with Dream Theater and Joe Satriani on the bill. Has anybody else heard this "wet dream" of a rumor? Portnoy-- fill us in! JKorby
In fact, they appeared together on Monsters of Rock in Turin, Italy this summer. Van Halen was supposed to headline but their performance was canceled. Do you mean just Satriani? In Italy he played with Schenker and Uli Roth.
BTW, in Europe, Rage with Lingua Mortis Orchestra are opening for Deep Purple. Do any of European Jammers know where exactly this will take place?
And one more question: is new Firehouse album already released in the States? If someone has already bought could you post a small review (or write me privately)? Thanks a lot in advance.
Take care, Volodya.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Your suggestions please Message-ID: <25000-35C19BA6-50@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hey all. I need some help here. My birthday is coming up next month (early September), and all I really want is new music for my prog collection. I would like to give a list of albumns to family and friends, but I really don't have a good idea of what they should look for. What do you all recommend? If it helps, I live in central Ohio, and most of the music store chains don't carry much in the way of prog. Also, I am the only one who has access to the internet.
Thanks in advance. ~BC
"The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:20:28 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KingsX and DT Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980731072028.0079cc80@mail.erinet.com>
to the guy who wrote that KX sells more than DT...
well, um...no.
KX has never gone gold. their closest was Faith,Hopr,Love with around 300,000 units. DT has at least one gold album (I&W), plus i'm quite positive that DT consistently sells more than KX.
not that any of that matters. both are kick-ass bands...worthy of more than the music cretics and radio give them.
Dan
+--- ---+ Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who laughs last thinks slowest" +--- ---+
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:31:22 -0500 From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BUMA/STEMRA Message-ID: <35C1C72A.54BE@auburn.net>
jogopogo@freemail.nl wrote: > I am a musician/artist in Holland. > Just as any other musician/artist in Holland I'm very glad that we have such a thing as BUMA/STEMRA. It protects the copyright to music and lyrics we artists make. > So please stop complaining about B/S only because you don't have this privillege overthere.
As Roger pointed out, I wasn't complaining, I was giving a warning to someone who was trying to trade or buy bootlegs. I suppose it's good that your government has enough money to pay its agents to search everyone's mail. B/S, indeed.
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Grammar Nazi; .sig Nazi; talent Nazi Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980731092226.8139A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Quoth KorgX3: > Ah, but what if it simply be this crude cudgel I plans on bludgeoning > thee with, knave? What? Shalt ye so snobily decry mine grammar?!?!? > Let not mine anger beget mine senses or thou wilt surely be slain this > day!
Okay, "mine/my". "Mine" before a vowel, "my" before a consonant. Otherwise a cool set o' sentences (I like archaic language).
> Nip Nip Tyruket! (performs a spinning kick to Andrew) > Alyuget! (Burns him to cinders with a fireball)
I always thought it was "All You Can Eat"...
> Oh, such sweet tinder dost ye make.
"Doth." :)
Jon K., .sig watcher, remarked: > Now now, if you're gonna get your panties in a bunch about Schnipp, you're > going to have to lambast Arash et al for showing what the FUCK they are > playing all the time...:)
Heh. I don't think the Doc was upset for Schnipp posting what he was listening to, as he was upset for posting what he was listening to in a separate post which had nothing else in it. :)
We got the following pleasant exchange from Jon P. >> Come back when you can spontanesouly jam for over 28 minutes and keep >> from tripping over yourself, let alone stay on key/beat. Till then, >> sit the fook back down :)
followed by this childish diatribe from AnathemA: > Being a jazz musician, I do that for HOURS not minutes 3 times a week. > But appearantly you can't.
Do you sell tickets to that little world you're living in? Get a grip. Jon simply remarked that many people can't do the spontaneous jam thing without sounding ridiculous. Apparently you also missed the :) at the end -- in most cases that means "Don't take this too seriously", which you apparently ignored.
And nobody likes a braggart. You might have the ability, but right now you've got an attitude the size of Jupiter. Quit making digs at others' abilities. If you have something constructive to say, then say it, but personal attacks like that one are a waste of time.
DT content: Does Derek Sherinian ever do clinics? I've been to a Portnoy clinic and I know that Petrucci does clinics too. Howsabout a clinic for us ivory-ticklers, Derek?
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Tech Support Manager, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Blue Murder -- "Blue Murder"
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:03:39 -0300 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" <dbonatti@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Brazilian DT fans! Message-ID: <199807311408.LAA01976@blake.sti.com.br>
Esta i uma mensagem de mzltiplas partes em formato MIME.
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Roger says: If you're a Brazillian 'jammer, what do you think of a meeting, say, next month??
I'm in!!! Great idea!! I've been hearing some rumours about DT in Brazil again this year, and that woudnt be far away... I hope!!
Let's keep in touch
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:16:43 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: proposed FAQ addition Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0731141643-0b0rZWN@mor.webscotland.co.uk>
Why has Mike Portnoy been known to shout "Soy Bomb!" during ACOS? Most pf is know the answer, but it might also have a place in the FAQ. Thoughts?
It's tourist season, and the streets are brimming with billions of bagpiping buskers. It is driving me up the fucking wall!
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:19:51 -0500 From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin "Caveman" Shirley Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F70@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
An example of recent posts -
>My only gripe about the album (and it must have been due to budget) was the >mix. Where's Kevin Shirley when you need him? At times the bass is too
This is interesting - I remember when FII came out and I was one of the few people who thought the mix was good. There were a lot of people suggesting that perhaps Shirley should be killed in a freak yachting accident. Now it turns out he's great again.
Confused...
Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:20:13 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: proposed FAQ addition Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0731142013-b49rZWN@mor.webscotland.co.uk>
I wrote: > Most pf is know the answer, [snip] ^^^^^
That's, uh, "of us". My hands are feeling funny today.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:40:42 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hampton Beach show Message-ID: <35C1D769.E248821@seacoast.com>
Scott wrote: >Also, does anyone know what The John Finn Group is like (the opening act for >the Hampton, MA D.T. show)?
Yeah dude, I don't know about the Hampton Beach show in Ma, but I'll be at the one in NH in just 4 short days!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! Bob
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:03:52 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Grammar Message-ID: <000101bdbc94$6df20080$452e88cf@jammer>
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Thomas Forcier wrote:
> As written, it could mean one of two things, either it is a Club of > Explorers (no apostrophe needed) > > Why no apostrophe needed in this case?? > > Curiously yours, Roger...
Because, Roger, in that sentence, the word "Explorers" does not show -possession-. Possession is required for an apostrophe. Glad to be of help.
JM
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:09:23 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: BIG BROTHER in HOLLAND Message-ID: <000201bdbc95$3385d600$452e88cf@jammer>
Quoting from Jogopogo@freemail.nl I am a musician/artist in Holland. Just as any other musician/artist in Holland I'm very glad that we have such a thing as BUMA/STEMRA. It protects the copyright to music and lyrics we artists make. So please stop complaining about B/S only because you don't have this privillege overthere.
Jorrit:( **********************
Yeah Jorrit.... I want someone going through my personal mail and packages at the post office.... NOT. I don't think so. I'm glad we don't have that crap here in the great United States.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: [sigh] LTE. Attn, Jon Parmet Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980731082306.2497A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, AnathemA wrote:
> >Jon Parmet Said: > Come back when you can spontanesouly jam for over 28 minutes and keep > from tripping over yourself, let alone stay on key/beat. Till then, sit > the fook back down :)
Hey, jazboi, at least direct the self-important spew to the right culprit. I wanna be politely flamed too! Oh, mememememe!
> >Being a jazz musician, I do that for HOURS not minutes 3 times a week. But >appearantly you can't.
Is it because you've lost feeling in your jamming instrument? You know, they have drugs to help that now... ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:28:49 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Kevin "Caveman" Shirley Message-ID: <004901bdbc97$efff2000$49f086cc@korgx3>
>This is interesting - I remember when FII came out and I was one of the >few people who thought the mix was good. There were a lot of people >suggesting that perhaps Shirley should be killed in a freak yachting >accident. Now it turns out he's great again.
I thought everything about FII was damn great from the start. There was nothing better than having John M. up in the mix yet not in your face. The bass is clearly audible when you listen for it, but doesn't dominate the recording. Kevin also had the mix great through the whole album. It just came off very smoothly. Yeah, he fucked up TAMP, but he's still a great producer, I think. But Mosh is right. There are tons of effects and that's most likely the cause of all the static on EC. There's ways around all that, still, but they must not have considered it an issue. And the mix on LTE is still rather well done, too, I think, so I don't think he was just lucky with FII. :)
But that's just me... Take care! --KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Get things in perspective Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980731083121.2497B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK wrote:
>Come on guys...............I know they are our favourite band but lets try >and keep the ass-lickin' and sycophantic worship to a minimum. Mike >Portnoy is not a god, he is an amazingly talented drummer, musician, music >lover and appreciative supporter of fan power.
I think we do okay... if I were Mike, I'd be more embarrased about the lack of self-control regarding flaming and criticizing that many people here have. Were you here when Mike showed himself finally? Quite a few flamed him handily before Mr. Ba*r and others confirmed the addy. And then, we didn't change our ways to impress him.
Hopefully, I represent more than myself with these feelings, but my "relationship" with Dream Theater is completely different than any other band. These guys are genuiunely intelligent (and could prolly spell a mite better than I), complex and three-dimensional individuals, who *hang out with us*, fer cryin' out loud. But, I have trouble saying, "Hey, Mikey, what possessed you to (xxxxx)? Speak up boi!"
Mike rockz nadz on drums, and posts to the 'jam. He *is* a god, in the metaphor of this list. Would we all be here without DT to write music cool enough and complex enough to make a mailing list for? And then he posts? Very very cool.
This praise isn't given out off-handedly. Nobody drooled all over themselves when Charlie spammed the list yesterday (We just got spammed by Charlie Dominici -- I thought I'd never live to say that...) with whatever lame thing he fell for on AOL.
In my mind, I can call people who are cool "a god". Unless you're atheist, or are really strict with your commandments (that whole no worshipping false gods thing), you can take the Bill Murray approach (from Groundhog Day) "I am a god. Not *the* God, but a god." When a friend does something cool, I *do* say, "You are a god, man." I don't sacrifice to his name, or Mike's name. I think perhaps a bit of a sense of humor is required to deal with a little fan praise... Mike's handling it okay. Others seem okay with it. Why don't you try it? C'mon, laugh with me now (hehehehehe...)
>But please......a god.....get a grip man.....this sort of post makes me >cringe and suddenly fear that I'm stuck in a Star Trek or Friends >convention (aaaaaaahhhhhhhh)
Nonononono, an ST or F con would involve public questions involving either their lovelife or the 4th beat of the 152nd measure of Met 1 and what they were thinking when they hit the sanre instead of the high tom like the previous time through the riff... We've asked neither. i think we're okay.
> >If I was Mike I would be totally embarrased by grown and able-minded (i >assume) people calling me deity... >
Yeah, you' ri... oh, wait, you're not Mike! Sorry, come again, drivethru. >The jam is not an exercise in acheiving the brownest tongue >possible.......if it was I would have unsubbed months ago. >
Then what are you complaining about? One post? Maybe two? In how many jams? Huh? ANSWER ME, BOY!!
>Keep up the fun (i.e mentioning Tyketto's Standing Alone ....cool song) and >the interesting (i.e AOI review...new album details) jams which make this >worthwhile....
Um... we are. It's called reading. It's that thing you do without talking, unless you've got real problems (hey, I have trouble counting silently... ^_^)
>Steve >A UK jammer living in the UK.........where else??????????
Where else indeed... ^_^ The question marks are a little redundant, don't you agree?
--Matt (suck it up, boi)
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