YTSEJAM Digest 4120
Today's Topics:
1) Dream Theater Tickets For Detroit show
by "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net>
2) Blues for sale
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4117
by Cooz33@aol.com
4) Movies (well, not at all really)
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
5) Re: Movies (well, not at all really)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
6) [sigh] LTE. Attn, Jon Parmet
by "AnathemA" <anathema@%ibbs.com>
7) Emotional songs (The 'Tage)
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
8) a couple prog titles for sale
by WhoFooldU@aol.com
9) AOI! WTF?
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
10) Re: Who's ripping who:DT/Watchtower
by "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
11) Re: Explorer's Club/Bozzio
by "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net>
12) Attention Jammers going to Hampton Beach Show next Sat. night.
by Inflammabl@aol.com
13) Rush Live CD set . . .
by "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com>
14) Explorers Club
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
15) Seriously (EC: AOI)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Digest 4106
by Nshsunsfan@aol.com
17) Re: Seriously (EC: AOI)
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4119
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:34:48 -0400
From: "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater Tickets For Detroit show
Message-ID: <001601bdbc23$6cbdd7a0$38cb18cf@ciaccess.com.ciaccess.com>
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This is the first for me being on the ytsejam digest so I hope this =
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I have 4 tickets for the August 15th show in Detroit at the Pine Knob =
featuring Dream Theater, Deep Purple, and ELP. Unfortunately I cannot =
make this show but I am going to catch them the 19th in Toronto. If =
anyone is interested I would like some die hard DT fan to take them off =
my hands. I would just like to be reimbursed for my original cost of =
$30.00 each. The seats are row NN pavilion, including a parking pass. I =
saw Dream Theater on the Images and Words tour and they only proved to =
me that they are the premier musical band on the face of the earth. I am =
sure the Toronto show I am attending will just reinforce this statement. =
If anyone is interested please email to ddc@ciaccess.com
Dream Theater, Nightmare Cinema, Liquid Tension Experiment
The Ultimate in Music Gratification
See Ya!
Renderman
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Blues for sale
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980730212856.55918B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> >I ran into a problem tho. Neither, CDNow, CDConnection, CDUniverse, or
> >MusicBlvd carry his cd's. CDNow did have some instructional video of his,
> >but that ain;t what I want. My question is, is there another online shop
> >that you folks know of that carry Saraceno titles. Thanx for any info you
> >provide.
> >
I don't know about on-line shops, but I'm looking to get rid of his album
"Hairpick." Anyone that's interested, drop me a line.
Richie
P.S. Sorry for the lack of DTC.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:49:18 EDT
From: Cooz33@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4117
Message-ID: <b63bbb9b.35c122a0@aol.com>
Hey whats up
does anybody know where i can score a cd copy of D.T's roxy show in boston
i believe the disc is called FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS IF ANY ONE HAS INFORMATION
PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT COOZ33@AOL.COM
THANKS
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:53:32 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Movies (well, not at all really)
Message-ID: <19980731015047.QDKW5585@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Moo-man said:
> How many times can you hear someone play 64th
>notes at 200 bpm and not get jaded?
Precisely the reason I only own one Yngwie album. :) Though I must confess
to owning every Megadeth and DT CD. However, Marty and JP have both cut
back on the shred factor, IMHO. Cryptic Writings (don't know if you've
heard it) has some very interesting solos. Marty used to just impress me,
now he's gotten interesting. And as for JP, I can listen to him shred all
day and night. Just as liking Deep Impact was my guilty pleasure, so will
DT always be...
And even though it has been answered in different fashions, here is
Stodgers, the Ytse-Grammar Brown-Shirt, with the answer to your Explorers
Club queries. As written, it could mean one of two things, either it is a
Club of Explorers (no apostrophe needed), or as someone mentioned Club
could be a verb (interesting interpretation, btw). Had they wanted it to be
possessive plural, as mentioned, the apostrophe would come AFTER the "s".
If it were possessive singular, the apostrophe would come BEFORE the "s".
For a similar example, see The James Gang, no apostrophes (a gang of
Jameses).
Stodge
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:33:46 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Movies (well, not at all really)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980730233236.25988A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Thomas Forcier wrote:
> As written, it could mean one of two things, either it is a Club of
> Explorers (no apostrophe needed)
Why no apostrophe needed in this case??
Curiously yours, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:52:04 -0400 From: "AnathemA" <anathema@%ibbs.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: [sigh] LTE. Attn, Jon Parmet Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.11372.18467@bbs.ibbs.com>
Jon Parmet Said: Come back when you can spontanesouly jam for over 28 minutes and keep from tripping over yourself, let alone stay on key/beat. Till then, sit the fook back down :)
Being a jazz musician, I do that for HOURS not minutes 3 times a week. But appearantly you can't.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:43:30 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Emotional songs (The 'Tage) Message-ID: <35C13D62.4565350D@home.com>
> >.. fuck.. almost ALL of "Streets" > YESSSS!! Y'know, I was just listening to that > yesterday...wowowowowowow.... how about "this isn't what we meant" off DWD, > or "One Child.." that one sets me going always...
I completely know what you mean. Those songs are amazing.
What REALLY gets me though is the combination of "This is the Time (1990)", which is about the elation of the Yugoslavian people with the fall of the Berlin Wall and communism, and "This Isn't What We Meant" which takes place 4 years later with an old man returning to the city of his birth (Sarajevo) and finding it in ruins. He looks to the heavens and explains to God that when the Yugoslavians prayed for change, this violence is not what they intended.
It's really emotional how positive "This is the Time (1990)" is, and then the reality and bitter disappointment sets in in "This Isn't What Me Meant".
Another heart-wrencher is the tribute to Criss Oliva - "Alone You Breathe". I feel like "I" lost a brother when I hear this one.
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:47:23 EDT From: WhoFooldU@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a couple prog titles for sale Message-ID: <a9e14b41.35c13e4c@aol.com>
If there is any interest in these titles, e-mail in private please.
Divine Regale - Ocean Mind $6 Magellan - Hour of Restoration $9 Echolyn - As the World $7
Shipping is included in price. At least for anyone in the US.
thanks
Glenn
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:53:29 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AOI! WTF? Message-ID: <35C13FB9.410B0B01@home.com>
Okay, WHAT THE FUCK?
I had a copy of AOI reserved at Borders, and it never came in. So I called around. I LITERALLY went to and called approx. 12 places, and 8 of them said they pushed the release date back, one had absolutely no clue, one didn't order any, and the other two said they THOUGHT they got it in and sold it, but they weren't sure.
WHERE THE HELL are you guys getting it at? BTW - as of Friday night, STILL nobody had it.
Is anybody else here experiencing problems? (I'm in the Detroit area).
- Joe D.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:08:34 +0000 From: "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Who's ripping who:DT/Watchtower Message-ID: <199807310336.UAA13618@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> From: jogopogo@freemail.nl > 2:Has anyone ever heard Watchtower's Control And Resistance-album? > If not, buy it. It's the most technical music you will ever hear. Sadly it is to technical to have ever become real popular, I think. Yeah, I believe you're right. hehe...or maybe it was that vocalist they used. Man...I wonder who thought he'd make a good vocalist?:) > In the song The Fall Of Reason, track 4, at approx. 3:09, there's a basspart starting, containing all harmonics(flageolets)wich remembered me of the beginning of 'The ones who helped set the sun' by > Did anyone else notice that? I think it's even close to being the same notes, only Whatchtower plays four bars of 6/8 followed by four bars of 5/8 measure, DT plays 3x's 5/8, one 7/8 and then four ba > These album's both came out in 1989, so who was first, or is it just a cincidence? > You can download an MP3 off my homepage, containing both fragments mixed behind each other. It could easily be one song. > Download it if you don't know Watchtower, or just look at my homepage. > It's at http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/Jorrit. I'm one of the losers who downloaded this mp3. Anyway, you got good ears. The similarity is quite striking, and I never noticed it before. As for who stole whose riff, shit, I dunno. Like a lot of other things, it's prolly just coincidence. Or, if you'd like a more interesting explanation, Myung and Keyser were probably twins separated at birth who were humming this particular riff and were so blown away by what each of them had just created that they forgot to watch where they were going and they accidentally fell into the same water-fountain at the same moment in Central Park on a lovely summer day back in '89. Of course, they never saw each other, but each was so struck by that particular riff that each of them never forgot it and it ended up on their next CDs. But it's prolly just coincidence.
Younis Hilal--------------------yhilal@lightspeed.net AKA "YoonDog"
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:08:34 +0000 From: "Younis Hilal" <yhilal@lightspeed.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Explorer's Club/Bozzio Message-ID: <199807310336.UAA13629@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> From: Andrew James Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > > > Well, some of the stuff (a lot) is technically difficult, I will give you > > that, in a performance standpoint, but I guess I am more interested in > > drum pyrotechnics ala Mike Portnoy, who is quite a bit flashier in his > > What do you mean by drum pyrotechnics? To my ears, there's a whole lot > more going on in tracks 1 and 5 of AOI than there is in most of LTE. I Yeah, well, you may be right about that. Need to do a note-for-note comparison to be sure, of course:).
> Think about this. Would the Bozzio performance stand out more if it had > the same sound as MP's on LTE? Mixed by Kevin Shirley? Bozzio's drums > totally get lost half the time, especially his high toms and some of the > alternating bits on the high hats and cymbals. I think you nailed the problem right there. Everybody cut poor Scott some slack, man! Bozzio's playing is HARD to hear! I picked up on maybe 15-20% of the stuff he was doing on the first few listens. (I've been listening to the CD at work, so I can't be seen staring at the wall with my headset on, listening to the music, hehehe. Daddy's gotta WORK!). Hell, just based on my first few impressions, I was thinking the same thing that Scott was: "Bozzio, man, where's your chops?" Well, needless to say, they were there. I just had to listen HARDER. Who in the hell did the mixing for this CD anyway? (I don't have the CD in front of me, so I can't answer.) Did Bozzio do something to piss off the engineer? Why is his playing so hard to hear? Christ...spend all this time enduring the hype for this CD, and I have to put up with bass drums that don't even cut through the mix at times (read: I can't fuckin' hear 'em!). Shit, at times, even his snare is hard to hear. And I'm still not convinced that Bozzio even bothered using hi-hats on this CD. Well, he probably did; maybe I'll notice it next week or something. Anyway, to answer your question, Andrew, YES, I would very much have preferred that Shirley handle the mix for this CD, considering how it turned out.
Well, that's my only gripe with this CD (kind of a big one, though; Bozzio was the single biggest reason why I bought this CD). Well, maybe not the ONLY one: my only other gripe is the ballad, but that's not such a biggie. Ballads are a fact of life:).
Well, can't complain too much, I guess. You don't get collaborations like this every week, so I guess I should be thankful that Sheehan and Bozzio got together. "Dream rhythm section", indeed!
Younis Hilal--------------------yhilal@lightspeed.net AKA "YoonDog"
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:34:21 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Attention Jammers going to Hampton Beach Show next Sat. night. Message-ID: <51de1210.35c1494e@aol.com>
To all interested: My friends and I would like you to know where to find us at the show. We will be in Row E, seats 10-21 We'll be the load crew drinking lots of brew! Anyways, if someone can think of a good place to meet up before the show, I think it'd be really cool if we did... Or maybe after : ) DROP ME A LINE IF YOU'LL BE ATTENDING THE SHOW. Later, J
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:59:31 PDT From: "Steven Dob" <brachett@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Live CD set . . . Message-ID: <19980731045932.27094.qmail@hotmail.com>
Thought of During a minute moment of lucidity amidst an insane situation:
Okay, we all know by now the news that Rush has a new live CD set coming out. Does anyone know what the track list is going to be? Particularly the 1979 disk? This is a mystery that I am dying to solve. And slap me silly with tofu noodles for asking this, but does anyone know what tracks are going to be on the DT live CD?
Finally, does anyone know where I left the bag of cookies I bought yesterday?
The cookie problem is of utmost importance!
Thanks!
Steve
Attitude is not everything - Prog is.
Steven G. Dob - Wolf in absentia
"Sieze the day and don't you cry Now it's time to say good-bye Even thought I'll be gone I will live on"
A Change of Seasons . . . 'Nuff said
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:20:36 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Explorers Club Message-ID: <003f01bdbc43$4c735720$1c0d84d0@korgx3>
Sucks (see subject)
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:14:31 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seriously (EC: AOI) Message-ID: <004401bdbc4a$82afc100$1c0d84d0@korgx3>
While I will firstly admit to buying this album more out of curiosity rather than any devotion to members of bands I like (and some I've never hear of), I'll secondly admit that it's pretty good. The songwiting was basically very solid (for prog anyway) which surprised me because I think Trent's typical songwriting style sucks. (At least I thought Impending Ascension did).The songs all kick ass, which is a key factor in enjoying an album, I think. :)
The diversity of musicians adds tremendously to the flow of the music. It keeps it alive and refreshingly new with every minute of the song. Here a JP solo, there a Murphy solo, etc... The musicianship is great and the emotion is there fully as well. I love the work put into this album. It's incredible. Is it me or did LaBrie just shine on this album? I still like his vocals best although that D.C Cooper (who's he with aynway?) and Matt Bradley kicked ass, too. I seriously thought that JP's solos during Impact 2 (my favorite impact) were the best by far on the whole album. :) I'm a sucker for that slow Steve Howe's Gravy.
My only gripe about the album (and it must have been due to budget) was the mix. Where's Kevin Shirley when you need him? At times the bass is too loud, then it's indiscernable, and the drums were too dead the whole way through. And listening with headphones i get way too much fuzz coming from the guitars and vocals. probably just typical high-end static. Overall I think the production is rather disappointing.
Hopefully, if there is another EC album, it will sound as good as it sounds. :) Take care, folks! Guess what's playing. :) --KorgX3
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:29:38 EDT From: Nshsunsfan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Digest 4106 Message-ID: <6d6aefee.35c16454@aol.com>
Hey Jammers,
Please do me a favor and forward digest 4106 directly to nshsunsfan@aol.com. It was not attached as indicated.
Thanks.
Nikki
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 98 23:57:34 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Seriously (EC: AOI) Message-ID: <199807310658.XAA19541@hevanet.com>
>his vocals best although that D.C Cooper (who's he with aynway?) and Matt
He's with Royal Hunt...on their latest (and best, so I've heard) album "Paradox". This album's fairly easy to find...it's in most Tower Records, etc... And it's also amazing and highly recommended. Great harmonies, keyboards, everything. He's also on their 1996 live set appropriately titled "1996." I don't have this album yet.
>My only gripe about the album (and it must have been due to budget) was the >mix. Where's Kevin Shirley when you need him? At times the bass is too
Amen!
Later, Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ If classical music is the state of the art, then the arts are in a sad state. -FZ
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:22:36 EDT From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4119 Message-ID: <277e6161.35c170bd@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/31/98 6:01:16 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ytsejam@ax.com wr= ites:
<< Question for Uncle Mikey: Any word on whether the WEA crime family will be gracious enough to offe= r "5 Years..." on DVD? That would fucking rule!! Thanks. Trevin >>
What would rule even more is if you guys took advantage of the multiple c= amera=0Aangles available on DVD..Like a camera on each of the guys throug= ht the=0Avideo..maybe like 4 cameras on mike for each limb so us drummers= can study=0Ayour each and every move hahaha =3D=DE Now that would FUCK= IN RULE!!!
~ESH~ http://members.aol.com/DrummerEsh/FrameSet1.html=0A
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