YTSEJAM Digest 4113
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
by "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
by "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com>
3) re: sad songs, moody songs
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Petrucci screwups
by GuitarX777@aol.com
5) My Fave Solos
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
6) thunderkissin' my soul
by Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
7) A certain DT collectible for sale.
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
8) Sad Songs...
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
9) Sad songs..
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4112
by Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu>
11) Re: keyboards
by ShadowBor@aol.com
12) lots of stuff
by Madsag@aol.com
13) Re: Mickey/Sad Songs
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
14) Tori's sad songs
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
15) Re: more sad songs
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
16) How To Create Original Products You Can Market Online
by advert@netalive.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:40:05 +0000
From: "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
Message-ID: <35BD8053.18804DC0@mindspring.com>
As any good person knows, the most realistic war film is HOT SHOTS!
So there.
- Scott
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:44:27 +0000
From: "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
Message-ID: <35BD8158.66514F2@mindspring.com>
I can't believe no one mentioned 'Islands in the Stream' by Fates.
That's a relatively depressing tune, with intense performances
all the way around. Lyrically, very artistic and dramatic.
- Scott M.
"I knew a kid once who killed another kid"
- "What's his name?"
"His name is Buddy Revell!"
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:56:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: sad songs, moody songs
Message-ID: <19980728235619.29522.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> wrote;
> but when i listen to "The Cure" I get a very dark form of
> sadness. A good mood album by them is "Disintigration". That's
about as
> gloomy as an album can get (and a good example that great music can be
I forgot all about that one. "Disintegration" is definately a classic.
Since we're on this category, Depeche Mode "Violator" is another "best
of genre".
Sade has some great mood songs. Her songs usually are pretty "strings"
synth heavy, similar to some of Kevin Moore's playing.
And since we have heard Elton John's name thrown around so much (since
Anna Lee), I might add that Elton had some good somber songs. One of
my favorites was "I've Seen That Movie Too" on the Goodbye Yellow
Brick Road album. A great sad song. Maybe DS can play that one for us...
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:48:00 EDT
From: GuitarX777@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci screwups
Message-ID: <8c29d400.35be7141@aol.com>
<< I'm sitting here listening to Stream of Consciousness and I realized that
every time I hear Petrucci screw-up, it's usually on an easy part. He
screws up pretty bad during the keyboard solo in BMS, and again during the
first heavy part in PMU. Don't get me wrong, the guy is still my fave
guitarist, but I find it a little odd. I don't think I've heard him
screw up on the parts requiring great technical proficiency, just simple
rhythms. Comments and opinions? >>
Well, I don't own Stream of Consciousness, but I'm aware of the phenomenon
you're referring to. It seems that when I'm playing faster and/or more
rythmically complex stuff, the transition to simpler passages can be quite
nervewracking, causing me to second guess myself rythmically. It's really kind
of funny when it's not in a live performance context. Anyone agree?
Chris (the Stunt Guitarist)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:52:32 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My Fave Solos
Message-ID: <003601bdba8b$d15b8b60$310d84d0@korgx3>
Fuck, I must live in a hole (oh, yah, I do), cuz I've never really heard
that many drum solos. Here's my picks anyway:
--Mike Portnoy, for the fucked up By Demons Be Driven drum solo in the
middle of the Ytsejam off of the Live in Tokyo vid.
--Neil Peart for that awesome all tweaked out solo during the Test for Echo
tour. Gotta love the way he incorporates his little xylophone next to him.
--Neil Peart again for the solo during YYZ on the Exit Stage Left album.
--Joel Taylor's kickass solo during Yanni's Tribute World tour.
--My friend Matt just dickin' around on his drumset one day waiting for his
girlfriend to show up.
Honorable mention: Alex Van Halen during the Balance tour.
As for favorite keyboard solos: (I know, I'm late on this one)
--Ming Freeman at the end of Waltz in 7/8 (Yanni: Tribute)
--Yanni, Nostalgia (Live at the Acropolis)
--Bradley Joseph, (Rapture, the whole album)
--Kevin Moore, Take the Time
--Derek Sherinian, Deep in Heaven
--Andrew Miller, Vicious Cycle (Subtlerage)
--David Paich, Africa, Rosanna (Toto)
I can't think of any bass solos I've heard that kicked my ass. I guess the
closest thing I can put is Ric Fierabracci's kickass solos during Yanni's
Live at the Acropolis and Tribute albums. Then there's Geddy's YYZ stuff.
Needless to say, I still love Cliff Burton's Anasthesia. Ever notice how
alot of bass players try soloing and make themselves look like lamers?
Say.... Jason Newstead and Michael Anthony? They'd be better off leaving
it out of the show. :)
And there's so many guitar solos I love I'm not going there. I'd fill up a
whole freakin' digest.
--We are the Korg, you will be arpegiated.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:11:38 -0500
From: Justin James <jsj@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: thunderkissin' my soul
Message-ID: <35BE76CA.679DB9F1@ix.netcom.com>
> the comparison to burning my soul and white zombie thunderkiss '69 (such
> the vintage year)
>
actually, the song is thunderkiss '65 (not such a vintage year :-) except of
course to Rob Zombie, cause that's the year he was born
Justin James
jsj@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:14:12 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A certain DT collectible for sale.
Message-ID: <35BE8574.1A3C@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
Dammit, I don't want to sell this, but I am now $200 away from opening
my store, and I can almost taste it!!
I have a Dreambill, signed by the entire band. (The sloppy signature on
the side looks more like Derek's than Kevin's, but with something like
this, I ain't picky.) Dreambill, for those who didn't know, was a
one-of-a-kind thing that was given out at the 3/4/93 Limelight show in
New York City, the one where they first played ACOS publicly. It's
framed and such... it has a bio of the band inside, comparing them to
such bands as Rush, Metallica, and Yes. Many of you may have seen this
very Dreambill on my web page where I had it posted for a time. The guys
in the band were VERY kind to me when I asked them to sign it, it was
the first time I had ever met them (Tucson '94) and they were as
surprised to see it as I was to meet them! :)
First reasonable offer takes it. I have NO IDEA what something like this
is worth to a DT fan. To me, it's priceless... but so is my child's
future. (Melissa is due in January). Given the choice between my own son
or daughter and a DT keepsake, I'm afraid the baby wins out. :)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:48:22 -0400 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sad Songs... Message-ID: <01BDBA7A.67A22D20@ppp-05-ts26.nerdc.ufl.edu>
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I have some pretty obscure artists that make some really true to the = heart sad songs. Definately Bonnie Raitt's "I can't make you love me" = tops the list but Level 42's "With a Little Love" from the Guaranteed = album is one hell of a tune too. For a real work of art in the emotion = area, try Pat Metheney's "Secret Story". =20
d a u s s t u d e n b e r g=20
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:31:12 -0400 From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sad songs.. Message-ID: <19980728.233113.14054.1.ed_wilk@juno.com>
Hmm.. okay, I've got some that I don't think I've seen yet..
Savatage- When the Crowds Are Gone (Live, with Zakk and Jon swapping lines..) More 'Tage- Not What You See, St. Patrick's, Somewhere in Time, If I Go Away.. fuck.. almost ALL of "Streets" DT- ACOS.. yeah, yeah, it's been mentioned.. but I don't think anyone's specified the "Please Don't Go!" version ;) Viper- Moonlight Marillion- Estonia Pearl Jam- Release, definitely.. can't believe no one mentioned this gem off of Ten.
Ed-San
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:07:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo <kremoc@river.it.gvsu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4112 Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.980728235349.13870A-100000@river.it.gvsu.edu>
> Chris commented on John Petrucci's accuracy with: > > > I don't think I've heard him > > screw up on the parts requiring great technical proficiency, just simple > > rhythms. Comments and opinions? > > Speaking as a guitarist (or any musician), there is a simple reason why ALL US > MUSICIAN'S screw up the easy parts and nail the difficult runs. I know that > after I have played a song "x" amount of times with a band - you start to go > into auto pilot mode. The auto pilot mode usually switches to manual for the > parts that require a little more concentration (although you can even play > amazingly difficult parts on auto pilot after so many repetitions).
I never realized this in that context before. When I'm learning a song, I always screw up a lot in the beginning, but end up in "lock" mode. My band has been playing the same set for a while now that I never mess up the easy stuff. I know when I have to really be on the ball, and I still make some mistakes on the hard stuff, mostly because I like to push myself and bring that "am I gonna pull this off" element into it. But the easy stuff always goes smooth.
Actually after listening to SoC again, I think the mistake I mentioned in PMU is not a mistake, rather of misalignment of different RA sources made to patch up a certain part. Anyways, I guess my brain just works differently. Ciao.
-C#
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:32:52 EDT From: ShadowBor@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: keyboards Message-ID: <35909de2.35bea5f5@aol.com>
In Ytse Jam 4102 Shai Yallen replied to someone else noting that if you want to learn classical or jazz keyboard playing styles, you can find a teacher pretty easily. But if you want to play progressive rock/metal, for example, you have to buy CD's and figure it all out on your own.
Well, I would have to agree. I'll be in my senior year at the "mighty" Berklee College of Music this fall, and it's a pain in the ass being into metal there. I mean, it's cool because it is possible to find ways to apply all the jazz stuff and everything else they teach to my kind of music (prog. rock and metal, heavy metal, hard rock), but most of it has to be done on my own time. The students are pretty divided more or less equally(although I would say more jazz than metal/rock), I guess, but the faculty and the courses are very geared towards jazz, and that really pisses me off. I mean, if you're paying $24K per year, then I suppose it's good to be taught/introduced to other kinds of music to become a rounded player, as far as at least being aware of the other styles there are. But I hate the way a lot of teachers look down upon metal and rock there. They think jazz should be lived and breathed (not all of them, but at least 3/4's). Jazz is great and all, I like some of it, but it's no better or worse than any other kind of music. Everybody likes their music just as much as we like whatever we might listen to. If I had my way, I'd be taking all kinds of classes that show various ways to blend the keyboards with guitar and bass (metal and rock styles-and not the cheesy shit that most Berklee jazz people think rock and metal is)...they have this to some extent, but not really. I mean, it's cool that I have to figure it all out for the sake that when I finally get my own recognized keyboard style, I can be proud of the fact that I did all the work myself...but it slows a guy down. Just my opinion. There's a lot that can be done with keyboards besides just playing chords, rhythm figures, and solos.
Rob
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:10:18 EDT From: Madsag@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: lots of stuff Message-ID: <abf90c28.35beaebb@aol.com>
playing catch-up on jams causes me to condense:
jon k wrote:
>>Hey now, M20 is a pretty damn good band. Along with 3EB, Creed, Live, Pearl Jam and others, Matchbox20 is on top of the pile that I listen to when I dont want to have to sit and think and stand in awe of the talent streaming through my brain. They write catchy, groovy little tunes.<<
oh jon. if you are looking for catchy groovy, run out RIGHT NOW and pick up the cd "wonderful life" by the band THE TORIES. it will groove you ass right out of your chair. i saw them live on the 4th of july and they are just as good. KILLER vocal harmonies, killer catchy hooks, if you like jellyfish you will LOVE THEM.
on sad songs, jim b wrote:
>>I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Tori Amos when it comes to sad songs... she's got a ton of 'em. She's even getting some widespread acceptance with her latest album (looks like it was a good career move to start fronting a band).<<
if you want sad, go get Little Earthquakes, the whole cd will move you. if it doesnt, well, you must be an android. heh.
>>Anybody have a thought as to which song is her saddest?<<
right now, id say "merman". its about her child she miscarried (as most of her new album is) but its like a lullaby, and its the most sad thing ive heard in a long time. "me and a gun" is pretty heavy duty too. also, china, winter, baker baker, silent all these years, marianne.......i could go on and on.
as far as other sad (for me meaning "making me misty eyed, melancholy, or depressed") songs to me, id say:
space dye vest - DT ice - sarah mclachlan fragile - sting killing words - QR, particularly the mtv unplugged version talk show host - radiohead sorry seems to be the hardest word - elton john the part of APSOG (cant remember the number) "where you are, i am" that whole section - Fates the show must go on - queen down in a hole - alice in chains timothy - dada
take care yall melissa ~madsag@aol.com~
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:49:28 -0500 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mickey/Sad Songs Message-ID: <199807290546.WAA21330@odin.ax.com>
> I know today is going to suck so I've decided to share the misery through > the power of suggestion... "Oh Mickey you're so fine You're so fine you > blow my mind Hey Mickey! He he he he he! > Go ahead, try to prevent that song from going through you head. Hehe, yeah, thanks, man, but ever since I saw Toni Basil play a hooker in Easy Rider, I can't think of that song the same :).
On the subject of sad songs:
For me, "American Babylon" by Saviour Machine does it for me.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:02:50 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tori's sad songs Message-ID: <35BEBB0A.F8E19F5E@winshop.com.au>
Jim wrote:
> I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Tori Amos when it comes to sad > songs... she's got a ton of 'em.
> Anybody have a thought as to which song is her saddest?
Hmmm, I'm gonna say Winter. I'm not really sure if I would call it sad, but definately very emotionally stirring in the direction opposite to 'happy' anyway.
Also one song I find truly sad in a 'glacial' kind of way - Celestial Haze by Lemur Voice. Not really a song is it? More of an interludey thing but ssssssad nevertheless.
And Dante's Prayer by Loreena McKennit from Book Of Secrets is a bit of tear-jerker too.
Then Brian wrote:
> With regards to Braveheart, I haven't looked into it myself but my > History of British Isles prof last spring said that he couldn't even > sit through the whole thing because it's so historically inaccurate.
True, apparently alot people who saw the film who were previously familiar with the story of William Wallace and other relevent episodes in british/scottish history were appauled at how historically inaccurate the film was.
Honestly I couldn't give a shit - it was still a bloody good flick.
> Personally, it's in my top five faves of all time. :)
Hear, hear.
My grandfather, as well as being shocked at the regular graphic violence, was disgusted in this film because of it's historical inaccuracy. "There was never any evidence of him being married!" he exclaimed. "But the film depicted him being married in secret, how could it have been documented by historians?", I replied. He didn't answer after that. Forget the whinges, Braveheart is a filth movie - accurate or inaccurate.
Cheerin'
Luke.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:20:17 -0500 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: more sad songs Message-ID: <199807290617.XAA21619@odin.ax.com>
A couple more sad songs: "Alone You Breathe," by Savatage "Comfortably Numb" and "Wish You Were Here," by Pink Floyd
Went to Ozz Fest last Sat. in St. Louis. Met Pat Griffin (cool guy). Dug Megadeth, Life of Agony, and Ozzy. Biggest disappointment was Tool. Their music sounded good, but I found them boring as far as their presentation went. I guess I had high expectations. Limp Bizkit, on the other hand knew how to work the crowd, but I didn't care for their music. Snot was okay. Incubus sounds better on their album, though they did put some energy into their set. Soulfly sounded good, but I was chilling out at the time, so I wasn't into it as much as I would've liked. I'm not a big Motorhead fan, but it was good seeing Lemmy up there doing what he does best.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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