YTSEJAM Digest 4111
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Sad song
by Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
2) Re: sad songs
by AL <al@isd.net>
3) Deep Ytse thoughts.....
by AL <al@isd.net>
4) Yes indeed
by someone@enteract.com
5) Re: Petrucci screwups
by Marc van der Wal <bigpapa@dds.nl>
6) Mike Portnoy
by krackley@weidmuller.com
7) RE: Terry Bozzio and The Knack?!?!?!?
by krackley@weidmuller.com
8) Sad songs, drum solos, top programs
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
9) g2
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Re: Deep Ytse thoughts.....
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
11) RE: age of impact : do not use RealPlayer G2
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com>
12) Re:ripping off/TAMP
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
13) Re: Terry Bozzio and The Knack?!?!?!?
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
14) Re: Sad Songs
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
15) Re: Sportsjam. Again?
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
16) Portnoy Clinic in Louisville
by John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com>
17) Re: Sad Songs....
by Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com>
18) new email addy
by Bezerk01@aol.com
19) Petrucci "screwups"
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:21:01 +0300
From: Sorsa Tanja <Tanja.Sorsa@avena.fi>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: Sad song
Message-ID: <F12B2785885AD1118687000629866EED0AFAC0@AVENAEXC>
Finnish band Waltari actually has a song called "Sad Song"... not very
sad tho...
[someone wise said]
> >"Black" by Pearl jam (yes here I go with the alternastuff you guys
> dont
> >like). That song tears me apart EVERY time I listen, especially the
> live
> >performances. it is close to a perfect song IMHO.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Absolutely heartbreakin'. I don't care
what the song is about, it still manages to make me cry after all these
years. I haven't been fortunate enough to see them live, but judging by
bootlegs and MTV unplugged, it's even better live. Full of feeling.
Another song that touches me almost as much is THE GATHERING's "Sand and
Mercury", as well as "In motion #1". Hell, the whole 'Mandylion' album!
I find myself listening to it over and over again, it has got a strange
effect on me. :'-(
Stratovarius' "Forever" is a very beautiful, maybe not so sad song, that
never leaves me cold... Fates' "APSOG" has very tearful parts... Many
other songs do too. I might be a bit emotional... Man, even "Take the
time" made me cry when I saw DT live in June. *laugh*
Tan aka Tenze
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http://members.tripod.com/~Tenze/
tenze@hotmail.com ~ tanja.sorsa@avena.fi
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 05:08:42 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: sad songs
Message-ID: <35BDA32A.E89F4522@isd.net>
Ayreon@webtv.net wrote:
>Both ACOS and Take Away My Pain have moved me to tears. Awesome song
>writing and strong vocal performances did the trick.\
Have you heard the demo of TAMP? That should start a small river.
If you've never heard the demo, download it from http://progmetal.gmsnet.com/
Go to the Ear Candy section, then Dream Theater. Many more MP3's as well.
I am assuming you have a multimedia computer powerful enough to
reproduce MP3 files correctly. If not, buy a new computer... It would be
worth it just to hear that alone! By the way... Don't hang your melon over
the keyboard while you're listening to the demo.
I can hear the keyboard controller sizzling now...
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE ProgtologistSwitchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 05:24:58 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Deep Ytse thoughts..... Message-ID: <35BDA6FA.1068BD14@isd.net>
I know today is going to suck so I've decided to share the misery through the power of suggestion... "Oh Mickey you're so fine You're so fine you blow my mind Hey Mickey! He he he he he! Go ahead, try to prevent that song from going through you head.
Hey Mickey!
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:57:39 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes indeed Message-ID: <199807281250.HAA05519@oats.farm.niu.edu>
Terry Bozzio IS indeed playing with The Knack right now. Quite a shocker, eh?
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:12:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Marc van der Wal <bigpapa@dds.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Petrucci screwups Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.90.980728150006.27387D-100000@fatima.dds.nl>
Op Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Christian P Kremo schreef:
> I'm sitting here listening to Stream of Consciousness and I realized that > every time I hear Petrucci screw-up, it's usually on an easy part. He
Well, maybe he concentrates more on the technical parts, because these are harder to play correctly. I don't think it's possible to keep fully concentrated on your playing for two or three straight hours. So maybe that's why he occassionally screws up some parts.
I think everybody makes mistakes; I think it's more interesting to hear how Petrucci is able to correct himself and keep playing along with the song afterwards. Which is very though to learn; when I screw up playing piano, I always get distracted, so the result gets even more noticable.
Marc
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:49:11 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <199807281349.JAA00087@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Ville wrote: > What are your favorite drum solos?
Virgil Donati - Slippery Banana from the Modern Drummer HOT TRAX CD
Mike Portnoy - from the Live video, I still become a zombie when I watch this one
Peter Criss - KISS ALIVE I - I love the way Paul Stanley talks to the crowd and Peter responds (call me old fashioned, no chops whatsoever, first drum solo I ever heard)
Terry Bozzio - anything from his new album "Drawing the Circle"
More, more, more
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:08:56 -0400 From: krackley@weidmuller.com Subject: RE: Terry Bozzio and The Knack?!?!?!? Message-ID: <199807281408.KAA00143@mail.weidmuller.com>
I'm afraid it's true, at least he played in the studio with them. When I was at his last clinic, he mentioned playing for them on their next studio album. He said he was having a great time playing with them. Their new stuff kind of has a Zappa feel to it, he says.
Sorry to disappoint.
Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/
"And I try to burn the world With words I cannot say Don't you wish that I had better things for you I know it's not enough to play The games have all become a myriad Of tears and who's to blame No one's led you to the promised land But you weren't lead astray" - Soul Reason - Stop the Rain
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sad songs, drum solos, top programs Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980728102505.14838B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Gabriel F. remarked: > My favorite sad songs are Savatage`s Believe and a Litlle too far, > Specially when sung live by Jon Oliva
I *have* to second "Believe". There were tears in Jon's eyes when they played this one at the Marietta show a month back. Also I think "Alone You Breathe" is a tremendously moving song.
Myself, Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" gets me every time (old memories, don't ya know).
FiveNGrok said one of his fave drum solos was: > - Tesla - "Don't de-rock me" (don't know their drummer's name, only have it > on tape)
That would be Troy Luckketta. Troy was one of the more underrated drummers of the 80's metal age.
Hammerfall flashback: "You're welcome to the metal AAAAAAAAAGE!!!!"
Ahem...
Al, the YtseProgtologist, remarked: > Alabama: The land where "Redneck Rampage" has held the #1 position > in software sales for nine months. Windows 98 is a distant second.
And in Georgia, here, the leading title is "Deer Hunter". Kind of scary, isn't it? The local Best Buy can't keep it on the shelves. Meanwhile great titles like Total Annihilation go overlooked. *sigh*
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Tech Support Manager, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Iron Maiden -- "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son"
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: g2 Message-ID: <199807281448.KAA07972@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Real Audio G2 was working just fine for me. I did need to lower the connection speed down a bit to get it to stop pausing but then it was just dandy. Options -> Preferences -> Connection. Then set your min and max to 28.8 or 19.2 or whatever it takes to get a clean signal. Sounds is still decent even at 19.2 setting.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Deep Ytse thoughts..... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980728082916.8256A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, AL cursed the jam, then chuckled:
> >Go ahead, try to prevent that song from going through you head. >
You, sir, are dispicable. May the fleas of a thousand camels inhabit your... ("Hey Mickey! Hey Mickey!") Arrrgh! Song... too... catchy...
(huff, huff) Youcanfeelthewindscomingon...letthemdestroyyouorcarryyouon... Ah... much better.
Your karma's at an all-time low...
> > >Hey Mickey! >
Oh God, nooooo!
Oh... a quickie addition to the dead ripoff thread. At 4:05 or so of Candlelight Fantasia (Symphony X), listen to the rhythm guitar under the solo -- Ytse Jam, anyone? ^_^
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:47:24 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@pressroom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: age of impact : do not use RealPlayer G2 Message-ID: <199807281558.IAA09910@odin.ax.com>
>Do not use RealPlayer G2 (new beta release), not for anything and >especially not to try and hear Age of Impact. Not only is it slow and >a cpu-hog, but no matter what you set in your preferences it tries to >run Age of Impact at 81kbps. This is fine if you are on a T3, but >if you're on a modem it means you wait for several minutes and listen to >20 seconds, then repeat. Quality's pretty good, though.
Funny, I downloaded it last night and had no problems listening to Age of Impact with G2. I don't have a bleeding-edge system either (28.8 connection p166 64MB RAM...) I guess your milege may vary. I do recommend it, tho if you can run it, because the sound quality is SO much better. I played it both with 5 and G2 and I will never go back to 5.
Jason Birzer "The Longshot"
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:15:35 +0200 From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:ripping off/TAMP Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980728161535.006896cc@unet.univie.ac.at>
to say the album version sounds like shit is very unfair. but i agree that the demo has much more power (wrote that before on the list...). still ithink its a very personal song, so to tell its shit wont be funny for john... :(
watch your words
"Is it for this that daddy died" (Roger Waters, The final cut)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Terry Bozzio and The Knack?!?!?!? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980728091939.2474A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
> From: cherylcat@earthlink.net
> > OK, I admit that I often scan through most posts without reading them, > so I have no idea if this has been addressed. I saw an ad in the L.A. > Weekly for the Knack playing at the Troubador in September. The ad > showed that Terry Bozzio was part of the band. Is this true? Please tell > me he hasn't bowed this low.......... >
Either that or it's a damn good look alike. I saw the new CD the other day, and something on the cover caught my eye. The cover has a band pic, and the drummer is poking his head out from behind a tiny drumkit, can't remember the name of the album though. Anyway, I was thinking to myself, "Hey, that's Terry Bozzio", and I had meant to ask about it on the jam, but always forgot to do so.
On another note, since I work at a music store, I was able to preview the Explorers Club CD last night at work. Let me just say, this CD smokes! Everyone is going to love this thing. And that lead singer from Dali's Dilemma is friggin' awesome. Nuff said.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:43:58 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sad Songs Message-ID: <199807281643.JAA51892@pdx108.pdx.intel.com>
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Tori Amos when it comes to sad songs... she's got a ton of 'em. She's even getting some widespread acceptance with her latest album (looks like it was a good career move to start fronting a band).
Anybody have a thought as to which song is her saddest?
Jim
P.S. Anybody see her on Dave last night? That was an interesting look she had. Did she WANT to look like a banshee from hell? 8^)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:42:58 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sportsjam. Again? Message-ID: <v01510104b1e3b87c2a95@[194.7.231.76]>
>>I don't see how wearing the Niners jersey would help you learn >>anything about football at all. Now, a Giants jersey... :) > > >AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! >You know. > >Pat vs. Al was nothing. >Korg vs. the world is everything.
Tell me about it. What's next? Start of the basketball season? Please, not that again! (courtesy of Living Colour)
> >--We are the Korg, you will be arpeggiated.
Yeah, at 220 BPM (beatings per microsecond)
FiveNgroK
CP: Scorpions - Tokyo Tapes (Uli Roth kicks major butt !)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks <jpyyz@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Portnoy Clinic in Louisville Message-ID: <19980728174143.7177.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com>
Hey there Jammers. Last night I got to witness the Man himself shred on the drums up In Louisville. If you get a chance to see Portnoy in one of these clinics make sure you go. I would have glady paid more than the $5 it cost to get in. He talked alot about time sigs like how 4/4 is the same as 8/8 and 16/16. He then proceeded to play some pretty wicked grooves in 7/8 5/8 and (gasp) 19/16!!! It was awsome to say the least. He also played to a few tracks off of LTE and also played to Erotomania. Very very kool. Before the clinic started, the live album was being played. It was one of the best sounding live albums I have ever heard. You won't be let down when it comes out around October.
thats all for now,
== John
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:55:43 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <cdellinger@legato.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sad Songs.... Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980728105543.00b93e60@mail.legato.com>
I know I am late on this one but...
I never really knew how sad the TAMP demo was...until this past week when it was of great comfort to me. It has to be one of the most beautiful and poignant songs I have ever heard....DT at their finest.
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org
Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows
"Fly where your dreams go....." Crystalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:36:02 EDT From: Bezerk01@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new email addy Message-ID: <16ce32b4.35be1a15@aol.com>
Can you please change the address you send this to Bezerk02@aol.com instead of Bezerk01? I was forced to change accounts and computers.
thanks Aaron
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petrucci "screwups" Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.980728142915.7482A-100000@thunder>
Now... I've never listened to any DT Boots, but what are you considering a "screwup"? It may be improvision (spelling in question) on his part... something that I think is a very good quality to have (sometimes the flawless performances of RUSH can get a bit booring - sounding tooo much like the studio version). Perhaps on the technical parts he has no time to improv, but he can in the non-technical parts.
But I am not a guitar player, so I don't know what a "screwup" is.. I just know if it sounds good or not :)
An interesting example.. during Dave Gilmour's Comfortably Numb solo at Yankee Stadium on the 1994 tour, he gave a 8 minute solo which is among the best Ive heard him do. He poured emotion into it, communicating directly through his guitar. It only vaguely sounded like the studio version. But there was about 10 or 20 seconds where he was trying something that didnt really work out. I often felt if they removed that 20 seconds from the song, it would blow away the version that eventually went on the Pulse album, but I digress.
At any rate, on thing which stuck in my mind after my recent DT pilgrimage was their performance of "Trial of Tears". That opening was powerful! Petrucci was playing so beautifully on the guitar and everything molded together.. ahh..it was heaven on earth
and someone mentioned "The Cure" for sad songs. Interesting (I am a pretty big Cure fan)... their songs are more depressing than sad. When I listen to Queensryche's "Someone Else" it feels like I am crying and wailing inside, but when i listen to "The Cure" I get a very dark form of sadness. I good mood album by them is "Disintigration". Thats about as gloomy as an album can get (and a good example that great music can be achieved though artistic songwriting and atmospherics without having the most technical playes in the world). And the songs "Deep green sea" and "apart" off of "wish" are very good as well, with great lyrics!
-Ponte
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