YTSEJAM Digest 4112
Today's Topics:
1)
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
2) re: Treasure Land
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
3) Re: Portnoy Clinic in Louisville
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
4) Re: Petrucci "screwups"
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
5) "plagarism???"
by GuitarX777@aol.com
6) Mike Mangini / Atypical Prog Sighting/Drum Solos/State of Grace burnout
by GuitarX777@aol.com
7) Re: your mail
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) Extreme / Sad songs
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
9) Extreme / Sad songs
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4111
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
11) ISBN
by "Sarmad Ghafoor" <ibanezgem@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Shaving Ryan's Privates (Porno Sequel?)
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
13) Re: what do I know about war
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
by "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
15) Charlie's Rarities Vid
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
16) Re: Hey Mickey / Real Audio G2
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
by Calvin6S@aol.com
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
19) NDTC: Beer For Dolphins 8/1 Cincinnati
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:02:33 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <36E02D8151FFD1118C1C00600808ACE52EBBFB@HAMSXHA2>
>From: someone@enteract.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>
>Terry Bozzio IS indeed playing with The Knack right now. Quite a
>shocker, eh?
Not really, when you think that he was in Missing Persons. 80's pop rules,
btw.
-Nick
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:07:08 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Treasure Land
Message-ID: <35BE9FEC.5E01@fh-niederrhein.de>
Luke Bateup wrote :
>Arash wrote:
>> NP : Treasure Land - Questions (great album, Symphony X & Superior=20
>> fans will love it)
>I actually mentioned this album before here on the Jam (about 6 months
>ago) but got no reply in reference to my queries as to any other
>opinions on it. Maybe I got the album before the majority of you jammers
>did (fuck, that'd be a first!).
>Anyway, my first thoughts on the album were that it was pretty bad,
>mainly due to the terrible vocals and very mediocre production. Yet
>after a few listens the awesome potential of this band started to shine
>through in a big way - these guys totally smoke! especially the
>guitarist, Jonas Hornquist - this guy is su-fucken-perb, flowing in and
>out of crunchy, driving, metallic riffs to the smoothest latino licks.
>Once TL get a bit more exposure, he'll be considered one of the greats
>for sure. I know sweet fuck all about guitar and therefore never have a
>great coniseur(sp?) of it, but I was glued to my speakers when this guy
>was going off - maybe because I wasn't expecting to hear such huge
>talent when I listened to this disc; maybe because he is *that* good....
>either way, I still stand by my opinions that the production and vocals
>seriously hamper this album, but nevertheless it demonstrates that these
>guys have got all the right ingredients.
Jonas H=F6rnqvist is incredible. He is as good as Michael Romeo.
Tresure Land are really good. Check them out.
>I understand they have a new album out, Gateway, with better production
>and a new singer, can anyone offer some opinions on this disc. So far I
>haven't read a bad review about it but I wanna hear some jammers
>opinions too - you guys are always right :)
Well, this album is really great. It's more classical then their first.
The new singer is good but I preffer their first singer.
Once again, "Gateway" is great.=20
NP : Yes - Close To The Edge=20
Arash
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:10:56 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Portnoy Clinic in Louisville Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980728151056.006a9e3c@mail.clemson.edu>
>pretty wicked grooves in 7/8 5/8 and (gasp) 19/16!!! It was awsome to
19/16? That guy's sick. Sick, I tell you! Where are the guys in the white coats when you need them?
>played to Erotomania. Very very kool. Before the clinic started, the
sorry, that just brought images of a bulbous red pitcher playing wicked drums. Interesting image. I'd like DT to write a new kool-aid theme song in 19/16. Let's see the little kids in the commercial dance to THAT. Or the bulbous red pitcher... Hah. Moo.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:17:10 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Petrucci "screwups" Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980728151710.006aa288@mail.clemson.edu>
>But I am not a guitar player, so I don't know what a "screwup" is.. I just >know if it sounds good or not :)
sorry for the double post. this reminds me of something my music teacher used to say during recording: "If you're gonna mess up, do it in key!" Heheh. And he's got a point. When recording original music (covers are obviously a different matter), you can allow for a few mistakes as long as they sound ok (i.e. in key :) - gotta keep in mind that most people won't know you didn't mean to play that. :) There's a few mistakes in my band's latest recording that we left there, and you can hear them perfectly, but you cna't ell they're mistakes if you weren't there while we were writing or rehearsing the song. And most people won't listen much live... Even if they do, who cares? Bands change stuff. So yeah. That's my dissertation on mistakes. Nothin to do with the original topic. But hey, that's what i'm here for. Moo.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:38:02 EDT From: GuitarX777@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "plagarism???" Message-ID: <1c6e10ae.35be289c@aol.com>
>What do you guys think about this point? I am always in an internal >debate over the validity of using someone else's riff in a song., such as >"Tom Sawyer" in New Millenium, Metropolis 1 in the ET song, etc etc.
I'm probably near alone on this, but I love that kind of stuff. Being more an arranger than a songwriter, I've created several similar things myself. I'm fine with anyone else quoting their influences as well, as long as it's not a matter of "getting away with it." And trying to hide the similarities. For example, I've done a sort of off the cuff instrumental "Steve jam" with a few bands where everyone trades solos over alternating parts of Steve Vai's The Audience is Listening and Stevie Ray Vaughan's Pride and Joy, suitably altered for smooth transitions. If I were to record this however, I would be sure to note prominently the sources I borrowed from. Remember, there's no shame in borrowing as long as you do it with style.
Chris (the Stunt Guitarist)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:38:08 EDT From: GuitarX777@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mike Mangini / Atypical Prog Sighting/Drum Solos/State of Grace burnout Message-ID: <4c53d72f.35be28a1@aol.com>
Sorry about the big combined post. I had lots of short things to say and I thought you'd rather see this than 4 consecutive posts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- << can't agree with you more. I consider Mangini the BEST drummer out there (you HAVE to see him doing a solo). >>
I agree totally! I saw him with Steve Vai on the first G3 tour and his performance floored me. Can't say I've ever heard him solo though. I'll have to look into that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- Atypical Prog Sighting: I was in a Borders bookstore yesterday and I was browsing through CDs when I noticed that LTE was prominently on display and at a listening station, with a glowing little review posted next to it. Can't wait till it reaches many an unsuspecting mainstream ear. The world is officially a better place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- << What are your favorite drum solos? >>
Well, my experience of drum solos is somewhat limited, but off the top of my head: John Bonham: Moby Dick -any live version of this is a testament to his incredible stamina...really cool technique with the hands too. And this is really half assed, but doesn't Terry Bozzio's quick fill in Titties and Beer (Zappa in New York) right after "there was her titties flop floppin'..." just MAKE the song? I think so... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- << > What I don't get is how everyone likes State of Grace. Is it only me > who finds it sort of boring and uncompelling? >>
THANK YOU!!! Much as I love LTE, State of Grace quite frankly strikes me as filler material. I have no problem with the fact that it's not exactly a wankfest, but it sounds a little contrived for my tastes. If you're burned out on SoG, Vai's For the Love of God is an instrumental with real emotion to burn. I play that to everyone who gives me that "technique vs. feel" bullshit.
Chris (the Stunt Guitarist)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:49:23 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980728164846.30214A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Giannotti, Nick wrote:
> >From: someone@enteract.com > >To: ytsejam@ax.com > > > >Terry Bozzio IS indeed playing with The Knack right now. Quite a > >shocker, eh? > > Not really, when you think that he was in Missing Persons. 80's pop rules, > btw.
Who/what is "The Knack"???
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:50:53 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme / Sad songs Message-ID: <19980728195055.25576.qmail@hotmail.com>
>go out of time for a while but I dont hear it at all...I read an interview >with paul where he said he used to play very technical stuff and he >played like Neil P. I never hear him play like that, I heard just simple >beats....
I acually listened to a Paul Geary drum solo and it was very technical (he played polyrhythms)... I believe he was just unimaginative.
0-0-0-0-0-0
Sad songs: GnR: Estranged Queen: Love of my Life, Bohemian Rhapsody -the music isn't too sad, but the words... Oh my God!! :.( DT: take away my pain, SDV Black Sabbath: Changes
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:51:09 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme / Sad songs Message-ID: <19980728195110.9707.qmail@hotmail.com>
>go out of time for a while but I dont hear it at all...I read an interview >with paul where he said he used to play very technical stuff and he >played like Neil P. I never hear him play like that, I heard just simple >beats....
I acually listened to a Paul Geary drum solo and it was very technical (he played polyrhythms)... I believe he was just unimaginative.
0-0-0-0-0-0
Sad songs: GnR: Estranged Queen: Love of my Life, Bohemian Rhapsody -the music isn't too sad, but the words... Oh my God!! :.( DT: take away my pain, SDV Black Sabbath: Changes
Later -E#
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:09:12 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4111 Message-ID: <19980728200912.12079.qmail@hotmail.com>
Fave drum solos: 1) Mike "whatafuckinmonster" Mangini -in the Waiting for the Punchline Extreme tour.
2) Dennis Chambers -A clinic.
3) Dave Weckl -In Michel Camilo's "From whithin"
4) Robbie Ameen -In Rubén Blades' "Muévete"
Later -E#
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:15:29 PDT From: "Sarmad Ghafoor" <ibanezgem@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ISBN Message-ID: <19980728201530.15582.qmail@hotmail.com>
Someone asked for ISBN number for FII's Tab book.
It is 0-7692-1826-1
If someone wants anyparticular song, please email me I'd send the scanned images of the pages (I know it's illegal, but there are jammers who can't afford, or maybe don't have the book in their areas)
Sarmad :)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:22:47 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shaving Ryan's Privates (Porno Sequel?) Message-ID: <35be331768af007@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> Original Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
> Saving Private Ryan's next on my list to see, too. :) > --KorgX3
Well, I saw it last night. It was a good movie, it was intense, but it wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread. Tom Hanks and Spielberg have both tended to have their pictures overestimated over the last few years. I think it overdid it on bludgeoning the audience with gore - the "war is hell" thing has been done since Apocalypse Now, this wasn't anything new. The characters were your standard military movie archetypes; the scared kid, the macho guy, the intense one, the wisecracker, the CO just trying to do the right thing in a tough spot...nothing new.
All in all, worth the seven bucks, but not my fave of the year.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:45:35 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what do I know about war Message-ID: <35be386e4642005@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding To: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com> Original Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Similarly, though I have not been involved in a war, it is not too > difficult to tell the realism level based on what's being seen during > those respective films. They're entertainment, not history... but they > have been carefully constructed with authenticity in mind.
With regards to Braveheart, I haven't looked into it myself but my History of British Isles prof last spring said that he couldn't even sit through the whole thing because it's so historically inaccurate.
Personally, it's in my top five faves of all time. :)
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:02:41 -0400 From: "Chris Milne" <cmilne@wam.umd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110 Message-ID: <002401bdba6b$0fc18650$09b3c1d1@dvo.k-link.com>
>I'm sitting here listening to Stream of Consciousness and I realized that >every time I hear Petrucci screw-up, it's usually on an easy part. He >screws up pretty bad during the keyboard solo in BMS, and again during the >first heavy part in PMU. Don't get me wrong, the guy is still my fave >guitarist, but I find it a little odd. I don't think I've heard him >screw up on the parts requiring great technical proficiency, just simple >rhythms. Comments and opinions?
When it is not something requiring a lot of conectration your mind begins to wander.
chris
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Date: 28 Jul 98 13:56:40 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Charlie's Rarities Vid Message-ID: <199807282121.OAA26309@mailsun2.us.oracle.com>
Did anyone else receive Charlie's response yet concerning the DT "VINTAGE CLIPS" video? It sounds cool but $25 is a bit steep for < 1 hour of unprofessional video...
My favorite part of his email: >WARNING!! >SOME CONTENT NOT SUITABLE FOR MINORS
I bet ol' Mike P. is getting a little nervous about the content! :)
I'll post the message he sent (apparently to a group of people who responded) if there's any interest.
ytsewhat?, -Neil.
PS - Paul Humm: Awesome boot guide to the 3 most-talked about FII tour boots.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:45:03 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hey Mickey / Real Audio G2 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980728174503.007a88b0@pop3.afn.org>
>I know today is going to suck so I've decided to share the misery through >the power of suggestion... "Oh Mickey you're so fine You're so fine you >blow my mind Hey Mickey! He he he he he! >Go ahead, try to prevent that song from going through you head.
Ha ha, no chance, weiner-boy. I just came from over a week of nothing but the Spice Girls, "Jelly Head," and the Celine Dion. You're going to have to work harder than that to fight the resistance I had to build up. All I have right now is
Living a lie The truth ain't kind Too young to die The truth ain't kind.
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>Real Audio G2 was working just fine for me. I did need to lower the >connection speed down a bit to get it to stop pausing but then it >was just dandy. Options -> Preferences -> Connection. Then set >your min and max to 28.8 or 19.2 or whatever it takes to get a >clean signal. Sounds is still decent even at 19.2 setting.
Tried setting them to 14.4k, which is my connection speed, and it still buffered only seconds at a time. The old RealPlayer, however, buffers enough to play over eleven minutes without pausing. Plus it boots up as fast as WinAmp, as opposed to G2 which boots slower than Netscape.
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho). http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:50:36 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110 Message-ID: <702255ae.35be47ad@aol.com>
Chris commented on John Petrucci's accuracy with:
> I don't think I've heard him > screw up on the parts requiring great technical proficiency, just simple > rhythms. Comments and opinions?
Speaking as a guitarist (or any musician), there is a simple reason why ALL US MUSICIAN'S screw up the easy parts and nail the difficult runs. I know that after I have played a song "x" amount of times with a band - you start to go into auto pilot mode. The auto pilot mode usually switches to manual for the parts that require a little more concentration (although you can even play amazingly difficult parts on auto pilot after so many repetitions).
So when do musicians screw up? When in the middle of a song you think to yourself "what am I playing? My hands are just doing it. I am not even thinking about it. Maybe I better start to think about it" and then BLAMO you have a shaky transition from auto to manual and your hands lose their robot like movements. You can usually recover very quickly, but the fact is you messed up. And it is usually during the EASY parts when you have so much time to let THOUGHTS fuck you up.
This is why I in particular love to CHANGE songs as I play (usually subtle) so I never go into the dreaded auto pilot mode. It is the fine line between I can nail it and I would have nailed it if I hadn't lost track of time while playing it because I don't have to think to play it. It isn't really the not thinking that messes you up - it is the transition from not thinking to thinking.
OR maybe he just screwed up to make James LaBrie feel better OR maybe he saw a babe OR maybe he just likes to mess with YOUR mind.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:07:26 -0400 From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4110 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980728180726.006b3578@mail.clemson.edu>
>So when do musicians screw up? When in the middle of a song you think to >yourself "what am I playing? My hands are just doing it. I am not even >thinking about it. Maybe I better start to think about it" and then BLAMO you >have a shaky transition from auto to manual and your hands lose their robot >like movements. You can usually recover very quickly, but the fact is you >messed up. And it is usually during the EASY parts when you have so much time >to let THOUGHTS fuck you up.
that's exactly what i was thinking of but couldn't figure out how to explain. good show, old chap.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:28:38 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Beer For Dolphins 8/1 Cincinnati Message-ID: <19980728.182842.-142571.1.marshallm@juno.com>
Anyone on the 'Jam going to the MK:BFD show this Saturday in Cincinatti? If so, drop me a line and we'll greet at the show.
Michael marshallm@juno.com
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