YTSEJAM Digest 4109
Today's Topics:
1) Reviews of FII bootlegs (long post)
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
2) ISBN # of the FII tab book
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
3) Sad songs
by "Gabriel Fran?a" <ggspider@hotmail.com>
4) Re: Drum solos.
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
5) Various cds for sale, including Dream Theater
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
6) Age of Impact listening party...
by "Michael E Patrick"<MEPatric@mail.delcoelect.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4106
by "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com>
8) Re: Age of Impact listening party...
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
9) Oops, I missed a few DT cds for sale!
by Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
10) Re: Extreme / Mangini
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
11) what do I know about war
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
12) Re: what do I know about war
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
13) Re: Age of Impact listening party...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Sad stuff
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:38:51 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Reviews of FII bootlegs (long post)
Message-ID: <199807272039.NAA27641@baygate.bayarea.net>
I recently received three different Dream Theater bootlegs, all from
the Falling Into Infinity tour. Since I received all three around the
same time, it's only natural for me to make some comparisons. So here
is my combined review of "Stream of Consciousness," "Fasten Your
Seatbelts," and "Static Progress." I figure that this review will
be useful to any of y'all who are considering buying one of these
bootlegs, but can't decide which one to buy.
DISCLAIMER: Anyone who buys any of these discs, or any DT boots for
that matter, darn well better also buy Dream Theater's official live
2-CD set (and video!) when it is released later this year! No matter
how good these bootlegs are, it is VERY unlikely that they will be
better than the official release. Also, there's the question of who
your money goes to. I personally would rather mine go to Dream
Theater. They're the ones who put in all the hard work to bring us
these live performances. OK, enough said.
First some general information on each bootleg:
STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Label: Prism Records (Mike Bahr)
Web Site: http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
Price: $30 + $1 for U.S. shipping (previously $40, before that $34)
Format: 2 CD-R
Source: House of Blues, Los Angeles, CA; November 11, 1997
(internet broadcast)
FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS
Label: ? (Nick Bogovich)
Web Site: http://web.mit.edu/bogie/dt/fys.html
Price: $25 (includes shipping to a U.S. address)
Format: 2 CD-R
Source: The Roxy, Boston, MA; December 13, 1997 (audience recording)
STATIC PROGRESS
Label: Open All Night Records (Felix and Volodya)
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
Price: $29 (includes shipping to a U.S. address)
Format: 2 CD-R
Source: Palais d'Aurone, Bourges, France; April 17, 1998 (audience
recording)
Now for comparisons in the following categories: sound quality,
performance, set list, packaging, bonus material, and delivery time:
SOUND QUALITY:
All three have good sound, but Static Progress wins easily. I can
safely say that this is one of the best sounding audience recordings
I have ever heard. The sound is excellent from beginning to end, and
the audience noise is prominent only between songs.
Fasten Your Seatbelts also has good sound for an audience recording,
but definitely not as good as Static Progress.
Stream of Consciousness is a bit of a disappointment in terms of sound
quality. It is advertised as a "soundboard" recording (which is
*technically* true), but it was actually recorded from an internet
broadcast of a soundboard recording, so it exhibits symptoms of audio
compression. It has a somewhat "compressed" sound, and just doesn't
have much "punch" to it. It also has a few skips (places where as
much as several seconds of audio have been omitted). From the
information on the Prism Records home page, it sounds like this is
the best boot that could have been made from this internet broadcast;
unfortunately the internet broadcast was far from perfect. (As an
aside, I find it interesting that the Prism Records home page made
little or no mention of these sonic flaws until *after* many units of
Stream of Consciousness had been shipped....)
All in all, I'd place Fasten Your Seatbelts just slightly ahead of
Stream of Consciousness on sound quality. They both have roughly
equal sound quality, except that FYS doesn't have the occasional skips
that SoC has. (And, as previously stated, Static Progress beats them
both!)
PERFORMANCE:
DT's performance is very good on all three bootlegs. Static Progress
is very high-energy (listen to Portnoy singing the first line of Take
the Time!). Fasten Your Seatbelts has a more intimate feel; probably
it was recorded in a smaller club. Stream of Consciousness is a good
solid performance with lots of energy in the encore.
SET LIST:
If you were to buy one of these bootlegs based simply on set list,
you would probably choose either Stream of Consciousness or Static
Progress. Both have great, but very different, set lists. Stream of
Consciousness has the typical set list from the first leg of the U.S.
tour, including Lines in the Sand, Voices, Scarred, and Metropolis.
It also includes one of the very few performances of NightMare
Cinema! Static Progress includes Take The Time/Freebird, Scarred,
Trial of Tears, and Speak to Me. The Fasten Your Seatbelts setlist
is merely a subset of the Stream of Consciousness setlist. The only
thing that FYS has that SoC doesn't is the "Fasten Your Seatbelts"
version of Ytse Jam. However, that version of Ytse Jam is also
present on Static Progress.
It is worth mentioning that the shows at which Fasten Your Seatbelts
and Static Progress were recorded were both slightly shortened sets
(in FYS, the club owners made DT shorten their set; in Static
Progress, DT played very late at night after two other bands).
PACKAGING:
All three have good packaging. Static Progress has the most
professional-looking CD liners, with Fasten Your Seatbelts a close
second. The liners for Stream of Consciousness were a bit annoying.
Not only did I have to cut them myself, but they were quite crumpled
as a result of poor packing. As for the discs themselves, Stream of
Consciousness and Static Progress both have nice disc labels (Soc's
are painted on, while Static Progress has the sticky kind). Fasten
Your Seatbelts simply has "DT FYS1" and "DT FYS2" written in black
marker on the middle of the discs.
BONUS MATERIAL:
Fasten Your Seatbelts has perhaps the most appropriate bonus
material, namely demos of songs from FII and of one non-FII song
(Cover My Eyes). Static Progress has the best bonus tracks in terms
of sound quality, however they are taken from Mind Control, a fairly
common bootleg. The first bonus track on Stream of Consciousness is
very cool -- Portnoy singing the end of "Surrounded." The other two
bonus tracks ("Lie," and "Metropolis 1" with Dominici on vocals) are
cool, but not particularly memorable.
DELIVERY TIME:
(I measure the delivery time as the number of days elapsed from the
day I place my payment in the mail to the day I receive the discs.)
The competition wasn't even close in this category. Static Progress
won hands down with a delivery time of 20 days. Not only that, but
Open All Night e-mailed me when they received my payment, and again
when they shipped my order. Fasten Your Seatbelts came in a distant
second place, at almost 2.5 months. Stream of Consciousness came
in an even more distant third, at almost 6.5 months.
SUMMARY:
In summary I would say FIRST buy the OFFICIAL DT live album and
video. Then if your thirst for live DT still has not been quenched,
I would recommend getting Static Progress (for its superior sound
quality, energetic performance, and short delivery time), or possibly
Stream of Consciousness (for its set list, particularly Nightmare
Cinema).
Sorry this was so long, but hopefully it will be informative to some
of the potential bootleg buyers out there.
-Paul
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"It started raining purple Skittles
They're my favorite Skittle kind." -- Funky Butt Drum Club
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:49:27 -0500
From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ISBN # of the FII tab book
Message-ID: <35BCE7D7.32E0@auburn.net>
Let's try this again...
The ISBN # is 0-7692-1826-1
]From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
> Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
This a step down socially, economocally, and spiritually :)
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:54:17 PDT
From: "Gabriel Fran?a" <ggspider@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sad songs
Message-ID: <19980727205418.29266.qmail@hotmail.com>
My favorite sad songs are Savatage`s Believe and a Litlle too far,
Specially when sung live by Jon Oliva
Cheers... Gabriel
Keep on dreaming..
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:15:41 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Drum solos.
Message-ID: <v01510100b1e29b92af1d@[194.7.177.225]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam,
Ville Rassi conjured up a ten minute snare-roll and then said:
>Since there has been a keyboard solo-thread and a guitar one(I think),I
>think there oughta be a drum solo-thread!The question is:What are your
>favorite drum solos?
>
<snip>
- Ian Paice's solo on Deep Purple's Made In Japan(I think). I remember it
being absolutely
amazing for a guy who only used one bassdrum, one snare, one tom and one
floortom.
Incredible!
- Mike Portnoy's solo on the LiT video
- Tesla - "Don't de-rock me" (don't know their drummer's name, only have it
on tape)
- Alex Van Halen's solo on Live:RHRN
There have to be others, if only I could remember them.
FiveNgroK
CP: Tesla - Psychotic Supper (Ain't that a coincidence!)
PS: Tyketto's Michael Clayton is a great drummer too!
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:12:21 -0500
From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net>
To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Various cds for sale, including Dream Theater
Message-ID: <35BCED35.B99AC2B5@flash.net>
Aldrich, Doug-Highcentered (Excellent guitarist!) $7
Alfy Betz-W/ the Imaginary Orchestra (Excellent instrumental only
progressive cd, very creative) $8
Amos, Tori-Boys for Pele $6
Bellas, George-Turn of the Millennium (Excellent Shrapnel label
guitarist...sounds like Yngwie) $9
Bellas, George-Mind Over Matter (See Above) $9
Dream Theater- Original silver Prism releases $40 each (Originals now
very rare)
-Subconsious #451
-Acoustic Dreams #197
-Scenes From A Memory #132
-Anitiquities #61
-When Dream and Today Unite #94
Dream Theater-Prism CD-R releases (These are only available on cd-r and
each is numbered) $25 Each
-The Darkest of Winters #44
-Precious Things #53
-Mosaic #49
Dream Theater-Dance of Eternity (Live bootleg from 5/18/93-Buffalo, NY-1
cd) $24
Dream Theater-Intrumental (Bootleg w/ 1987 instrumental recordings) $24
Dream Theater-1986 Demo (Bootleg of Dream Theater, recording as Majesty,
1986 Demo) $24
Marillion-One Off Show (2cd bootleg) $40
Marillion-This Strange Engine (US release w/out bonus trax) $9
Marillion-Sympathy (European cd single w/2 live cuts not available on
anything else) $12ppd in US
Marillion-Brave Tourbook $16ppd in US
Mastermind-Volume III "Tragic Symphony" (Excellent Prog Band) $9
Mastermind-Until Eternity (Excellent Prog Band-Autographed) $14
Matermind-Live in Tokyo (Limited to 1000, #76, Autographed, out-of
print) $25
Queensryche-Unplugged (Live bootleg from 1993 and 1985) $24
Queensryche-Operation :Promised Land (Live bootleg from 5/25/95) $24
Queensryche-Operation Livecrime (Box set with cd, video and very nice
booklet-Out-Of-Print) Make Offer
Queensryche-Myths and Warnings (Original Prism release on cd-r) $20
Queensryche-Visions of Another Time (Original Prism release on cd-r) $20
Queensryche-The Warning Tourbook $14ppd in US
This is just a small sample of all the discs available. For a complete
list, go to my site listed below:
http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cds4sale.html
E-mail me at kvill@flash.net if you are interested in any of the above
cds. Thanks, Kevin.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:27:55 -0500 From: "Michael E Patrick"<MEPatric@mail.delcoelect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Age of Impact listening party... Message-ID: <0525664E.006FA40B.00@uskokg01.delcoelect.com>
Michael E Patrick@DELCO on 07-27-98 03:27:55 PM
O.K., so this has been on www.liveconcerts.com since the 21st and we're just hearing about it the 27th?
Excuse me while I reach for a can of whup-ass and collectively distribute it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kids, are we going to have to designate an official 'ytse-surfer' - someone directly responsible for notifying us of all important online events? If I don't get any volunteers, I'll have to appoint someone at random, and we all know how ugly that can get.
Mike Patrick EDS Domino/Notes Development mepatric@mail.delcoelect.com (765) 451-2943
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:53:57 +0000 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher, allroundniceguy" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4106 Message-ID: <35BC15F0.FFFA06EF@mindspring.com>
In response to the 'Sad Song' thread, let's go with:
"Death's Sweet Religion" by THIS PICTURE. The whole cd is incredible, though not really prog. More like old U2/Policewith some new-age thrown in.
- Scott M.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:42:42 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Age of Impact listening party... Message-ID: <35BD0262.A271D12E@pacbell.net>
Michael E Patrick wrote: > > Michael E Patrick@DELCO on 07-27-98 03:27:55 PM > > O.K., so this has been on www.liveconcerts.com since the 21st and we're > just hearing about it the 27th?
Carlos posted about it on the 24th, so maybe you just need to pay attention!
;o)
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:00:20 -0500 From: Kevin <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Oops, I missed a few DT cds for sale! Message-ID: <35BD0684.E5AD4CE3@flash.net>
A few more Dream Theater discs for sale: Dream Theater-Wake Up! (Excellent 2 cd live from Japan 1995) $50 Dream Theater-Caught in Amsterdam (2cd from 4/14/97-Prism replica on CD-Rs) $30 Dream Theater-Stream of Conciousness (2cd prism release from 11/11/97-CD-Rs) $30 E-Mail me if interested at: kvill@flash.net Thanks, Kevin. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Used CDs are always for sale at: http://www.flash.net/~kvill/cds4sale.html Updated regularly! -----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:38:09 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Extreme / Mangini Message-ID: <19980727233811.27035.qmail@hotmail.com>
Somebody wrote:
>> Nuno actually sequenced the drum part on Cupids dead so that it >>was the way he wanted it. This is probably why Extreme never >>played Cupid's dead live while Paul was the drummer.
OK. This threat is a little bit old, but I just wanted to make things clear. Paul Geary DID play the drums on Cupid's Dead. I mean, can't you tell? The part isn't too complicated. That's definetly his style, pretty simple. Besides the the fact that they played that song during the entire tour. I don't think that anyone in the world would write such an ass-kicking song and not play it live.
> I think this is why he left Extreme.
Well, I'm not pretty sure about this, but I think he wasn't quite getting along with the rest of the band...
>From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> >As much as I loved Extreme, I always thought Paul sucked. Not that >he was terrible, but I found his playing to be very unimaginative. >Mangini, on the other hand, is a fucking monster and should have >been with them from the start.
I can't agree with you more. I consider Mangini the BEST drummer out there (you HAVE to see him doing a solo). Also, I have met him twice, and I have to say that he's the nicest, funniest person ever. (Can't wait to hear Nuno's project with Mike Mangini and Donovan Bettencourt)
Later
-E#
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:51:06 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what do I know about war Message-ID: <35BD207A.628E@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
I know plenty about war.
I don't have to wear a 49ers jersey and make $100,000 every Sunday during the fall to know a good tackle when I see one, or a botched assignment when someone fouls up.
Similarly, though I have not been involved in a war, it is not too difficult to tell the realism level based on what's being seen during those respective films. They're entertainment, not history... but they have been carefully constructed with authenticity in mind.
And we DO have educational facilities that we use for a time during our formative years, I've heard. :)
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply - Hardcore fan of Dream Theater, King's X, Rush (the band), and more!!! - Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ - If it's nae Scottish, it's CRAP!
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what do I know about war Message-ID: <199807280106.VAA18257@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Michael Bahr's basement typed:
> I don't have to wear a 49ers jersey and make $100,000 every Sunday > during the fall to know a good tackle when I see one, or a botched > assignment when someone fouls up.
I don't see how wearing the Niners jersey would help you learn anything about football at all. Now, a Giants jersey... :)
-d waits for the beatings to commence at the hands of all the left-coasters :)
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:12:26 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Age of Impact listening party... Message-ID: <35BD257A.8BA3EABB@caribe.net>
Lisa Marie wrote:
> Michael E Patrick wrote: > > > > Michael E Patrick@DELCO on 07-27-98 03:27:55 PM > > > > O.K., so this has been on www.liveconcerts.com since the 21st and we're > > just hearing about it the 27th? > > Carlos posted about it on the 24th, so maybe you just need to pay attention! > > ;o)
Thanx Lisa Marie for pointing that out!! :) Im glad someone does read my posts :) hehe. anyways.. from those of us whove heard it already , opinions anyone?
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:22:22 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sad stuff Message-ID: <199807280124.SAA05737@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
> "Black" by Pearl jam (yes here I go with the alternastuff you guys dont > like). That song tears me apart EVERY time I listen, especially the live > performances. it is close to a perfect song IMHO.
TOTALLY. That song is gorgeous. That line "I know someday you'll have a beautiful life/I know you'll be the sun/In someone else's sky/But why, why, why, can't it be mine?" rips my heart out every time. I dont care if it is about some guy masturbating with clay, it is still gorgeous.
Then there is DT. LTL is, of course, THE perfect song, and sad too, with a bit of an uplifting feel. There is none higher. But that is given :)
>From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
> What I don't get is how everyone likes State of Grace. Is it only me > who finds it sort of boring and uncompelling?
Unfortunately, I tend to agree. It reminds me too much of Pachabel's Canon...It is just too sappy and contrived for my taste. I always skip it.
> But it's not all bad. Girl I love said it was pretty. Maybe she'll > come around from her Matchbox 20-listening loser ways.
Hey now, M20 is a pretty damn good band. Along with 3EB, Creed, Live, Pearl Jam and others, Matchbox20 is on top of the pile that I listen to when I dont want to have to sit and think and stand in awe of the talent streaming through my brain. They write catchy, groovy little tunes.
Speaking of Creed, I find these guys to be surprisingly good. The guitars are all tuned down to give the disc a much darker, moodier feel, but it works, and the actual music is pretty intelligently written and played. There are even hints of prog here and there...It isnt 4/4 throughout. I like to call them a mix between Metallica and Stone Temple Pilots, because Ill be damned if it isnt whats-his-face from STP singing.
A sad song I fell in love with a week or two back is "Motorcycle Drive-By" by Third Eye Blind. Catchy, emotional, and it makes you think there is some deeper meaning. Maybe there is, maybe there isnt, but I still liked it enough to learn the lyrics in 4 days.
Then there is old school...
GNR's "Dont Cry" Metallica's "Fade To Black" and "Nothing Else Matters" Live's "Lightning Crashes." Boyz II Men "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye" and "End of the Road." (Some seriously talented song writers...) Police "Every Breath You Take"
And of course...
Hanson - Mmmmbop... (Is that 3 m's or 4?) I cry everytime I hear this one :.(..
<smirk>
Later all.
Jon
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