YTSEJAM Digest 4102
Today's Topics:
1) charging clinics
by Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
2) Re: Learning DT
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
3) the unknown kickass song
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
4) Re: Extreme and War
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) re : Ripping off? :-), Vanden Plas
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
6) Enchant's new album
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4101
by sunioj@southwind.net
8) Re: Shaving Ryan's Privates (Porno Sequel?)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
9) Re: Ripping off? :-)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) "DT" clip
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
11) Re: charging clinics
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall)
12) Re: Mp3 decoders
by marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall)
13) A little Help please for Met II!
by Steve Godbout & Sonya Delisle <sgodbout@microtec.net>
14) Met Part II
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) New CD
by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net>
16) DT Video (making of)
by Calvin6S@aol.com
17) Re: Metropolis 2 audio clip !
by YtseSryche@aol.com
18) FII Tab Book
by "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au>
19) Why can't/won't bands release their own live material - official bootlegs?
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:45:43 +0200
From: Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: charging clinics
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980725184543.0067e2a0@unet.univie.ac.at>
god, you pissers!!!!
you geta portnoy clinic and make a hell outta 5$?????
assh*l+!!!
id even pay 30$ to cath a petrucci clinic (i had to pay 60$for the guitar
discipline video over here!), but he doesnt come here. (austria)
so stop being childish about 5$.
if this is too much for your musical development, goodbye.
" Theres a fat old lady outside the saloon,
Laying out the credit card, she plays fortune."
(Genesis, Dancing With the Moonlight Knight)
DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:14:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Learning DT
Message-ID: <199872515922741@ix.netcom.com>
The first DT song I ever leraned was Peruvian Skies. I figured it
out myself (with help from my guitar teacher and the internet).
It was good for me to start with since this was just as I was getting
into DT and my playing style was not the shredding type. I only know
one other entire DT song, You Not Me. Ive tried others, but my
isnt up there yet. I can play about the first half of Erotomania, but I never
got around to learning the rest. I can also do the first 3/4 of ACOS P4.
Once that diminished run comes up it just loses me ;-) I'm in the
middle of learning CiaW, since I got my 7 string, and I can play all of
PMU with the exception of that fast fun before the chorus. My goal is
to be able to play the UAGM solo by my senior year of High School,
and I think with the way I'm going, I'll be able to do it.
Matt
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| "A daily dose of eMpTyV |
| will flush your mind |
| right down the drain." |
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| - Mike Portnoy |
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:14:26 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the unknown kickass song
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980725151426.007a0100@pop3.afn.org>
Not DT. Sounds like a generic prog-metal band, with only the first 7
seconds sounding like DT's typical sense of melody. But take random
pieces of music stuck together in 15-30 second clips and you have progmetal
in a nutshell, and this is it. It's DT combined with Helstar combined
with Voivod combined with Magellan and a few other Magna Carta bands.
Definitely a fan, not the original.
Some good playing, but no way would DT *end* a song like this. At least
not the DT of the past.
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho).
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:29:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Extreme and War
Message-ID: <199807251929.PAA12549@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Jay Kube said:
> Nuno actually sequenced the drum part on Cupids dead so that it
> was the way he wanted it. This is probably why Extreme never
> played Cupid's dead live while Paul was the drummer.
Umm...yeah they did. I saw it. Twice. Interesting about the sequencer,
though. I'll have to listen again to see if there are any big differences
in the studio v. live versions.
Mike Bahr said:
> Go see it. See it NOW. It's hands down the best movie of the year,
> and is fighting Braveheart in my mind for the title of most realistic
> war movie ever made. Don't miss it. It's INTENSE.
I'm really not trying to be facetious or anything, but what do you, Mike
Bahr, know about war? Scottish/English Or WWII? :)
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:55:37 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : Ripping off? :-), Vanden Plas
Message-ID: <35BAB6C9.5258@fh-niederrhein.de>
Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote :
>Subject : Vanden Plas
>great that someone notices them!
>Watch out for their first "Colour Temple" as well, which in some songs is
>more straight forward, but there are killer tracks on that, too (Soul
>Survives, great soloing, crazy!!)
"Soul Survives" is by far the best Vanden Plas track (IMO).
It's one of my favorite prog tunes.
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Marcelo Vanzin wrote :
>Subject: Ripping off? :-)
>Hi there!!
>I think this one goes for the guys into older Angra (Viper) and
>Empty Tremor... :-)
>I was at Rogrio's yesterday, and while we were copying some stuff we
>were also listening to some other stuff. He was showing a CD he made
>from some MP3's he had, and then it started to play a song when Rogrio
>asked "Don't you recognize that?".
>At first I had the impression to already have heard that thing, but it
>didn't come to my mind. When the vocals came in, I remembered, "Ah,
>that's Empty Tremor..." (It was "Slice of Life").
>The Rogrio reached his CD collection and brought Viper's "Theatre of
>Fate" saying "Listen to this!", and I remembered: the beginning of ET's
>"Slice of Life" is EXACTLY the SAME as Viper's "Illusion", or, in the
>least, very very close. Check it for yourselves. :-)
Well, "Slice Of Life" has been composed in 1995.
I have the original demo tape of "Apocolokyntosys" from 1995 which is with ET's
first singer. The songs have all different titles and lyrics.
There is long song called "Prisoner In Chains" which become later "Middleman"
and "Slice Of Life". These 2 songs are in the original demo part of "Prisoner Of
Chains" !
I don't think at ET have ever heard Viper's song.
Btw, John Norum (Europe) has also a song called " Catalina Sunset" from his album
"Another Destination" released in 1995 which sounds like the intro of "Slice Of Life" !
Arash
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:56:47 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant's new album
Message-ID: <35BAB70F.2291@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Enchant's new album "BREAK" will be released in Europe on 31.08.98.
The first edition of the album will contain a bonus track.
Btw, if you don't have Enchant's Time Lost, that go and buy it now.
It's 1000 x better than Wounded (IMO).
You can get the CD at http://www.Knightsoftheround.com or Laser's Edge.
NP : Shadow Gallery - Shadow Gallery
Arash
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:58:05 +0000
From: sunioj@southwind.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4101
Message-ID: <199807251959.OAA02977@onyx.southwind.net>
DL'd it too, some nice stuff in it, although it doesn't really sound
like all the ideas have been finished in the segment (If it's a demo,
that might explain it. I should freaking speak about this ...
Sheesh). IMHO it sounds more like DT meets Shadow Gallery. If it is
ME2, it should be interesting to hear it all when it comes out, and
see what happens to it (If it comes out).
Just an opinion ....
Peace,
Sunioj
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:50:29 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Shaving Ryan's Privates (Porno Sequel?)
Message-ID: <004c01bdb806$a3ad4c80$170d84d0@korgx3>
>Call me nit-picky, but how would any of us know whether Braveheart's
>war scenes were truly realistic or not? Sure, it *seemed* realistic,
Bahahah. He probably meant "best fighting scene choreography" I'm sure.
There's nothing I like more than when the fights are well done, i.e. The
Highlander. I've still yet to see Braveheart. The bastards won't release
it on DVD. Although the Man in the Iron Mask is coming out next month, by
far my favorite movie this year, but then I don't get aout that much... :D
Saving Private Ryan's next on my list to see, too. :)
--KorgX3
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:30:52 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ripping off? :-)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980725172450.19618A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:
> >I think this one goes for the guys into older Angra (Viper) and
> >Empty Tremor... :-)
>
> >At first I had the impression to already have heard that thing, but it
> >didn't come to my mind. When the vocals came in, I remembered, "Ah,
> >that's Empty Tremor..." (It was "Slice of Life").
> >The Rogrio reached his CD collection and brought Viper's "Theatre of
> >Fate" saying "Listen to this!", and I remembered: the beginning of ET's
> >"Slice of Life" is EXACTLY the SAME as Viper's "Illusion", or, in the
> >least, very very close. Check it for yourselves. :-)
>
> Well, "Slice Of Life" has been composed in 1995.
This means absolutely nothing, Arash. The version of Viper's
"Illusions" that I have here is from a 1989 album and god knows if it was
demoed earlier than that...
> I don't think at ET have ever heard Viper's song.
It may be the case that the songs were composed independently, of
course. But the similarities are striking, if you know what I mean. BTW, I
told Marcelo that he shouldn't have messed with your religion. :-) Just
kidding... :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:42:52 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "DT" clip Message-ID: <199807252044.NAA14587@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
> Well, i downloaded the sample, and honestly i feel frustrated because i > honestly cant say wether if its DT or not!! ): Theres some stuff that > DOEs sound dtish..but some keyboard sounds throw me off ( moorish > samples ) and the guitar/drum sound is not their signature Fii/Lte > (possible permanent) sound, even thou of course its a demo recording.. > Darn!! heh this sucks..its frustrating... anyways.. even if its not dt > THAT CLIP IS SICK!!
Yeah, it is a pretty cool clip, but I am reserved...First of all, DT knows how rabid we are about getting our hands on a clip of that song. Do you think they would let it out before it was ready? Secondly, the transitions are too choppy. In everything DT has ever done, the transitions are really refined. The mp3 sounds like a demo type version, IF it actually is the song, which I am not so sure it is. However, it is a DAMN good imitation if it in fact is not DT.
Just a thought. And I plan on getting Vanden Plas, and my first Symphony X (TDWOT) within the next few weeks. Bout time eh? hehe.
Cant wait for:
NEW SUPERIOR. My Empty Tremor Demo. New Angra. EC: Age Of Impact My Vanden Plas and Symphony X discs. NEW SPOCK'S BEARD (they are coming out with something new, right? Those guys are awesome.) Probably other stuff I cant remember right now.
Oh yeah, new DT. :)
Bye
Jon
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:04:16 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: charging clinics Message-ID: <19980725.160911.-92339.0.marshallm@juno.com>
Okay, this guy is starting to get on my nerves.
On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Manuel <a9700302@unet.univie.ac.at> writes: > >god, you pissers!!!! >you geta portnoy clinic and make a hell outta 5$????? >assh*l+!!!
Hey, "Manuel" (if that is your real name), here's a suggestion for you"
PISS OFF, DICKHEAD!!!
If you had read any of the posts, like a normal person, you would have understood that some people aren't complaining about $5. What we are complaining about is how some places holding the clinics are not charging, while others are. This suggests to some of us that some places are just trying to earn a quick buck, while other places realize that Mr. Portnoy's appearance at the store is great for sales and store recognition on it's own, and don't have to stick it to the customer (even if it's a small gouge). Do the posts centering around this topic merit the rant you gave above? Hardly.
>if this is too much for your musical development, goodbye.
If you don't have time to take your head out of your ass and read the posts before pitching a bitch about something, goodbye.
Gee, "Manual", see how much better that makes everyone feel?
(and yes, that's intentional, for the "Humor Impaired" portion of our audience).
I think the 'Jam needs more of your thought-provoking insight, Manuel. Go ahead, work towards being MFP. It's one goal you might actually reach.
M.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:08:57 -0500 From: marshallm@juno.com (Mike A Marshall) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mp3 decoders Message-ID: <19980725.160911.-92339.1.marshallm@juno.com>
On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 Matej Grginic <matej@stones.com> writes:
>I had some very disappointing results with Winamp decoder, the quality >just drops when I convert to wav.
Really? I've used WinAmp 1.92, running on WinNT, P2-300 with SCSI-3 hard drives, and have been able to convert MP3's to WAV's and they sound great. Maybe WinAmp's decoding quality is more hardware-dependant than some people would like.
I know Rogerio's recommended that L3 program, and it works well also. Although the last version I saw was a DOS version, and unless you like dicking around with command line parameters, I'd avoid it.
M.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:16:10 -0400 From: Steve Godbout & Sonya Delisle <sgodbout@microtec.net> To: YTSEJAM Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A little Help please for Met II! Message-ID: <35BA4B1A.AAFFD2D7@microtec.net>
Hey there!
Is there anyone out there who would care to tell me where I can find a fully usable MP3 player. I used to have one but it's on a backup disc of mine and my backup drive is being repaired/replaced. I really want to hear the alleged Met 2
Thanks in advance, Steve Godbout
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:02:59 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Met Part II Message-ID: <199807252202.PAA07762@gms.gmsnet.com>
I'm sure you all know by now, that it's NOT DT, but Empty Tremor playing on that clip...
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:37:07 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <homewks@sound.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New CD Message-ID: <01bdb81c$c17f9180$235099d1@homewks>
Hey Jammers, I just got a new CD that I recommend everyone listen to. It's Bobby Rocks "Out of Body", and yes I can hear some of you now going Bobby Rock! the drummer for Nelson. Yes it's him but this CD is Progressive Rock. Brett Garsed is on guitar, and Carl Carter is on bass. It has covers of "Walk This Way", "Roundabout", and Edgar Winters "Frankenstein" plus 12 other "originals". It's not quite LTE, but it's damn good. Check it out, it's on Paranormal Records. If you can't find it, go to WWW.BobbyRock.com, theres an 800 number you can call to order and there is also samples to listen to if you don't want to take my word on it.
Mike Homewks@Sound.Net
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:49:52 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Video (making of) Message-ID: <1d24896.35ba6111@aol.com>
some cow said: Hey hey, I was just watching the Megadeth Evolver (making of youthanasia) video and i realized that would be a really cool thing for DT to release. a 'making of' video to go with their next studio CD. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------
Ok - you are onto something here. But instead of releasing it through the label (because I doubt the label would) - why not make it a DTIFC Christmas Video (instead of the usual CD). Heck, if it meant it had to be paid for - so be it. I doubt there would be a single soul on this list that could live without it if it were available. I would be interested in things like - improvised solos that didn't make it on the album (such as the video I have of the making of Images and Words with a DIFFERENT PMU solo being experimented with), on the spot collaborations (such as the end of the Hell's Kitchen track on the DTIFC CD 2), and a little bit of goofing off of course. I would take this over a "making of" CD anyday.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:49:29 EDT From: YtseSryche@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Metropolis 2 audio clip ! Message-ID: <b81acde.35ba6f0b@aol.com>
I had the same problem of the site not working, (plus, I doubt they've recorded any of the song anyway).
Tony Conigliaro
"Shut up, no one likes you anyway." -Miss Mulattieri
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:46:39 +0930 From: "Shane Woolcock" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII Tab Book Message-ID: <000901bdb82b$314434e0$6f9017cb@shane>
Hi there, If someone on this mailing list has the FII tab book, would you be able to look inside the first page and tell me the ISBN number? It would make it a lot easier for people to order it!! Thanx!
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Woolcock - woolcock@camtech.net.au WWW - http://members.xoom.com/samah/ "Wearing apathetic displays, Sharing flesh like envy in cages..." - DT --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:33:41 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Why can't/won't bands release their own live material - official bootlegs? Message-ID: <199807260022.TAA29809@indy1.indy.net>
This really isn't THAT pertinent given that every band under the sun seems to be releasing live material via their label this fall, but I was just wondering.
I assume that most record contracts prohibit bands from release their own material outside of their contract, but there are exceptions.
Richard Thompson, who most on this list probably don't know of (but after Michael Hedges death now holds the title - in my mind anyway - as THE solo performer) is on Capitol, and he basically went to them and said, 'Look, boots of my stuff sell better than my 'official' releases, so please let me whip a couple of live albums together.'
Capitol said, 'No thanks. We like our relationship with you just as is. But if, say, you want to release this stuff yourself, well we don't think that will have a negative impact on your album sales, so go ahead.'
So, now you can buy any number of his 'official' boots from him online. Pretty cool, and a major label gave the green light to this.
The only reason I bring this up is that I constantly see people trolling for boots of smaller bands like Superior, Enchant, etc. What's to keep these guys from getting good DATs and cutting the CDs themselves? Seems like that would be a real boot to most bands bottom line.
Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN mepatric@indy.net
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