YTSEJAM Digest 4100
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Mike Portnoy Clinic
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
2) DT Video... no, not that one.
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
3) Re: Spice Of Magellan
by MTeiper@aol.com
4) Learning DT; Viper
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
5) Just my 2 cents on LTE
by "AnathemA" <anathema@%ibbs.com>
6) ART SGX-2000 Express for sale
by TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
7) Re: Spice of Magellan?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) First song I played.
by Inflammabl@aol.com
9) Re: Ripping off? :-)
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
10) Ozz Fest
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
11) LTE Theme/DT songs
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com>
12) Re:Bass solos
by AL <al@isd.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4099
by Jeremy Aaron Smith <js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
14) NDTC: Saving Private Ryan
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
15) DEREK SHERINIAN W/ ALICE COOPER!
by JKorby1973@aol.com
16) MI? UK Jammers? Keyboards?
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
17) re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap.
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
18) Metropolis 2 audio clip !
by ALF <alf_1@geocities.com>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy Clinic
Message-ID: <19980725010029.3137.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com>
Hey everyone....I was at the Portnoy Clinic in Dallas on 07/22.....It
was pretty DAMN AWESOME!!!!!
MP played through 4 tunes from LTS and Erotomania. In between the
tunes he talked about the music and fielded questions from the crowd
which must have been at leaste two hundred or more. All in all it was
awesome. There were three people using camcorders.....if any of you
are on this list please contact me. I will PAY for a copy. If you
want to know more send me an e-mail.
Glen
P.S. To Mr. Portnoy: I was the guy just to the left of your hi hat and
splashes in the RED shirt. I was giving you some hell....but you took
it well by pretty much ignoring me! Just Kidding. You're the best.
==
"Sometimes the anguish we survive
And the mysteries we nurture
Are the fabrics of our lives."
Lines in the Sand,Dream Theater
g_brooks@yahoo.com,GnRBrks@aol.com,m_930136@hotmail.com
Check out my band's webpage:
http://www.flash.net/~xmittrs
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:37:38 -0400
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Video... no, not that one.
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980724213738.006a94f0@mail.clemson.edu>
Hey hey, I was just watching the Megadeth Evolver (making of youthanasia)
video and i realized that would be a really cool thing for DT to release. a
'making of' video to go with their next studio CD. I realize that it'd be
difficult with them already releasing a video in october, but it'd be cool
nonetheless. A chance to see DT in the studio setting, which would satisfy
all the musicians, but it can be done to interest non-musicians as well,
like the megadeth video. I think that'd be cool. Maybe it'd be a
possibility 2 CDs down the line... Just a thought. Of course it'd be cool
to get Mike's ideas on this, but everyone says that and he never replies,
so i aint holding my breath :) But yeah. Moo.
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:01:08 EDT
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Spice Of Magellan
Message-ID: <9724231b.35b93c65@aol.com>
> Maybe its becaused I am really stressed, but I swear I hear a bit of Spice
> Girls at about 2:00 in "paragons of innocence" off of "Wake of Magellan".
> am I losing my mind?!?!?!
> HELP!!!
TOTALLY!!! Nope, you're not losing your mind... and by you posting this, it
confirms that I, in fact, have not lost my mind either. :-) I have heard
Spice in that song ever since the first time I listened to the album.
I don't have the lyrics in front of me, but it's that part when Jon sez "You
know you shouldn't do it, but you do it anyway". That whole part reminds me
of some sucky ass Spice song whose title escapes me at the moment. :-)
Ytse On, Dudes! Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:22:10 -0400
From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Learning DT; Viper
Message-ID: <19980725021917.RZCJ10564@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
Since people are posting about what DT songs they have tried to learn on
their respective instruments, I thought I'd throw in some flame bait. I
have only ever bothered with two DT songs: PMU and TWIUTB. Why? Because DT
is completely NOT my playing style. I recently had a conversation with a
friend who put it to me simply: "You're never going to pass that metal
phase, are you?" I respond that no matter what, I'll always listen to
metal, 'cause its what I play. He says I should try playing jazz, and I
discovered something quite astonishing (to me at least): I don't think in
other musical terms when I pick up my guitar. 80% of what I've written is
straight metal.
There are some songs in there that are Collective Soul and Cheap Trick
sounding, and a few Satch-esque instrumental pieces, but most of the time,
the riffs and phrasing that come to mind are metal. My point? I have none
of course. But this is why I never got into learning to play DT. I never
considered them straight metal, so I stuck to figuring out Megadeth songs
and left the DT playing to OFB.
And thanks to Marcelo for metioning Viper. Rogerio taped this for me a
while back and your mentioning it has given me the hankering to give them a
listen again. For those who've never heard them, they remind me of a less
proggy Angra. Good stuff.
Another completely useless post courtesy of Stodgers
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:15:15 -0400
From: "AnathemA" <anathema@%ibbs.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Just my 2 cents on LTE
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP_GEN.16632.12041@bbs.ibbs.com>
> Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?
> Are you sure you're not one of those guys off the r.m.p. newsgroup? They
seem
> to think LTE is empty as well. I just don't get it. You didn't feel any
> emotion? Did
> you listen to the whole album or just fragments? Did you listen to "State
> of Grace"?
> It almost sounds like two people crying over a long lost love, together.
> The whole
> album is emotion-laden. Maybe you should listen to it again, and again,
and
> again.
> No emotion? What the hell do you want? The typical 4 minute ballads? Go
> listen to
> Bon Jovi !
>
> .. just my opinion ...
>
>
> FiveNgroK
I'm not at all questioning musicianship of the players... I've heard them
all play a million times, live and recorded... I'm just saying that LTE was
OBVIOUSLY put together in a very short time. From a technical standpoint -
Amazing. From an emotional standpoint - Ehh... not bad... (i'm not
talking abuot balads. Emotion in music comes in many forms in MANY
different ways. i.e. Emotion from the Mirror being some sort of anger comes
from the presision of it.)
I guess that makes it 4 cents...
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:42:49 -0400
From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ART SGX-2000 Express for sale
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980724234249.006a9004@mail.clemson.edu>
Hey hey all, sorry for the lack of DTC, i'll make it short, i promise. I've
decided to sell my effects box in order to get a new guitar. It's an ART
SGX-2000 Express. It cost me $600. I'm also selling the ART footpedal
controller, the X-15. That cost me $240. Buy em both (they're designed to
work together) and you get a special price. Great condition. Anyone
interested, please e-mail me at dmc@dreamt.org and we'll talk. Thanks. Moo.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:31:00 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Spice of Magellan?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980725012819.15004A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> LOL!!!! Ive always said that, in the part where JO sings something like "bla
> bla do what you wanna do you know you shouldnt do it but you do it anyway" ( i
> dont have the lyrics near me) it sounded like that spice girl tune. ( all of
> them? :)
> Kind of like the bobby brown song on the chorus! :)
Well, I actually don't know what song you're talking about, since
I don't have any Savatage disc, but yesterday Marcelo V. and Jose Lucas
came here at home and Marcelo put some Savatage discs for me to listen and
I told him exactly this thing!
Marcelo, is it that tune that I told you that was similar to Spice
Girls?? :-)
I guess that I'm not the only one who had that impression,
anyway... :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:35:04 EDT From: Inflammabl@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: First song I played. Message-ID: <d6d0118a.35b96079@aol.com>
Well, I must say that I started playing with 2 teachers (via their CD's) Kenny Arnoff (renowned drummer for John (Couger) Melloncamp) He's a no- frills but all around good drummer who managed to teach me everything that was possible to do in 4/4 time. One thing that Arnoff is good at is melodic drumming. His ghost notes on the snare are great, and that has helped me now. The second is Paul Geary from Extreme, pre-Mangini drummer. His drumming was great, but still basic. I really got better from listening to him play and coming up with my own beats for stuff that he did that was a little too basic for the song; I think this is why he left Extreme. Nuno was kind of disappointed that Paul couldn't do all that Nuno wanted on III sides to every story. Nuno actually sequenced the drum part on Cupids dead so that it was the way he wanted it. This is probably why Extreme never played Cupid's dead live while Paul was the drummer. Now for influences I listen to Portnoy (can't really play a lot of his stuff, but I sure am intrigued) and Peart. Peart is the king of snare drum and melodic drumming. I recommend getting "A work in Progress" DEFINATELY worth every dime! Later, J Jeremy "Jay" Kube inflammabl@aol.com kube@nh.ultranet.com jkube@cyberportal.net "Sex is Death, Death is Sex; Says it right here on my crucifix!" John P. Petrucci, Dream Theater. "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house. Ever." John Perrault
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:38:58 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Ripping off? :-) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980725013409.15004B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Marcelo Vanzin wrote:
> I think this one goes for the guys into older Angra (Viper) and Empty > Tremor... :-) [...] > The Rog=E9rio reached his CD collection and brought Viper's "Theatre of > Fate" saying "Listen to this!", and I remembered: the beginning of ET's > "Slice of Life" is EXACTLY the SAME as Viper's "Illusion", or, in the > least, very very close. Check it for yourselves. :-)=09
I must say that that evening was cool... Many song comparisons... :-) And what about the Savagirls? Or should I say Spicetage? :-)
The funny thing was that just after 12h or so, I see the same thing posted here in the jam!!! Talk about telepathy! :-)
[]s, Roger...
P.S.: Andrew, I'm glad that you liked Viper's "Theatre of Fate" and I do agree with the fact that they sound like Angra -- and the reasons aren't just because Andre' Matos was/is the singer of both bands: the compositions are similar. Of course, Angra has evolved a bit with time and left those melodic heavy metal foundations to pursue a more symphonic sound now... Anyway, I'm glad that you liked that trade... It was a long time ago... :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:40:54 -0500 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozz Fest Message-ID: <199807250635.XAA17599@odin.ax.com>
Hey, in case anyone's going to Ozz Fest in St. Louis tomorrow (technically today, the 25th), I'll be around either wearing a Touring Into Infinity shirt of maybe a Saviour Machine shirt, so keep an eye out for me and don't be afraid to come up and say hey.
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:35:38 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@geocities.com> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTE Theme/DT songs Message-ID: <01bdb796$6fa1e420$349acf98@default>
Hey Jammers- My Liquid Tension Experiment Desktop Theme is now available for download. For those of you who tried to download it and was unable, the problem is now fixed. The link is http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566/ltetheme.htm
As for the DT songs that I learned first (on bass), i figured out some of I&W and when I bought Awake, I figured out Erotomania, LIE, and Voices. Now, with the help of tab, I mastered Erotomania, and most of I&W. Now my current project (now that i finally have WDADU) is Ytsejam. As for FII, i'm still awaiting its arrival from BMG.
Enough from me. Later -Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:08:11 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re:Bass solos Message-ID: <35B9845A.4C44EDA8@isd.net>
Neil Gallop wrote: >Bass solos - why has nobody mentioned Chris Squire "The Fish" on >Yessongs? I've been listening to this track on and off for 25 years now and >it never ceases to amaze me. I have to agree here... Any self-respecting bass player out here is cheating himself if he/she has never listened to The Fish. (Live or studio)
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Aaron Smith <js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4099 Message-ID: <199807250714.DAA26184@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
> Just saw this on the Ytsejam. Most of the good stuff is probably gone, but > just in case...I noticed that you're opening a gaming shop. Are you still > interested in trading CDs for cards? I can send you a list if you want. Here > are the CDs I'm interested in:
Damndamndamndamn...sorry about this. it was obviously supposed to be a reply directly to Mike. I guess I have an excuse for being distracted while posting this, though...I was in one of the Capitol office buildings in Washington, D.C. today when the shootings happened. :|
Jeremy -- Jeremy A. Smith Looking for these DT shows: University of Rochester 10/24/94 Buffalo 07/31/96 JP Clinic js013b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu .. 08/03/95 Providence 10/29/97 Toronto Brought to you by the letter: oe 12/27/95 New London
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:44:38 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Saving Private Ryan Message-ID: <35B98CE6.4F6E@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
Go see it. See it NOW. It's hands down the best movie of the year, and is fighting Braveheart in my mind for the title of most realistic war movie ever made. Don't miss it. It's INTENSE.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply - Hardcore fan of Dream Theater, King's X, Rush (the band), and more!!! - Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge" - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ - If it's nae Scottish, it's CRAP!
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 04:15:22 EDT From: JKorby1973@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DEREK SHERINIAN W/ ALICE COOPER! Message-ID: <a81864e6.35b9941b@aol.com>
Hey boys and girls! I just saw Alice Cooper thurs. night and it was a pretty cool show. His band is great. As you can tell from my sub heading, our brotha Derek was on keys. Also, Alice had Reb Beach on guitar (whom he's had for awhile) and Eric Singer from KISS. What a great line up! I was surprised to see Derek there though, because I hadn't heard anything about him joining Alice's summer tour. Now I'm assuming that he's just doing this as a side thing until DT hits the road w/ Deep Purple, I mean, he's still w/ DT hopefully, right? Anyways, the show was great and I got some cool pics of Derek, Alice, and Reb on stage, and I got 2 picks from Reb- who was totally cool. I also got to meet Reb outside after the show right before the tour bus was about to take off. Now don't flame me too much, because I know he was w/ Winger and shit, but the guy CAN play, you can't deny that. I didn't get to meet up w/ Derek because he took off immediately after the show with some gorgeous blonde-(she must be his keyboard instructor!....yeah, right!) But did anyone else know Derek was gonna tour w/ Alice? It was a cool surprise, but it just made me wonder. Later jammers! Justin PS- Alice never did come out of the bus.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:48:17 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MI? UK Jammers? Keyboards? Message-ID: <v01510100b1df5497bd69@[194.7.177.113]>
Hi all,
Sorry for the NDTC, but I wouldn't know where else to ask this stuff.
I've been playing with the idea of going to M.I. in California (if I ever get the money together !), and I was just wondering if it's really all it's cracked up to be. I got their catalog a couple of weeks ago, and it just seems like THE thing to do. Facilities sound great, got a chance to live, eat and breathe music for a couple of months (or longer ...). Anyway, all views on this are most welcome. Private email is fine.
Staying on the topic of M.I., I remember someone telling me that M.I. opened a school in the UK as well. I'd really prefer to go to Ca, but if travel costs and the cost of living are too high I would settle for England. So if anyone has an address, phone/fax number or email, please send it to me, so I can contact them to compare the two. By the way, if the UK doesn't have a keyboard course, don't bother. I don't see myself strapping my synth around my neck and picking it :-)
Now to jump on this thread about learning DT, what songs do the keyboardists among you recommend as a starting point? I've started on TTT, but the solos are really a bitch to learn. Anything simpler I can start with?
Thanks
FiveNgroK ... thinks going to California and staying there for life would rule !!!
CP: Without Warning - Step Beyond
If you can't stand the heat, don't boil your eggs. (just one of many FiveNgroKisms)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:45:07 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap. Message-ID: <01BDB7C6.3A8452C0@45.154.dialin.mxs.nl>
Al Balkiewicz wrote :
>> WE (THE EYES OF UNIVERSE FAN CLUB) OFFER THE CD FOR 20 $ INC POSTAGE >> AND PACKAGE. Visit our page (merchandise) for more info. >> We are very fast and will send the CD out just after recieving the >> payment. > > Hopefully, it's faster than the demo tapes people were supposed > to get. It's been a couple of months, and I still haven't > gotten mine.
I received my promo tape last week, so I'm sure yours will arrive soon too... Took a couple of months, but they probably got a lot more requests than they bargained for. Also, keep in mind that the tapes are being dubbed one by one and that actually SELLING their music probably has a slightly higher priority than sending out free tapes. :)
It's well worth the wait, though... Great stuff ! _____
Does anyone know the email address of the guy or company that was taking orders for Instrumental I and II (and III ?). Think I saw a post about it a few months ago...
Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:28:32 +0200 From: ALF <alf_1@geocities.com> To: galleryofshadows@coollist.com, teof@makelist.com, freaks@ax.com, Subject: Metropolis 2 audio clip ! Message-ID: <35B9DD7F.B3C86B34@geocities.com>
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Metal fans,
I just thought you would be interested :
A friend of mine from UK has send me an audio clip and told me it's a part of the METROPOLIS 2 demo by Dream Theater !
This clip kick ass. Dose anybody know the release date ?
I've made it online so everyone can download it (only for a limited time).
goto: http://www.Geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hanger/4774/kickass.htm
ciao
>ALF<
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<HTML> <TT>Metal fans,</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>I just thought you would be interested :</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>A friend of mine from UK has send me an audio clip and told me</TT> <BR><TT>it's a part of the METROPOLIS 2 demo by Dream Theater !</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>This clip kick ass. Dose anybody know the release date ?</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>I've made it online so everyone can download it (only for a limited time).</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>goto: <A HREF="http://www.Geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hanger/4774/kickass.htm">http://www.Geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hanger/4774/kickass.htm></TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>ciao</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>>ALF<</TT><TT></TT>
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