YTSEJAM Digest 3950
Today's Topics:
1) orchestral recommendation
by Devs0432@aol.com
2) more classical/Yanni
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
3) Replacement for Ginger Spice
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Re: The State
by "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) Steve Hogarth, New MFP list
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) Re: Steve Hogarth, New MFP list
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
7) Re: Replacement for Ginger Spice
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
8) Antiquities, When Dream and ... or Subconcious
by AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br>
9) Response to Review of Liquid Tension Experiment
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
10) This Just In...
by Perk1994@aol.com
11) Re: Classical music
by erodger@fore.com
12) the music industry replacing the ginger
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
13) Orchestra music question
by Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu>
14) Re: A little help
by Theiban@aol.com
15) RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Self-Indulgence
by "Kurt Kober" <phobos@net-lynx.com>
17) Oui. C'est correcte.
by Uroborosss@aol.com
18) More classical stuff
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:29:01 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: orchestral recommendation
Message-ID: <9288b3d5.3572c8bf@aol.com>
Calvin6S queried:
>>Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I
continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like
the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful
sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music.
Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out
some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording
you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in
particular>>
Awright, something big, orchestral, with those angry parts of which you speak
(and pardon me if anyone has recommended something that I am now repeating,
I'm a bit backlogged on 'jams) is the New World Symphony by Dvorak. Excellent
piece of music! Really grabs you. I heard it this year at college (my roomie
is somewhat of a classical music buff) and I love it. I also would recommend
anything Beethoven, just be careful, since he does a bit of piano and other
non-orchestral type stuff out there. Hope this helps you a tad.
Alex
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: more classical/Yanni
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980601112432.20007C-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Some more quick notes re: classical stuff:
Holst -- "The Planets". Many people have mentioned this but no specifics.
Dutoit with the Montreal Symphony Orchestra does an outstanding job.
Stravinsky -- "Rite of Spring"/Le sacre du printemps. Same goes. Inbal
with the Philharmonia Orchestra is a good choice.
Orff -- "Carmina Burana" (Stokowski, Houston Symphony Orchestra or
Stokowski/Berlin Philharmonic)
KorgX3 redeemed himself for those remarks about Andre Matos with this:
> Bah, pick up Yanni - Tribute. He's got a 40+ piece orchestra on it.
> There's alot of solo standout stuff on there, too, but all in all, it's the
> pinnacle of modern day compostitions, IMO.
The key word here's "modern day". This is new age stuff mixed with
powerful orchestral compositions -- and a lot of progressive leanings as
well. If you like "Tribute" you will probably also like "Live at the
Acropolis", Yanni's first all-orchestral disc.
Yanni rulez. Oh, and Dream Theater's pretty good too.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"I never should have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Johnny Winter -- "Serious Business"
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Replacement for Ginger Spice
Message-ID: <199806011549.LAA15057@umbc8.umbc.edu>
The ideal replacement for Geri would be Devin Townsend. Just listening
to his singing on Sex and Religion and Working Man.
:)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:48:41 -0400 From: "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The State Message-ID: <3572CD59.2261A748@caribe.net>
Dale R. Newberry wrote:
> > Ok im confused here... i wasnt Kids in the hall on HBO?, > Okay, yet another incident of my inherent idiocy. I meant The State, > not KitH. yeah, KitH was on HBO, The State was on MTV. Both > hilarious shows. > > Dale R. Newberry > drnewb@spiff.net > > "I'm hip about time."
Nuff said... i still cant believe the sorry excuse for show the guys from the state are on now... ( viva variety anyone? :)
--
-The Next John Petrucci :)
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:07:47 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Steve Hogarth, New MFP list Message-ID: <01BD8D8C.80F1A5A0@59.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
Alex Smith wrote :
> Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? > I love Fish Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks.
Not that it matters, but I personally think Steve Hogarth is one of the most brilliant singers around, in addition to being a great lyricist. He's the only male singer able to move me emotionally...
Oh yeah, there will be a US release of Steve Hogarth's solo album "Ice Cream Genius" at the end of July, which will have an extra track called "The Last Thing" (previously released on a single in Europe). The album will be re-released under Steve's full name, rather than just "H"... For more info, check out "The H Website" at :
http://www.hogarth.com/steve/ _____
For those who are interested, I've just uploaded the new "Most Frequent Poster" list to Itchy's DT Homepage at :
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-31-1998
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:45:30 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steve Hogarth, New MFP list Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980601094529.006daaec@lainet.com>
At 09:48 AM 6/1/98 -0700, Mark wrote: > > > Alex Smith wrote : > >> Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? >> I love Fish Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks. > > Not that it matters, but I personally think Steve Hogarth > is one of the most brilliant singers around, in addition > to being a great lyricist. He's the only male singer able > to move me emotionally...
I'm going to have to agree with Mark on this one. When I first heard H a few years back, I was floored. I'd heard some extremely incredible vocalists before. Ray Alder and Geoff Tate had always been influences on my vocals, but no one had done what H had. No one really had the voice, and the emotion behind the voice, that H does. H lives the words and voice he shares with all of us. It's amazing to hear someone pour their entire soul into a breath and make it sound as sweet as H does.
Kudos to Mark for stickin up for mah boy. =D
-sp00L
is there anybody listening? is there anyone that sees what's going on? read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling think for yourself and feel the walls... become sand beneath your feet
- queensryche, anybody listening?
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Replacement for Ginger Spice Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980601100817.17015A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, L. Jason Hartman wrote:
> >The ideal replacement for Geri would be Devin Townsend. Just listening >to his singing on Sex and Religion and Working Man.
Nah... James LaBrie (you may have heard of him -- he's from that band Winter Rose) would make a great replacement. Cheesy Spice. (grin)
(it was going to be said sooner or later)
--Matt
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:12:33 -0300 From: AlexandroTalamini <Alexandro@Boticario.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Antiquities, When Dream and ... or Subconcious Message-ID: <CB9A835262C6D1118B3B00805FEA2A7107720F@CORREIO>
Hi!
I'm setting up a trade and would like to know wich boot (ANTIQUITIES, WHEN DREAM AND TODAY UNITE, ANTIQUITIES) to choose. Anyone to give me a clue?
Thanks,
Alexandro Curitiba, Brazil
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:23 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Response to Review of Liquid Tension Experiment Message-ID: <19980601172308.CPHI20960@[166.33.99.41]>
Here's My Response to Mr. Lalaina's review.
Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________
Subject: Response to Review of Liquid Tension Experiment
>Guitar World magazine - July 1998 > >Liquid Tension Experiment (2 stars) > > One of the few successful purveyors of Eighties-style shredding >around, Dream Theater's John Petrucci has managed to thrive at a time when >technical razzle-dazzle is no longer in vogue. On these two side projects, >he teams up with some heavyweight players to showcase his high-flying style.
OK first of all John Petrucci is alot more than just so-called 80's Shred. If the reviewer had ever really listened to some of his playing with Dream Theater he'd know that.
> Liquid Tension Experiment is another prefab supergroup. Assisting >Petrucci on this all-instrumental shred-fest is King Crimson bassist Tony >Levin, Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy and ex-Dixie Dregs keyboardist >Jordan Rudess, but unfortunately, there are few rousing melodies to speak of >- just self-indulgent, solo-mad forrays for the most part.
Few rousing melodies? I think "Somebody" wouldn't know a melody if it bit them in the #%$. There are kick ass melodies all over LTE. I guess Mr. Lalaina must have skipped State of Grace!
>It's no surprise that this endeavor was written, rehearsed and recorded >during an intense one-week period; it sounds more like an overblown jam >session, with little inspiration or imagination, than a coherent album.
>>jam session
Well no freakin" DUH. Obviously the reviewer has no concept of this type of music. So my question is why is he reviewing a type of music he doesn't know or like. It's fine to have a personal opinion, but this review goes way beyond that and yo can tell he doesn't get into this kind of music. You guys should really get reviewers who are more open minded and like stuff besides Green Day and Pearl Jam. There's way more to life than Alterna-grunge.
>If Liquid Tension Experiment ever makes another album, they should take >more than a week out of their lives to do it. > - Joe Lalaina.
All I can say is I hope they do more, no matter how much time they take. You can also send me Mr. Lalaina's copy and I will give it an open honest review.
Thanks for listening,
Ed Voras
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:41:56 EDT From: Perk1994@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This Just In... Message-ID: <91a1b3a8.3572e7e5@aol.com>
Hello everyone,
For all of you King Crimson/Spice Girls fans out there, this just came over the AP entertainment wire here at work:
GINGER SPICE LEAVES SPICE GIRLS
LONDON -- Gerry Halliwell, known throughout the world as Ginger Spice from the mega-popular all-girl group, the Spice Girls, has left the platinum-selling group in order to pursue her lifelong dream of performing with her idol, guitarist Robert Fripp, who is most known for being the founder of the art- rock group King Crimson. Ginger will go on a world tour with Fripp and fellow King Crimson members, Tony Levin (bass) and Bill Bruford (drums), in aband called ProjecKt 3. There have already been two ProjecKts featuring members of King Crimson. This will be the first ProjecKt that has featured a non-Crimson musician.
"When I heard that Robby said that Scary Spice was his favorite Spice Girl," said Halliwell, "I was so happy that he even knew who we were. I bumped into Robby on the metro one night and begged him to allow me to play with him in a band."
"What can I say," said Fripp. "I've wanted to work with Ginger since I saw her in that magazine spread years ago. What a set of.... pipes!"
Levin was unavailable for comment, as he was on the set of his new movie, "The G. Gordon Liddy Story." Bruford released this short comment: "At least she's better than that no-talented Tony Kaye (former keyboardist with Yes)!"
Take care, Adam Perkowsky
P.S.-- THE PRECEDING WAS A JOKE, although the Tony Kaye comments are probably true! : )
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:24:44 -0400 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Classical music Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980601142444.00ebabd0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Steve Z. wrote: > >Gustav Mahler--just about anything > >Hector Berlioz--Symphonie Fantastique > >Modest Mussorgsky--pictures at an exhibition > >Gustav Holst--The planets
Finally someone mentions Berlioz. The Fantastic Symphony is a must for anyone enjoying the darker side of classical, especially movement 5. This piece was written under the influence of opium, and I think it's pretty obvious. My band used to use this as intro music, when not using the overture from Jesus Christ Superstar.
KAI
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:48:09 -0800 From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the music industry replacing the ginger Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA1018F3FBF@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
since the music industry has seemed to be spending all its time filling the shoes and ears or our current top 40 'kibbles and bits'-style craving for music with people who we, for the most part, could have birthed, it's come to my attention that the music industry people are thinking that it may be a good time to get 'back to the roots' of music. it's time to bring back the bacon.
introducing
old spice.
the concert will never stink again.
-= norg =-
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:03:47 -0400 From: Daus Studenberg <daus@ufl.edu> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Orchestra music question Message-ID: <01BD8D70.891D6320@ppp-03-nerdc-ts5.nerdc.ufl.edu>
Hey Jammers!
Since we are now talking about Orchestrated music (GREAT THREAD!), I = have a question. I was always wondering which symphony made the BEST = Hungarian Rhapsody recording. Also, I was always wondering who = composed that music that you would typically here played during "mad = scientist scenes" or "Frankenstein scenes" in movies. Does anyone know = who i am taling about?? It is a piece played on a pipe organ. =20
d a u s s t u d e n b e r g=20
"few will try, most will quit" - Tom Ryan
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:19:17 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A little help Message-ID: <b169d427.3572feb6@aol.com>
that was Moonlight sonata's first movement
Rocky
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> Subject: RE: 21 Century Schizoid Man Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980601160250.5462A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > And so did PFM (live at least), but then they (like ELP) also worked with > > Peter Sinfield. > > As well as the Manticore Record Label, if I recall. Damn! There's a > flash from the past. Italian Prog from the 70's :) I have Chocolate > Kings, Cook, and one other on vinyl somewhere.
...and don't forget that Bad Religion (on the Epitaph label - also from KC) does "21st Century (Digital Boy)" - a 90's parody of the song.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:34:50 -0400 From: "Kurt Kober" <phobos@net-lynx.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Self-Indulgence Message-ID: <01bd8da5$1ba59a80$d8f689ce@phobos.net-lynx.com>
Pardon me whilst I indulge my own sorry self here, but...
What in the hell is wrong with being self-indulgent? If a player has a style he likes and I happen to like also, as is evidently the case with JP and MP and the others in LTE, then I goddamn jolly well WANT them to be self-indulgent. What’s the alternative, “mob-indulgent?” Seems to me a great artist should screw the Great Wad and be true to his or her own vision. I can’t think of anything more self-indulgent--or more admirable.
The preceding was inspired by the Guitar World drone and his countless brethren of review-writing hacks who seem intent on dissing great musicians for the very qualities that make them great.
KK
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:47:56 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oui. C'est correcte. Message-ID: <7297949d.3573218e@aol.com>
> From: Alan Estrada <alan_estrada@bigfoot.com> > Subject: Re: Spagnolo. Non e' cosi semplice. > > >Secondo me, non e' vero. Non ci credo! > > > >Samuel Jackson could probably have replied much better than I just did. > > I bet he could, you just replied on itialian, the original post was on > spanish (=
No kidding? If you post a language I don't understand will I do the same? You bet! Monkey see, monkey do! Monkey does the same as you! OOH-OOH-OOH-AAH-AAH- AAH-AAH!!!
But seriously, could Samuel Jackson ever get into bands like Ozric Tentacles or Extreme? I don't think so. Let's face it, he wouldn't last a day on Ytsejam. Are we cool here or what, Alan? :)
Bafu Vado Vai Va Andiamo Andate Vadano
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:18:34 -0400 From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More classical stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980601181834.006975a8@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Back home now with a few more classical recommendations:
J.S. Bach -- Concerti (2) for Violin; Concerto for 2 Violins (try Hogwood, Academy of Ancient Music)
Handel -- Concerti Grossi (usually available in 3-CD sets -- try Turovsky, I Musici de Montreal)
Mozart -- Violin Concerto 3, 5 (Perlman, Vienna Philharmonic) -- "The Magic Flute"/Die Zauberflote (Solti, Vienna Philharmonic and Chorus) -- Serenade in G "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" (Hogwood, Academy of Ancient Music -- usually you can find this with other Mozart serenades like the 9th "Notturno" serenade) -- Symphonies 25, 28, 29 (Mackerras, Prague Chamber Orchestra) -- Symphonies 35-36, 38-41 (Walter, Columbia Symphony Orchestra)
Mendelssohn -- Symphonies 3, 4 (Abbado, London Symphony Orchestra)
Mussorgsky -- "Night on Bald Mountain" (Maazel, Cleveland Orchestra -- this one also includes the "Pictures at an Exhibition")
Many of these, even if not dark and disturbing per se, are powerful enough to move you in *some* way.
Hope this has helped some.
Ta, Phil
========================================================= Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Jonn Serrie -- "Ixlandia"
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