YTSEJAM Digest 3953
Today's Topics:
1) russian pop
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
2) Music from our time that will be remembered
by Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
3) re: Uh oh...WM doesn't give a f*&k....
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) LTE and Classical shtuff
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Yanni Yanni Yanni :)
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
6) release dates
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
7) Re: release dates
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
8) *Into The Great Unknown* I venture.....
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
9) Re: release dates
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
10) Pax Berlioza
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
11) Re: release dates
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
12) Re: russian pop
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
13) he's alive!
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
14) Re: Who are Chris&Kev on LTE? ANSWER!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) cool classical music
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:53:29 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: russian pop
Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A358@ms.kallback.com>
> BOOM bop boop bee do bah dap
> BOOM BOOM bop bee bee do bah dap
> BOOM bop boop bee do bah dap
> BOOM... bah dap bap doo bah dap bow!
>
Sounds like the Russian version of MMMbop.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:30:59 -0500
From: Big Swifty <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music from our time that will be remembered
Message-ID: <3573FE93.172@auburn.net>
Korg wrote...
> As Bach,
> Beethoven, and co. are still revered as wonders of the music world, who do
> you think people will be considering the classics in another 200 years?
Hmmm...I don't know about Yanni. Maybe he will be remembered long from
now. I have to think that Philip Glass, John Cage, Steve Reich, and
maybe George Crumb fit the bill. I'd like to say that Frank Zappa will
be remembered as more than the guy who sang "Dinah-Moe Humm," but
somehow I doubt it. I think the most notable names from this century
will also include jazzmen such as Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John
Coltrane, etc.
Never mind.
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:06:50 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Uh oh...WM doesn't give a f*&k....
Message-ID: <357406FA.9D368AF1@ici.net>
"The Posting Man" spewed thusly:
> Orchestral classics... Eh, quite far away from DTC, isn't it? Although I =
> do like Bach & Vivaldi (even some of "Ludwig van"'s works), I think this =
> discussion belongs somewhere else... don't you?
> Oh well, In other words: I don't give a f--k!
<sigh>
Do you have any idea how irritating it gets that whenever *any* thread
"takes over" the jam like this, even if it's on topic, some shmuck has
to bitch that it doesn't belong here because HE'S not interested in it?
Guess what? I'm not particularly interested in it either, because I
mostly stopped listening to classical music when I stopped being a
performing musician. BUT, I think it is a very valid thread, if for not
other reason than DT has a lot more in common with some of these
classical composers than they do with so-called "radio music". I've
always had the opinion that DT are more composers of music than writers,
simply because the complexity of much of their music requires more
thought and work.
So, I'm sure we're all very, very sorry that you don't like the topic.
Get a helmet. Use the Page Down key. And the next time you have the urge
to send an asinine post to the jam, please don't.
-- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.just-like.nu IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ Join the YCSRF today!------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:07:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: LTE and Classical shtuff Message-ID: <199806021507.KAA18597@enteract.com>
Greeto.
No me speako multiple languagesolo, porque the other white meat-o. Seriously, though. I wanted to comment on the LTE review. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? Come on. I subscribed on one of them multi year deals a long time ago, and have gotten GW ever since, and ever since MTV declared that people with musical integrity are dangerous, and can not easily be controlled with the dollar sign, thus shunning them and praising the harbingers of musical sorrow, GW has followed the golden Viacom trail in its "I'll suck your love nodule if you keep it coming!" pose. People who have been witnessed this paradigm shift will recall Vai bashing, Satriani bashing, Gilbert bashing... all of the money makers for the mag, all because that makes it cooler and more current. There is nothing we can do. You can't have an impact on them... even a Ytsejam petition is meaningless, because at this stage, there's so little popular music coming out that most of us respect from a musician's perspective, that even if they listened what could they do? Transcribe all of FII? LTE is a good disc. It deserves better than 2 stars. I'd go 3 to 3 1/2. If they didn't put "Recorded in 1 week" on the liners, and left out s Minute Warning, they would have scored somewhere in that range in GW (the reviewer probably lost it because it takes some patience to get into that tune's groove). I do not think for a second that this is groundbreaking music. It's cool, and JP and MP really shine on the disc, but they can do so much more if they put more time in, and seeing what they did in one week didn't make me go home and practice. Well, not that much. (and no, I don't mean I'm on that level... I just wanted to use my little quote thingy.) There really aren't the kind of well developed melodies and themes in the songs that I would have expected either. Don't get me wrong, there are melodies... but they sort of go from one to the next without some of what I would consider to be necessary connective juices. Flame me if you want (I dare you). You can't take away my nipples. Now, with regard to the classical thread: I find that the majority of the music that I dig in that genre (I use classical as a blanket term, though I suppose it only rally relates to one period of composition) comes from the Romantic era and beyond. The Romantic was the age of the virtuoso.. all kinds of shred and psychotic music was created in this age. The melodic ideas are usually very digestable... I think the really bizarre compositions and truly strange musical ideas didn't come about until the 20th century (the musical era... it extends to the late 19th century as well) composers, with a few exceptions by some composers immediately preceding the period. I am not an adept with this stuff, but music followed definite trends, even back then. I would recommend highly that anyone interested start by purchasing compilation cds. It's great to get recommendations, but that gets you one composer and no new leads. If you get some compilation discs, you're bound to find much more that you'll be interested in. You can always pass the compilation on to a friend once you have complete versions of the pieces you like from the disc. I took a music appreciation course that focused on just about all the areas of music that I neglected, and while my GF hated the course, I found a good 20 cds to add to my "Must Buy" list as a result.
Chris Ptacek - The Master of Internal Bleeding Joy.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:54:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yanni Yanni Yanni :) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980602114053.26725A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
At the risk of angering the Yanni-haters on the list (hi, Neil G.) :), I will add to KorgX3's recommendations: > If you like Yanni, pick up Yanni - Live at the Acropolis. Very much the > same as Tribute, only the focus is more on Yanni's playing rather than his > band. Still, it's one hell of a ride. Looking farther back after those, > I'd purchase Dare to Dream, Reflections of Passion, and In Celebration of > life, respectively. Most of the production on his albums is near perfect, > so don't be worried about that. :)
Let me second the recommendation for "Live at the Acropolis". The video version includes 4 songs that aren't on the CD (cut for time reasons), including "Marching Season", probably Yanni's most exciting composition.
It should be noted that "Reflections of Passion" and "In Celebration of Life" are compilation discs, with little new material. "Dare to Dream" is indeed worth picking up, as are "Keys To Imagination", "Out of Silence", and "Chameleon Days". The latter three are primarily keyboard-heavy albums; the orchestrations are all done by keyboards. Some of the songs have a definite 80's sound, but the compositions are outstanding. "Dare to Dream" was (if I remember right) the first Yanni disc to make use of real orchestrations. (Or was it "In My Time"? I forget; when you have ten Yanni discs, it's easy to get them mixed up).
Reiterating something I said yesterday -- Yanni rulez. Rick A., back me up. :)
Trevor wrote: > Yanni suggestions: Live at the Acropolis-cool disc, even some odd > meter stuff. Great live recording. I would've gone to see him if tix > weren't $70.
Hm, I suppose I shouldn't be mentioning that I'll be at the Atlanta June 13th show in the 5th row (to the tune of $90). Oh, well, I didn't need to eat that week anyway.
Per P. remarked: > Orchestral classics... Eh, quite far away from DTC, isn't it? Although I = > do like Bach & Vivaldi (even some of "Ludwig van"'s works), I think this = > discussion belongs somewhere else... don't you? > Oh well, In other words: I don't give a f--k!
Then page down. Doesn't take any effort at all. Trying to stop a discussion that's already in full swing here is like trying to hold back a St. Bernard who's decided he wants to chase a cat. It's useless and only pisses off the St. Bernard. :)
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Tangerine Dream -- "Tyranny of Beauty"
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:06:01 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: release dates Message-ID: <3574A179.E47@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
Here are some release dates in the next months, which I found around the net and in magazines :
* June 98 :
Chroma Key - Dead Air For Radios Explore's Club - The Age Of Impact
* July 98 :
Royal Hunt - Paradox live (Japan) Royal Hunt - Paradox live Video (Japan)
* August 98 :
Enchant - Break Superior - Younique Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove Savatage - Live album and Video (Europe/Japan)
* September 98 :
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny Yngwie Malmsteen - Live album (Japan only) Steve Vai - Box Set Altanatica (formaly known as Metallica) - Live album
* October 98 :
Fates Warning - Live album 2CD Yngwie Johann Malmsteen - Concerto For Orchestra and Guitar (International) Rhapsody - Symphony Of Enchanted Lands Rush - Live album
* November 98 :
Angra - Untitled Stratovarius - Untitled Queensryche - Untitled Sepultura - Untitled Treshold - Untitled
* January/February/March 99 :
Empty Tremor - Untiteld Rush - Untitled Royal Hunt - Untitled
Also, new albums in year 1999 by :
Megadeth Dream Theater Fates Warning Tony Macalpine The Quit Room Europe
NP : Liquid Tnesion Experiment - LTE
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:41:51 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: release dates Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980602094150.006da708@lainet.com>
One of the things you've forgetten in the list:
July 98:
Dahli's Delima =)
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:40:12 +0100 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: *Into The Great Unknown* I venture..... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980602174012.00922da0@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello everyone (again), Exams are almost over and I'll be leaving you all for good pretty soon (Stop cheering!!!!) but I thought I'd leave you all with a CD review - the brilliant "Into The Great Unknown" compilation by Open All Night Records. It's definitely worth the money, and it's not even very expensive considering the quality and fast delivery of the CD. The 2 DT tracks (UAGM and Peruvian Skies) sound great, if a little slow on UAGM, and the Savatage songs are just amazing. I'm not familiar with their music, yet, but hearing these has opened my eyes to them a little wider. My absolute favourites have to be Vanden Plas's "Rainmaker", Gamma Ray's "Valley Of The Kings", and Hammerfall's "Dragon Lies Bleeding" - all favourite studio songs of mine too, but the CD finishes greatly with Royal Hunt's "Stranded", an acoustic version, again by a band I'm not yet familiar with but the song is very soothing to me. The sound quality, as others have stated, is very clear considering it's an audience-based recording and I wouldn't hesitate in recommending this CD, and future OAN releases, to anyone!!!! If you'd like to contact OAN Records their e-mail addresses are: provibe@club-internet.fr kingofswing@hol.fr
See you all in October! Chris Parnham IRC:Insania ICQ:5714076
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:59:36 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: release dates Message-ID: <35742F78.60DAF4B1@pacbell.net>
John E. Martin wrote: > > One of the things you've forgetten in the list: > > July 98: > > Dahli's Delima =)
..and Dali's Dilemma even!
;o)
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:09:20 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pax Berlioza Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980602100920.006c6bf4@pop.cfmc.com>
>From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> >Subject: Berlioz and opium > >Berlioz did NOT write his Symphonie Fantastique on opium. He wrote the >fourth movement imagining that the hero of his symphony poisened himself on >opium. The fourth movement are the horrible nightmares of the symphonies' >hero. And incidentally, Berlioz did consider the hero of the Symphonie >Fantastique to be himself, but Berlioz did not write the symphony under the >influence of opium.
I'm pretty rabidly anti-drug, so this isn't any endorsement of opium, but my understanding of the piece is that Berlioz did, in fact, conjure up the notion of the Symphony Fantastique as a result of an opium dream. It's a great piece of music, but it's pretty gruesome....I mean, Henriette's beheaded in the piece. I guess that should appeal to Slayer fans, eh?
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Lost Souls: Howlin' at the Moon 2. Yes: Fragile 3. Iron Maiden: Iron Maiden 4. Rush: Hold Your Fire 5. Pete Droge: Necktie Second
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:18:06 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: release dates Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980602101805.007753e4@lainet.com>
At 10:10 AM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote: > >John E. Martin wrote: >> >> One of the things you've forgetten in the list: >> >> July 98: >> >> Dahli's Delima =) > > >..and Dali's Dilemma even! > >;o)
Uh, yeah, that's it ;)
Hey, do I see another one of those horrid spelling threads starting again! Please God, no! =D
-sp00L
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: russian pop Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980602111454.29434A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Trevor W. Hoit wrote:
> >> BOOM bop boop bee do bah dap >> BOOM BOOM bop bee bee do bah dap >> BOOM bop boop bee do bah dap >> BOOM... bah dap bap doo bah dap bow! >> >Sounds like the Russian version of MMMbop. > >
Actually, it's more like Aqua than Hanson.
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:17:37 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: he's alive! Message-ID: <001201bd8e52$b9f44da0$4a2746cf@micron.micron.net>
a couple quick thoughts:
Does anyone know anything about a DT shirt being worn on the X-Files? I haven't been watching it as much as I should so I might have missed it. It would have been a few months ago.
Anyone else notice that before Full on the Mouth, interspersed among all the Satch there were a couple tracks off the "Songs in the key of X" album? I'll go way out on a limb and say that was Mike's doing. :)
I must take this opportunity to mention that I was able to nab the pick that JP used for a good portion of the concert in SF. Just by looking at his pick you can tell how much he rules. Only the very tip is at all scuffed, but it's wasted. In a perfectly straight line too. grr.
Anyone else play Starcraft on here? I challenge anyone to a duel! I was up to 1120 (in 23 games) before the reset. :P I know Mosh and Eckie play but I haven't found them online yet. Anyone else?
woot
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Who are Chris&Kev on LTE? ANSWER! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980602142228.26622E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Well, that isn't fair. How am i supposed to go get a magazine that I can't read, simply to get a little cd with two bonus tracks. No fiar, MP. No fair at all.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:00:50 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: cool classical music Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980602150050.0079f100@pop3.afn.org>
Shostakovich = Symphony 5. Great dark orchestral piece. I got this on a disk by Telarc with Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, which is a great piece (and, noticably, the only CD I own with so much bass it makes the cd player skip from the vibration of the speakers). Shostakovich's 8th string quartet needs to be mentioned as the most stunningly dark piece of classical music I can think of, so of course I like it.
Carl Nielsen's symphonies. Majestic stuff, here, lots of brass. Some, such as the Four Humours (which includes my favorite, Melancholia), are pretty dark.
Early Bach. Bach's early stuff, when he was focusing on fugues and other pieces mainly for organ or such, is pretty cool. His later stuff bores me.
Messiaen's Turangalila-Symphonie. Great orchestral piece, scary at parts, eerie piano work and the ondes martenot, basically a theremin with keys.
Mozart's Concerto in D Minor. Nothing will compare to the version by Bobby McFerrin's chamber orchestra and Chick Corea, but it's still a beautiful piece.
Stravinsky -- everyone knows Rite of Spring is good, but his Symphony in C and Sympony in Three Movements are also worth listening to.
Bela Fleck, Mike Marshall, Edgar Meyer - Uncommon Ritual Yo-yo Ma, Edgar Meyer, Mark O'Connor - Appalachia Waltz These are two of the best classical albums I own. Trios mixing classical and bluegrass and bits of celtic music and anything else.
Ryuichi Sakamoto - 1996. Piano trios that are astoundingly gorgous.
Oh, and of course the most beautiful flute playing ever is by Steve Gorn on Tony Levin's From the Caves of the Iron Mountain.
"So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out. You should have known better after all this time. You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander.... Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/
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