YTSEJAM Digest 3954
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Question about keyboard setups and looking for rare CD's
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Future Legends
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
3) Re: Yanni Yanni Yanni :)
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
4) Re: he's alive (AND SOON YOU WILL DIE)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Those Chris and Kev sluts
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
6) Re: DT picture
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
7) 2 cents on Classical music...
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
8) re: Steve Hogarth, New MFP list
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
9) Discog, anyone object?
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
10) re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
11) Berlioz's substance abuse...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Yanni Tribute...
by Jan-Michael Souter <jmsouter@airmail.net>
13) Fantastique
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
14) Samuel L. Jackson
by Jan-Michael Souter <jmsouter@airmail.net>
15) Steve Hogarth vs. Fish
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) instrumental recommendations
by jkimpton@usaserve.net
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:20:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Question about keyboard setups and looking for rare CD's
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980602151733.26622G-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I wouldn't go with the Alesis keyboard. Here's some other ideas. if you
like prog sounds, check these out. korg Trinity, Yamaha ex5, Roland xp80.
As far as what Kevin used, Korg dw8000, roland jd800, and I think a Korg
o1w pro. For Geddy, you would have to be more specific. In his firstera,
moving pictures and before, he was using a minimoog, moog taurus bass
pedals, a roland jp8 and an oberheim obxa and ob8. From Grace under
pressure, he added a ppg wave 2.3. When Power Windows rolled around, he
got really nuts. he was using the wppg, and some emulator II samplers. For
Hold your fire, he got into Roland d550 racks, d50 keyboards and more shit
than I can remember. he used Korg pedals but I think they were just midi
pedals. nOw, I have no idea. I think he using roland samplers, though. He
may also be using a Nord Lead. But he doesn't say anymore. he doesn't care
about his keyboards anymore and never mentions them.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:48:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Future Legends Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980602153406.81126C-100000@archa14.cc.uga.edu>
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > My friend and I had an interesting conversation the other day. Not that > this classical thread isn't great, but it sort of ties into it. As Bach, > Beethoven, and co. are still revered as wonders of the music world, who do > you think people will be considering the classics in another 200 years? > Anyone from our time period you could think of? Personally, I can't think > of anyone (save maybe Yanni) from the recent past who have the ability to > last generations. Bill Gates, maybe?
*Only* Yanni? You've got to be kidding. There are at least a couple that come to mind whom I'd be willing to bet top dollar will be revered by future generations and who's recordings will be played over and over for eternity like the treasures that they are. The first one is pretty obvious: Vanilla Ice. No other musician I've heard within this century has composed such masterful pieces. No one. He can have me pumping my fist in the air one second and weeping uncontrollably the next. The man's voice is pure emotion, and we are but puppets on a string when we hear him. Secondly, of course---you guessed it, Frank Stallone. Third would be the natural, revolutionary genius Puff Daddy. If only I had 1/10000000 of his talent...IF ONLY!!!!!!!! But then again, who does, right? The next one that comes to mind is the immortal Kurt Cobain. The voice of our generation. The spokesperson of our angst. The one brave enough to let our parents know what they've done to us. No one before or after has been able to bang an out of tune guitar and scream unintelligible nonsense like this god among men. Oh poor, poor state that we now are in with his loss! Shall our children forever go unaware of a legend such as this? I think not. Those will be the records playing when we officially inhabit the moon, and settle Mars someday. The true wonders of our time. LOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Blind Guardian--Imaginations From The Other Side ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "We say revolution... ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist" -Mustaine ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yanni Yanni Yanni :) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980602154453.6882A-100000@voyager.cris.com>
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Phil Carter wrote:
> Reiterating something I said yesterday -- Yanni rulez. Rick A., back me > up. :)
Oh, this must be my cue.
"Yanni. Dig it."
Heh... Yanni just doesn't get the respect he deserves. I've seen too many people blindly lump him into the "cheese" category, and then when I'd play some Yanni without saying what it is, invariably the response I get is "Hey, what's this ? This is really cool." And to me, "Dare To Dream" is to Yanni as "Images & Words" is to Dream Theater. But that's just me.
What amuses me here is that this Yanni thread seems to resurface on the Ytsejam just about every 9 months or so. How many times have Phil, Chuck "Korgx3" and myself commented on Yanni ? :)
And you Yanni fans (or closet-Yanni fans) who might have tendencies towards techno (or are even techno-curious) should check out Robert Miles "23am". It's like a blend of Yanni meets Enigma meets Future Sound of London. Possibly the best album I've picked up in 1998... aside from the new Symphony X, of course. :)
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:09:41 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: he's alive (AND SOON YOU WILL DIE) Message-ID: <199806022009.NAA25729@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., "woot" said: > >Anyone else play Starcraft on here? I challenge anyone to a duel! I was up >to 1120 (in 23 games) before the reset. :P I know Mosh and Eckie play but I >haven't found them online yet. Anyone else? >
We dont't PLAY Starcraft... we are the Dark Templar... this war is reality for us... come and die... mortal fool.
bwahahha
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Those Chris and Kev sluts Message-ID: <199806022100.RAA04468@camel14.mindspring.com>
Damon Fibraio very correctly said.... >Well, that isn't fair. How am i supposed to go get a magazine that I can't >read, simply to get a little cd with two bonus tracks. No fiar, MP. No >fair at all.
Yup!! I don't really plan on buying the mag either, so if anybody has it, please post it so we can see what it says. Come on guys, this is not like a URL that you can point to. I've never seen such mag, it's hard enough to find Guitar Shop here in North Tampa.
Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ If you /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ love /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / enough / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / you lie / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / a lot. \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / (Tori Amos) \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT picture Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980602171042.18099A-100000@voyager.cris.com>
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Richard Karsmakers wrote:
> For those of you who have DT web sites that need DT pictures, check out > the picture at www.scriba.org/stnews/pix/dt.jpg. You can add a link to > it, or take the picture itself, if you want to.
Uh... you mean http://www.scriba.org/stnews/pix/dreamt.jpg perhaps ? I don't see "dt.jpg" on there.
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:53:30 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 2 cents on Classical music... Message-ID: <000a01bd8e79$433e8640$d58915cf@markphil>
Malher - ANYTHING
This guys is amazing... you can't go wrong... I recomend his 1st, 2nd, and 10th symphonies to start with
Rachmoninov
Great piano stuff, (if your into that)... you can also find some really cool orchestras that do excellent accompanyment.
Bach & Beetoveen
Nothing need to be said
Stravinsky
Some REALLY long symphonies (and you thought ACOS was long...) But really interesting if you have the patience to sit through them and appreciate them.
BTW.. I'm not sure I'm spelling these composers right because I don't have the CD's infront of me... but oh well... We're all intelligent... =)
Mark
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:08:07 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Steve Hogarth, New MFP list Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF0018BA3@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
> Alex Smith wrote : > >> Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? >> I love Fish Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks.
Well, after seeing the Post-Fish Marillion fans come out of the woodwork en masse and praise this guy, I almost barfed. Hey, I know, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, blah, blah, blah .....BUT ALEX, there are two sides to every coin. And this is the other side. It needs to be heard. Trust me, not them.
Hogarth has a thin and whiny voice that many people find irritating (read: me !!). And, he has the stage presence of a houseplant. Gone are the more progressive and complex songs with different dynamics and textures like The Web, Incubus, Fugazi and Script. They're (hehehe #1) music - post-Fish - has mellowed quite a bit. And while mellow is fine, to add insult to injury, there (hehehe #2) songwriting has gotten so simple and straight forward to the point that it's a disgusting waste of whatever talent their (hehehe #3) once was.
Signed, Name Withheld for fear that Mark Bredius will meet me at the flower stand and then kick my ass.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:33:02 -0700 From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Discog, anyone object? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980602193302.0079e450@trek.alliance.net>
Since I've found out that Mike Backof is no longer on the list and has not updated the Discog since 11/13/96 (no FII, no promos or singles for the album in there either), I was thinking of picking up the Discog and maintaining it myself.
I wanted to ask before doing so if anyone here objects. I want to see this updated, so it's current and relevant. I think I can do the job (read: I have far too much time on my hands to nitpick over this sort of thing) well, and keep up on new releases. If something were to come up where I could no longer maintain it, I'd make sure to hand it down to someone capable of the job, and not just leave it in the dust.
Geez, I feel like I just wrote a resume.
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net http://x2.alliance.net/tempus
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:01:42 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980602170141.0073f288@lainet.com>
At 04:21 PM 6/2/98 -0700, mmetzger@comversens.com wrote:
> Alex Smith wrote : > >> Also, is latter day Marillion (i.e. sans Fish) any good? >> I love Fish Marillion but I've heard Steve Hogarth sucks.
>Well, after seeing the Post-Fish Marillion fans come out of the woodwork en >masse and praise this guy, I almost barfed. Hey, I know, everyone's >entitled to their own opinion, blah, blah, blah .....BUT ALEX, there are two >sides to every coin. And this is the other side. It needs to be heard. >Trust me, not them.
I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So here's some more of mine...
>Hogarth has a thin and whiny voice that many people find irritating (read: >me !!).
Agreeing that all of this is opinion, I'd still have to say that you'd push this 'whiny voice' onto the likes of some of the worlds greatest singers. The vocals of H come from his lungs. Whining is when you sing through your nose and have no diaphragm support to make a decent sound (ala, Steve Perry who had an incredible voice, but was a nasaly whiny singer none-the-less). Other lung singers include Ray Alder, Geoff Tate, and James LaBrie. So if you wanna call that being whiny, okay. Just be sure you know who you're classifying there.
>And, he has the stage presence of a houseplant.
Just because you don't have a frontman in a jester outfit, war paint, or a bear outfit (see the CAS videos) does not mean you have a horrible frontman. I've seen Marillion live. In fact, aside from one other concert (Queensryche's Promised Land Tour) I have never seen a better show. H comes flying into the crowd half-way through the set to be part of the crowd and enjoy the show. You never saw Fish do that, did you? H did more than any other frontman I've ever seen to get me into the show.
>Gone are the more >progressive and complex songs with different dynamics and textures like The >Web, Incubus, Fugazi and Script. They're (hehehe #1) music - post-Fish - >has mellowed quite a bit. And while mellow is fine, to add insult to >injury, there (hehehe #2) songwriting has gotten so simple and straight >forward to the point that it's a disgusting waste of whatever talent their >(hehehe #3) once was.
So let's get this straight. One member leaves the band, and the entire band suddenly sucks and are no talented musicians? Maybe you should bear in mind that the reason Fish left was because of disagreements with the band about the direction the music was heading. If you list to Clutching at Straws you can hear the direction the band wanted to move. They were becoming less "flashy" as musicians and settling into the music they loved more. There is nothing wrong with taking away the complex and playing the style you love. It seems you're criticizing H for that. It is not H's fault that Steve, Mark, Pete, and Ian have decided their music heads a different direction. It's a collective. It's part of being a band.
As for whether that's disgusting to you or not, (hehehe #1) listen to something that doesn't make you puke and (hehehe #2) don't blame people for things that are not their fault.
One other thing you may wish to keep in the back of your mind is the fact that H has never had anything bad to say about Fish at all. However, I've read interviews with Fish where he does nothing but slam H and the rest of the band for their "cowardice" and "lack of vision." I love Fish as a lyricist and contributing what he did to the band, but as a man, he'll never get my respect.
>Signed, >Name Withheld for fear that Mark Bredius will meet me at the flower stand >and then kick my ass.
(hehehe #3) Mark ain't the only one ;)
-sp00L
they say the king is watching his back again they say the king is losing his grip again raging like a bull to an empty ring do you think they will forgive a hero anything?
-gazpacho, marillion
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Berlioz's substance abuse... Message-ID: <199806030016.UAA07012@umbc9.umbc.edu>
First of all, I can't belive that I forgot stravinsky's "Le Sacre du Printemps." Also check out "Petroushka" by the same composer.
How about Bela Bartok's "Music for String Instruments, Percussion, and Celesta."
> >From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> > >Subject: Berlioz and opium > > > >Berlioz did NOT write his Symphonie Fantastique on opium. He wrote the > >fourth movement imagining that the hero of his symphony poisened himself on > >opium. The fourth movement are the horrible nightmares of the symphonies' > >hero. And incidentally, Berlioz did consider the hero of the Symphonie > >Fantastique to be himself, but Berlioz did not write the symphony under the > >influence of opium. > > I'm pretty rabidly anti-drug, so this isn't any endorsement of opium, but > my understanding of the piece is that Berlioz did, in fact, conjure up the > notion of the Symphony Fantastique as a result of an opium dream. It's a > great piece of music, but it's pretty gruesome....I mean, Henriette's > beheaded in the piece. I guess that should appeal to Slayer fans, eh?
Yeah, I was also under the impression that Berlioz indeed WAS under the influence of opium to compose that part of the piece. He supposedly did it to get in the headspace of "the main character." Keep in mind that Henriette did marry Berlioz only after he threatened to drink hemlock if she didn't.
i'm also anti-drug. I was pissed when Chris deGarmo said that in order to get in the right headspace to write "Out of Mind" that he smoked a lot of pot. what kind of a composer are you when you need to rely on a mind altering substance to compose? I believe that compositional mettle should be proved by a composition composed in an unaltered mental state.
to all those who disagree, I say, "pooh."
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:06:23 -0500 From: Jan-Michael Souter <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yanni Tribute... Message-ID: <m0yh2ri-000O0AE@mail.airmail.net>
-- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>>> I really think Yanni's "Tribute" album has something for every jammer. Seeing it performed live is like living a dream. I don't even think Dream Theater live could be as passionate, forceful, and perfect. For anyone who has an ear for compositional music and a love for musical masterbation should pick up "Tribute." >>>
Hmmm I just heard about Yanni speaking out against this Tribute CD effort. Apparently he's mildly upset about this release and thinks it is a "slap-in- the-face". Sources say he believes this is a farce because, "...tribute albums should only be for those groups who are either no longer active or deceased..."
Bloody hell! What is this world coming to??
<grin>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:08:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fantastique Message-ID: <199806030208.VAA07735@enteract.com>
> I'm pretty rabidly anti-drug, so this isn't any endorsement of opium, but > my understanding of the piece is that Berlioz did, in fact, conjure up the > notion of the Symphony Fantastique as a result of an opium dream. It's a > great piece of music, but it's pretty gruesome....I mean, Henriette's > beheaded in the piece. I guess that should appeal to Slayer fans, eh?
I also recommend this piece, although I was taught by a music professor that part of the piece was ABOUT a fictional opium dream, and not a product of one. 2 against 2 now. :) Bring it on!
- Chris Freak Out to a Moonage DayDream!
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:17:21 -0500 From: Jan-Michael Souter <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Samuel L. Jackson Message-ID: <m0yh32A-000OqAE@mail.airmail.net>
-- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>>> But seriously, could Samuel Jackson ever get into bands like Ozric Tentacles or Extreme? I don't think so. Let's face it, he wouldn't last a day on Ytsejam. Are we cool here or what, Alan? :)
Bafu >>>
Well, maybe he wouldn't last a day here.... But, he can sure out CUSS any of us with ease. And look so damn cool while doing so!!
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:33:28 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Steve Hogarth vs. Fish Message-ID: <005c01bd8e98$05f8b340$3e0d84d0@korgx3>
>entitled to their own opinion, blah, blah, blah .....BUT ALEX, there are two >sides to every coin. And this is the other side. It needs to be heard. >Trust me, not them.
Hmmm... I atarted listening to Marillion when I picked up Clutching at Straws in the used cassette bin at the local campus CD store a couple of years ago. I devoured it wholesomely on the first listen. I think I'd worn that tape completely out by the time I finally found a CD of theirs here in the states: 6 of 1, 1/2 Dozen of the Other.
I looked at the back and saw old favorites like Warm, Wet Circles and Kayleigh on that back along with a bunch of new songs, I'd never heard before. I hurried home and popped it into the Cd player only to be affronted by Cover My Eyes. I couldn't figure out why Fish sounded so hoarse. Eventually, after going over some of Hogarth's stuff, I was able to connect with his throaty, hollow style, but his droning is somewhat droll most of the time. I doubt that I'll ever really be able to stomach more than half of the material created during the Hogarth era. I can only tolerate about 1/2 of Season's End and 1/3 of Holidays in Eden, while Brave is a work of art. But even then, the follow up, Afraid of Sunlight, to me was a complete disaster. Their only redemption in the whole process was The Strange Engine which I love. It simply just seems to me that Hogarth lacks the passion and emotion that Fish had.
It makes me wonder how much material Fish contributed, because there's nary a song written with him that I fail to enjoy. Granted, I'm not a "Freak" and don't follow the band like a hawk and sift through Mark Kelly's excrement to see what he ate for dinner last night, and I really don't want to go there. I just want to kick back and enjoy the music. The less I know about the band, the better, it keeps me from judging them for what they are, or what they might be. God knows why I hang around here. I guess I just like to antagonize you all rather than learn about the band. =)
I know many of you there will disagree, but I (as always) could give a rat's ass (maybe even two!) about your contradictory opinions. Discussion is good, flames are bad. Someone asked for opinions about Hogarth, this is mine.
An' if you don't like it, you can just sit on it. =P --KorgX3
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:40:23 -0400 From: jkimpton@usaserve.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: instrumental recommendations Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980602234023.007b2dc0@mailhost.vwc.edu>
A few suggestions -- I apologize if any are repeats, I don't read the digests much anymore.
Loreena McKennitt -- *anything* of hers, but Mask & Mirror and The Visit specifically. David Arkenstone -- Return of the Guardians, In the Wake of the Wind, Spirit Wind. Nicholas Gunn -- The Sacred Fire, Afternoon in Sedona
Loreena is the only non-instrumental one there... Nicholas Gunn is a flutist (very southwestern style), and David Arkenstone is sort of a "fantasy" musician; two CDs are musical stories that he co-wrote with fantasy author Mercedes Lackey. Good shit all around.
Just a plug...
Jaime the Dragon
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