YTSEJAM Digest 3955
Today's Topics:
1) classical music and DT...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) Re: Dare To Dream
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
3) LTE in Modern Drummer
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
4) FII in Guitar / Hawkwind / Mahler
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
5) DT tablature
by Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
6) free boot cassettes
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
7) Black Jester
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
8) Re: Black Jester
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
9) Nagging and whining till Judgement Day comes around
by The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
10) Keyboards Thread
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
11) Classic stuff
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
12) The sad thing about that MTV plea post
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
13) Yanni Mp3's done and David Arkenstone
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
14) Guitar Talkin' Boot CD - Any Insights
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
15) Fish & a discreet hint for Mike P
by Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
16) FAQ
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
17) DT is coming!
by Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: classical music and DT...
Message-ID: <199806030405.AAA18606@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Hey everyone need to do some homework:
Find a recording for Franz Shubert's Lullaby <also titled "Wiegenlied," I
think> and tell me what it has to do with Dream Theater.
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:09:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Dare To Dream
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980602230659.573A-100000@drac.host4u.net>
Rick Audet spewed forth:
:"Hey, what's this ? This is really cool." And to me, "Dare To Dream" is
:to Yanni as "Images & Words" is to Dream Theater. But that's just me.
i don't believe it. this is a sure sign that the end of existence is
near... we agree on another CD! :)
i think Dare To Dream is by far his best work. so yeah, anybody that wants
to get into Yanni, definiely pick that one up.
_______________________________________________________________________
Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com
subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:05:51 -0500
From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LTE in Modern Drummer
Message-ID: <003901bd8ea4$e7a3e2e0$a64431cc@imemnok.gnt.net>
http://www.moderndrummer.com/html/body_md_hottrax.html
Follow this link and you can order the special ModernDrummer issue, it
does not appear to be a regular newstand edition and it comes with the CD,
which has more than just LTE outtakes, Bozzio, Colaiuta, and Lombardo are on
it as well as some other guys who probably smoke, but I have never heard of
them.
Also their is a Big Tori interview at Musician Magazine's web
site....thought some of the Tori fans on here might be interested. And that
can be found here http://www.musicianmag.com/art/amos/ .
And to any foolish mortals willing to brave the harsh world of
Starcraft, you had better bring your Visa cause Dark Templars don't take
American Express.
Matt Halloran
imemnok@gnt.net
The Next Shannon Hoon (if you would kindly pass me that needle)
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 00:59:00 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII in Guitar / Hawkwind / Mahler
Message-ID: <3574D814.116AC8CE@home.com>
Did anybody see the little blurb on FII in the June Guitar magazine?
Towards the front of the mag. (page 15 or something, I think), there's a
page
on Progressive Rock. They have mini reviews of FII, Marillion "This
Strange Engine" and a few others. It was a pretty favorable review, and
concluded with something to the
effect of "DT is at the head of the class of progressive rock" or
something like that.
Also in the progressive review, they mentioned some other prog. bands
(Rush, etc.). They also mentioned Hawkwind (They're actually more
spacerock than progressive, IMO). Have any jammers ever listened to
them?
I have one CD, "Chronicle of the Black Sword", which is OKAY (nothing
spectacular). I actually picked it up because it's a concept album
based on Michael Moorcock's Elric books (if anybody's into relatively
deep fantasy/sci-fi.... check out Moorcock).
On the classical note, I went out and bought Mahler's 5th today (by the
New York philharmonic w/ Leonard Bernstein). I've listened to a little
of it: So far,
so good! Thanks for another quality CD suggestion YTSEJAMMERS!
- Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:15:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Charlie Patel <patelc@ro.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tablature
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980601175402.9393A-100000@sh1.ro.com>
Besides "Under a Cyber Moon", where can I get a complete edition of DT
tab? Is there a place I can download a zip file of all DT tab. I'm a huge
fan of Under A Cyber Moon, but it's missing a substantial amount of tab.
Please respond to patelc@ro.com as I am not a subscriber of YTSEJAM.
Thanks,
Charlie Patel
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Research Assistant
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Alabama in Huntsville
E-mail: patelc@ro.com
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:24:31 -0400
From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: free boot cassettes
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980603012428.007f4370@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Free cassettes to first 6 respondants:
Summerfest Milwaukee 6/29/93
Precious Things (beta)
Instrumental II
Sundance Instrumental Show
Denver Awake
Uncovered 1/31/95
Takers provide envelopes and postage for shipping. Email me at kai@fore.com,
and I'll let you know if you're a winner and which CD you get (given at
random). Winners announced later this week.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:41:00 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Black Jester
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980603013934.543223594A-100000@drew.edu>
I was just checking the web site of The Laser's Edge for the first time
and noticed that the band Black Jester has a new album out called "the
divine opera." I have the two other studio albums by this band and was
wondering if anyone bought the latest album. How is it?
Thanks,
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:56:14 +0200
From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Black Jester
Message-ID: <3574E57E.1F129821@hm.telia.no>
Hello !
belhai wrote:
>=20
> I was just checking the web site of The Laser's Edge for the first time
> and noticed that the band Black Jester has a new album out called "the
> divine opera." I have the two other studio albums by this band and was
> wondering if anyone bought the latest album. How is it?
I think it`s their best yet. The only weak thing is the vocals as
usual, but the music is excellent. The disc has only three songs, but
clocks in at over 70 minutes if i remember correctly.If you like the
first two cd`s you should definitely get this one. Great cd !
Bye,
Bj=F8rnar,
Norway !
=20
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:50 +0100
From: The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nagging and whining till Judgement Day comes around
Message-ID: <98Jun3.083307gmt+0100.31363@gate.tranemo.se>
After a good night's sleep, I have indirectly myself ruined my morning.
Read this and understand why.
I happened to comment the previous thread like this:
"Orchestral classics... Eh, quite far away from DTC, isn't it? Although =
I=20
do like Bach & Vivaldi (even some of "Ludwig van"'s works), I think this =
discussion belongs somewhere else... don't you?
Oh well, In other words: I don't give a f--k!"
Phil Carter told me this:
> Then page down. Doesn't take any effort at all. Trying to stop a
> discussion that's already in full swing here is like trying to hold =
back a
> St. Bernard who's decided he wants to chase a cat. It's useless and =
only
> pisses off the St. Bernard. :)
Yeah yeah, I'll page down all right (that's what I do with 80% of the =
list posts) - but still it's not one ppm DT. IMHO, it's not even "prog" =
(in the modern day meaning of it), the type of contents this list's =
messages is supposed to have... am I right?
Phil Sullivan sighed and replied:
> Do you have any idea how irritating it gets that whenever *any* thread
> "takes over" the jam like this, even if it's on topic, some shmuck has
> to bitch that it doesn't belong here because HE'S not interested in =
it?
I didn't want to say that it didn't belong here just because I was not =
interested. Separate those two and you'll have my correct meaning: I'm =
not interested AND it doesn't really belong here. (Skadz? Does it?)
Shouldn't we start a thread regarding someone's favourite Stratocaster =
colour? IMO it's far more related to Dream Theater than the things I =
happened to complain on. (OK, I know JP plays Ibanez)
> Guess what? I'm not particularly interested in it either, because I
> mostly stopped listening to classical music when I stopped being a
> performing musician. BUT, I think it is a very valid thread, if for =
not
> other reason than DT has a lot more in common with some of these
> classical composers than they do with so-called "radio music". I've
> always had the opinion that DT are more composers of music than =
writers,
> simply because the complexity of much of their music requires more
> thought and work.
Well, that's my opinion as well - although I can't find the comparison =
you make relevant. Nubian folk-tunes have more complexity & integrity =
than lots of dull classical works - and that's not a thread here, is it?
> So, I'm sure we're all very, very sorry that you don't like the topic.
> Get a helmet. Use the Page Down key. And the next time you have the =
urge
> to send an asinine post to the jam, please don't.
Oh, man, geez, I'm so very fuckin' sorry about it.=20
And you know, I did post this.
Still friendly although in a very bad mood,
--------------------------------
//tHe WoRkInG mAn
aka Per Pettersson aka The Complaining Man aka Cares Too Much
Favourite song: "Paradigm Shift" - Liquid Tension Experiment
Favourite album: "Misplaced Childhood" - Marillion
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| It seems to me |
| I could live my life |
| A lot better than I think I am. |
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:37:43 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keyboards Thread
Message-ID: <199806030639.XAA25103@cats.ucsc.edu>
I've played on an Alesis, and it has some nice sounds, but if you want to
lean in the KevMo or DerShe camp, there are basically 2 brands to consider.
Roland and Korg. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that only
Roland and Korg offer a "joystick" style pitch bend & mod, or it may be
other facors, but that's why those two win my support.
Other board I;ve noticed: A lot of folks seem to like Ensoniq. I'd never
play one as a controller cause it has these big ungainly PB & Mod wheels
instead of a stick, but both Fates shows had ensoniq boards (prolly Jim's
that he makes the keyboardist use) and the guy from Enchant uses an Ensoniq.
I'm a Roland and Korg guy, and here's my recommendations for boards:
All in one workstation board: If you want just one keyboard to do it all,
I'd say go for a Korg Trinity. I'm not familiar with the current crop of
Roland's workstation boards, but the Trinity has great sounds, if you go
for the 76 key version you get the Prophecy solo synth built-in, and you
get a ribbon controller, which is a nice bonus.
Master controller: If you don't need biult-in sounds, here I favor either
the ROland A-70 (76 keys, non-weighted) or the A-90 (88 key, piano
weighted, can add in a piano sound board to it) -- really nice master
controllers with 4 (I think) MIDI outs, both a joystick _AND_ old-style
wheels for PB & Mod, plus assignable sliders, and a good keyboard feel.
SOund Modules: Here's really up in the air. Want Trinity sounds?
TR-Rack. Want Roland sounds? JV-1080 or 2080. Want Alesis Sounds? Go
with one of those. Basically find one with sounds you like and get it.
Specialty keyboards: There's lots here, like the Korg Z-1, Prophecy
(physical modelling keyboards) Roland JP-8000 (like an old analog keyboard
with knobs & such for editing the sound as you play) Roland VK-7 (best darn
Hammond organ emulation this side of a Hammond Organ -- just ask Keyboard
Magazine) and various others. I think Yamaha has a new line of boards out.
Seen em (blue!) but not played on one yet. Don't get these unless they
have just happen to have that elusive sound you can find nowhere else.
And, you'll most likely still needa another board as your main one.
Samplers: Don't own one (yet) but I'd say go with E-Mu. They were one of
the ones who started the whole sampling thing, and it's still their primary
market.
Amps: I recently got the Roland KB-500 150 watt amp. I chose it over
other considerations (such as a similar Peavey) because it can mix up to 4
stereo channels (i.e. total 8 channels) -- most of the others are 3 or 4
mono channels. and has handy wheels on the bottom. :)
Hope that's enough for prospective keyboard buyers. I don't have tons of
specific boards or recommendations, but it really depends on your needs.
Ask yourself:
1) Do I want an all-in one board or a controller plus sound modules. The
latter is more versatile, but the former is cheaper in the short run.
2) How many keys? 61? 76? 88? Weighted or not? (actually, it's pretty
much 88 =3D=3D weighted, less =3D=3D non-weighted)
3) Do I have any special needs? (really want analog style sounds, really
want the best hammond organ sound, really want physical modeling)
There ya go. I shut up now about this until the next time. :)
~Chris
__../\..__ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu
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.\_||_/.. | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my |
/__||__\. | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears"=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 |
//.\ |..\\ ----+
...\|.... http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/=20
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:20:02 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Classic stuff
Message-ID: <01BD8ED0.CACB1310@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I'm afraid I can't keep quiet on this one. Try almost anything by Wagner,
especially the Ring cycle. This guy was writing metal 100 years ago. OK,
the early stuff isn't too hot, but anything after Der Fliegende Hollaender is
simply brilliant. The Ring cycle is also a must for all "long song' fetishists
here - it's so long that it is usually split up over four evenings. I fulfilled a
dream a couple of years ago when I went to the Wagner festival in
Bayreuth and saw the whole thing - talk about a stiffy-inducing experience
(bloody hard seats, though).
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Rage - XIII
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:46:14 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The sad thing about that MTV plea post
Message-ID: <199806030803.BAA17734@ktk6.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 06/02/98 04:15am -0700
Mike and anyone else who cares :)
That may as well be applied to guitar magazines as well.
They're just as bad as MTV and getting worse.
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild/ICQ-#1062196
----------------------------------------------
If I say "Surely the darkness will overwhelm me
And the light around me will be night"
Even the darkness is not dark to Thee,
And the night is as bright as the day,
Darkness and Light are the same to Thee
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/megadeth/ - Megadeth F.A.Q.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:14:45 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yanni Mp3's done and David Arkenstone
Message-ID: <002001bd8ec7$c558a900$3e0d84d0@korgx3>
>Loreena is the only non-instrumental one there... Nicholas Gunn is a
>flutist (very southwestern style), and David Arkenstone is sort of a
>"fantasy" musician; two CDs are musical stories that he co-wrote with
>fantasy author Mercedes Lackey. Good shit all around.
I'll second that. David Arkenstone is the next step, or maybe even a step
ahead of Yanni. His music seems to migrate from style to style as his
albums progress. In the Wake of the Wind is a rather typical fantasical new
age album, Quest of the Dream Warrior (my fave) has the same with a Middle
Eastern blend. Return of the Guardians has a bit more of Tribal feel to it,
but all three retain the same fantasy feel to them. Spirit Wind has more of
an American Indian vibe that melds well with his style, and his latest, The
Celtic Book of Days is rather self-explanatory. The Celtic stuff rokz nadz.
As far as his earlier stuff, I haven't listened to much of except for a Best
of album named Chronicles which I think is pretty damn good. He's got about
12 albums or so, so you have plenty of exploring by to do by wading through
his material. He has a newer compilation album out calles Celestial
something or other that might be a good starter into his music. I love it.
OK, the Yanni MP3's are done. I made two. The first is the song,
"Tribute", after all of the compositional/classical discussion, seemed to
most closely fit into that area. It's not really showy but is a great
orchestral demonstration. The second is Keys to Imagination from Live at
the Acropolis. It's a long standing Yanni favorite and basically shows off
Yanni's most contemporary songwriting skills. I'd even go as far to say
this could appease alot of you "prog or die" guys. Well, maybe. =)
http://www.safelink.net/washburn
Just follow the link...
--KorgX3
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:31:21 +0100
From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Guitar Talkin' Boot CD - Any Insights
Message-ID: <80256618.002E8A0F.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
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I recently got this CD from a record fair for
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=A310ukp. There are loads of
really cool versions of DT songs on it (87 mins) but there's very littl=
e
background about their recording.
I've not heard this boot mentioned on the jam, it's full colour jewel c=
ase
etc.
Any info ??
Cheers
Steve
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:37:23 +0200
From: Michael Karlsson <o-karmic@jmk.su.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fish & a discreet hint for Mike P
Message-ID: <v03020900b19ab94729cf@[130.237.155.24]>
John E Martin wrote:
H comes
>flying into the crowd half-way through the set to be part of the crowd and
>enjoy the show. You never saw Fish do that, did you? H did more than any
>other frontman I've ever seen to get me into the show.
Actually, I have seen Fish do that. On his solotour for Sunsets on Empire
last year, he jumped out in the crowd during Internal Exile and danced some
Scottish (I think) dance with members of the audience.
Fish also took pictures on stage with a fan's camera and gave it back, he
had "real" discussions with the crowd between songs, and all that. I have
to say that Fish did more than any frontman I have seen to get me into the
show. The gig was just amazing, in my top 5 of all time.
I have not seen H live, so he might be very good. Just don't insinuate
that Fish doesn't do everything he can to get the crowd going, because
that's just not true.
Official DT content: OFB's show with Fates in Helsinki 1995 is also in my
top 5 of live shows. :) And the show in March this year was not far behind.
In a couple of weeks time I'm going to see DT again on a festival. Now, if
they'd only play Trial of Tears (which was left out in March), I'd be very,
very happy...(hint, hint, Mike!)
Michael Karlsson
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:39:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FAQ
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.45-0603083940-d07rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Unless I missed any major announcements over the weekend (in which case I
profoundly apologise), it's now over seven months since we had a FAQ update.
With respect, Pat, perhaps you should graciously concede defeat and pass it
over to someone who has a bit more spare time? Lack of time was, after all,
the whole reason for D-Man giving it up in the first place.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:58:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT is coming! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980603135103.9435A-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
hi jammers,i'm new on the list so hiya all!
Talking about classical composers i didnt see Schubert's name anywhere..check out his No. 8 and 9 Symphonies (named "great" and "unfinished") they are awesome pieces,the unfinished is DARK indeed.. I didnt see Mendelsson's name either..nor Edvard Grieg tsktsk :)
yay! i am drooling coz DT will play here in athens for the very first time..i'll make sure we'll keep em here hehe..review of the gig is bound to come,if we survive that is *waiting for june 15*
asmodel
--------------------------------- | Eala Earendel engla beorhtast | | ofer middangeard monnum sended. | ---------------------------------
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