YTSEJAM Digest 3956
Today's Topics:
1) Please Help a Fellow JAMMER !!!
by "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
2) Space in your face!
by Scott Fuller <spacedye@acay.com.au>
3) Boot cassettes?
by Erik Einmo <Erik.Einmo@ij.no>
4) Page And Plant - BJCC, Birmingham Al.
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
5) Yanni, Nicholas Gunn
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
6) Re: Keyboards Thread
by Theiban@aol.com
7) A pile o' replies
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3941
by policast@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it (Policastro Cosimo)
9) question NDTC
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
10) re: Classical music on the Ytsejam list
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
11) HELP!!-DT in Budapest?
by Jeremy Garman <jgarman@usa.net>
12) More classical rantings, and DT in August...
by Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
13) Re: More classical rantings, and DT in August...
by Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org>
14) Out of Mind
by K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
15) Re: Moonlight Sonata
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
16) Nicky Lemons MP3!
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
17) re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:53:03 +0200
From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Please Help a Fellow JAMMER !!!
Message-ID: <01bd8edd$c87a0b40$e41f46c1@mau.omnia.it>
Hello Fellow Jammers !
SOS ! Please Help ME !
I accidentally deleted a folder from my Outlook Express, where I gathered
all my YTSEJAM digests... :(
I succeeded in recovering the file .mbx and .idx, using the undelete command
under MS-DOS.
I renamed the files with the original long filenames (cartella1.mbx and
cartella1.idx - I use the Italian version of Windows 95 and Outlook
Express),
but I don't succeed to make Outlook Express recognize them...
What can I do ???
Trusting in a prompt help from you, I THANK YOU in advance.
[Mav]
rd@tau.it
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:05:39 +1000
From: Scott Fuller <spacedye@acay.com.au>
To: Ytsejam Digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Space in your face!
Message-ID: <35754A23.5FD2F197@acay.com.au>
How many of you out there have had a good listen to the Space in your
face album by the Galactic Cowboys....
Thought's anyone???
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:08:07 +0200
From: Erik Einmo <Erik.Einmo@ij.no>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Boot cassettes?
Message-ID: <0143EC51B7D2D0119EAF0020AF6C85F20DD1FD@mail.ij.no>
Possible trade partners wanted.
Also, someone who could ship me the LTE cd...
Ah by the way.. FII, was not cool
Mail incanus@pagans.org
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:29:12 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Page And Plant - BJCC, Birmingham Al.
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F1F@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
Well it was kinda strange - all those years of saying, "I wish
we'd seen Led Zep", and there we are, having only been in the States for
4 weeks, driving to a Page + Plant gig. And Christ on a bike - what a
gig. Yeah, they're getting old and those scratchy Page solo's are never
gonna worry JP, but it's Page and Plant - complete legends! They did a
great mix of classic Zep numbers with a few tracks off the new album
thrown in (which were actually pretty good). High points - Going To
California, Thankyou, Page's violin-bow-solo and the crazy middle
section of Whole Lotta Love (complete with phsycodelic effects on the
video screens and that strange thing with the radio ariel that makes
electronic noises when Jimmy puts his hands near it - someone can tell
me the real name I'm sure).
If you get a chance - definitely go and see these guys - they
still have it after all these years. They were supported by the Lili
Haydn band (I think that's right), she plays a pretty mean violin and
they have a good mix of hard rock, eastern and classical influences.
Does anyone have her CD - and if so - what's it like.
Still buzzing,
Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Yanni, Nicholas Gunn
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980603095906.26626C-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Rick A., backing me up, remarked:
> What amuses me here is that this Yanni thread seems to resurface on the
> Ytsejam just about every 9 months or so. How many times have Phil, Chuck
> "Korgx3" and myself commented on Yanni ? :)
Heh. Tons of times. And we'll keep doing it until you people LISTEN to us!
DON'T SCREW AROUND WITH THE YANNI-LOVERS OR WE'LL FLATTEN YOU LIKE A
FUCKING PANCAKE, BOYEEEEEE!!!!
*ahem*
Jaime the Dragon (ye gods, she's alive!) wrote:
> Loreena McKennitt -- *anything* of hers, but Mask & Mirror and The Visit
> specifically.
> David Arkenstone -- Return of the Guardians, In the Wake of the Wind,
> Spirit Wind.
> Nicholas Gunn -- The Sacred Fire, Afternoon in Sedona
Bloody. I thought I was the only one here who listened to Nicholas Gunn. I
would *highly, highly* recommend Gunn's "The Sacred Fire", "Afternoon in
Sedona", and "Crossroads" to anybody who wants to hear some amazing music.
Gunn's flute is haunting, the percussion has a very Southwestern desert
feel to it, and in general the music just kicks ass. Gunn also wrote the
music for one of the National Park series' albums, "Music of the Grand
Canyon"; it's worth picking up too.
Ta,
Phil
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"I never should have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Dream Theater -- "Falling into Infinity"
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:25 EDT
From: Theiban@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Keyboards Thread
Message-ID: <bca5fedd.35755e3e@aol.com>
I use 2 keyboards myself. i have an Alesis QS7, that i use for drums sounds,
piano, and acoustic instruments. and i use a Korg N364 for Synth, Lead,
Strings, and Hammond sounds. my Korg is my favorite, the lead and synth sounds
are awesome, and the alesis can't even touch it when it comes to any good
synth programs. but the Korg can not get even close to the drum sounds on my
alesis, especially the open hi-hat. it sounds real on the alesis, it sounds
like midi drums on the korg. also the alesis is 76 key and weighted, so it's
great for playing piano, because i like to use the whole keyboard when i play
piano. the korg is 61 key, and not weighted, but it's better for playing leads
on a non weighted keyboard IMO.
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A pile o' replies
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980603101002.26626D-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
and from Matt H. we get this:
> The Next Shannon Hoon (if you would kindly pass me that needle)
Hahahahahahahaha! I must be an insensitive bastard or something to find
this so funny.
Joe D. remarked:
> Also in the progressive review, they mentioned some other prog. bands
> (Rush, etc.). They also mentioned Hawkwind (They're actually more
> spacerock than progressive, IMO). Have any jammers ever listened to
> them?
Isn't Hawkwind that band that has six million CDs out there? Paul Cashman,
you're the space-rock expert, or at least the Ozrics expert. You know
anything about Hawkwind?
After reading my suggestions that he page down if he doesn't want to read
a discussion, Per P. remarked:
> Yeah yeah, I'll page down all right (that's what I do with 80% of the =
> list posts) - but still it's not one ppm DT. IMHO, it's not even "prog" =
> (in the modern day meaning of it), the type of contents this list's =
> messages is supposed to have... am I right?
Technically, yes, but I hardly think Skadz is going to step into a
discussion that actually involves music and has some real intrinsic value
(like the classical thread, which actually seems to be dying down now).
Considering all the off-topic stuff which we see here that causes flame
wars, I think the classical thread's well worth reading.
Per also wrote:
> Phil Sullivan sighed and replied:
You might want to check your attributions more carefully, Per. It was
*Pat* Sullivan. Not the best way to get him to listen to your points.
KorgX3 jumped into the "new age" discussion with:
> I'll second that. David Arkenstone is the next step, or maybe even a step
> ahead of Yanni. His music seems to migrate from style to style as his
> albums progress. In the Wake of the Wind is a rather typical fantasical new
> age album, Quest of the Dream Warrior (my fave) has the same with a Middle
> Eastern blend. Return of the Guardians has a bit more of Tribal feel to it,
> but all three retain the same fantasy feel to them. Spirit Wind has more of
> an American Indian vibe that melds well with his style, and his latest, The
> Celtic Book of Days is rather self-explanatory. The Celtic stuff rokz nadz.
Now you know I can't keep my mouth shut about David Arkenstone. Arkenstone
is THE premier cinematic new age rock musician around, and one of the
three single musicians (besides Yanni and Joe Satriani) that I can rave
about nonstop. I'll spare you the nonstop raving, though, and just say
that I agree with Chuck here (except that "In the Wake of the Wind" is my
favorite). Arkenstone is incredibly talented (last I checked, he played
over two dozen instruments) and comes up with some incredible
compositions.
> He has a newer compilation album out calles Celestial
> something or other that might be a good starter into his music. I love it.
The new compilation disc is called "Eternal Champion" (a nod toward the
central figure of all fantasy works) and it's got stuff from all his
albums, near as I can tell (I haven't picked it up yet since I already own
all the others).
Good places to start: I'd say any of the Fantasy Trilogy (that's what I
call them) would be good:
"In the Wake of the Wind"
"Quest of the Dream Warrior"
"Return of the Guardians"
The latter two have stories written in tandem with fantasy writer Mercedes
Lackey, as Jaime the Dragon pointed out. All three are excellent and come
with full stories and beautiful fold-out, illustrated maps painted by Kenn
Backhaus. Some people find it over-the-top, I just think it's cool.
New 'jammer Asmodel (welcome!) remarked:
> I didnt see Mendelsson's name either..nor Edvard Grieg tsktsk :)
I listed Grieg's "Peer Gynt Suites" awhile back. You must not have been
here yet. The version with Jarvi and the Gothemburg Symphony Orchestra is
excellent.
Okay, enough raving for a while...
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal)
Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787
"I never should have written all those tank programs."
-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
Currently playing: Peter Gabriel -- "So"
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:30:58 +0200
From: policast@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it (Policastro Cosimo)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3941
Message-ID: <9806031430.AA24908@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it>
Ciao Mary,
Ci vediamo domani good night....
Bye MINO
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:51:45 -0400
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: question NDTC
Message-ID: <35756301.8F61638@bdm.com>
Anyone out there know anything about converting a European PAL signal to
a NTSC signal? If so let me know via private email.
NP:Helix-Best of
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:10:19 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se, "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Classical music on the Ytsejam list
Message-ID: <3575675B.49326004@ici.net>
The Working Man posted:
> I didn't want to say that it didn't belong here just because I was not
> interested. Separate those two and you'll have my correct meaning: I'm
> not interested AND it doesn't really belong here. (Skadz? Does it?)
> Shouldn't we start a thread regarding someone's favourite Stratocaster
> colour?
That's not really a fair comparison because the color of your guitar has
nothing to do with the music you produce. On the other hand, I can see
some influence of classical music in just about every "progressive" band
that I own a CD by. With bands like Symphony X and Savatage, it's very
up front; with DT, I think it's a little more subdued, but it is still
there. And the last time I checked, the band's influences were very much
ON topic. Maybe we should find out what classical composers DT likes
and only discuss them?
> Well, that's my opinion as well - although I can't find the comparison
> you make relevant. Nubian folk-tunes have more complexity & integrity
> than lots of dull classical works - and that's not a thread here, is it?
I don't think the people that are interested in the discussion are
talking about what they consider "dull classical works". I would guess
that they find some of it complex, intricate and emotionally involving -
just like DT's music.
I don't know about Nubian folk, but what about Celtic music? I'm willing
to bet you'd say that was off-topic too, but there *is* at least one
band out there that plays progressive Celtic music. So, would they be
on-topic or off?
The main thing here is that there is a bunch of people on the list
having an informed, intelligent and rational discussion about music.
What is so wrong with that?
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:09:39 +0800
From: Jeremy Garman <jgarman@usa.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: HELP!!-DT in Budapest?
Message-ID: <01IXSQ5CAHZM003QXV@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
Hi jammers,
Just trying to help out a fellow DT fan and friend here; maybe some European jammers can help him out on whether this show is
on as planned. He isn't on the jam so just email me if you have any info to pass on. Thanks all ahead of time...
>From: "Ivan Brzovski" <ivanb@mol.com.mk>
>To: <jgarman@usa.net>
>Subject: From Dushko - HELP!!! Tour dates?
>Hi all!
>I'm a DT fan from Macedonia (somewhere in Balkan area) :-). I need a quick
>info if somebody knows some SURE infos about European tour. I heard rumours
>which doesn't match with Mike's mail on Internet concerning the issue. So:
>
> Is it correct that DT plays in BUDAPEST ON 16 JUNE, in Petofi Hall?
>
>Thanks all for the help. See ya!
>
>Dushko
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:17:11 -0500
From: Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
To: Liquid Ytse Experiment <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More classical rantings, and DT in August...
Message-ID: <86256618.00534F0F.00@astplh99.stpaul.com>
In the classical thread, I would have to recommend Camille Saint-Saens
(sorry Francophone 'jammers, my computer isn't down with accent marks).
Listen to Danse Bacchanale, you can almost 'bang to the end with the
timpanis going full bore. Just a thought...
As for the DT content, does anyone know the date for the show here in
the Twin Cities area? (No, I can't surf the 'net, so don't give me some
page to look at...) Also, is there going to be a ytse-gathering for the
show? It'd be cool to hook up and caravan to the Grand Casino. Well, that's
it for today. Back to work for me...
Josh
-- In the discman: Tori's "Little Earthquakes" --
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:38:09 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <id@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: More classical rantings, and DT in August...
Message-ID: <01IXSP0DTXXI90MTYW@carleton.edu>
> As for the DT content, does anyone know the date for the show here in
> the Twin Cities area? (No, I can't surf the 'net, so don't give me some
> page to look at...) Also, is there going to be a ytse-gathering for the
> show? It'd be cool to hook up and caravan to the Grand Casino. Well, that's
> it for today. Back to work for me...
Sunday, August 23rd is the date of the DT/DP/ELP show up in Hinckley
(not quite the TC area, heh heh...). I imagine I'll have a six or
seven person caravan of my own going up there. As for an area
gathering... let's have Coleridge organize it! :)
okbye,
id
p.s. cole - i'm in mpls now... i'll give ya a ring soon...
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:41:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: K I L L M A R Y <caschulze@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Out of Mind
Message-ID: <199806031541.LAA25867@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>
Steve Z sez...
>i'm also anti-drug. I was pissed when Chris deGarmo said that in order to
>get in the right headspace to write "Out of Mind" that he smoked a lot of
>pot. what kind of a composer are you when you need to rely on a mind
>altering substance to compose? I believe that compositional mettle should
>be proved by a composition composed in an unaltered mental state.
Perhaps that is the reason why Out of Mind is one of the worst Queensr=FFche
songs ever? I know there has been a lot of good music that is the result of
experiments with drugs, but everything that I really hold dear music wise
has been WRITTEN without a booze, as far as I know...
Christian.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:50:46 +0200 (MET DST)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Moonlight Sonata
Message-ID: <m0yhFoN-0000CNC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Joe DeAngelo asked:
> Where can I find a good rendition of Moonlight Sonata?
Check out Andre Matos' version on the album "Theatre Of Fate"
by Viper (his old band) !!
It starts like the classical version but then the band and Andre
join in...
Macht's gut!
Ties
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:58:53 +0200 (MET DST)
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nicky Lemons MP3!
Message-ID: <m0yhFwE-0000CNC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Hi!
I just added an MP3-soundsample to my Nicky Lemons site. It kicks ass. :-)
Check it out at http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/nicky/ !
And watch out for my sentimental "this is my 3500th 'jam" post!
Macht's gut!
Ties
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:55:44 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC
Message-ID: <01BD8F19.AC298B00@12.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
Mark Metzger wrote :
> Hogarth has a thin and whiny voice that many people find irritating
> (read: me !!).
Heheh, that sure explains why he's often voted best singer
in prog polls. It also explains him wanting to take singing
lessons way back, and being told he didn't need them because
he already had the technique down. Just listen to all H-era
Marillion albums in order of release, and you'll notice this
guy is getting better and better each year. Most singers
(Fish, for instance) just get worse.
In short, Steve Hogarth impresses the fuck out of me.
> And, he has the stage presence of a houseplant.
You must've missed the magic gloves and speaker climbing during
the "Seasons End" tour, Steve's stage act during the "Brave" tour
(make-up and pigtails, clothes changing, pink guitar), the five
different introductions he made up for "Garden Party" during the
"Made Again" tour (I think) and the cricket bat jam during the
"This Strange Engine" tour. You also missed me and a few other
Freaks throwing bananas on stage during "Hope For The Future",
with one of those bananas hitting H in the nuts. :) Ok, that
wasn't exactly part of Steve's stage presence... Just thought
it'd be fun to mention. :) Point is, he's far from being a
houseplant.
Anyway, if you want to be "entertained", go to a circus.
I personally go to concerts to enjoy the music.
> They're (hehehe #1) music - post-Fish - has mellowed quite a bit.
True, THEIR music has mellowed quite a bit (I'm not too happy with
that myself), but that's not Hogarth's fault. To be honest, I was
more impressed with Steve on "This Strange Engine" than I was with
the rest of the band...
> Name Withheld for fear that Mark Bredius will meet me at the flower
> stand and then kick my ass.
Meet me at the fanclub gig here in Rotterdam on the 22nd,
and I'll give you a well deserved kick in the ass. ;-)
_____
John E. Martin wrote in response to Mark Metzger's H bashing :
> H comes flying into the crowd half-way through the set to
> be part of the crowd and enjoy the show. You never saw
> Fish do that, did you?
Nope... But there's something Fish did that I have never seen
any other performer do... During the "Internal Exile" tour,
he started a few gigs by coming in through the main entrance,
walking through the crowd singing the intro to "Vigil", and
climbing on stage to finish the rest of the song. Pretty cool.
I've also seen Fish step on a microphone stand and getting
hit HARD right between the eyes. :) OUCH! Again, not really
something that was part of the act, but fun enough to mention.
> One other thing you may wish to keep in the back of your mind is
> the fact that H has never had anything bad to say about Fish at all.
True.
> However, I've read interviews with Fish where he does nothing but
> slam H and the rest of the band for their "cowardice" and "lack of
> vision."
Things must've changed a bit, though... I remember reading about
Fish hosting a radio show and occasionally playing some H-era
Marillion and even Steve Hogarth solo. And when I spoke to Fish
last year, we talked a bit about Steve... Not one bad word.
> I love Fish as a lyricist and contributing what he did to the
> band, but as a man, he'll never get my respect.
As a man, I think Fish deserves as much respect as H does.
Fish should just learn what he can and can not say, and
stop blaming others for things that go wrong with his solo
career. Other than that, he's a pretty cool guy. :-)
But as far as H vs Fish goes, it's all a matter of taste.
Anyway, sorry for the NDTC...
I'll try to make up for it on UACM ;-)
Mark Bredius
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