YTSEJAM Digest 3959
Today's Topics:
1) Keyboards, oh my!
by Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
2) Classical
by WhoFooldU@aol.com
3) giving the youth of today bad impressions
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
4) Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys) (i am)
by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
5) Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions
by Theiban@aol.com
6) Dream Gear - guitar
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
7) vote Lie video on MTV
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
8) Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
9) Yet another keyboard comment
by "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com>
10) Keyboards suck, you hole-sucking suckhole!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Ayreon/Decoryah
by Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au>
12) Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions
by Theiban@aol.com
13) Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
14) kkkkeyboards!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
15) Yanni and Dream Gear
by someone@enteract.com
16) Re: Ayreon
by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no>
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:23:28 -0300
From: Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Keyboards, oh my!
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980603222328.0079fe30@objectpeople.com>
Wow, I miss a couple of jams, and suddenly everyone's talking about
keyboards!!! Cool!!
Damon wrote:
>What about that hammond xb3 or whatever it was that derek used up until
>recently? I would think hammond does b3 better than anybody else, wouldn't
>you?
As far as I'm concerned, the XB2 was the best Hammond simulator UNTIL the
VK-7 came out. The VK just seems to have a more ballsier feel to it :)
Chris Oates wrote:
>So I'm thinking of starting a new thread among our keyboard-playin'
>members. What's your dream setup? I mean if you could get anything, but
>you actually had to play each piece of gear (i.e. no "one of everything")
>what would you get?
Here's my modest dream set-up:
Stand 1: - Roland JP-8000 for lead
- Kurzweil K2500 loaded to the tits for master
Stand 2: - My trusty Roland D5 for that great SynLead1 sound :)
- Roland JD-800
- Korg DW8000 for good measure
No rack 'cause I hate MIDI ;)
Woo hoo! I hope this keyboard thread never dies!!!
--- Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhouse@objectpeople.com> http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~015691b/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:26:11 EDT From: WhoFooldU@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Classical Message-ID: <292d54c7.357605c6@aol.com>
For those of you who may be interested in Classical Music, you might want to check out a book called "From Metal To Mozart: the Rock and Roll guide to Classical Music" by Craig Heller. The title sort of gives a little away in the perspective, but nonetheless a good discussion on classical music. A very easy read that is quite informative.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:29:37 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <l03130302b19bb1f63db5@[129.116.47.106]>
><< Hey all-- > Just a correction, Out of Mind is not the Queensryche song that Chris > smoked a lot of pot to write. That was Disconnected. Actually, just the > solo to Disconnected. I have the article in some guitar rag. > >> > >what a lovely message to send to the youth of today. as if they don't get >enough of that from the radio. i thought queensryche was above that, i guess >not...
actually, even OFB (well, at least one member) sends that message. in a Keyboard Magazine article where Derek talks about the writing "Lines in the Sand," when he talks about the begining keyboard solo (first minute of the song) he says, and I paraphrase:
"that's like something I would play after taking a big hit from a bong..."
something to ponder there.
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to live Dream Theater "Learning to Live" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys) (i am) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980603223747.5943A-100000@rac10.wam.umd.edu>
]From out of the shadows Chris Oates whispered:
>So I'm thinking of starting a new thread among our keyboard-playin' >members. What's your dream setup? I mean if you could get anything, but >you actually had to play each piece of gear (i.e. no "one of everything")
>what would you get? oh, here we go.... do i have to play them all at once? or just all in one song? :)
>Part of the reason I'm curious is that I'm getting a new car, and the >$10,000 I'm getting for my old one is prolly all going to keyboard gear, >so I might as well know what's out there. :) new wheels and 10 large to spend on keyboards: my man is livin in a fantasy world. i have to save money to buy 2 gallons of gas and a new volume pot for my sh101...
the ultimate list: 0) nothing made after 1988. why have digital when you can have the real thing??
door #1) B3 and leslie 122 (x2). who _didn't_ see this one coming? door #2) tube wurly & appropriate amp (vibrolux, bassman or other fender) door #3) moog system 55, ribbon controller, sequencer, yadda yadda door #4) arp 2600 (gray meanie) door #5) prophet 5.... for the pads door #6) jupiter 8.... or maybe 7 more pulse pluses :) ok, so maybe a little digital.... door #7) ppg wave 2.3 & waveterm B door #8) jd-800
i could go on and on (minimoog, cs-80, ob 8-voice, etc etc). maybe this thread should be "under $X000" or "currently in production" or "stuff you can/would actually haul out of the house". a good one would be a realistic touring setup for under $5k that one person could haul and set up.....
for the record, i really love my voce v3/MIDI drawbar/leslie 125 combo. less than $1000 for a hammond/leslie you can gig with!
- ilya
-- Trek|RockShox|Shimano|Continental|Specialized|White Bros. /\/ \ /\ /\ /\/ \/\ \/\/ __o / \/\/ /\ / / / \/ / _'\<,_ / \/ / ..... \ .. (*)/'(*).. .. -- Pakkrat studio site: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~lerxst/pakkrat "serving your synthesis needs"
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:49:08 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <9bb6dfa4.35760b25@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 22:43:05 EDT, you write:
<< actually, even OFB (well, at least one member) sends that message. in a Keyboard Magazine article where Derek talks about the writing "Lines in the Sand," when he talks about the begining keyboard solo (first minute of the song) he says, and I paraphrase: "that's like something I would play after taking a big hit from a bong..." something to ponder there. >>
it does sound like he could be suggesting that. but he could also be talking about the style of the keyboard solo. it does kinda give you that feeling of the 70's tripping, stoned age. or hell, maybe derek is a pot head. i have nothing against pot head, to each his own, but just don't tell my kids how great it is supposed to be.
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:55:58 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Gear - guitar Message-ID: <l03130303b19bb7d39ecd@[129.116.47.106]>
Here's my dream guitar setup:
*Mesa/boogie Triaxis *Simul-class 2:ninety poweramp Soldano rackmount preamp Sony Wireless Eventide GTR-4000 effects processor Bradshaw Switching System Dunlop rackmount wah Yamaha guitar-to-MIDI converter Korg TR-rack Mesa/Boogie recto 4x12 speaker cabs with armor
(* I've got it already) this setup will allow me to get any sound, guitar or otherwise, I want. I really want to add keyboard stuff to my band, but we don't want to get another member, and none of us are very good at piano. as for the other stuff, the triaxis/simul-class combo is unbeatable. I love it, and I can be happy with my setup indefinitely (as soon as I get a cab that can handle the power, my half-back 2x12 barely cuts the mustard). I was planning on getting a Soldano setup until I played with the Triaxis and realized that I needed more tonal versatility than a head can provide. If I had to go with a head, I would probably get a Soldano, though. Then when I saw Full on the Mouth, the guitarist had rackmount Soldano preamps, so I must now get one (some day in the distant future after my band has sold 100,000 of our first CD, out in a month or so). the Eventide is the most amazing effects processor on the planet, and it looks so fucking cool with that huge backlit LCD display. I've messed with an older model at a music store, and the sounds and sound quality was amazing. the 4,000 price tag is a little out of my budget at the present time, though (just wait for that CD to sell!) Bradshaw - how else am I going to control all of this crap? I'm pretty sure Dunlop doesn't make the rack-wah any more, but I don't see how I can hook up a wah normally with this setup without using long cords that really degrade the sound. I might just have to find a used one. I read about the Yamaha in Keyboard Mag. it's supposed to be really fast at converting guitar to midi, like the fastest one they've seen, better than the GR-30 and similar products, and uses Roland GK-2A pickup, which isn't real expesnive.
well, that's my dream setup there. Any tone on the planet, and I can die happy with this rig.
James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to live Dream Theater "Learning to Live" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:56:17 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: vote Lie video on MTV Message-ID: <199863225131441@ix.netcom.com>
I figure that most people that will be watching will be turned on by DT's heavier stuff, and theres some weird stuff in PMU that might throw them off ;-) Lie is probably one of DT's heaviest songs, probably the heaviest stuff Ive heard them do (except for the begining of "The Crimson Sunrise" after the band kicks in). And from what Ive heard, the video edit doesnt sound too bad. So, anyone agree? LETS PUT LIE ON eMpTyV!!!
Matt
PS - my band got our first gig :-) :-) :-) and we only have 45 minutes, though :-( :-( :-(. We can only do 1 DT song, and we want it to show off their material to the best we can. We do You Not Me and Peruvian Skies. Which one do you think we should do?
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:00:30 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <00b301bd8f6d$521420e0$28c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
|the 70's tripping, stoned age. or hell, maybe derek is a pot head. i have |nothing against pot head, to each his own, but just don't tell my kids how |great it is supposed to be.
I think it's blatantly clear: Derek is a pothead. And hey, don't forget that KJLB is also heavy into the whole mary jane thing. Cuz someone saw him smoking a joint in amsterdam. So he must be a druggie. So that's 2. Damn, the band is going to shit.
--
"I lost my vision in a tragic gambling accident." -Mike Portnoy, "A Change of Seasons"
Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:56:06 -0500 From: "Brandon Vaughn" <bvaughn@snowhill.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yet another keyboard comment Message-ID: <008001bd8f64$55d3fe20$400a86d0@bvaughn>
With all the talk about keyboards, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Kurzweil K2000 and K2500 keyboards. Anybody have opinions on these? They seem to be able to read in just about every company's samples (although they don't read in any programming).
I know that Derek and Kev never used them, but a lot of other prog players use them like: Rudess (who says he never records anything unless it is Kurzweil), Patrick Moraz (supposedly), Rick Wakeman (he has them listed on his website), and others.
I'm looking into getting this or maybe an Akai sampler so I can get some Mellotron samples and Hammond Organ samples to do some prog music in the style of Genesis and Flower Kings.
By the way, anybody heard of the Flower Kings? They are an awesome melodic prog band. Check them out at:
http://www.users.wineasy.se/flowerkings/
Guitarists...go to the sound files and listen to the Judas Kiss off of their album Retropolis (which I consider the best prog album I own besides Images and Words). Awesome. They are not like DT, though. Also check out Retropolis and There's More To This World. Their newest album (2 CDs!!! for just $5 more than a regular CD!) has a killer 25 min song called Stardust We Are.
They have some of the best keyboards I think in prog music right now. I think they use mostly Roland samples.
The MadTabber
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:20:14 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Keyboards suck, you hole-sucking suckhole! Message-ID: <003d01bd8f67$c864e1e0$2e0d84d0@korgx3>
>I know that Derek and Kev never used them, but a lot of other prog players >use them like: Rudess (who says he never records anything unless it is >Kurzweil), Patrick Moraz (supposedly), Rick Wakeman (he has them listed on >his website), and others.
HEY! Don't forget Subtlerage uses them, too, suckhole! =)
He uses Korg, too. Roland sucks. So does his sister.
Why is it that I consider myself a keyboard player, but just don't give a rat's ass to study all different models and such? I guess the thought never occured to me. I'm happy with anything with black and white keys that makes sound. You can occasionally see me in Target playing along with the "I Shot the Sheriff" demo on the 5 year old Casio keyboards and having a hell of a time. :) I can kick Jordan Rudess's ass on Tinykeys[tm] anyday of the week. =)
An' I hate organs. If ya wanna play with an organ, go to church or buy Bill Clinton a drink.
DREAM THEATER KICKS ASS!!!!! (And so do I) --KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:20:52 +1000 From: Luke Bateup <slslb@winshop.com.au> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ayreon/Decoryah Message-ID: <35761294.CEEBC1F@winshop.com.au>
Snoochie Boochies Ytse-Noohies,
Does anyone out there have any info. on the band Ayreon? What influences, styles, etc. and what album - 'Final Experiment' or 'Actual Fantasy' - to go for first?
Also, if anyone's got similar info. on the band Decoryah? Namely the album 'Wisom Floats'.
Thanks,
Luke.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:18 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <a6b04586.357615bc@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 23:14:13 EDT, you write:
<< I think it's blatantly clear: Derek is a pothead. And hey, don't forget that KJLB is also heavy into the whole mary jane thing. Cuz someone saw him smoking a joint in amsterdam. So he must be a druggie. So that's 2. Damn, the band is going to shit. >>
dammit! desmond child did it! i just know it! like i said, to each his own, i don't care what they do, just don't preach what they do. i guess don't preach what you practice, it's kinda like reverse testament. =]
Rocky
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 01:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980604011351.543230266A-100000@drew.edu>
> it does sound like he could be suggesting that. but he could also be talking > about the style of the keyboard solo. it does kinda give you that feeling of > the 70's tripping, stoned age. or hell, maybe derek is a pot head. i have > nothing against pot head, to each his own, but just don't tell my kids how > great it is supposed to be.
This is straying a bit from the pot thread, but the first time I heard the beginning of LiTS, I thought it would go great as the backdrop to the movie "Flash Gordon."
ALL HAIL MING!
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:21:20 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: kkkkeyboards! Message-ID: <199806040523.WAA19806@cats.ucsc.edu>
>What about that hammond xb3 or whatever it was that derek used up until >recently? I would think hammond does b3 better than anybody else, wouldn't >you? No matter what organ simulator you buy, try to get a leslie cabinet. >Otherwise, you cheapen the sound.
Like I said, the VK-7 does it better than anything this side of a Hammond. Keyboard mag did a blow out of all the "B3 wannabes" -- a Hammond A-something came in first for "closest to a b3 sound" but among all the non-hammond synths, including the VK-7, an Oberheim unit, and several tone generators + drawbar units, the VK-7 came out clearly ahead in all categories.
The leslie sim on the VK-7 is the best I've heard of any leslie sim. It's probably because the VK use s aphysical model for it, but it really has the guts that others I've heard (like the Trinity) lack. If you're a purist, it has the 11 pin leslie out so you can lug around a real leslie if you want to. Does Derek use a real leslie now that he's using the VK-7? I dunno.
re: EX5 >But it has enough controllers on board to choke Keith Emerson >with. :)
The ribbon is nice, but I'd rather have the joystick. I may get the EX5R if the sounds are neat, but the A-90EX is my controller of dream choice. It has the same or more controllers than the EX5.
>keyboard Ihave played with, especially the high end workstations, all have >leslie effects. The xp50 and series has it. The Ensoniq keyboards have it. >The yamaha has it. It is usually low end keyboards that blow at leslie >effects.
I haven't used too many of the past 3 or so years worth of workstations, so that may be my lack of experience. I do know that even the trinity and the EX7 I heard pale (IMO) in comparison to the VK-7 for the leslie simulation.
All right. enough of this leslie talk. We should take it to email if we want to continue.
~Chris
Why does my sig keep coming out screwed up? :P
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:36:28 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yanni and Dream Gear Message-ID: <199806040531.AAA20946@oats.farm.niu.edu>
If Yanni is considered to be some sort of pre-eminent 20th century composer 200 years from now, that'll be the death of me. :)
I don't think Yanni will be there (nor do I think he deserves to be, even though I respect him and really do enjoy some of his music... I enjoy some Foo Fighters and a lot of obscure and obsolete shred as well, and I don't think they'll make it just because I like em). I DO think that the masters of jazz have attained immortality, and will be recognized as the Bach, Mozart, and Beethovens of the 20th century. They did a LOT to change music and took it to areas that have never been considered before, in a scholarly sense. But I think this century has seen more of a variety of music than any other (by necessity, since we've kept most of the styles of folk art-music created over the millenia, and added countless new forms)... I have to imagine that things that started significant genres--Punk, Metal, "New Wave," Rock, Pop, Acid Jazz, Funk, Soul, Motown... you name it... will all achieve some similar level of immortality. It'd be silly to argue over though, since it's nothing we could substantiate an answer for one way or the other.
I like the dream gear idea. :) Mine's really simple. I want a rack with: A G-Force, an Eventide, my Simul-Class 2:90 and TriAxis, in conjunction with a Bogner Ecstacy head and an old Fender Twin. Then hook me up with 2 Marshall 4 X 12s with Celstion greenbacks and 2 Mesa 4X12s with Vintage 30s.
For guitars, I need Steinberger to make me 2 7-strings: No headstock, but full guitar body, one in black with a scalloped fretboard, and one in blue, with a standard fretboard. This would probably require me to not only be rich, but also "The Next Steve Vai" to convince them to make this stuff. :) I wonder what kind of semi-hollow/hollow axe Steinberger could make.... nah... I'd just get a brand new Benedetto 7 string (they start at only $17K) archtop.
I'd need SEVERAL acoustics... even most of the guitarists could care less about what I'd say there, so I'll just stop now...
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:06:27 +0200 From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" <bjornar.bevolden@hm.telia.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ayreon Message-ID: <35764773.D40DA288@hm.telia.no>
Hello ! > Does anyone out there have any info. on the band Ayreon? What > influences, styles, etc. and what album - 'Final Experiment' or 'Actual > Fantasy' - to go for first? You should without doubt get "The final experiment" first. This is=20 a superb album. There are a lot of different styles in their music, and that`s what makes this so special. But if you like your music, melodic, heavy, symphonic and a bit progressive you should definitely get the cd. It`s a concept album with different musicians and vocalists on different tracks.This is concidered a classic debut album. Actual fantasy is good too, but more straightforward and not as exciting. You should get that one too, but first you have to buy "The final expriment". Ayreon is also going to release a new double cd in september.=20 The singers are: - Fish (Fish, Marillion) - Sharon Den Adel (Within Temptation) - Damian Wilson (Threshold) - Edwin Balgh (Tamas, Omega) - Anneke van Giersbergen (The Gathering) Just to name some of them. And the cd also includes guestmusicians from Gorefest, Arena, Vengeance, Camel,Soylent Green and Robbie Valentine.
Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway !
NP: Trivial Act: Mindscape
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