YTSEJAM Digest 3960
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3959
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
2) Re: spewing KorgX3's
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
3) druggies?
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
4) Trying to cover the flames & new E-mail
by The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3959
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
6) My (realistic) dream gear.
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
7)
by krackley@weidmuller.com
8) Check this CD out!
by Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
9)
by Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
10) OK KIDDIES THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M GONNA ASK
by Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
11) Definition for quality
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) lie
by Devs0432@aol.com
13) re: Out of Mind
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) scalloped frets/prognosis
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
15) Re: Antal Dorati & Organ Music
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
16) Keyboards 'n stuff
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:23:29 EDT
From: DrummerEsh@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3959
Message-ID: <4b40e026.35764b72@aol.com>
Heres my dream drum setup:
Mike Portnoy's set.
=)
~Esh~
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:25:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: spewing KorgX3's
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980604021925.9397A-100000@drac.host4u.net>
KorgX3 spewed forth the following drivel:
:HEY! Don't forget Subtlerage uses them, too, suckhole! =)
:
:He uses Korg, too. Roland sucks. So does his sister.
LOL! who have you been talking to? er, uh, heh.
as for the keyboards.... yeah. i own a Kurzweil PC88mx and a Korg
O1/Wfd. the Korg was simply the most kick ass thing i could find and
afford when i bought it 5 years ago. the Kurzweil was the most kick ass
sounding controller, and had the best piano sound/feel that i could find 2
years ago. i'll never trade either one of them in. the sequencer in the
Korg, IMO, is the most idiot proof straight forward and easy sequencer to
use. and it's pretty powerful.
but if i won the lottery, i'd definitely add a Trinity and K2svx to my
setup. maybe a Wavestation too. those just rule, even if they're a bit
outdated. :)
:Why is it that I consider myself a keyboard player, but just don't give a
:rat's ass to study all different models and such? I guess the thought
i only know what i've played. and i haven't been playing much lately
besides my own. i'm a piano player first and foremost... i only know
enough about synths to get by. but i *do* know that i prefer the sounds
on Korgs and Kurzweils the most. of course, you get what you pay for.
they're not cheap.
_______________________________________________________________________
Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com
subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock
Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:44 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: druggies?
Message-ID: <199806040739.KAA03048@xyz.estcard.ee>
]From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
> that KJLB is also heavy into the whole mary jane thing. Cuz someone saw
> him smoking a joint in amsterdam. So he must be a druggie. So that's 2.
> Damn, the band is going to shit.
Put things in perspective and rely not on the official propaganda too
much. I bet I drink beer (and many here do) a LOT more often than the
above mentioned keyboard player and/or vocalist do pot. Am I an alcoholic?
Am I considered one?
Funny how one joint a month (or more) makes a druggie, but 20 beers a
weekend don't make an alcoholic. Don't even get me started on coffee and
tobacco here.
Dream Theater related? Somewhat.
Raitz
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:27:55 +0100
From: The Working Man <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Trying to cover the flames & new E-mail
Message-ID: <98Jun4.103307gmt+0100.31371@gate.tranemo.se>
Well.
Wasting bandwidth. I do it. Lots of others do it. I.e. according to me.
But not even I am perfect.
Phil Carter wrote:
After reading my suggestions that he page down if he doesn't want to =
read
a discussion, Per P. remarked:
> Yeah yeah, I'll page down all right (that's what I do with 80% of the =
=3D
> list posts) - but still it's not one ppm DT. IMHO, it's not even =
"prog" =3D
> (in the modern day meaning of it), the type of contents this list's =
=3D
> messages is supposed to have... am I right?
Technically, yes, but I hardly think Skadz is going to step into a
discussion that actually involves music and has some real intrinsic =
value
(like the classical thread, which actually seems to be dying down now).
Considering all the off-topic stuff which we see here that causes flame
wars, I think the classical thread's well worth reading.=20
Okay, then. I don't think it's worth reading, but hey, who am I to=20
force others not to read it?
Per also wrote:
> Phil Sullivan sighed and replied:
You might want to check your attributions more carefully, Per. It was
*Pat* Sullivan. Not the best way to get him to listen to your points.=20
Yehyeh, okay, I'm sorry...! I guess I was a bit confused in my fury...
*damn*
I called a female teacher for "mama" when I was 8 years old. Guess it's =
still there,
at least some of it. :-)
Here's from *PAT* Sullivan, then:
> > I didn't want to say that it didn't belong here just because I was =
not=20
> > interested. Separate those two and you'll have my correct meaning: =
I'm
> > not interested AND it doesn't really belong here. (Skadz? Does it?)
> > Shouldn't we start a thread regarding someone's favourite =
Stratocaster
> > colour?
>=20
> That's not really a fair comparison because the color of your guitar =
has
> nothing to do with the music you produce. On the other hand, I can see
> some influence of classical music in just about every "progressive" =
band
> that I own a CD by. With bands like Symphony X and Savatage, it's very
> up front; with DT, I think it's a little more subdued, but it is still
> there.
Then we either got to have completely different ear/brain structures,=20
and by that find entirely different elements in in the elements, or just =
listen to completely different kinds of music.=20
Aqua (Suqua) & the likes have classical elements as well, and they're =
not the least progressive - topic here? Nah.
Almost (I say almost) all music today have influences from the classical =
tunes. But, some influences are obvious - and that's what I call a =
classical=20
influence. I didn't really have in mind the elements of influence you =
got to=20
think out and seek for.
Colour makes no difference? In my (stupid) country, we learn that red =
makes one excited, green & blue makes one calm, yellow makes one =
creative, white makes one happy and black makes one go depressed. Well, =
I don't believe it, but so I'm told.
(My bass is both black and white, maybe that's why I'm so restless...?)
> Maybe we should find out what classical composers DT likes
> and only discuss them?
No, come off it, man. I'm not forcing anyone to *change* anything.=20
If people want to say something, fine with me. Just as I have the =
freedom=20
to say what *I* think, right?
It would be more like DTC, though.
> > Well, that's my opinion as well - although I can't find the =
comparison
> > you make relevant. Nubian folk-tunes have more complexity & =
integrity
> > than lots of dull classical works - and that's not a thread here, is =
it?
>
> I don't think the people that are interested in the discussion are
> talking about what they consider "dull classical works". I would guess
> that they find some of it complex, intricate and emotionally involving =
-
> just like DT's music.
Well - how the hell should I know... I "paged down" 'til my index finger =
fell off!
> I don't know about Nubian folk, but what about Celtic music? I'm =
willing
> to bet you'd say that was off-topic too, but there *is* at least one
> band out there that plays progressive Celtic music. So, would they be
> on-topic or off?
I have not heard any Celtic music - therefor I could not put a straight=20
comment. I don't know if it's "progressive" in that meaning or not.
> The main thing here is that there is a bunch of people on the list
> having an informed, intelligent and rational discussion about music.
> What is so wrong with that?
Nothing. Nothing at all. But is it wrong of me, just stating ONCE that=20
I don't like that it's "wasting my bandwidth" (excuse the expression)?
Oh well, summer's coming. I'm going to sit in my room and play bass=20
all the time (no, I don't have a life). If anyone replies to this or=20
anything after Friday, 2 a.m. (7 a.m. GMT) New York time, send it to=20
my other e-mail address:
pettersson@kurir.net
Otherwise, you won't get an answer until=20
the middle of August!
Peace, pace, bass,
--------------------------------
//tHe WoRkInG mAn
aka Per Pettersson aka Gary Lee Weinrib & John Myung-wannabe
Favourite song: "Paradigm Shift" - Liquid Tension Experiment
Favourite album: "Misplaced Childhood" - Marillion
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| It seems to me |
| I could live my life |
| A lot better than I think I am. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:00:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3959
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980604044349.63382E-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
LETS PUT LIE ON eMpTyV!!!
>
>
If we're going to do a campaign like this, I suggest we promote something
current: something off FII. Which leaves us in a bit of a pickle: BMS was
released as a single, but to my knowledge there isn't a video for it (or
is there....MP?). Which leaves us with HY, which does have a video. The
only problem is that it hasn't been released as a single here in the U.S.
(or has it... MP?). So I vote for Hollow Years. Let's say MTV is bombarded
with 2,000 requests to play Hollow Years. They check their stacks for a
video they don't have. Maybe they just say "To hell with it" and pop in
the new Green Day video instead. Or maybe the seeds of thought get planted
and they become more aware of the name. Or maybe, just maybe, they ask for
a copy from East/West to see if they're missing out on something. Maybe
they'll throw it in at 4:00am just to test the waters. If that happens,
THAT'S when we really pounce, flooding them with e-mails like "Gee, saw
really cool video the other night by these Dream Theater guys. Mind
playing it again?" Stranger things have happened.
Richie
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:57:24 PDT
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My (realistic) dream gear.
Message-ID: <19980604115724.27608.qmail@hotmail.com>
What a great thread!I“m a drummer so here“s what I still need to
complete my dream setup:
Cymbals
Lots of them.You can never have enough of them.I need atleast three more
crashes, one china(two chinas are lots cooler than one)And Lots of
splashes.Oh, and a new ride to replace my crappy old Paiste.
Toms
13" and 16" to be exact.
Octobans
Atleast four!IMO, these things are the coolest thing to happen to modern
drumset since the invention of the hi-hat.Since their pitch is so high
they really make the drummer stand out.
Assorted percussion
Cowbells, tambourines, woodblocks...and mini timbales!
That“s about it.I tried to keep the list down.I could actually afford to
buy all these things in a few years.Of course my real(and
unrealistic)dream setup would be that of Portnoy“s.That kit has
everything!
-Ville-
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:22:21 -0400
From: krackley@weidmuller.com
Message-ID: <199806041322.JAA00127@mail.weidmuller.com>
> Matt Smith wrote:
> Album Currently Playing: Iron Maiden--Somewhere In Time
"The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" - awesome song
Kevin Rackley
http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/amythyst
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:15:28 -0400
From: Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Check this CD out!
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980604091528.0090f2d0@131.128.81.1>
I just stumbled onto this CD for sale on the web the other day and had to
pick one up. It is really cool stuff, like a classical/prog thing. The web
page says it was all composed on a MIDI syth and stuff. If your into
keyboard/MIDI stuff or just well written music (which you are if you are
here) I urge you to check out the samples on this web page and pick up a
copy for yourselves.
http://gogood.simplenet.com/dreamworld/
-Paul
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:29:58 -0500
From: Dave Ware <dware@walker.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <B1A22B4F087BD111B317006097939160264F21@BHAM-XCHG.immpower.com>
Hi,
>Chris Oates wrote :-
>Hey guitarists and other musician folks: join in. What's your dream
gear?
Well thanks for inviting us Chris - I was feeling a little left
out there. I've just bought my dream setup, which isn't too far away
from the whole midi/synth stuff (strange for a drummer). I used to be
one of those "ACOUSTIC OR DIE" type of drummers until I had a go on the
Yamaha DTX (v2). From then on I was completely hooked, and had to have
one. And I'm glad to say I got one the other day - and it's completely
awesome. I do a whole bunch of my own stuff on a 4-track (Tascam 414)
at home (I have a Zoom 505 for my guitar, incidentally) and I've always
had a nightmare with the drums - incredibly hard to record an acoustic
and a drum machine is a big no (it's hard to get that human feel to it
all). But the DTX allows you to configure tons of sounds - and then
play them like a real drum kit (you can even do cymbal chokes).
It rocks my world - and I piss everyone off raving about it.
Oh joy,
Dave (a UK Jammer - now in Alabama).
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:34:40 +0100
From: Steve.Arthur@Thameswater.CO.UK
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OK KIDDIES THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M GONNA ASK
Message-ID: <80256619.004A6511.00@ThamesWater.Co.Uk>
ANY BODY KNOW ANY BACKGROUND TO THE GUITAR TALKIN BOOT CD
I'VE ASKED 2-3 TIMES BUT YOU IGNORANT YANKS (ONLY JOKIN' KIDS) ARE NOT
RESPONDING
Love and Stiff British Upper Lip
Stevey A
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:54:19 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Definition for quality
Message-ID: <01BD8FE2.2EB2E9E0@29.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
In search of the definition for quality, Rick Audet wrote :
> Are you saying popularity defines quality ?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it took "quality" to become
popular in prog circles. Either that, or a certain amount
of Tolkien references.
> Are you saying being a master of "technique" defines quality ?
In my opinion, "technique" is what seperates the boys from
the men. ;-) Of course it doesn't *define* "quality", but
it's certainly a step into the right direction.
> Are you saying that improvement defines quality ?
I wasn't aware I was trying to define *anything*, let alone
something as subjective as "quality". I was only commenting
on the fact that I think Steve Hogarth keeps getting better
with each album, showing his ability to grow and progress.
> I wish I didn't feel this way, but Steve Hogarth is absolutely
> the worst singer I have ever heard.
Funny how tastes can differ, 'cuz I think he's brilliant.
> Hogarth Haters Unite !
Dontcha think it's kinda pathetic to hate a band or
artist, simply because they're not your cup of tea ?
But I'm sure you were kidding. :)
> Flames redirected to /dev/null. :)
No problem, I'll just kick your ass on #Ytsejam. ;-)
Mark Bredius
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Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-03-1998
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:11:33 EDT
From: Devs0432@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: lie
Message-ID: <b4b30ada.3576c736@aol.com>
< LETS PUT LIE ON eMpTyV!!!
I'm all for it!! Woo-hoo.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Out of Mind
Message-ID: <19980604170311.8780.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>
Someone drank his bong water and wrote:
>Hey all--
>Just a correction, Out of Mind is not the Queensryche >song that
Chris smoked a lot of pot to write. That >was Disconnected.
Actually, just the solo to >Disconnected. I have the article in some
guitar rag.
Actually, Chris was on drugs when he was doing everything after
Mindcrime. That alone should be a strong anti-drug statement!
DT Content - It wasn't Derek who started DT on the mary jane. It was
actually Kevin, who was getting it in California to ease the pain of
his testicular cancer. But that's a different story...
TIC, BH
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:08:33 -0500
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: scalloped frets/prognosis
Message-ID: <l03130301b19c83e0dd93@[129.116.47.106]>
>For guitars, I need Steinberger to make me 2 7-strings: No
>headstock, but full guitar body, one in black with a scalloped
>fretboard,
what is the point of scalloped frets, anyway? do you use it for micro
bends or something? unfortunately, I'm a lefty and have never been able to
play on a guitar w/ scallops (mmmm, sounds tastey) 'cause the only one I've
ever seen is Yngwie's (sp) strat, so I don't know what it feels like.
whassup wit dat?!
PS -
when is prognosis going to be updated? some of those other lessons on
there would be pretty cool, if I could click on them!
James C. Shields
Undergraduate
University of Texas at Austin
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Spread before you is your soul
So forever hold the dreams within our hearts
Through Nature's inflexible grace
I'm Learning to live
Dream Theater "Learning to Live"
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:56:36 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Antal Dorati & Organ Music
Message-ID: <001a01bd8fea$89c43b60$84c95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
About Bach's 'Toccatta and Fugue in Dm', another interesting little bit of
info: Bach used to clean and repair the huge pipe organs in church, and he
wrote that piece to test the organs. I understand he worked for the church
but was looked down upon because he kept writing this stuff that sounded
almost satanic and stuff :) At least, that's what my music teacher told me.
He went to Berklee, so he should know. (just a set up line, don't worry).
--"I lost my vision in a tragic gambling accident." -Mike Portnoy, "A Change of Seasons"
Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:58:37 -0800 From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Keyboards 'n stuff Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA1018F3FF1@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
Since the thread is going on, I thought I would peek a question in here and pray for a private response.
Roland XP-50 keyboards are flat out nice. The fact that they don't do any of their own sampling is kind of a bummer, but the capabilities of the thing are just nice and sweet. It's the only keyboard I own since I'm not loaded or nuttin. I would love to have a weighted keyboard someday but the old stand-up piano downstairs handles that. (:
My question is for anyone who currently owns a XP-50 or something along those lines. The patches can be modified in just about any possible way you can think of using the onboard waveforms. The possibilities are nearly endless. So having that capability under one's belt, it leads me to believe that someone out there has a XP-50 keyboard with a disk full of some wicked custom patches. Leads, pads, etc. Is there any way someone could send me a few of those that I could play with? I'm looking for examples of what I can do with the thing (yes i'm freakin lazy and i've had the thing since january 96 so what? (: ) and in particular I'm looking for some nice potential leads.
I could come up with a few more questions but I'll leave that for later in the event that someone has an idea of where I can go with this. I don't want to spam the whole list any more than unnecessary. *grin*
-= norg =-
~the next Brak.
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