YTSEJAM Digest 3961
Today's Topics:
1) Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) Scalloped Frets
by someone@enteract.com
3) Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys) (i am)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
4) Re: Yet another keyboard comment
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
5) Re: kkkkeyboards!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
6) AWAKE Cover
by "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it>
7) Re: spewing KorgX3's
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) Re: AWAKE Cover
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
9) $10 discount at CDnow
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Re: AWAKE Cover
by "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com>
11) Bach & DT
by newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb)
12) coupla dumb keys questions
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
13) DeGarmo sighting/ect
by John Haveman <jhaveman@u.arizona.edu>
14) Re: coupla dumb keys questions
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
15) sorry!!
by "Johnson, Steve" <steve.johnson@mcd.com>
16) Re: Bach & DT
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
17) Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
18) Bass
by rpark@cyberhost.com (Ryan Park)
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604142339.5110C-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You know, to respnd to this, (and you knew I would), first I want to say
that before anybody bitches about off topicness,we had to read through
guitar pickups, equipment, and picking techniques, and now it is the
keyboardists turn. First, to Chris, definitely look at the ex5 or ex5r.
The ex7 is cut in half, some features were lost to lower the price. half
the polyphony, no scsi, and some other shit I don't remember. Now, with
this in mind, here we go. My keyboard situation, the Yamaha ex5, which I
will have soon. The ex5 would serve as my controller, and master keyboard.
Racked to the ex5, through midi, would be the TR rack, and the jv2080 with
all the boards I already have. Above the ex5, I think I would go with the
Hammond xb3 or Roland VK7, but definitely hooked up to leslies. Placed
strategically to the right, would be an Oberheim obxa, above which would
be a minimoog. I don't need no jp8000, I will just get the real thing. I
would also love a set of Taurus pedals, just like Geddy Lee's. There, now
I got everything I could possibly want.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:37:12 +0000 From: someone@enteract.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Scalloped Frets Message-ID: <199806041831.NAA00391@oats.farm.niu.edu>
Scalloped frets just have a weird feel to em. I played on Christian's (AKA KillMary) Les-Clone (Sweet axe!) with a scalloped fretboard, and while I hated it at first, later that day I was really digging it. It's not as easy as you think to accidentally bend out of tune, if you have good technique to start with. What it does, is teach you to use the right amount of pressure, and allows you to bend much more easily than you normally would. You don't feel the wood under your fingertips... it's really like you're trying to push a wire through 2 poles. Very interesting. I think that it would be ideal for 8 finger stuff, because it's a really "easy" feeling on the fingers... like you barely need to touch the strings to get the sound you want.
Prognosis will be updated someday. I ditched the prog site part because I couldn't get around to updating it, and because I like too much non-prog. The guitar site is actually much more tedious because of all the screen shots. I have a million ideas to put up there, but I am so bored with punching in all the html.... I will get back on it really soon... but it's gonna take a day or two of real freetime, which I do not have an abundance of right now. I'll announce something when I've added some significant content.
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: If you aren't sick yet (keys) (i am) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604143250.5110D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
You know, I never really heard the vos v3 with drawbars. And to Chris again, if you have problems spending that 10K on keyboards, send some my way. I have some ideas. For myself, I mean. Look out, mama.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Yet another keyboard comment Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604143448.5110E-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Here's my take on the k2500. If you are into learning curves and programming, go for the k2500. I tried one out and the sounds left me cold. I guess if you like programming. Rudess makes that thing sound great, but I can't do much with programming due to vission problems and reading those screens, which is why I will not buy a trinity, (stupid touch screen). However, if you are into sampling, go with the akai sampler. Most definitely. Or emu. Kurzweil is good, too, but don't dump the $4500 on the k2500, try to get the k2500r rack. Only mgyh opinion. As for hammond b3 and melotron sounds, you cold do just as well with a xp80 and the keybords of the 60s and 70s expansion boards which does hammonds, combo organs like farfizas, fender rhodes, wurlies, clavs, melotrons and more. The vintage synth boards takes care of most analog needs. The two must-have boards for prog. And it is much elss expensive. And they sound authentic enough. Or go for the yamaha ex5 and get the akai CDs, (the ex5 can read akai, but only the raw samples), and program the melotron based on what you think it should sound like.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: kkkkeyboards! Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604144138.5110F-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Yeah, but does your Roland controller have a ribbon controller? Yeah, maybe the ex5 doesn't cut it very nicely with organs, but it works for me. And I think Derek has always used Leslies. When I spoke to him during an interview for my college radio show, he said that all keyboards should have an organ sound with leslies. He says he doesn't know how a keyboard player can work withoutit. I am paraphrasing, of course. But, I totaly agree with him. I did play the vk7 through a mono keyboard amp. I bet if I ran it in stereo through my rig, I would be much more impressed.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:37:38 +0200 From: "Marco Anastasi" <rd@tau.it> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AWAKE Cover Message-ID: <01bd8fe7$d990ba40$e91f46c1@mau.omnia.it>
Hello Fellow Jammers ! Has anyone of you noticed the connection between Awake's songs titles and the cover of that album ? 6:00 : The moon-watch on the upper-left corner; Caught In A Web : The web in the lower-right corner; The Silent Man : The statue ? The Mirror : I think that's clear ! :) Have you noticed any other coincidence ?
[Mav]
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: spewing KorgX3's Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604144843.5110I-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
There are musicians and there are keyboardists. Musicians just play and don't tgive a shit what they are playing. They are concerned with the notes only and if it is a grand piano, a Korg trinity pro/x or a detuned upright in the garage, they don't care. Keyboardists, like myself and others on this list, lust after the latest shit. We dream about it. We fantasize about it. We go to the store and play everything, studying its variations, critically listen to each timbre and reject or obsess over each model. For months, I dreamt about a Trinity, then the yamaha ex5 came out and I traded in my past lust object, my xp50, for it. We will painstakingly craft our sounds. Yes, some of us care about the notes. I am a keyboardist, but I love prog, which means that I care about what I play and can play quite well, but I love the sound of keyboards. Van Halen's Jump, which still has the greatest keyboard sound of all time, made me fall in love with the synth. Tom Sawyer cemented that love for me. I just love keyboards. The sound they make is so diverse. And lately, they are just getting so good again. I still want my oberheim obxa, though. I am not knocking the musician of the crowd. As long as the person has talent, and can play his ass of I respect them. Us keyboardists just think of more things than notes. Guitarists and bassists can be this way too. Look at how manyof you lust after mesas and fenders and such. Case closed. No bashing no flaming, just making an observation. The only flaming I would do here is if you own pro gear and play Green Day covers. Then you nee to be shot.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: AWAKE Cover Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980604121717.15934B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Marco Anastasi wrote:
> >Hello Fellow Jammers ! >Has anyone of you noticed the connection between Awake's songs titles and >the cover of that album ?
Oh my GOD! I never noticed that before! Quick! Stick that shit in the FAQ! Oh wait... it's already in there...
You prolly got a message when you joined. Read it again. Carefully. Good. Now, wait, and when you have something more off-topic to say, you can come back.
--Matt
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:00:18 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: $10 discount at CDnow Message-ID: <01BD9000.36A93320@23.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
Just got the following email from CDnow :
> Dear Mark, > > Good News! > > For the entire month of June, your visitors receive a $10.00 discount > on their purchases of $20.00 or more at CDnow (applicable taxes, > shipping and handling not included). This discount will automatically > appear in their account when they come to CDnow from your site, using > your Cosmic URLs. Limit one per customer. This offer is not combinable > with any other promotions or discounts. Offer expires June 30, 1998.
This discount is ONLY available if you go to CDnow through a so called "Cosmic URL". You can find "Cosmic URLs" on "Under A Cyber Moon" in the left frame of the frames version or the CDnow links on UACM's links page... So if you haven't bought "LTE" yet... ;-)
Not only will YOU get a $10 discount, they'll give ME 5 % in CDnow credit over the amount of money you spend (*including* that $10). Cool deal all around. :-)
If you have your own site you might want to consider joining CDnow's Cosmic Credit program too... It's pretty cool. There are lots of other online record stores with credit programs, like Music Boulevard and CD Universe, btw.
Later!
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:43:54 -0600 From: "McClure Engineering" <mcclure@magiclink.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: AWAKE Cover Message-ID: <002201bd8ff1$2f89eb20$4af086cc@chuckrei>
>Have you noticed any other coincidence ?
I think this is in the FAQ. I just don't know the address. heheh. It's not really coincidence since it was painted that way. heheh. Look at the Images and Words cover and you'll see
A sparrow falling - "Watch a sparrow falling..." -Pull Me Under
A bed -Wait for Sleep
A Moon -Under a Glass Moon
A Cold Metal Frame (Held by the girl) -Wait for Sleep
A sexy little girl in a skimpy nightgown -Kiddie Porn (a song that didn't make the album)
An invisible man Lurking in the shadows with a butterknife and fistful or iodized salt. -Some random image, not part of the album.
Then there's that red "thing" on the back of the FII cover. :P --KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:08:23 -0500 From: newcombr@netdot.com (Robert Newcomb) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bach & DT Message-ID: <19980604201351357.AAA158@newcombr.netdot.com>
Dan McCormack wrote:
>I understand he worked for the church but was looked down >apon because he kept writing this stuff that sounded almost >satanic:)
That is mostly true. What happened was the clergy wanted him to continue writing the same kind of music that had always been played in church. This did not sit well with Bach and he continued writing and playing his own thing. The clergy were enraged that their traditional/popular music was not being played or written so they put Bach under a psuedo house arrest thing. The King who liked Bach heard about this and ordered that Bach be set free.
Just think, Bach might not be as well loved today or remembered had he not given in to what was popular at the time. Look at all these pathetic bands that do everything "Big Daddy" ,aka eMpTyV, tells them to do. Will anyone remember any of these bands in 20 years? I truly doubt it.
Part of the reason I respect DT so much is that the music industry does not support progressive music yet DT continues with what they love.
I guess the whole moral of this is, do what is in your heart and you can't go wrong err........unless of course your Charles Manson or something :)
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: coupla dumb keys questions Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980604161006.21252B-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
subtlerage remarked: > as for the keyboards.... yeah. i own a Kurzweil PC88mx and a Korg > O1/Wfd. the Korg was simply the most kick ass thing i could find and > afford when i bought it 5 years ago. the Kurzweil was the most kick ass > sounding controller, and had the best piano sound/feel that i could find 2 > years ago. i'll never trade either one of them in. the sequencer in the > Korg, IMO, is the most idiot proof straight forward and easy sequencer to > use. and it's pretty powerful.
Okay, here's a dumb newbie question from somebody who's looking to get himself a pretty decent all-around keyboard soon. Well, a series of questions. I've already gotten some answers from KorgX3 and subtlerage (thanks, guys) but I need to know a few more:
Where do I start?
What's a controller? a rack mount? what's the difference between a Trinity rackmount and a plain old Trinity? (not that anything about the Trinity could be called "plain old", that is).
I want a single keyboard with versatility, a decent sequencer, good sounds, and some decent analog sounds (read: mid-80's synth sounds). What am I looking for? I'm confused. You high-tech keyboard people have lost me. :)
.Sig of the day: > -= norg =- > > ~the next Brak.
I think that's the best "the next...." one we've seen yet. Although I like Zorak better. :)
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Ratt -- "Ratt & Roll 81-91"
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:53:46 -0700 (MST) From: John Haveman <jhaveman@u.arizona.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DeGarmo sighting/ect Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980604134639.26850B-100000@f1n7.u.arizona.edu>
Jerry Cantrell is going to play a show in Tucson next tuesday. Chris DeGarmo will be part of the backup band, as will the drummer from AiC and someone else whom I forget.
I see Fish and H era Marillion as almost different bands, but I love them both. They just need/evoke different moods. _brave_ is a masterpiece, as is _Afraid of Sunlight_. But then again, I'd say the same about _Misplaced Childhood_ and _Clutching at Straws_. And the lyrics on _Fugazi_... I need to stop now.
Tori Amos is another amazing artist. My fav probably would be _Under The Pink_, although there isn't a dud in the set. She has lots of b-sides and album tracks, which I haven't heard most of, but the albums are all great. I think I'd wait a bit on _Boys for Pele_ though, it's great, and has some great songs, but I think it takes a bit more to get into.
DTC - When I get home, I'm going to listen to LitS to see if I see the Ming the Mercilous bit.
A "Mad dog shaven head bottle boy Freak" aka John Haveman Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever - Baron Munchausen/Terry Gilliam "You can't not be on a boat" - Guildenstern/Stoppard
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: coupla dumb keys questions Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980604165617.26901A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK, firstly. A controller traditionally is a keyboard with no sounds in it. However, some controllers come with basic sounds like a piano. A controller is used to drive rack mounted synths. More on that in a minute. Let me just say that any keyboard with a midi connection can be used as a controller, but some are better suited for that purpose than others. A rack mounted synth has the guts of a keyboard, but doesn't have the keys or sometimes sequencer. It is meant to be driven by a controller. You can control several racks with one controller. For what your are looking for, a controller is not what you want. First question, how much do you have to spend? This is a heavy factor in your purchase. The Korg Trinity fits what you want. The differences between the rack trinity and the korg trinity keyboard is that the trinity keyboard is the keyboard with the sequencer keys, all the sliders joysticks and such. It is a self contained unit. The rack is just a box with some front panel controls and the sounds of the trinity. You would need a keyboard controller to access those sounds. If you want a good all around keyboard, look into the Korg Trinity or the Yamah ex5. If your budget is not as great as these keyboards demand for purchase, try something like th eAlesis qs7, or the Korg N series. Ensoniq puts out some nice stuff too. You can also go for the Roland xp560. Basically, you need to go to your local music store and try shit for yourself and see what sounds good for you.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:00:05 -0500 From: "Johnson, Steve" <steve.johnson@mcd.com> To: "Dream Theater@ytsejam@ax.com@SMTP@McGate" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: sorry!! Message-ID: <c=US%a=ATTMAIL%p=McDonald's%l=1A65572AE1FBD111891B0060B01A815A@oakbrook005.mcd.com>
I saw that I accidently sent my band's summer schedule to the Jam. SORRY!!! (Though I got an EOJ!)
If you're in Chicago and dig acid jazz, c'mon out, anyway. LATER-
Steve
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:25:55 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Bach & DT Message-ID: <002601bd9010$29436100$bbc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
|That is mostly true. What happened was the clergy wanted him to continue
ahh, thanks, glad to know the correct story.
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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:32:53 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: giving the youth of today bad impressions Message-ID: <199806050032.RAA22870@gms.gmsnet.com>
> >>what a lovely message to send to the youth of today. as if they don't get >>enough of that from the radio. i thought queensryche was above that, i guess >>not...
I have the solution... we must eliminate the youth... QR has eliminated themselves already, so it doesn't matter.
>"that's like something I would play after taking a big hit from a bong..."
Could be a beer bong... or a lemonade bong... all you ever think about is drugs... :P
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:28:54 -0400 From: rpark@cyberhost.com (Ryan Park) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bass Message-ID: <Version.32.19980604192512.00ddd340@vest.space-dye.com>
Continuing the spirit of the keyboard thread...
I play piano/keyboards but I'm interested in buying a used bass guitar (and amp) over the next month or so. I'm looking to spend a very modest amount... maybe $300 or so. It looks like I'm able to get a decent used bass for about $200, and an amp for $100. But I don't really know much about what I'm looking for. What should I be looking for there? If I'm just a beginner, should I be very concerned with the manufacturer's rep? What else should I look for? If the strings or pick-ups are poor, it's fairly easy to replace them, right?
Also, will I be able to learn how to play on my own? I play piano, I can read music, and I know a bit about theory. But fingering on a guitar is a LOT different than on a piano, and I'm not sure I could ever figure out where to put my fingers (being in the right spot to play the NEXT note)! Do you think I could get by with an instructional book or two, until I develop a feel for it; or will I need more than that? Will tab help learning the basics of fingering?
I'm sure you all know far more about this than I do. Thanks for your help.
Ryan
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