YTSEJAM Digest 3958
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Sherinian is giving guitar/keyboard lessons, SENTENCED?, New S BACH?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
2) GC Machine Fish
by Bill Wrightson <bwrights@dnaent.com>
3) Re: GC Machine Fish
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
4) keyboards to ascension ;)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
5) oh, and on the subject of joysticks and leslie
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
6) Re: keyboards to ascension ;)
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
7) Re: oh, and on the subject of joysticks and leslie
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
8) future classics
by Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com>
9) Re: Out of Mind
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
10) Re: Keyboards Thread
by Theiban@aol.com
11) Re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC
by Theiban@aol.com
12) Re: Out of Mind
by Theiban@aol.com
13) Antal Dorati & Organ Music
by Uroborosss@aol.com
14) Tori Amos
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
15) Re: Tori Amos
by "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com>
16) RE: Space in your face!
by "Anderson,Brian D" <Brian_Anderson@wb.xerox.com>
17) Yanni
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
18) Re: Keyboards Thread
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
19) MP3s
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
20) If you aren't sick yet (keys)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Sherinian is giving guitar/keyboard lessons, SENTENCED?, New S BACH?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980603162056.21804A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Do you know where he is giving these lessons? If it is close enough to me,
and his rates aren't gut wrenching, ... I could use the help.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:28:42 -0500 From: Bill Wrightson <bwrights@dnaent.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: GC Machine Fish Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980603202842.008f8400@lotus.dnaent.com>
I have this CD which I will sell for $5 to anyone who wants it. I have only listened to it once. I am also willing to sell Fates Warning No Exit and Enchant Blueprint of the World for the same price. I'll even sell all 3 for $10 just to get rid of them!
-Bill Wrightson
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:52:49 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: GC Machine Fish Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980603135248.00773994@lainet.com>
At 01:41 PM 6/3/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I have this CD which I will sell for $5 to anyone who wants it. I have only >listened to it once. I am also willing to sell Fates Warning No Exit and >Enchant Blueprint of the World for the same price. I'll even sell all 3 for >$10 just to get rid of them! > >-Bill Wrightson
If you still have them, I'm intrested.
i need to live life like some people never will so find me kindness find me beauty find me truth when temptation brings me to my knees and I lay here drained of strength show me kindness show me beauty show me truth
- dream theater, learning to live
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:51:30 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: keyboards to ascension ;) Message-ID: <199806032053.NAA17660@cats.ucsc.edu>
Damon Sed:
>I hate joysticks for organ sounds since you can't keep the leslie >simulation going for two handed chords if you have to hold the joystick >up. Yeah, you can reassign that, but still. I wish I had both.=20
Then you'll love the A-90 or A-70 master controllers from Roland. They do have both. :)
>And the vk7 sounds OK, >but don't run it through your keyboard amp and expect a hammond b3.=20
No, but it's closer to a Hammond than anything except a Hammond. I.e. better than any other emulation. You'll pay, too, $2000 for the VK-7. Pricey, but worth it, IMO, if you want that sound. And, since it has buttons for leslie on/off and fast/slow, you won't have to worry about joysticks or wheels. :)
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:59:11 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: oh, and on the subject of joysticks and leslie Message-ID: <199806032101.OAA19261@cats.ucsc.edu>
I forgot something: The Trinity (or at least the TR-Rack) usually has as its default for the leslie emulator, to have the joystick up toggle the leslie speed. So, press up once, it's fast. Press up again, it's slow. So you don't have to keep pressing the joystick to get the leslie. THat works really well, and the Trinity Leslie emulator is not bad. It's actually an effect you can apply, rather than being sampled into the sound.
This means: 1) you can add leslie to anything, like piano, gutar, etc. 2) you don't have that really annoying samplict artifact where the leslie speeds up the higher the note you play, and your leslie warbles are all out of sync when you play multiple notes. That's really bad to listen to once you've heard a better emulation.
~Chris
__../\..__ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- .\_||_/.. | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | ./__||__\. | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears"=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 | //.\ |..\\ ----+ ...\|.... http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/=20
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: keyboards to ascension ;) Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980603170027.7212D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
What about that hammond xb3 or whatever it was that derek used up until recently? I would think hammond does b3 better than anybody else, wouldn't you? No matter what organ simulator you buy, try to get a leslie cabinet. Otherwise, you cheapen the sound. In my new yamaha ex5, the organ sounds has balls and everything. The leslie simulation is OK, and you can overdrive the sound for that distorted organ grime, but without a leslie, it just lacks something. By the way, the midi controller is great and all, but I don't need one. The ex5 would make an outstanding controller, the only exception being the lack of midi ports. It has the standard in out and thru. But it has enough controllers on board to choke Keith Emerson with. :)
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: oh, and on the subject of joysticks and leslie Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980603171001.18749A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Yes, the trinity does do the leslie thing nice with the joystick. The keyboard Ihave played with, especially the high end workstations, all have leslie effects. The xp50 and series has it. The Ensoniq keyboards have it. The yamaha has it. It is usually low end keyboards that blow at leslie effects.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack <e_schnack@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: future classics Message-ID: <19980603211513.12883.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>
world, who do > you think people will be considering the classics in another 200 years? > Anyone from our time period you could think of?
Well it's hard to say, since in 200 years music will probably seen in a very different way, and people will look back and consider geniuses those who seemed to be ahead of their time...and chances are most of the people who are ahead of their time are also virtually ignored in their time:)
I definitely think Zappa's in there...I also think Glenn Branca is a genius of our time, even though virtually noone knows of his existence.
Then there's the possibility that rock will become 'art music', like jazz did. In that case, I'm sure guys like Hendrix will be considered classics.
Ern
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Out of Mind Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980603172256.62056A-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
Hey all-- Just a correction, Out of Mind is not the Queensryche song that Chris smoked a lot of pot to write. That was Disconnected. Actually, just the solo to Disconnected. I have the article in some guitar rag.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Iron Maiden--Somewhere In Time ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "We say revolution... ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist" -Mustaine ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:34:29 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Keyboards Thread Message-ID: <5d0fc092.3575c167@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 14:08:40 EDT, you write:
<< Rocky. I thought the qs7 was semiweighted. And as far as the qs7 drums, I think they sound too machinish. I guess I am looking for real drums no matter what, but my ex5, and even the trinity sound more real to me than the qs7. AS for the Korg n364, I have a hard time believing that you get real synth sounds from it. I don't know, I guess I am being picky. The alesis acoustic sounds, minus its piano, don't do anything for me. The piano in the alesis is great. Both keyboards organs are rough for me. I don't know. I fyou like it and it works for you, then great. I guess I am pickier in this area. >>
well, the qs7's built in drum sounds are a little machinish, but i made my own kit, tuned the drums how i wanted them, and messed around with them a lot, and they sound awesome. i have played a trinity, and the N364 doesnt come close to the trinity's synth sounds, but it is WAY better than my qs7's. what trinity do you have? and how much did you pay for it? i was thinking about getting one but i settled for the n364 instead. i hear the z1 is awesome too, you know how much it goes for off hand?
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:36:44 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Steve Hogarth - NDTC Message-ID: <73f2b21a.3575c1ed@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 16:16:29 EDT, you write:
<< I wish I didn't feel this way, but Steve Hogarth is absolutely the worst singer I have ever heard. I'd rather listen to nails scratching a chalkboard than him "singing". All you who like his singing, more power to ya. >>
Fish sounds more like that to me. but i do like Fish, and i love hogarth, he does always sound like he has a head cold though.
flames redirected to the recycling bin.
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:41:31 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Out of Mind Message-ID: <e672e615.3575c30c@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-03 17:38:32 EDT, you write:
<< Hey all-- Just a correction, Out of Mind is not the Queensryche song that Chris smoked a lot of pot to write. That was Disconnected. Actually, just the solo to Disconnected. I have the article in some guitar rag. >>
what a lovely message to send to the youth of today. as if they don't get enough of that from the radio. i thought queensryche was above that, i guess not...
Rocky
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:47:17 EDT From: Uroborosss@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Antal Dorati & Organ Music Message-ID: <d487aa86.3575c466@aol.com>
> From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net> > Subject: Hungarian Rhapsodies, "mad scientist" music? > > Dorati does a pretty good job with the London Symphony Orchestra, and > Dutoit with the Montreal Symphony Orchestra rivals the Dorati version.
Antal Dorati does a pretty good job with everything. My particular favorite featuring him at the helm is Ottorino Respighi's "Ancient Dances & Airs For Lute." If you see his name listed in the credits as a head honcho, it's probably good stuff. Christopher Hogwood is on the same level of excellence (Christopher Hogwood & The Academy of Ancient Music). > > Also, I was always wondering who composed that music that you would typically > > here played during "mad scientist scenes" or "Frankenstein scenes" in movies. > > Does anyone know who i am taling about?? It is a piece played on a pipe > > organ. > > I can almost guarantee that the piece you're thinking of is J.S. Bach's > "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor". One of the more widely-recognized pieces of > classical music ever (with good reason).
This piece was used for "Phantom of the Opera," and a few others, but eerie organ music was once a very popular music form used in horror movies. I'm sure dozens of different pieces were written during that period of black and white silent films, and stuck around when voices entered the movies. And of course classical pieces (Tocatta) were used as well. For a neat example of how this type of organ sound was used in popular music, check out "Tell Her No" by The Zombies. You might be able to find this song on a jukebox in a 50s diner. At least, that's what the numbers said it was when I looked into the machine to see what exactly I was hearing. It'd be a damn shame if the digits were screwed up...
Ta, Bafu Vai
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:59:45 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tori Amos Message-ID: <19980603215945.15724.qmail@hotmail.com>
After reading a lot about Tori Amos in the jam, I decided it's time to get some of her stuff. I just heard her song from the Great Expectations soundtrack and I liked it VERY much... Any recommendations out there?
Ernesto "The Next... (whoever kicks ass at any instrument)"
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:17:10 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" <jem@lainet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980603151709.007775c8@lainet.com>
At 03:18 PM 6/3/98 -0700, you wrote: > >After reading a lot about Tori Amos in the jam, I decided it's time to >get some of her stuff. I just heard her song from the Great Expectations >soundtrack and I liked it VERY much... >Any recommendations out there? > >Ernesto
My favorite is Under The Pink. It has the kick-ass song 'Cornflake Girl' =) A very kick ass CD overall. Little Earthquakes is a really bitchen one which has 'Silent All These Years'. Those are her two big radio songs, plus what's playing off the current release. Check 'em all out. =)
-sp00L
i need to live life like some people never will so find me kindness find me beauty find me truth when temptation brings me to my knees and I lay here drained of strength show me kindness show me beauty show me truth
- dream theater, learning to live
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:11:02 PDT From: "Anderson,Brian D" <Brian_Anderson@wb.xerox.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Space in your face! Message-ID: <FEA675358124657CFEA675358124657C#064#X-WB-0128-MS2.XEROX@SMF>
Hello all,
> How many of you out there have had a good listen to the Space in your > face album by the Galactic Cowboys.... > > Thought's anyone???
It's funny you should mention that. I just brought that cd to work with me yesterday. It's the first time I've listened to it in a couple years. I didn't know who the Galactic Cowboys were until I saw DT back in '93. All I remember is some guy coming up on stage during one of their songs with a big sombrero, playing the acoustic guitar and singin' and having fun. They were/are a pretty "fun" band . . . always having a good time up on stage. Oh, and who can forget them coming up on stage with DT to sing the background parts of TTT. But Space in your face is the one album of theirs that I like the best. Actually, I like them all . . . I'm not too picky when it comes to music. And I'm sure others have many thoughts. Don't we have the guy who runs their website on this list. I forgot your name . . . sorry.
-Brian Anderson
p.s. Galactic Cowboys is the reason I met my best friend back at school when I was a freshman. He was in my dorm room hangin' out, and we got talking to music, suddenly GC came up and we couldn't believe each other had heard of them. Needless to say, we became instant friends, and proceeded to room together for the rest of our colleger careers, and go to many shows . . . including DT . . . together. (I'm talking about Ted, for those who know . . . Babs, Brian Wherry . . . although they probably figured that out already.)
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:16:43 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yanni Message-ID: <003001bd8f4e$19d2ac20$2e0d84d0@korgx3>
Just a reminder...
Two Yanni songs are up at: http://www.safelink.net/washburn
Get 'em while they last, since I'm taking them down tomorrow. I don't wanna get billed for going 8MB over my limit. :) I'll probably put two new ones up tomorrow or Friday night.
Take care! --KorgX3
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Keyboards Thread Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980603202023.13911D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I don't have a trinity but I have played on it enough to know a lot about it. The z1 I don't know the price of. The trinity goes for 2400 with the plus option, which you will want for synth leads.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:05:46 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MP3s Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980603210546.0077f6d8@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Two MP3-related questions:
(1) Are there good-quality MP3s of "Where Are You Now?" and/or "Raise The Knife" (w/ vox) floating around out there? All I've been able to find are Real-Audio files, which I'm not a big fan of. If someone would send me either the files (whee!) or the URL of a site where I could find 'em, I'd be much obliged.
(2) To those among us who burn CDs from MP3s (or not from MP3s even)...what are some good (cheap/free) programs that'd allow one to lay two successive tracks without a 2-second gap between? Private E-mail is probably best.
Domo arigato.
Brian "Mr. Roboto" Henderson
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:41:09 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: If you aren't sick yet (keys) Message-ID: <199806040143.SAA01467@cats.ucsc.edu>
So I was down at the local music shop, and I took a look at the new Yamaha stuff. They only had the EX-7 there, so it was nothing special. They'll have the EX-5R hooked up soon, and I'll have to take a look at that. Picked up a brochure, and I may be sold on it. :) Sampling, physical modeling, analog style synthesis and some new funky DSP-based synthesis all in one box. Sounds pretty cool.
So I'm thinking of starting a new thread among our keyboard-playin' members. What's your dream setup? I mean if you could get anything, but you actually had to play each piece of gear (i.e. no "one of everything") what would you get?
Part of the reason I'm curious is that I'm getting a new car, and the $10,000 I'm getting for my old one is prolly all going to keyboard gear, so I might as well know what's out there. :)
Here's my ultimate list:
On keyboard stand #1: Master controllers Roland A-90EX -- 88 key, piano style controller with the works. Roland A-70 -- 76 key, non-weighted version of the above.
On keyboard Stand #2: Specialty boards * Roland JP-8000 -- Great for analog leads and playing with sound. Don't believe them when they tell you it's just for techno. Want those fat 80's Rush synth leads and bases? Here they are. Roland VK-7 -- For when the need for a Hammond can't be met by anything= else.
In the Rack: * Korg TR-Rack -- rackmount Trinity. nuff said. Roland JV-2080 -- rackmount of the JV series sounds. Yamaha EX5R -- just talked about it.
* means I have it already.
Hey guitarists and other musician folks: join in. What's your dream gear? :) Skads, slap me and I'll shut up.
~Chris
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