YTSEJAM Digest 3964
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Berlioz and opium
by erodger@fore.com
2) Oh Yeah?
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) The FAQ...
by Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
4) Re: Oh Yeah?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
5) Rush page
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
6) board suggestions
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) some stuff for sale
by erodger@fore.com
8) my mom
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
9) $10 discount at CDnow
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Celtic Zippers
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Portnoy Interview
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) RE: Raging newbies
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) NEW DREAM THEATER AND SAVATAGE BOOT CD's
by "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
14) ** SPOILERS ** Savatage in Danbury, CT
by MTeiper@aol.com
15) ** SPOILERS ** Savatage in Danbury, CT... Part 2
by MTeiper@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:31:41 -0400
From: erodger@fore.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Berlioz and opium
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980605123141.00f49ca0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
At 10:03 PM 6/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>From: erodger@fore.com
>
>>Finally someone mentions Berlioz. The Fantastic Symphony is a must for
>>anyone enjoying the darker side of classical, especially movement 5. This
>>piece was written under the influence of opium, and I think it's pretty
>>obvious.
>>
>>KAI
>
>Berlioz did NOT write his Symphonie Fantastique on opium. He wrote the
>fourth movement imagining that the hero of his symphony poisened himself on
>opium. The fourth movement are the horrible nightmares of the symphonies'
>hero. And incidentally, Berlioz did consider the hero of the Symphonie
>Fantastique to be himself, but Berlioz did not write the symphony under the
>influence of opium.
>
>For that matter, the second movement of the symphony revolves around
>Berlioz taking Henriette, the woman he was in love with in real life, to a
>ball. But in real life, they never were at a ball/dance together, so that
>was imagined as well.
>
>It is a wonderful piece, I just wanted to clarify Kai's mistake. Dont want
>people thinking Berlioz is a drug addict : )
>
>Jon
>
>
I've read half a dozen texts that contradict what you are stating. They
are quick to point out that Hector wasn't an addict, but that at least part
of this piece was penned while under the influence. Also, his memoirs
state that the symphony is not about himself and Henriette, however the
link is hard to dismiss.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:36:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oh Yeah?
Message-ID: <199806051636.LAA02678@enteract.com>
One more thing about buying an electric stringed instrument, If you buy a
Squire Strat, or a Hondo Bass, please, do not sink hundreds on Duncans or
Active pickups, a new bridge, etc. It will always be a Hondo or a
Squire... you're going to need to upgrade the INSTRUMENT first. :) If
your first bass is mediocre, it's probably the whole bass that's
mediocre... a pickup switch may do jack.
> From: Theiban@aol.com
> dude, i have a Korg N364 that comes with a sequencer and i got it for $1100.
> it has great sound (at least i think so) it supposedly the upgrade from the
> korg x3 or something.
What about rackmounts with no built in sequencers, and just great
sounds (I can use my PC as a sequencer... this is not for live playing.
I'd get a KEYBOARDIST for live playing.)
> From: Uroborosss@aol.com
You make-a me CLAZY riff the tangy fravor of CHEDDAHHHHH!
> Virtuoso, is that someone who can play many different styles of music? One who
> can play many many different techniques on a single instrument so that their
> style fits no style? One who can play many different instruments and play them
> all well? I would replace the term "virtuoso" in reference to the Romantic era
> with "the age of the single-instrument specialist."
I have never seen someone referred to as a "music virtuoso." The
term is generally applied to prowess on an instrument. "The
single-instrument specialist" could be a violin virtuoso, a piano
virtuoso, etc. So I make nice beeg group to cast all into. You go now.
> > all kinds of shred and psychotic music was created in this age.
>
> Shred and psychotic music... Let's go Bach to the Baroque period my friend. ;)
Back is one. In the Romantic era there were MANY. :) Bach is
more musical to my ears than Liszt, in that I could see applying his music
to the guitar, or any instrument, but I will admit that I am so stunned by
the complexity and the composition of Liszt's piano work that I'm more
entertained by it than I am by Bach these days. Chopin that, tough guy!
> > The melodic ideas are usually very digestable... I think the really bizarre
> > compositions and truly strange musical ideas didn't come about until the
> > 20th century
>
> Kitaro. The Go-Gos. Nine Miles. Yngwie Malmsteen. Beefquad X.
Those PROBABLY... and this is just a guess here... they PROBABLY
don't fit into the same category as Webern, Ives, Copeland, etc. Neither
does Yanni, though. At least, I'm GUESSING.
- Meathead.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:54:20 -0500
From: Josh.Brand@stpaul.com
To: Liquid Ytse Experiment <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The FAQ...
Message-ID: <8625661A.005C384B.00@astplh99.stpaul.com>
As long as we are rambling about newbies and the FAQ, I decided to
grab a new copy of the FAQ 'cause I haven't read it since it was updated.
(I know, boo hiss...) Anyway, I dug out my first doc to see how to grab the
FAQ through the mail, and when I tried I got an error message from the
listproc.
So, what's the deal? I know I didn't mis-spell anything; I still have
the draft on file. Has anyone else had a problem w/ this? Or is it just me?
I would go to the web-site, but in my position here at the Companies I
don't need to access any "mission critical" documents on the 'net, so no
www for me. Any help or insight into this matter is appreciated. Jam on...
Odelay,
Josh
-- In the discman: Rush: The Age of Wonders --
(I know I'm asking for flames from Ptacek for admitting that :) )
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:58:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Oh Yeah?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980605125811.28042K-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Racks with great sounds? How much you want to spend try the jv2080 or the
jv1080 from roland. Also, look at the qsr from alesis, the k2500r from
kurzweil and the korg trinity rack. The yamaha ex5r may be sweet for you,
too.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:50:35 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush page Message-ID: <01bd90aa$7187b0c0$d128c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
Hello ye jammers,
I have a Rush page that I've created, and I figured some DT fans would want to see it. It's, quite simply, the best web page in existance. It includes lyrics, band information, tabs, multimedia, a library, the meaning of life, the cure for cancer, and hundreds of adoring beautiful women at my command...
Here's what prominent critics have said:
"I believe I now have a reason for my existance! Thank you Alex!" -Geddy Lee
"Screw Freewill! Alex is my god!" -Neil Peart
"I may be the best looking Rushian, but Alex <Smith> is much more handsome than I could ever be!" -Alex Lifeson
"Wow, Alex's webpage makes my band look like cheesecake! Hey, Ginger, would you, uh, play 'Two of a Perfect Pair' for me?" -Robert Fripp
and many more!
Uh wait, never mind.
Really, I've spent a lot of work on it, so please check it out and tell me what you think:
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
Thanks! Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives." -Dream Theater ------------------------------------- "So many things I think about When I look far away Things I know - Things I wonder Things I'd like to say The more we think we know about The greater the unknown We suspend our disbelief And we are not alone." -Rush ------------------------------------- "I will wear your white feather I will carry your white flag I will swear I have no nation But I'm proud to own my heart." -Marillion (Fish)
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:37:38 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: board suggestions Message-ID: <199806051839.LAA19457@cats.ucsc.edu>
I can't really give advice on sequencers on a keyboard, since I don't use em and hopefully never will have to. A computer-based sequencer has about a billion times more flexibility, somply from the point of view of having a more graphical interface. The only 2 reasons to have a sequencer on the keyboard are: 1 -- Price: If you don't own a computer and can't afford a sequencer, just a keyboard. Justifiable, but you'll have to really work to get much music out of it, or 2 -- you want to trigger a sequence live, and don't want to lug a computer around. Good reason, but who wants to trigger sequenes live? What are you, Full on the Mouth? :)
My recommendation: If you have a PC or a Mac, get a sequencer for that instead of on the keyboard. At least, given what hell I put sequencers through, it would take me ten times as long to get a song out on a keyboard-based seq than with e a computer-based one.
As far as rack modules go, it really depends on what you want. If you want General MIDI, Roland makes a few good ones, and I happen to like their GS sound set. Much better than creative, at least. If you want to add some specifics to your setup, there's a bunch to choose from. Alesis makes their Nano line (nanosynth, nanobass, nanopiano) -- they have pretty good sound and are under $400 each, I think. Roland has their line of JV expansion boards in racks. It includes Bass & Drum, Strings, Vintage Synth. Those run about $400 to $500 each. If you're really interested in the Vintage Synth, I can get you a good deal on one since I have one that I don't really use anymore. Since getitng the JP-8000 for leads and pads, and with the TR-Rack having a better Leslie sim than the (pre-sampled) one on the Vintage board, I don't need its sounds any more. That and if I get the VK-7 I won't need anything for Hammond organs any more.
Like the advice for buying guitars and such, the best thing to do is to go down to a store, see what they have in stock and play on it. Ask a friendly sales droid to show you what they have and how much it costs. Good Luck.
~Chris The next Charles Manson. ;)
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:52:07 -0400 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: some stuff for sale Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980605145207.00f714c0@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
Need to raise a little cash to pay for my wedding, so I'm hocking some stuff:
Lords of Sound 2 CD original boot - $50 Consciously Unreal 2 CD original boot - $40 Lie radio promo single - Lie edit only, no TLF - $5 Caught in a Web single - album version and edit - $5
**Special on CDr copies:
If you place a $60 (or more) order, postmarked between 6/5 - 6/9, you will receive:
FREE SHIPPING FREE CDr of the "Home Sweet Home" bootleg.
For those of you who still need DoE, LitS, AKiaD, MC, Denver, Uncovered, CiA, this is your chance. Act quickly.
Email me if you need a list of available CDr boots.
KAI
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:13:50 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my mom Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980605121350.008bb9f0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
>><sigh> Read the faqing fuck. > >Ah, that well may be a good idea, but a tad misleading. Why? Because it's >not in the FAQ. >It annoys me somewhat when a newbie posts a common question and people get >pissed off and tell them to read the FAQ, when the answer isn't even in there.
Yeah, but come on. Awake has been out four years now? When Awake came out, we disected the shit out of that album. We do with every release. He brought up one of the most obvious aspects of that album. It would have been the same if he had said "Hey, did everyone know that Kevin quit right after recording Awake?" It just isnt very useful, and it adds nothing to anything. Neither does this post, but thats not the point ; )
If it isnt in the FAQ, it should be. Pat G (Im pretty sure he is the moderator now, maybe i should check the FAQ) seriously needs to update that thing. And this should go in it. But as far as I can tell, the faq on UACM still says that D-man is the moderator...That needs to be changed.
>If I did overlook it, I sincerely apologise for any wrongdoings I >have committed and any inconvenience I may have caused you and your family.
Yeah, man, you inconvinienced me and my family. My mom is pissed. She is gonna hunt you down and break your kneecaps now. You better be scared. And grandma is following her to give you the allmighty cheek-pinch-of-death. How dare you confront me!!!!!
:)
Jon
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:49:31 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: $10 discount at CDnow Message-ID: <01BD90CB.7EFCCEE0@150.rotterdam2.gironet.nl>
Yesterday, I wrote :
> Not only will YOU get a $10 discount, they'll give ME 5 % in > CDnow credit over the amount of money you spend (*including* > that $10). Cool deal all around. :-)
Make that 7 % (they changed it from 5 to *7* recently!). All the more reason to join their Cosmic Credit Program. :)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 06-03-1998
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:58:04 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Celtic Zippers Message-ID: <003401bd90bc$4f558ce0$46f086cc@chuckrei>
>> but there *is* at least one band out there that plays progressive >> Celtic music. > >Who's that? I'd really like to know, because I really like Celtic music >(or what little I've heard of it), and if progressive Celtic music >exists, I really have to hear it.
I'm not sure how progressive they are, but Tempest (on Magna Carta) is supposed to be a prog/celtic folk band. Another Celtic band I saw on the net it "The Paperboys." They have samples at http://www.paperboys.com/ They sound more of a Celtic Crash Test Dummies band, but they it's pretty cool.
An' if you like Celtic stuff, go get David Arkenstone's "Celtic Book of Days" album. I think it's beats Enya by a long shot, but that's just me. =) Enya's still pretty cool.
>Like the advice for buying guitars and such, the best thing to do is to go >down to a store, see what they have in stock and play on it. Ask a >friendly sales droid to show you what they have and how much it costs. >Good Luck.
Ack. I recommend a person looking for a new instrument avoid the droids as much as possible. They will do whatever possible to try and get you to by their crap that should not even be on the shelves it sucks so bad. That's why they always plug you into the twead suitcases when you try out JPM's and stuff. They know you're not going to buy the guitar, but they have some terrible hope that some absolute idiot will actually want the twead amp. :P And be very careful. I've tried out some basses where the neck was so terribly bowed it was actually unplayable (It was a Gibson I believe) and they were still selling it for $500. :\ As far as beginner basses, I recommend Washburn or Ibanez (SDGR, SoundGear, whatever you wanna call 'em).
"Hi, can i help you find something?" ~KorgX3 unzips his pants.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:01:39 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Portnoy Interview Message-ID: <199806052001.NAA01426@gms.gmsnet.com>
Hey peeps,
Here's a Portnoy interview about LTE and DT with my friend Allison at:
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:10:20 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Raging newbies Message-ID: <199806052010.NAA01539@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., "Suplizio, Jim" said: > > > You know what really cracks me up? A newbie posts > something and suddenly gets 50 people ripping him/her > a new ass. EVERYONE here was a newbie and sure > most of us read the FAQ first. But sometimes they get > turned on to this list by a friend and only save the original > "You are on..." message so they know how to get off, not > realizing that there is pertinant info in it. So cut them some > slack and maybe mail them a nice letter offline. Today's > newbie might be one of the better people on the list > tomorrow.
A newbie that survives the flamage can only be a better newbie...
BTW, I was NEVER a newbie... but that's just me...
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:27:23 +0200 From: "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NEW DREAM THEATER AND SAVATAGE BOOT CD's Message-ID: <000001bd90c8$bb227b20$dc669ec2@default>
Hello, OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS is proud to present it's first two regular releases: Savatage "The Age of Discovery" and Dream Theater "Static Progress". Dream Theater "Static Progress" (OAN CDR03) is a 150 copies limited edition double CD-R set recorded during "Touring into Infinity World Tour 97/98" in Bourges, France on April 17, 1998. SAVATAGE "THE AGE OF DISCOVERY" A double CDR set recorded live at La Locomotive, Paris, France on November 12, 1997 during The Wake of Magellan European Tour. Please e-mail me for more details at : provibe@club-internet.fr Volodya of OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:48:40 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ** SPOILERS ** Savatage in Danbury, CT Message-ID: <44bf8f0.357867ba@aol.com>
Howdy Howdy -
It's a damn good thing that I'm typing this, cuz I sure as hell can't speak right now. :-) Last night, I made the 2 hour road trip to Danbury, CT to see the mighty Savatage at Tuxedo Junction. Avert your eyes, if you must, for a review follows...
*** SPOILERS ***
Well, the concert basically kicked my ass into next Tuesday! For those who were there this past October for their pre-European tour gig, the set list was similar, but they threw in some great different trax to keep it interesting. Here's my best shot at a set list (from what I can remember):
The Ocean / Welcome Chance Jesus Saves Turns To Me Morning Sun Handful Of Rain The Storm (Al Pitrelli ripping shit up!) This Is the Time Blackjack Guillotine The Hourglass Dead Winter Dead Labyrinths Edge Of Thorns Temptation Revelation (Chris Caffrey kicking MAJOR ass on this one!) When the Crowds Are Gone (Jon singing!) Belive (Jon Singing again!) Gutter Ballet (Jon and Zack trading vox)
ENCORE #1: Paragons Of Innocence (Jon singing) Sirens (HELL YEAH!)
ENCORE #2: Hall Of the Mountain King
Gawd, I hope I didn't forget any tracks. I think that's it, though. The beginning and end of the show are very vivid in my head, but the exact order of the tunes in the middle is a bit blurry. :-) The crowd was rather large, I thought, and VERY loud. Aside from some technical and instrumental malfunctions (Christ, Al's guitar cut out in the middle of the Storm, of all songs!), last night's show blew away last October's. They cut out "I Am" and "Anymore", from last time, but they added "Crowds", "Storm", "Sirens", "Labyrinths", and "Paragons". It was a killer gig, indeed. Opening for the band last night was an impressive local prog rock/metal band called "Crucible". They were pretty cool, and I picked up their CD there for $10. I will have to give it a good listen. Then, the 2nd band on was completely out of place. I think it was called "Anthrophobia" or some shit like that, and they sounded like a Korn ripoff! What's worse, they are touring with the Tage and opening at all their shows on this tour! Sounds like a label-match to me...
Anyway, that's about it. If you are thinking about checking out the Tage this time 'round, do yourself a favor and go. It was awesome!
Laterz..... Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:52:26 EDT From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ** SPOILERS ** Savatage in Danbury, CT... Part 2 Message-ID: <bd7902dc.3578689b@aol.com>
Hey...
My bad, folx. I forgot that the 'Tage also played "The Wake Of Magellan" too. Damn, I can see that this is gonna be like amnesia here.... little by little, I'm gonna remember more and more about the gig. :-)
Laterz again..... Matt T.
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