YTSEJAM Digest 3967
Today's Topics:
1) Adam's stuff
by Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
2) Scalloped fretboards
by Calvin6S@aol.com
3) More on 420
by AL <al@isd.net>
4) Re: Dream World
by Roger Kowalski <roger@rdz.stjohns.edu>
5) re: The best post of the year!! (IMHO)
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
6) I've had about enough...
by "Andrew" <thomas.o.forcier*no-spam*@worldnet.att.net>
7) 420
by rpark@cyberhost.com (Ryan Park)
8) knac lives?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
9) root@mtv.com
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
10) Offer to pick up the Jap HY
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
11) Kansas' new release
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
12) the price of re-sold boots
by Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu>
13) Into The Great Unknown
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
14) **SPOILERS** Savatage
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
15) I&W tour boots.
by lerxst@pop.erols.com
16) I still hate women
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
17) Re: I still hate women
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
18) FII
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 01:57:05 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Adam's stuff
Message-ID: <357A55E1.53FF@ANTISPAMgoodnet.com>
Yes, Adam's backed-up order (which I am converting to a refund ONLY
because of extenuating circumstances, so don't ask) took that long. No,
there's no excuse for it. Yes, I should have had it done by now. It's
the exception and not the rule, however.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - remove ANTISPAM in my address to reply - Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ - If it's nae Scottish, it's CRAP!------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:43:52 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Scalloped fretboards Message-ID: <6860d8f4.357a60d9@aol.com>
In response to : > wire through 2 poles. Very interesting. I think that it would be > ideal for 8 finger stuff, because it's a really "easy" feeling on the > fingers... like you barely need to touch the strings to get the sound > you want.
Ernesto Schnack stated: > Now I've never played on scalloped frets, but after reading an > interview with Malmsteem and McLaughlin, i carefuly analyzed my > playing and realized that my fingers and the strings dont touch the > wood (the flesh of the fingers does a bit). With this in mind I > realized how little pressure i had to apply. So I still dont see what > the purpose of scalloped frets is, because you can get the same > results with a little careful analyzing...unless of course you want to > do those insane bends McLaughlin does on Shakti. >>
I agree with Ernesto that a key to achieve a decent tone and speed on the guitar that you must analyze how hard you fret the notes. It really takes VERY LITTLE pressure to produce a note. However, legato usually requires more pressure than picked notes with the fret hand because your fret hand is also creating the vibration to create the tone (atleast for hammer-ons). I also apply more pressure with my picking hand (while it frets for 8 finger technique) because you typically "fret" higher up on the neck with the "pick" hand (meaning less overall string length and a tighter string). So I can see scalloped frets giving the advantage Chris P (I believe he is the original poster of this idea). But what it really comes down to is guitar players use the scalloped (usually higher) frets for improved bending. There is no denying that scalloped frets do serve their original purpose. I think Chris P. just expanded the possibilities and seems to have a legitimate point.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 06:23:47 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More on 420 Message-ID: <357A7843.EDEBFD3B@isd.net>
4/20 is ALSO Mike's birthday. I don't think the "420" number on the Pro Mark sticks was just a coincidence..... -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 08:54:30 -0400 From: Roger Kowalski <roger@rdz.stjohns.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dream World Message-ID: <357A8D85.BAFB078F@rdz.stjohns.edu>
> If only I could remember the URL....?
It's definitely not http://www.dreamworld.com - unless the band does sexual acts while performing. :-]
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 08:33:47 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: The best post of the year!! (IMHO) Message-ID: <199806071333.GAA24855@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>You guys should just send eMpTyV 10,000 copies of this whole post!!
1/10k done. and just to piss `em off, i've also sent it to root@mtv.com. *grin*
yzzy
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:03:05 -0400 From: "Andrew" <thomas.o.forcier*no-spam*@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I've had about enough... Message-ID: <19980607135708.KNTG26125@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello, I have been posting a message of late that deals with my desire to unload bootlegs at a fixed price. Though I've been steadily selling them, I've come to notice that this is not considered a service to fans any more. They would rather tell you how to find the CDs at other sources. Fine, caveat emptor. But keep this in mind. There were DT fans four and five years ago who spent good chunks of money to buy discs they were assured, with good reason, would be collectible. After all, if a distrubutor says only 150 will be made, and there are thousands of DT fans, then they ought to be collectible, right? WRONG. These "distributors" two years down the road realize that now that their operation is a BUSINESS and not a service to fans begin to reproduce those CDs and allow others to do so as well. At first, it was just the impossible to come by ones like Subconscious. Even then, you could still find an original that would sell for $100 or more by auction. But now that's not the case. Now the bootlegs that I bought for $25 and should be able to sell at least at those costs (plus shipping), are difficult to sell to fans. Why? Because businessmen, claiming to be fans, are knocking the discs off on their burners. Make no mistake: if his reason is to make an income off the production and distribution of CDs, he's a BUSINESSMAN, whether he's in college or selling "environmental products" full time. I am a collector. I had nothing to do with making these discs. I was a DT fan who wanted to hear all of their music and was willing to pay a premium to do so. Now it seems the fans that were there from the beginning are getting screwed for paying that premium. I even paid $25 at the start of the PT and TDoW pressing only to learn that fans who jumped on the reservation list late only had to pay $20. So much for being the early bird... One fan came to me to buy discs, then said "hey KTS is back in business, I'll try them". Go try them. They're great, and I mean that in all sincerity. What they do is make bootlegs, sell them and never pretend to be anything else. I paid good money for two KTS boots and I recommend anyone else do the same. KTS is a business. These other guys, to me they've all just become charlatans. And for those who would reply, "aw, he's just pissed cuz he can't make money off his discs", that's far from the case and you've missed the point. I bought "collectible" discs at fair prices and find the value now is undercut by the same person who sold them with assured collectibility. I'm trying to resell them AT COST and find my posts surrounded with "check out this site" posts. If I don't sell the CDs, fine. I can always listen to them. But I'd rather fail to sell them because people don't want them, not because fans are out there to make a buck off them. And the worst part? It used to be a challenge to find a good boot, and a joyous event to purchase one or just TRADE to get one. Now the "fans" don't trade tapes, they burn CDs... You'll never know what this music meant to the generation of fans before you.
Stodge -- Remove *no-spam* from address to reply.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:51:53 -0400 From: rpark@cyberhost.com (Ryan Park) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 420 Message-ID: <19980607155434906.AAA78@ryan-park>
Dream Theater has 4 musicians and a vocalist. Mike's a musician, hence the "4". Two previous members of Dream Theater have left the band. That's the "2". If everyone leaves the band, no one will be left. They will have "0" members.
or...
Dream Theater has 4 full-length albums. Dream Theater has 2 EPs. Dream Theater has 0 record company support <g>.
The only way we'll know the actual reason is for Portnoy420 to tell us directly. The birthday thing, the Promark thing, and even the pot thing, all sound pretty cool. Interesting coincidences.
So, is there any significance to 620? (My birthday)
Ryan
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: knac lives? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980607120416.27593D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I read in Rolling stone that knac, the old metal station, still exists, on the web. Go to http://www.knaclive.com. I think that is the url. If not, I am sure it exists in a radio index somewhere.. Even the old D.J.s are there. I know I am on the east coast and don't know what it is, but I remember people bemoaning the demise of knac and though I would pass this info along. Get your realaudio players fired up now.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clear, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:17:13 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: root@mtv.com Message-ID: <199806071617.JAA22507@germany.it.earthlink.net>
i can see the flames already. *grin* i shud have said that i emailed root@mtv.com to get their attention and _not_ to piss them off. (although i don't know why coz they sure have pissed me off a lot ;-)
yzzy
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:44:38 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Offer to pick up the Jap HY Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF0018C06@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
I will be heading to Tokyo at the end of the week and hereby offer to pick up the Jap HY CD single (plus two **amazing** live cuts) for those interested. This offer is made to personally attempt to increase sales for the band and recover from a SERIOUSLY TARNISHED image due to a left-coaster who shall remain nameless but is an ...... ASSHOLE !!
====> (MP, does this mean that we are even ?? :)
Due to the recent strength of the dollar vs the yen, I should be able to pull this off for $14 postpaid to US locations, Priority, maybe even less. If you are interested, let me know by COB 6/9/98. I cannot make any promises because this CD may no longer be readily available. And, even if it is still available, I am not sure how many I can get. I should be back by 6/21/98 and will contact you when I return with the particulars. First come, first served, unless I like someone else better. Unfortunately, unless I have traded with you in the past, I am going to have to ask for cash or MO.
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@comversens.com
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:47:43 -0500 From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kansas' new release Message-ID: <199806071647.JAA08629@germany.it.earthlink.net>
>420 is known as the Official time >to smoke pot.
i'll be damned if i'm gonna wait `til 4:20. <g>
(btw Drum, the preferred _tobacco_ in amsterdam will no longer be sold in the states. a friggin canadian company bought the holland producer out and they won't ship to the U.S. -- bastards!)
haven't been able to wade thru all the jams backed up in my mail (yet), but, i've been listening to Kansas' new release "aLways NeveR tHe same" with the London Symphony Orchestra. this CD rockz. the symphony really produces some nice fills. Kanas does a really nice job with Eleanor Rigby (even tho i still prefer Vanilla Fudge's rendition of the song). _and_ i'm not waiting until 4:20 to enjoy it either. *chuckle* if you're a fan of Kansas, you'll want this cd.
yzzy
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:51:20 -0400 From: Jaime Kimpton <jaimekimpton@vwc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the price of re-sold boots Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980607125120.007a0e70@mailhost.vwc.edu>
>> DT - Subconscious (CD-R) >> - Acoustic Dreams (CD-R) > > This is all I'm commenting on. If you're trying to sell CDRs of >these two boots for $30 a piece, you're out of your fucking mind. The >originals didn't cost this much, to my knowledge.
Hey Mads? I re-sold Subconscious for $100 -- but the price I initially offered it for was $25, which is what I paid for it three years ago. (the *only* manufactured CD I bought, btw). I let the guys figure out what THEY were willing to pay in order to get their hands on it. In retrospect, I probably should have let it go for $25, period, and drawn names out of a hat, because there were *so* many people bidding for it. Eh bien.
If you ask me, the people who PAY that much for the CDs are as much out of their fucking minds as the people that are jacking up the prices. There is no CD in existence from ANY band that is worth that price. I don't really understand the willingness to pay that much money just to *have* a CD... just like I don't understand why anyone would actually pay three hundred bucks for a Black Lotus M:TG card. ::snicker::
Jaime the honest Dragon. :)
---------- http://members.aol.com/sundrachen/index.html
"It's a million times better to risk being deserted or betrayed that to withdraw into a fortress of alienation, and break the contact with others. Because then we really die."
-- Anais Nin
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Into The Great Unknown Message-ID: <199806071727.NAA00983@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, got my copy of Open All Night Record's Into The Great Unknown CD last week... I must say, I am impressed. First off, the liner notes and look of the CD are very professional. Better than what I used to expect from a Mike Bahr release back in the Subconscious days... The sound quality is very good, but (obviously) varies from track to track (its a sampler CD, for those who didn't know). The DT and Savatage, bands that I wanted to hear, sound very good. I am about to place my order for their CDs tomorrow... Its also cool to hear some of these bands that I keep hearing people talk about. I had heard Vanden Plas before, and will definatly order that one when they realease it. Anyway, for those who were sorta questioning ordering from OAN, it is well worth the cost.
-- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: **SPOILERS** Savatage Message-ID: <199806071741.NAA01035@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, just figured I'd post a review of the Savatage show from Danbury, CT from last Thursday evening. First, got to the club at about 7:45, and we were not sure whether the show started at 8 or if doors were at 8. We got to discover doors were at 8. As usual, I had a DT shirt on (as did Sarah Fontes), which led to the normal DT and prog discussion w/ several people in the crowd... Ran into a few people who recognized me from the DT Hartford show... So the doors open, we go in, and head up front. The first opening act was very cool, a local prog band call Crucible. I recommend seeing them to anyone who has the chance... they were good enough that both Jeremy and I bought a copy of their CD. Onto the touring opening act. They were (IMO) bad, and a poor choice for an opening act, they were more of a punk/thrash band, and did not fit at all (I got so bored I started to play card games on my Pilot while they were on stage). Finally, their set ends at about 9:30-9:45. We figure we would actually be out of the early... The crew starts setting up the stage, but were having major problems w/ the guitar setup (not sure what). This took quite a while to solve, and Savatage finally came on at about 10:50. Anyway, onto the
****SPOILERS****
****SPOILERS****
****SPOILERS****
]From Jeremy, the set list was as follows:
Welcome > Chance > Jesus Saves > Turns to me > Morning Sun > Handful of Rain > This is the Time > The Hourglass > Blackjack Guillotine > The Wake of Magellan > Dead Winter Dead > Edge of THorns > Chris Caffey solo > When the Crowds are Gone > Gutter Ballet > Encore: > Paragons of Innocence > Sirens > Hall of the Mountain King
I am a relativly new Savagage fan, and not too familiar w/ stuff from before DWD, although I have a few of their older stuff as well... The stuff I was familiar w/ was very cool... Welcome was a perfect choice to open the show with. Paragons was very cool... they said this was the first time ever played live. All of the counterpoint songs they played were very cool... neat to see tht they pull it off live. Overall, as Jeremy had mentioned, they are not very tight live, sorta sloppy., but still was a great show. Well worth the 2-3 hour drive, and getting hjome at 4 in the morning (I still got up for work at 7-7:30 Friday, was sorta dead tired at work all day)
-- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:53:27 +0000 From: lerxst@pop.erols.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I&W tour boots. Message-ID: <199806071800.OAA24282@smtp1.erols.com>
Hey all, I am new to DT. I downloaded the MP3's for I&W and loved it so much that I bought the CD and joined this list. I have noticed that there is alot of mention about DT boots. I would love to get my hands on good quality CDs from different shows on that tour. If any of you can point me in the right direction I would be forever grateful.
PS: I bought ACOS the other day. Loved the title track, but was not crazy about the covers(no flames please. just my opinion which has been known to change after several listens). Anyway, what should be my next DT purchase?
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:12:23 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I still hate women Message-ID: <199806072014.NAA16368@cats.ucsc.edu>
But music stores love me. Read on ...
I won't bore you with the gory details, but the woman who was supposed to go with me to the SF DT show pulled another fast one and screwed me over on another attempt to go out with her. (Yeah, I've learned my lesson. No more of this)
So, in my fury I went to my local music store and bought a VK-7, borrowing against the money I'm going to get when I sell my car. Ah well. Sounds as nice at home as it did in the store. Anybody have any technical questions about it, I'd be happy to answer. Think I'm gonna go write some angry music about her. :)
I now own 2 pieces of gear that Derek has. :)
~Chris The next Trent Reznor? __ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:48:31 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I still hate women Message-ID: <357AFC9F.7AE2@pacbell.net>
Chris Oates was looking in the wrong place: > > But music stores love me. Read on ... > > I won't bore you with the gory details, but the woman who was supposed to > go with me to the SF DT show pulled another fast one and screwed me over on > another attempt to go out with her. (Yeah, I've learned my lesson. No > more of this)
Chris, Chris, Chris......(or should I say Darryl, Darryl, Darryl....
You dear are looking in the wrong place sweetheart. We told you.....ya gotta find yourself a prog loving woman. I happen to know of a few on the West Coast who would not pull fast ones on you!
ON the other hand, if you now have all this wonderful keyboard equipment (congrats), will you have time for a good prog loving woman????????
> Think I'm gonna go write some angry music about her. :)
Chopping broccoli......chopping broccoli......
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:54:59 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII Message-ID: <01bd9256$88b44440$1d28c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
well, i finally got FII, and I like it! everyone seemed to describe as a complete sell-out, but i think its great. i love "Lines in the Sand" so much! Of course, my sig quote is from "LitS," but I stuck it there before I head ever heard the song.
Alex Smith bacchus@azstarnet.com http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives." -Dream Theater ------------------------------------- "So many things I think about When I look far away Things I know - Things I wonder Things I'd like to say The more we think we know about The greater the unknown We suspend our disbelief And we are not alone." -Rush ------------------------------------- "I will wear your white feather I will carry your white flag I will swear I have no nation But I'm proud to own my heart." -Marillion (Fish)
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