YTSEJAM Digest 3970
Today's Topics:
1) I spend too much money on CDs
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
2) Re: A Helping Hand
by "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
3) Re: Savatage recommendations
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
4) Nah, My big brother is going to get you
by Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
5) OAN response to Mike Bahr
by "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
6) Dreamworld CD
by Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
7) New Anthrax (NDTC)
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
8) 4 2 0, Mike Bahr gets shut out
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
9) Re: Savatage
by Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@students.wisc.edu>
10) Portnoy = Satan?
by almar@freemail.nl
11) Re: Portnoy = Satan?
by Theiban@aol.com
12) Gary Portnoy, "happy wars"
by Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
13) re: Mike Bahr CD's
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
14) Re: "Limited Editions"
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
15) Re: OAN response to Mike Bahr
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
16) Re: Mike Bahr CD's
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) CDNOW discount (was Gentle Giant/Collectibility decline)
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:27:53 +0100
From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I spend too much money on CDs
Message-ID: <01BD92E1.3E06C590@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
yep, I've got another review for you, and one that I'm sure a lot of you will
really enjoy.
STIGMATA - Solum Mente Infirmis
Four guys from Austria producing something that you normally don't
associate with Austria - excellent metal. Those of you who are familiar
with my general taste in music know that I don't really like bands such
as Savatage, Iron Maiden, Helloween etc. This album has some power
metal elements, but they are tastefully broken up by some very progressive
passages, good instrumental or acoustic parts and some simple good hard
riffs. The most obvious feature of the album is Ritchie Krenmaier's almost
perfect vocal performance - one of the very few prog singers I've heard who
leaves me wanting more. Some interesting song developments, especially
in my favourite track "Sacred Man", which has the touch of darkness that
I often miss in other prog stuff - if all the songs were as good as this, I
could award top marks. Overall, the band reminds me of Threshold and
occasionally of Vauxdvihl. 9/10
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Die Toten Hosen - Reich Und Sexy
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 07:49:03 -0400
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <Jim.Suplizio@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: A Helping Hand
Message-ID: <C5B7060FE2DCD011A8730060B01A6244322D67@RTP_EXCH>
>Seven year--old Craig has a brain tumor and has little time to live. Craig
>urned in a wish to the Children's Make a Wish Foundation and expresses his
>desire to have an entry in the World Book of Records for the largest
>collection of business cards received by an individual. Please take a
>moment to retype this letter on your letterhead and send it to twenty
>businesses of your choice, helping him make his wish come true.
For those bleeding hearts who have already sent out buisness cards
you've been scammed. For those of you who are about to send out
buisness cards DON'T. In case anyone doesn't know this whole thing
is a sham. Little, terminally ill Craig has been seven for 4 consecutive
years now (great trick, I know a few chicks who have been 29 4 years
in a row too...) Every year for the past 4 years I've gotten at least 2
emails about little Craig. Short of sounding TOTALLY callous if the
kid REALLY existed and was terminally ill I think he'd be pushing
up the daisies for quite some time now and the buisness cards would
be of little use (unless the sob story about the little kid not being able
to afford a coffin and the buisness cards were being glued together to
make his final resting place)
Feeling a little gripey this morning,
Jim
"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?"
- M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:14:29 EDT
From: DragynLMC3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Savatage recommendations
Message-ID: <8ea9a2b4.357bd5a7@aol.com>
hey all!
i dont have many but would suggest getting The Wake of Magellan for sure! and
Power of the Night is kewl as well.
~Lisa
DragynLMC3@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dragynlmc3/DragynsLair.html
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Simon Wilkins <s.wilkins@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nah, My big brother is going to get you
Message-ID: <19980608123535.23765.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
I know none of you
would
try to cheat me. Not with my bodybuilding brother Joey buzzing around
America
in his custom-built Shitcopter, dropping crates of cow manure on
people's
houses from three hundred feet in the air with a single phone call from
me.
Think about it. Do you want to pay me honestly or do you want Santa to
take
the form of a big box of shit this year and come tearing down your
chimney at
170mph? (For you metric-system people that's really damn fast.)
Is this for real? Are you really saying "If you piss me off I'll get
my big brother on you"?
I havent heard that since I was 5-6 years old!
Amazed (Simon)
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:48:46 +0200
From: "Volodya" <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: OAN response to Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <000201bd92db$c77ea1e0$de649ec2@default>
Hello Fellow Jammers,
Although it seems to us that Graham's recent response to Mike Bahr's
mumbling was pretty thorough, we nevertheless do wish to clarify our reasons
for putting out limited edition copies of our CDs.
The main reason for our doing so, is that our goal is to supply high quality
COLLECTORS editions of the shows we are putting out. In that way, people who
purchase our CDs know that they are purchasing something unique, which will
eventually become a precious item in their collection. Further on, if there
is someone who is left out, there are plenty of people out there who will
readily supply a copy. (Note: it's perfectly OK with us if other people will
be making CD-R copies of our CDs once the originals are no longer available,
as long as they are not the numbered copies). Most importantly, WE DO NOT
AIM TO MAKE A LIVING out of those CDs, like Mr. Bahr does. We both have real
jobs, and we thus are unlikely to use the money we receive for the CDs to
buy food or pay for "the family problems". Finally, in our opinion, bootlegs
SHOULD be limited edition cause otherwise they loose half of their charms.
And as for Mike Bahr being against limited editions, well, we guess he
really needs the money to survive in this cruel world. So, show some mercy
and send him a couple of hundred bucks, and maybe you'll get your discs
before the end of the century (don't forget to cross your fingers on that).
Take care and keep on rocking,
Volodya and Felix of Open All Night Records.
To Mike Bahr personally:
Mike,
We have specifically tried to avoid discussing you and your business on the
list, hoping you will show us the same courtesy. You have decided otherwise
though, so here we go. Unless you want to start another jam war, please
abstain from ever mentioning us in your posts, and we will do the same.
Otherwise, WATCH YOUR BACK........
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:00:18 -0400
From: Paul Drapeau <drapeau@cs.uri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dreamworld CD
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980608090018.00910470@131.128.81.1>
Some of you have been asking about the "classical/prog" cd Dreamworld... as
far as I can tell it has nothing to do with the band of the same name but
here is that URL again...
http://gogood.simplenet.com/dreamworld/
-Paul
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Anthrax (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980608092040.20596A-100000@archa8.cc.uga.edu>
Hey all--
Got to hear a song from the upcoming Anthrax album on a metal show here in
town and it sounded really good. I'll be sure to pick that one up.
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Album Currently Playing: Dream Theater--A Change of Seasons
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Matt Smith "We say revolution...
ktulu@arches.uga.edu With a cast-iron fist"
-Mustaine
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:23:20 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 4 2 0, Mike Bahr gets shut out
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980608132320.00738db0@pop.pipeline.com>
First, 4 2 0 *obviously* is the series count for last year's
Stanley Cup Finals series (ha, ha, Flyers fans), and most likely
this year's, too. Caps get swept? It's possible.
Second, didn't we (the powers that be, too) agree that this boot
thread was a no-go? I thought that was forbidden on The New and
Improved Jam (c). I guess Skadz is out dying for our sins again...
CD of the Day: Flotsam and Jetsam - High
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97, 1997-98? Stanley Cup Champions
First Round, vs. Phoenix Coyotes : Detroit Wins 4-2
Second Round, vs. St. Louis Blues : Detroit Wins 4-2
Third Round, vs. Dallas Stars : Detroit Wins 4-2
Fourth Round, vs. Washington Capitals : Game One Tuesday
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:28:50 -0500
From: Joseph Bissonnette <jabisson@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Savatage
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980608082849.0073adf0@students.wisc.edu>
Rob wrote:
>
>Hey there,
>
>I have "Handful of Rain". I dig it. I want more. What next?
>
>-Rob
>
>
And Alex followed up:
>
>Somebody tell me something about Savatage... it sounds like an intriguing
>band. I just read the story and lyrics for their latest album and it sounds
>AWESOME!
>
>
>Alex Smith
The only other Savatage I've heard is their new album, Wake of Magellan,
and Streets. Both are very good. WoM is much more similar stylistically
to Handful of Rain. Streets has more of an old school metal sort of sound.
Both are concept albums, but story seems to flow better in Streets.
Streets is great, but has a different lead vocalist, Jon Oliva, who IMHO
isn't as good. I only got Wake of Magellan a couple weeks ago, and it's
the best album I've picked up in a long time. A must have if you're at all
into Savatage.
Joe
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:03:44 GMT
From: almar@freemail.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Portnoy = Satan?
Message-ID: <199806081403.OAA15794@freesrv2.freemail.nl>
>
>
> An interesting piece of information about Mr. Portnoy. After an extensive
> investigation I found an interesting source about 420 and it's significance
> surrounding Mr. Portnoy a.k.a. Satan. This is fearful reading, so anyone
> with small children are asked to have them leave the room.
>
> Excerpts from The Bible...
> Revelations: Chapter >Four<, Verse >20<,
>
> Yea, shall he rise forth bearing the image of the Lamb, yet he be not the
> Lamb.
> <--(Mike sortuv looks like Jesus)
> He shall come forth upon the Earth and bear in each hand a flaming rod.
> <--(drumsticks, maybe? He does endorse Hotsticks)
> And he shall sit upon his throne and call thunder from the sky.
> <--(Drumset, maybe? The drummer's stool is called a throne)
> Many shall revere him as a God and love him and praise him.
> <--(Hello, people, see what we've done?)
> And shalt they be given the mark of the beast, blah, blah, blah.
> <--(I can see a 666 in the Majesty logo, can't you?)
> Those that shall go unmarked shall be shunned and smitten by others.
> <--(We are ALWAYS planning these hostile music world takeovers)
> He shall collect gifts and sacrifices from his minions.
> <--(He is wanting those banners. DOH!)
> And shalt all that worship him be damned for all eterniry, having their eyes
> plucked out and tongue severed, and be bitten by locusts for seven times
> seven years.
> <--(I'm unsubbing after this)
> Then shall he call his four dark riders and all shall fear them.
> <--(James, Derek, John, and John? the Four Horsemen?)
> And on a steel horse shall he ride.
> <--(This Bon Jovi reference throws me)
>
> So there you have it. Mike is nothing more than the Anti-Christ. Somehow I
> knew it all along. Ah, well. Eiher that or Toco Torres is. :\ Haven't
> figured that part out yet.
>
> I'll be checking out Nostradamus' writings to see if I can confirm this...
> --KorgX3
>
Trying to be funny, Mr. KorgX3?
' Well, we're not laughing!'
Greetings Almar.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:34:42 EDT
From: Theiban@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Portnoy = Satan?
Message-ID: <9bc30c11.357bf683@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-08 10:28:08 EDT, you write:
<< Trying to be funny, Mr. KorgX3?
' Well, we're not laughing!'
Greetings Almar. >>
i was laughing my f*ckin ass off on that one.
guess i just have a sense of humor, oh well.
Rocky
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:39:09 +0000
From: Alex Fraser <afraser@carleton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gary Portnoy, "happy wars"
Message-ID: <01IXZMEWIEH291VSCL@carleton.edu>
Ahoy-hoy,
So, I was sitting in my room last night, writing a letter, and my
roommate is in the other room watching Cheers. He yells to me "Hey!
The person who sings the theme song is named Gary Portnoy!"
First of all, I give him credit for remembering MP's name and making
that connection. I guess I'm finally getting to him... heh heh.
Second, what gives, Mike? Is this guy related to you, or are all
Portnoys inherently musical?
Also, I'd like to announce that I'm forming my own bootleg company,
just so I can get away from you fucking people. I'm gonna make CD-Rs
for me, and possibly people who look like Paulina Porizkova. If
you'd like to try and order something from me, please call our
hotline. It'll be staffed by elderly men who think their hearing
aids are being repaired, who are also watching Matlock episodes on
one of those new 42" wall TVs. They will happily take your VISA
number, and not so happily answer all other questions. You *will*
get something shipped to you. It *will* be collectible. It may not
be a CD. Please note that I will only accept payment in pennies.
I'm sick of boot flame wars. Let's start a happy war. Here, I'll
start: I traded with Mike Burstin about 5 years ago. For blanks,
even. He even threw in some DT stuff as filler. Got me hooked on
the band. Gosh he sure is a swell guy.
Okbye.
id
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:12:31 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Mike Bahr CD's
Message-ID: <357BFF5E.1BB8CE1E@ici.net>
> I made silvers as limited editions for some specific reasons, and those
> reasons did NOT have to do with making it "exclusive" or any shit like
> that. If anything, I *regret* that I didn't make enough for EVERYONE.
> The reasons are that the nature of silvers print runs is such that a set
> amount had to be made, within a certain budget and a certain time span,
> and that further print runs were NOT guaranteed to be possible, or even
> probable, because of the legalities involved. I could not promise
> Acoustic Dreams silvers for everyone, because I had no idea when I'd
> simply run out of supply.
I wish I had an archive of past jams so I could refute this more
effectively. I've been on list list since just after Subconscious sold
out, and I remember the "updates" you posted for the subsequent "silver"
CDs. I remember things like you saying that there would only be 500 or
1000 of a given CD - not because you would "simply run out of supply",
but because you would never make any more (originals). I also remember
you boasting about the resell values of Subcon and AD. I'm sorry, but
the resell value only has meaning to one segment, and it's not the "real
fans" - it's to collectors. You may have been "upset" that every fan
couldn't get a copy of every CD, but please don't try to revise history.
You were perfectly willing to take advantage of the "collectors" market
to sell your CD's then.
FWIW, I believe you when you say that it's always been about "the fans".
If you have changed your opinion about the collectors, then that's fine,
but please don't try and tell us it was always that way, because it
clearly wasn't.
-- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.just-like.nu IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ Join the YCSRF today!------------------------------
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: "Limited Editions" Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980608091114.3399A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Graham Boyle wrote:
> >Mike you are really some nasty peice of work, that still amazes me >how you can come on this list and tell us the CD bootleg gospel >according to Mike 'I am a legend' Bahr.... > >It is wrong just cos YOU say so, is it ? >Wrong, the only reason you frown upon OAN records is that >a. they are in direct competition to you
Are they offering a boot of the *same* show? That would be direct competition. Otherwise, there's overlap, but not completely. There are people who eat at both McDonalds and Burger King, just because of convenience (one's at the mall, the other isn't, etc.)
Besides, if OAN is only going to sell 150 sets of the DT concert, they're obsiously no competition. After the 150 are sold, what do you do? Well, lookee here, Jeb, Mike Bahr has a duplicate of the boot!
>b. they are cheaper than you
"less expensive" is more PC. Cheap sound so... cheap.
>c. they answer email
No comment. None whatsoever.
>d. they have a REAL customer service
What's the service?
>e. they deliver almost straight away >
"straight away"... (giggle) I love the other side of the pond... ^_^
>Let me tell you this Mike, if it wasn't for the 400 or more people >that have sent you money and have yet to recieve and CD's from you >I'd have no hesitation informoring the authorites (ie RIAA, FBI) >on your illegal money taking, artist robbing scam that you run..
Graham... thank you. ^_^ May I go to the bathroom now?
> >grrrrrraham >
Waiting with his legs crossed in pain, --Matt
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Subject: Re: OAN response to Mike Bahr Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980608092513.3399B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Well, I'm just glad neither you at OAN or Mike Bahr are running any real businesses. Both of you have quite a bit to learn about airing out laundry and press releases.
--Matt (wants only Yes bootlegs now...)
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:32:19 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Mike Bahr CD's Message-ID: <003901bd92fb$091d3e80$48f086cc@chuckrei>
>> I made silvers as limited editions for some specific reasons, and those >> reasons did NOT have to do with making it "exclusive" or any shit like
*assumes Skadz' resonsabiliy temporarily.*
OK. This whole rediculous thread is popping up more frequently than ever and has been the reason for my temporary unsubbing over the last few months. To sum it up:
Mike Bahr: Sell your CD's and shut the fuck up.
Everyone else: We've all been screwed by Mike in the past (or at least it sounds like alot of us have). If you trust him to order from him again, then do so and shut the fuck up. If you don't, don't, and shut the fuck up.
If you hate him that much, call the FBI on him, it's that simple. Personally, I could care less about any of it, except that I don't want to be reading about any of it here.
*morphs back into KorgX3*
>Trying to be funny, Mr. KorgX3? >' Well, we're not laughing!'
Fuck you, buddy. Good thing you called me mister or I would've compounded your nouns.
~KorgX3 is in a fucking good mood today.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:38:35 -0700 From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CDNOW discount (was Gentle Giant/Collectibility decline) Message-ID: <357C138B.FFC522E7@pacbell.net>
Jon Kretschmer wrote: > > Also, can I get the UACM discount, and then later get the discount on > Kizer's site? I thought I read something on the CDNow web page about only > one per customer, but I dont know if that applies in this situation.
You can only use the discount once, unless you set up more than one account for yourself... perhaps one with your whole name "Jon Kretschmer", and one with only your initial "J. Kretschmer". You might have to delete the CDNOW cookie before you can log in under the second account, but there is always a way around stuff like that.
:o)
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