YTSEJAM Digest 3974
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Three fucking days (major DTC)
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
2) Rarities
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: You say potatoes....
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
4)
by policast@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it (Policastro Cosimo)
5) Re: Savatage recommendations
by Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
6) Aldo Nova
by AL <al@isd.net>
7) Some rap artists stealing music...
by Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si>
8) Boots, boots, boots
by Calvin6S@aol.com
9) Whoo-kam!
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
10) PJ interview
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) It is time to parody the bootlegging thread!
by Joe Kruger <joekruger@yahoo.com>
12) Re: Savatage, Atlanta, June 14th
by Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
13) OK, I be a ho
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
14) Re: advertisement in a local paper
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
15) Re: History is made in Jam 3972: I totally agree with Chris
by erodger@fore.com
16) Re: JFK
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net>
17) I know this is a long-shot...
by Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Three fucking days (major DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980609023012.11200A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Ever wonder why all the happy-for-OAN posts come from AOL addresses? Me
neither, but I thought it was an interesting coincidence.
--Matt
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"I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died." -- Steven Wright
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:32:01 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rarities
Message-ID: <199806090932.CAA29985@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., Michael Bahr said:
>
>12/9 Los Angeles (an LA deejay
>has the soundboard DAT of this and has played pieces of it on the air),
>and several from Europe in early 1995, including 1/31/95 Uncovered.
>
>Then Los Angeles HOB 11/11/97... the soundboard of this is truly nice,
>and the performance is hammed up and fired up and just generally mayhem.
>
>5/18/98 Los Angeles House of Blues - Enough said. Mike Portnoy himself
>proclaims it the greatest.
heheh, I like how you mention these as "to get you started", it's not like
any NEWBIE, or even us veterans even have a fair chance of getting any of
these or have these.
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: You say potatoes.... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980609024129.11200B-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Trevor W. Hoit wrote:
> > i don't think people are going to change their opinions > that easily.... as they say, "whatever floats your >boat." > >Or as JLB and the rest of those hosers would say, >"Whatever floats your BOOT!"
My personal fav is from his live versions of TTT: "You can feel the waves coming on, come own!" (of being instead of "come on")... ^_^
It's very late. Byebye.
> >Take off, eh >Trevor >NP-Aldo Nova-s/t > >
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:27:14 +0200 From: policast@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it (Policastro Cosimo) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <9806091027.AA03285@ic8u81.settimo.italtel.it>
Hi all, yesterday I wrote a letter to ytsejam's list and like in the past the only answer that I saw is stupid and without sense. Graham if you don't like Korn I don't care about it! I just would some informations and not your fucking comments! Where are you from Graham?? In the America?I thought that your country was the most free in the world but if you talk with me in this way I think that isn't true!! IF I like others bands and not only DT can I have however some good answer ?? Every time that I say something I received only attacks!(once time i asked one ting about Soulfly and I had the same type of answer!) But are we "friends" or what? bye to everyone that are agree with me...
I would have very many e-mail's friends ,I have no prejudice! Cosimo - Milan (ITALY)
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:55:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Savatage recommendations Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980609123911.3947A-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
Being a dedicated Sava-fan and all here are my recommendations:
Gutter Ballet for sure! if u dont have this album u dont have anything.. Edge of Thorns and Sirens arent alike but still they kick butt,especially the first one is brilliant..sirens is their first release ever and the arrangements arent too inspired,but what the heck its heck its rock'n'roll Edge of Thorns has awesome ballads,great production and i cant think of any riff that isnt unique,only Oliva used to play this way...while when u listen to petrucci,u sense u've heard his riffs before (from lifeson to vai etcetc) :) Dead winter dead,in a few words its the best concept album ever,yeah even better than Operation Mindcrime(imho)..its their best concept work too,both wake of magellan and streets cannot compare to it,trust me these are the must-buy..oh i'd suggest Hall of the MOuntain King as well since its pure metal,u can distinguish Oliva's playing from miles away
as about the rest..dontdontdont even think of buying fight for the rock..even savatage themselves call it "fight for the shit" :) dungeons i dont have,nor handful of rain,but they arent too good..at least so i've heard from the most dedicated Sava-fans. hm did i forget anything..streets is great too but i'm afraid u already have to buy many more :)..and i dont know about their best of,live albums but well if u have the rest they arent worth it..oh btw if u buy any Sava cd ,make sure u find the latest releases with the bonus tracks and all,its really worth it..thats all folks ,hope it helped..anthing else just ask
asmodel
--------------------------------- | Eala Earendel engla beorhtast | | ofer middangeard monnum sended. | ---------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 05:57:14 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Aldo Nova Message-ID: <357D150A.B861E59F@isd.net>
I noticed Trevor made mention of this Canadian musician in his sig. He's one hell of a one man band. On his early stuff he played everything except drums for the studio recordings. (Guitar, bass, & keys) Last I heard he was a studio ONLY musician for Celine Dion. Any Jammer comments on Aldo Nova? The really cool think was noticing in Netscape Mail the words "Aldo Nova" in the "subject" Box. One of Aldo Nova's albums was titled "Subject Aldo Nova!" Just kinda' cool, that's all.... Must be to many of those Labrie non-filters.
Now playing Fates Warning "Parallels"..... And liking it!
PS. Hey Portnoy - - Your Momma! <grin> :) -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:25:32 +0200 From: Sebastjan Videc <sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some rap artists stealing music... Message-ID: <357D1BAC.E73392D8@uni-mb.si>
Right now I'm listening to radio and what do I hear? Some rap or what is it called? Hip-hop or something like that are making shit out of a tune called Celebre Addagio, it's a classical peace, I played with wind orchestra. I hate all who do this! If they can't write their own music, then they shouldn't be copycats. As for Bahr wars... I think he isn't right. After all he started with bootleging for money. I remember trading with a fellow jamer and countrymen Matej "Mato" Setinc, for just blank tapes. But what do I know? Just keep it off jam. And finally some DTC. I like You Not Me very much. Also like most of the new material, but some songs are just too mellow(Anna Lee)... Also Hollow Years is just the type of ballad to be on the radio. I think that Scarred is really evolving in it's 2nd half... Just my opinion, but i stand by it! :) Take care all. -- Sebastjan Videc StDeVil [sebastjan.videc@uni-mb.si ] [... It's full of stars ...] [http://tferi4.uni-mb.si/~videc] [... Let Light Surround You ...]
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:52:00 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Boots, boots, boots Message-ID: <98c8b90d.357d21e1@aol.com>
Jon Kretschmer writes: <>
Well, I know the exact feeling you mean. The feeling of telling someone you have something that they don't can feel exciting, but at the same time - to me the exciting part has always been HELPING them get what I have and they don't. I don't mean this for things that have OTHER value (a piece of Vai's neck that he smashed live, a Portnoy drumstick, a signature). That is apples and oranges. Those hold value to me because they remind me of a great show. I actually see what you refer to "time is passing" as a GOOD THING. Before I came to the jam I had a circle of friends that I traded with. The thrill of calling these friends to tell them that I have NEW stuff is because I would be helping them either a) buy their own or b) giving them a copy. Thanks to all the trading on the jam I can't wait for my friend from Colorado to come down so we can do a MASSIVE trade session.
I do know what you mean about the EXCLUSIVE feeling you have - but if you can't share it just isn't worth it. And btw, I don't even care about people that charge a little extra to make the copies and etc. If they want to, I have the right not to buy it.
And don't take it personal Jon K. I can understand the thrill you are talking about. I just think the "new age" will be better for fans.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:24:51 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Whoo-kam! Message-ID: <19980609121855.CNXH15374@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Yawn! I should be getting ready for work right now, but I'm not. Whoop-ee! To clear up the only thing I believe to be a variant issue anymore in this melee I've prompted: I paid $25 for the CD-Rs I bought from the Jim Colberg era when that's what they cost; I refuse to ship without insuring and registered CDs in the mail. Call me wary, I developed Mike Bahr Syndrome, a variant on Gulf War Syndrome. And I said it clearly in one of my posts: I would rather have these not sell because people don't want to hear them, not because they're "not worth the price". Heck, I can always listen to them and all the ones I have left are actually the ones that I still want and are A- or above. Notice how I don't go into a sales pitch here. I bought discs from fans rather than 'leggers to help them out before, and I would do it again (even though one is now taking shots at me on the Jam). I bought Home Sweet Home from someone (not taking shots at me but taking it private) for $25 when I could have had it for $15 elsewhere. Why? Because a real fan, who I knew through trading was selling it. That made a difference to me. Just like it does sending tapes to fans who have none. Of course I remember being a newbie when only two or three fans would help out in a sitch like that. I guess nothing has changed. So when you shop Wal MArt instead of the corner drug, Home Depot instead of your local True Value, or Media Play instead of the Music Outlet, don't bother responding to my posts because you are already incapable of understanding my sentiments. Saving a buck is not always the best way to ensure you'll get what you want down the line. So call me a fuck-nut, call me a whiner, call me your mother's butt-ugly stepchild, but just make sure you understand where I'm coming from before you blather an endless stream of bandwidth. Me? I'll take this private when people taking cheap shots at me do. Notice I haven't done that and named names (unless Bahr counts anymore) and pointed fingers. Why? Because I'm making an argument, not taking someone down a notch. Courtesy...
Stodge-a-riffic!
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:29:46 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: YTSELAND <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: PJ interview Message-ID: <357D2ABA.43B4EAA9@isd.net>
I don't know if this has been posted or not, but I found a great interview with John Petrucci at prime choice. Here's the URL http://prime-choice.com/interviews/dreamtheater.htm
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Kruger <joekruger@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: It is time to parody the bootlegging thread! Message-ID: <19980609130624.8217.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>
Disclaimer: This is just a parody. It is not intended as a moral or social commentary. Anyone wondering about my position on bootlegs needs to look no further than my CD and tape collections (which contain a few). I just get annoyed by the extremist postings from both sides of the argument. Hopefully the parody reflects my general opposition to bootlegging, my acknowledgement of the criminality of bootlegging, and my own hypocritical ownership of bootlegged material.
I think the topic has been sufficiently beaten to death enough to warrant a parody.
Enjoy!
Security's Eyes (Peruvian Skies Parody)
Hear!. Here it is I swear its the best show I've taped yet Wait, I'll burn it again Don't sell your silvers until I Make my CD-Roms
Avoiding security's eyes Bootlegger unshamedly tapes The concert replays in their minds Where crazed fans' hysteria's Buying their prize Burned on to disc Always refusing The rights of the artist he rapes Damned bootlegger Damned, damned bootlegger
Hey, you understand I'm doing all of this just for the fans Fine, it's not a crime I'm the vendor that you wanted
Avoiding security's eyes Bootlegger unshamedly tapes The concert replays in their minds Where crazed fans' hysteria's Buying their prize Burned on to disc Always refusing The rights of the artist he rapes Damned Bootlegger Damned Bootlegger
Dollars by theft Greed every day Selling their CDs Please put them away
Avoiding security's eyes Bootlegger unshamedly tapes The concert replays in their minds Where crazed fans' hysteria's Buying their prize Burned on to disc Always refusing The rights of the artist he rapes
==
Joe Kruger joekruger@yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net> To: Liquid Tension Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Savatage, Atlanta, June 14th Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980609091539.22613A-100000@peach.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Paul actually took some initiative and made an organizational suggestion regarding my vague remarks about the 'tage show... > Okay, a few Ytsejammers will be going to this show here at the Outer > Edge on the 14th. We'll be having an unofficial gathering, a "big, > evil YtseBunch" (@ 1997 Madsman) in the parking lot by the venue the > day of the show. Anyone who's going, please email me and let me know > and we can play prog-stuff in the lot and amaze the unknowing rubes > who haven't heard, say, LTE yet. :) > I'm thinking about 6pm, maybe 5pm. It's a Sunday, assuming the date > is still okay. :)
5 PM sounds good to me. This is gonna be a good weekend. Yanni on Saturday night, then 'tage on Sunday night. 'Course, I'm going to hate coming back to work on Monday....*sigh*
Ta, Phil
======================================================================= Phil Carter -- satriani@negia.net (work), carter@negia.net (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Vitalij Kuprij -- "High Definition"
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:30:24 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: OK, I be a ho Message-ID: <CB366B2843EBD111AA9600104B6A9EF0018C43@wak-mail2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> What is someone that subbed to the jam in 1998 gonna >> do when they are willing to pay market-rate for that original >> disc as a collector's item and all 500 copies that were sold >> are in the hands of people who would rather give away their >> first born son than part with their SubCon?
No first born son. Dont care. I be a ho. If anyone wants a shiny silver Subconscious and is willing to part with $100 for it, let me know. I love this CD and want to keep it, but hey $100 buys a lot of yuppie-beer ......... ;)
Aaaannnnndddd, I will part with my Dr J rookie card for $275. No, really. Mint except for 40% offset on the back. Quick trivia. What was J's rookie team ??
PS - And another thing. While I dont appreciate having to wait 6+ months for my SoC AT ALL, cut Matt Bahr a big fat break. He was so far under water, he couldn't see daylight. He realized this. He promised to change things starting with clearing his backlog and appears to be doing same (although I would have loved to see him cut the backlog of SoC which went to his true DT fans first ....).
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:02:33 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: advertisement in a local paper Message-ID: <005f01bd93b7$a2889440$0cc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
| Learn the styles of : Grohl, Cameron, Pert, Bonham, | |the guy from Ferris Bueller?", and thought I should point out the |spelling error was found in the ad, rather than by any fault of my
Oh, no, that's not a spelling error. You see, those same guys that spawned Chris Richards' Project Portnoy also worked on this project, code-named, "Neil Pert-Plus". Same idea - take a good drummer's DNA, make it perfect. However, due to their practice with Project Portnoy, Neil Pert-Plus was achieved in only one try, hence the lack of a numerical suffix. Rumors abound about a modified version, called "Neil Pert-Plus-Plus" but so far this is only speculation. Moo.
--
"I lost my vision in a tragic gambling accident." -Mike Portnoy, "A Change of Seasons"
Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:16:09 -0400 From: erodger@fore.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: History is made in Jam 3972: I totally agree with Chris Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980609131609.00f2db60@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
I've had the Denver Awake show available for several months now, in it's entirety on 2 CDs. Of course, I don't do fancy packaging and photos and liners and such. I'm the generic brand of the ytseCDr club, just B&W liners with title and setlist, and dirtcheap prices.
KAI
> >11/??/94 Denver, CO - partly contained on Tap The Rockies. I finally got >a hold of this entire tape a while back... an FM broadcast (so basically >near-soundboard quality) of an entire Awake show. Yeah, we've heard the >Awake setlist a lot, but this was a rather lively performace for the >Boyz and as it stands is NOT available on any boot CD in its entirety! >(Tap The Rockies is missing CIAW and Metropolis if I recall correctly). >If OAN, Scarred, or Nick Bogovich has a 0-gen DAT of the radio >broadcast, they should release this whole show! I'd do it myself but my >tape of it isn't even as clear as Tap The Rockies is.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:39:40 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@spiff.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JFK Message-ID: <199806091740.KAA25538@odin.ax.com>
> nice piece of work there, Chuck.....but can you tell us who Really shot > JFK? I can. JFK shot himself (anyone who saw the 7th series of Red Dwarf should know this :).
Dale R. Newberry drnewb@spiff.net
"I'm hip about time."
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@concentric.net> To: YtseJelly <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I know this is a long-shot... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980609135942.4291A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
San Francisco Bay Area Jammers,
Meat Beat Manifesto will be performing at Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco this Saturday, June 13.
"Meat Beat Who ?"
Oh nevermind. I guess I won't see any of you folks there. But if anyone gets adventurous and decides to go, say hi or something. :)
Oh, don't forget to go see Buckethead on the 19th. :)
Rick Audet San Francisco
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