YTSEJAM Digest 3976
Today's Topics:
1) bitching and moaning
by Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
2) Changes to the Ytsejam
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3974
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Re: bitching and moaning
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
5) Spring Images and Words / Camden Show
by Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
6) RE: Changes to the Ytsejam
by "Geoff Stephens" <geoff@texas.net>
7) Re: Complaining
by "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net>
8) Y T S E J A M
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
9) RE: Complaining
by "Geoff Stephens" <geoff@texas.net>
10) Re: Changes to the Ytsejam
by Theiban@aol.com
11) 33% DT content?
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Lack of DT content, or, Just Kiss My Ass!!
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
13) Buying live albums and bootlegs
by "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
14) Re: JFK
by Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu>
15) Blah
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
16) Sava or QR (Slayer!)
by Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
17) Camden Show - Ticket Info.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) The Beard
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:42:35 -0700
From: Lisa Marie <ytsegirl@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bitching and moaning
Message-ID: <357DF29B.E7B14CA1@pacbell.net>
Geoff Stephens wrote:
>
> I totally agree! Seems like these days you can almost get more dt info =
> from alt.music.dream-theater...which is not much to say for this list. =
> I don't subscribe to this list to read crap that is totally unrelated to =
> dt. Granted, an occasional post of something interesting is not a =
> problem but I was thinking the same thing...about one third of the posts =
> are dt related. This sucks!
Hey, why doesn't EVERYONE post about how there's no DTC! That's SURE
to make the list more on topic! Yes! Then we'll have entire digests of
people bitching about NDTC! Get a clue. We get off topic whether you
like it or not, and whining about it isn't going to change anything...
in fact you're just adding to the off topic content yourselves. Hey,
here's an idea... if you want more DTC, then POST SOMETHING DT RELATED!
Sheeesh. Seems pretty simple to me.
Lisa Marie "Jessie"
ytsegirl@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/ytsegirl/
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 19:50:36 -0700
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Changes to the Ytsejam
Message-ID: <199806100251.TAA26660@network-services.uoregon.edu>
> about one third of the posts are dt related. This sucks!
With sentiments like these, drastic action must be taken! As this list is
becoming far too NDTC-based, I propose the following:
The list should become moderated. That way, we can make the list less
interesting, while making it much more difficult to maintain. Great!! In
an effort to get back to more Dream Theater related content, we must
discontinue discussing other music, bands which are similar to DT,
concerts, or musical instruments, as they pertain little to actual
DT-related discussion. Instead, we can focus on the private side of the
band.
1) What kinds of foods do the band members eat?
2) Why do they eat such foods?
3) Who turned them on to these foods?
4) What are the favorite sexual positions of the band members?
5) Why is there such a big difference between "Dream Theater" and "Dream
Theatre" ?
With questions such as these, we can quickly get back to more
appropriate, on-topic discussion.
Without a hint of sarcasm (smirk),
Andrew
(Perhaps I overreacted a bit.)
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|Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.|
|W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ |
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Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not
possible. -FZ
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:04:02 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3974
Message-ID: <199806100304.UAA10187@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before proofreading..., "Geoff Stephens" said:
>
>I totally agree! Seems like these days you can almost get more dt info =
>from alt.music.dream-theater...which is not much to say for this list. =
>I don't subscribe to this list to read crap that is totally unrelated to =
>dt. Granted, an occasional post of something interesting is not a =
>problem but I was thinking the same thing...about one third of the posts =
>are dt related. This sucks!
subject: asdf
(message body):
unsubscribe ytsejam
Pick up your consolation prize on the way out...
-The Doc
-- "Right from the start I've fallen. Slow motion I try to scream. Nobody hears the muted cries. Dreams are crashing from side to side..." -Living in Fear, Dali's Dilemma. http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----> drkhoe@gmsnet.com------------------------------
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:07:51 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: bitching and moaning Message-ID: <357DF887.280C@pacbell.net>
Lisa Marie wrote: Lisa Marie reminded us cause we forget too quick: > > Hey, why doesn't EVERYONE post about how there's no DTC! That's SURE > to make the list more on topic! Yes! Then we'll have entire digests of > people bitching about NDTC! Get a clue. We get off topic whether you > like it or not, and whining about it isn't going to change anything... > in fact you're just adding to the off topic content yourselves. Hey, > here's an idea... if you want more DTC, then POST SOMETHING DT RELATED! > Sheeesh. Seems pretty simple to me.
Three words: YOU GO LISA!
/me hi5z Lisa, z-snaps and walks off....
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:16:45 -0400 From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Spring Images and Words / Camden Show Message-ID: <357DFA9D.82D0ADE6@enter.net>
Hey Jam!
Just got my copy of Images and Words from the DTIFC. Just wondering if anyone else had gotten their or not. Just wondering if I'm special or not....NOT.
Any ways just was wondering if anyone knows when the Camden Aug 12th show tix are going on sale....I originally heard this Saturday, but no confirmation, anyone know?
Let the jam know.
Later
Duester
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:11:52 -0500 From: "Geoff Stephens" <geoff@texas.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Changes to the Ytsejam Message-ID: <000001bd9425$e64f4f20$d12863d1@geoff.texas.net>
I very much enjoy getting info about other prog bands similar to dt. = And I don't plan on unsubing from this list either but there is stuff = posted here which is absolutely unrelated to anything most of us would = consider interesting.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:22:38 -0400 From: "Nick Giannotti" <nickg@gis.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Complaining Message-ID: <199806100422.AAA20065@home.gis.net>
>Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:22:03 -0500 >Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3974 > >I totally agree! Seems like these days you can almost get more dt info = >from alt.music.dream-theater...which is not much to say for this list. = >I don't subscribe to this list to read crap that is totally unrelated to = >dt. Granted, an occasional post of something interesting is not a = >problem but I was thinking the same thing...about one third of the posts = >are dt related. This sucks!
Ah, newbies. Virgin blood for the likes of Eckie, Bafu, and PuhTaySek. Here, I'll make it simple for you:
a) This list is about anything that remotely relates to Dream Theater. That includes what we might assume their influences may be, how we're influenced by them, music that we might like by association (i.e. "Hey - you like prog/metal - you might like this new band..."), DT boots/interviews/etc., and anything else that comes close to being DT-related.
While this may not appeal to you at first, I strongly suggest you tough it out and read the posts here. Sure, you might find more DT-related material on the newsgroups, but there are bands mentioned here that you may NEVER hear about there and might really get into - I'd never heard of Stratovarius, Royal Hunt, or The Gathering, for example, and those are three *great* bands. So just because there isn't a boatload of DT, doesn't mean that this is a bad list.
b) If you don't like it, unsubscription directions are available in the FAQ. But trust me - stick around. It's worth it.
- Nicholas
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:51:12 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Y T S E J A M Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980609215110.0069fe2c@postoffice.syspac.com>
IF you can swim through the flamewars and crap that goes along w/ an unmoderated list, this place is an EXCELLENT window to the world of progressive, epic, and usually heavy music. Because of this list, I've gotten into bands like Fates Warning, Savatage, Stratovarius, Superior, and SYMPHONY X. I've met friends, local and global, that are really great people, and I've learned a lot about music, instruments, and gear. If you don't like the Ytsejam, un sub. Thanks :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:11:53 -0500 From: "Geoff Stephens" <geoff@texas.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Complaining Message-ID: <000201bd942e$47f83fe0$d12863d1@geoff.texas.net>
> Ah, newbies. Virgin blood for the likes of Eckie, Bafu, and PuhTaySek. > Here, I'll make it simple for you:=20 >=20 > a) This list is about anything that remotely relates to Dream=20 > Theater. That > includes what we might assume their influences may be, how we're=20 > influenced > by them, music that we might like by association (i.e. "Hey - you like > prog/metal - you might like this new band..."), DT = boots/interviews/etc., > and anything else that comes close to being DT-related.=20 >=20 > While this may not appeal to you at first, I strongly suggest you = tough it > out and read the posts here. Sure, you might find more DT-related = material > on the newsgroups, but there are bands mentioned here that you may = NEVER > hear about there and might really get into - I'd never heard of > Stratovarius, Royal Hunt, or The Gathering, for example, and those are > three *great* bands. So just because there isn't a boatload of DT, = doesn't > mean that this is a bad list.=20
I've been on this list for probably six years. I do like to read about = related bands here. That really isn't the point. When I say = "unrelated" I *mean* unrelated. I'll be happy to live with the list the = way it is...forget it!
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:59:09 EDT From: Theiban@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Changes to the Ytsejam Message-ID: <d0d76cf6.357e20ae@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-10 00:35:10 EDT, you write:
<< I very much enjoy getting info about other prog bands similar to dt. = And I don't plan on unsubing from this list either but there is stuff = posted here which is absolutely unrelated to anything most of us would = consider interesting. >>
you mean like that post?
Rocky
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:12:26 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 33% DT content? Message-ID: <199806100614.XAA16605@cats.ucsc.edu>
One third of the posts are DT related? You mean we've actually got 33% s/n ratio? That's pretty damn good, if you ask me. :)
Erm, to add to the DTC, how many folks out there have enough DT clothing merchandise to (if they so chose) wear a different DT shirt everyday and still be able to do laundry once per week? (and no, wearing the same shirt without washing it doesn't count?) I've got something like 9 shirts now. (Hi, my name's Chris and I'm a ytseholic)
Dunno, seemed like a good thing to comment on at the time. :)
~Chris
__ /\ __ Chris Oates: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | ./__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:54:04 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lack of DT content, or, Just Kiss My Ass!! Message-ID: <357E2D8C.51F7@rollanet.org>
Why do so few of the subbies keep insisting that so many of us on the rest of this list don't like the varying threads, the off topic, the dreaded "NDTC?" I believe it would be common sense to realize that most of the people on this list have a great interest in other topics. Mostly because most of the people on this list do indeed have a brain, and sometimes even use it... :)
This is for the NDTC complainers:
Goddammit people! How FUCKING boring do you wish to make it for the rest of us?!! Do you have your head stuck so far up DT's collective asses that you can't think for yourselves? Do you think they sit around and talk about nothing but their fans, and the almighty Ytsejam Mailing List? FUCK NO! They have lives, they have families, and a lot of interests that include other aspects of life. They have lives, the rest of us have lives, I suggest the rest of you complainers go and find one soon, before they are taken back off the clearance rack at your local K-Mart. Could you do me a favor? Pull your heads out of your asses, and actually READ the Jam. Maybe you'll learn something. Or maybe you just might laugh your ass of every now and again.
For the rest of you Jammers:
I love being on this list, I love the content. I don't post much, because I work so much I barely have time to read the Jam every day. But keep up the great(I said GREAT) content. There is usually a damn good laugh at the end of every day here on this list waiting for me. Thank you all for that. You guys are a lot of fun. I suggest we just build a permanent "bitching Bonfire," and toss the whole lot of dumbfuck complainers into it. They obviously won't take the hint, they won't conform, they don't understand that there is a thing called life, which is usually experienced off of the interenet, and in a place called, "Outside." Maybe we should take them there.
MY 2 bucks worth
Tom Cox
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:10:51 MET-2DST From: "Patrick Sebel" <patrick@aowserver.phys.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Buying live albums and bootlegs Message-ID: <31763E54E7E@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hi everbody,
in the last days a lot have been said about bootlegs, and one issue I didn't read anywhere. In the future Rush and probably DT will bring out a live album. For example Rush will (rumours say) bring a live CD with (excerpts from) the Counterparts and Test for echo tour. For people with bootlegs, nothing new will be on these discs.Since with almost perfect bootlegs like Critical Mass and Virtual Songs, you already have everything that will be on the live album and a lot more. The question is wheter you'll buy the new album?
For me there's only one answer: YES. Besides the better sound quality, I think that when buying/collecting bootlegs, you have an obligation to buy the official releases, otherwise the band really is harmed by the bootleg industry. May be I will always play the bootlegs and almost never play a official release, but that's the extra price you have to be for being a collector.
If you don't buy an official realease because of having al the bootlegs: just think about what your favourite band really means to you!!
If evrybody just buys the official releases, I think bootlegs don't mind.
Patrick Sebel
P.S.: just counting down for the fan club gig in Rotterdam, where (I read) videos will be shot and everything will be recorded: a very special night in Holland!!!
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:28:38 +0200 From: Bungle <mrbungle@speed.eik.bme.hu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JFK Message-ID: <357E35A6.3BE2DD5F@speed.eik.bme.hu>
> > nice piece of work there, Chuck.....but can you tell us who Really shot > > JFK? > I can. JFK shot himself (anyone who saw the 7th series of Red Dwarf > should know this :).
I believe it was Elvis who shot JFK!
Cheers, Bungle
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:22:08 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Blah Message-ID: <003401bd9440$ed09c460$280d84d0@korgx3>
>Why do so few of the subbies keep insisting that so many of us on the >rest of this list don't like the varying threads, the off topic, the >dreaded "NDTC?" I believe it would be common sense to realize that most
Blah, now a topic about off-topic topics. Blah!
~KorgX3 SoYbOmB's the ax.com server. GO SATAN!
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:21:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Earendil Asmodel <asmodel@pils.kvarteret.uib.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sava or QR (Slayer!) Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980610131848.5443A-100000@pils.kvarteret.uib.no>
Hey,i couldnt even imagine we might argue on such things but ok,u asked for it :)) Dont get me wrong Dave,in my opinion Geoff Tate is the BEST singer (yeah,better than Dio,Dickinson,LaBrie,Gillan,Ozzy etcetctec) and i have fallen for his voice a long time ago..but music is not only structures and bars and technique and production (else Pearl Jam would never become a great band..they still cant play sh*t),its emotion too like you said.Well I dont really think OM's songs can compare to pieces like "Mozart and Madness","Not what we meant","Christmas Eve","One Child" and "Not what you see" (THE chilling song)..Thats just my opinion of course..I do agree Queensryche is more important that Savatage,they are better musicians (Criss Oliva excluded) and no sava album will ever reach Promised Land's production.After all the OM story doesnt sound too original,I watch 10 OM-like movies every day :) Oh btw,its not a hard rock album,its metalmetalmetal! This is taking too long but I cant help it..ok,in my opinion again,TWOM could never ever compare to DWD ..the only thing thats better in TWOM is the arrangements which are better only becoz DWD sold many copies and the company thought they'd spend more money on this..but everything thats in TWOM comes from other Sava albums.. some are edge of thorns-like while the uh multivocals (?) are obviously first met on handful of rain and DWD (Oliva and O'Neill luv Queen :) )..IMO the first album some who's never heard the 'tage is Gutter Ballet,only that..ok nuff said,stay clean Ytsejammers.
Asmodel ps :hummin' "eyes of a stranger"
--------------------------------- | Eala Earendel engla beorhtast | | ofer middangeard monnum sended. | ---------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:30:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> Subject: Camden Show - Ticket Info. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980610072947.9655A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> Any ways just was wondering if anyone knows when the Camden Aug 12th > show tix are going on sale....I originally heard this Saturday, but no > confirmation, anyone know?
As far as I know, tickets go on sale the 20th.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:13:31 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Beard Message-ID: <19980610120737.MXHD27475@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Heheh... They called like an hour after I posted. I went and picked it up, and fell asleep listening to it. DAMN! They also had Aenima used, so I could finally replace my pilfered copy at reasonable cost. And I'm happy to hear Metal Blade is picking up the other albums. Now waiting to buy them will have paid off: I'll be helping the band at their new label! Thanks Lisa Marie! Or is it Jessie?
>hey all, signed back on to the 'jam yesterday, and i noticed that it seems >that although this list is named after and supposedly dedicated to Dream >Theater, maybe 1/3 of the posts are related to the band and their >music......
So if you've been on the Jam before, why on earth are you posting this? If there is 1/3 relating to DT, that's a HIGH percentage. Especially considering the relative lack of band activity.
Mr. Stephens spake: >I don't subscribe to this list to read crap that is totally unrelated to dt.
I love pointing stuff like this out: What does your post have to do with DT? Umm.... Nothing? ;P
Stodge
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